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09:13
@Hannah The arsenic in the finished product is too low to be harmful. Also in an alloy properties change so it may no longer be poisonous to the user. To the smith on the other hand...
@Bellerophon ahh. i was just being curious.
 
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Q: What should be the tag wiki for [science-fiction]?

SecespitusYesterday I asked whether we should burninate the fiction tag on the Main site here. In that post and the comments I mentioned that I think the science tag would already be enough to show that a question is about science-fiction, as I think that every question on this site is dedicated to creatin...

 
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14:51
@Shalvenay seems like overkill on a very high level. You'd probably remove a lot of NK, SK, China, SE Asia... You could get a similar effect with a Rod From God at just orbital velocity without the possibly world ending effects.
 
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15:58
@Shalvenay There was a sci-fi story that basically postulated that the only safe, sane, action for an intelligent species to do after discovering evidence of life on a planet around another star is to immediately launch an asteroid or similar mass on a collision course towards that planet with rocket engines attached, so it accelerates towards .9c or higher by impact. Thereby destroying that planet before the aliens can do the same to you.
@CM_Dayton The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu?
16:17
In case that's not the one, the basic idea is that each civilization is like a hunter in a dark forest. You know that there are other hunters out there, and you know that at least some of them could be hostile. If you happen to run into one, there is a non zero chance that they will try to kill you. In this scenario, a purely logical hunter will shoot first, before the other hunter can shoot you.
The only way that you can safely try to peacefully approach another hunter is if you do it from a position of overwhelming power, to the point where the other can't possibly hurt you.
@AndyD273 I don't think my knowledge of it comes from there; it was in the page 1 text of another novel that I never finished, but that author may have been referencing that? Too many years between then and now...
Ah, The Dark Forest came out in the last couple years, so probably not that one, but I think the concept is much older.
Ah. I see. No, I don't remember the exact quote, but it was in a novel from the 1970s that I picked up in the 1990s.
It always seemed like a very elegant 1st strike option. Far more efficient and cheaper than a Death Star or other super-weapons.
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Q: Dark Forest Postulate used to explain the fermi paradox?

user3591466This is the founding premise of science fiction "The Three Body Problem" It starts with two axioms Survival is the most important goal of every civilization Every civilization will continue to expand and grow , but resource in the universe is limited. With two assumption Suspicion Chain ...

@CM_Dayton I kind of favor the kinetic kill option (IE, rods from god) for purely local disputes. All the power of a nuke with none of the radiation...
@CM_Dayton The only real problem with this is the fuel needed to get it up to speed... Maybe ion thrusters or laser accelerated sails could do it eventually, but it would take so long to get to the destination that they'd have plenty of time to first strike you back.
Yeah. Winning your wars via nuclear attack just takes all the fun out of it. You can't ride through your vanquished enemy's fertile farmlands, gloating from the curtained litter at their despair when radiation is involved.
@AndyD273 it certainly requires something beyond our current technology level. Chemical thrusters just aren't fast enough.
16:28
@CM_Dayton Darn Gandhi and his itchy nuke trigger finger...
Time to start the genetic modifications to make radiation-resistant humans.
The eventual outcome of that line of thinking
The Tick really WAS a useful concept?!?!?
@CM_Dayton Supposed to be a human cockroach...
The Tick is blue
16:44
well, genetic manipulation isn't an exact science...
 
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Q: Clarification about why question was put on hold

JBHI was surprised this afternoon to discover my question had been put on hold for being "too broad," despite positive receiption of the question and some surprisingly good answers. Considering broad — even sweeping — questions are asked regularly (even religiously) on this site (such as this one),...

18:49
Speaking of things that aren't an exact science... Physics edition:
@AndyD273 This is essentially a pop-sci explanation of a relatively complicated explanation of what an electron actually is
(or at least, as far as we know what it actually is)
So do you like the idea that negative matter is just normal matter moving backward in time that Richard Feynman proposed? It would kind of explain why they cancel each other out. Like two equal opposite waves meeting.
@AndyD273 Yes, very much so - it's called the Feynman-Stueckelberg interpretation of an antiparticle - there is the issue that we have yet to properly observe gravitational interactions of antimatter, which will probably(?) break this CPT symmetry
@Mithrandir24601 So if antimatter is traveling back in time somehow, I wonder if there is any way the effect could be harnessed...
(I've just got to the end of the video and the part about whether it's a meaningful statement is a big part of the reason that it's a 'pop-sci explanation')
@AndyD273 so the way that CPT symmetry works is that if we have a particle with a charge and parity, then make it go back in time, what we observe is that the particle is travelling forward in time, only with one of the charge or parity 'flipped' (i.e. CPT symmetry is conserved, so if it is 'T-antisymmetric, then it must be 'CP-antisymmetric' (ignoring gravity, because we don't have a verified quantum theory of gravity))
Of course, it could be T-symmetric, in which case, we observe it going forward in time, only with the same charge and parity or both charge and parity 'flipped'
(although I'm trying to think if it's physically possible to be T-symmetric. I really ought to know this, but my mind clearly isn't working properly right now :P )
19:25
Erm... Is it just me or is this question off topic - worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/q/88663/19951 - as it's set in this world, not about building a world?
@Mithrandir24601 It's currently too broad.
it's also a highly opinionated question. "would it work?" Well, Rule 34 tells us that yes, it in fact WOULD work, for some subset of people...
@Secespitus That's true...
And it reminds me of a certain user from the past, though his writing is clearly better...
So last week I read "Spooky Action at a Distance" by George Musser, and the whole history about scientists going back and forth about locality vs non-locality was pretty interesting. Got a little lost when it tried to explain quantum field theory, but I'll probably go back and reread that part.
19:31
@Mithrandir24601 Does WB have a policy on sex-related questions?
@CM_Dayton To my knowledge, the consensus on meta is that it's allowed: worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2700/19951
@AndyD273 Yeah, it is interesting - QFT is hard. If you want to understand QFT, you have to put the work and effort in. There are no shortcuts
cool.
@CM_Dayton If you word it like an adult it's a normal question like every other one.
Yeah, AFAIK any question is allowed so long as it follows the be nice policy, and even that could stretch a little in the right context
alright. No complaints, I was just curious.
19:52
@Mithrandir24601 So, since you seem to have at least a bit of a physics background... local or non-local?
@AndyD273 I'm actually doing a PhD (about to start research in about a month and a half) and the topic will be on simulating (C)PT symmetric Hamiltonians on a quantum chip :P Orthogonal interpretations, therefore use whichever makes life easier, as both are equally valid :P (although combining non-locality with relativity is... Difficult)
@Mithrandir24601 That's what I gather.
20:09
It's a bit odd, as interpretations that are used in every-day life (i.e. local) have the feeling of 'following the letter, not the spirit' of locality, yet non-local theories can often be very, very messy, even though they're easier to talk about using classical physics terms, like 'trajectory'
@Mithrandir24601 Yeah, though some of the explanations I've read to try to explain how non local effects like entanglement are actually local seem pretty weak...
Also, it's probably just me, but the whole frame of reference thing seems really centrist (maybe not the right term. Like how people used to think the sun orbited the earth).
@AndyD273 It is local, but fundamentally by a technical, mathematical argument. There are a couple of physical arguments, which usually involve having to send a classical signal or that you're storing information (like having a sealed envelope), but it's never really massively satisfactory
@AndyD273 the frame of reference is supposed to be the exact opposite of centrist :P The point is that there is no frame of reference and something is only moving relative to some other thing
20:30
...I wish I could even begin to intelligently contribute to this conversation. :)
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@CM_Dayton Yeah this chat changes from dragons and cockroach costumes to quantum mechanics on a regular basis.
:)
Apropo of nothing, but had to clean out the desk of a fired co-worker today. He had a drawer full of Taco Bell hot sauce. Like dozens of packets. What does it mean?!? I suspect some sort of Call of Cthulhu style plot...
The reason I think it sounds centrist is because it seems to say perception of an event is valid from my perspective, irregardless of facts. On example was a man throws a baseball at a train faster than the speed of light. The man sees the ball go in the back of the train, down the cars, and through the front of the train.
Meanwhile another man is sitting at the front of the train. Because of the speed of light, he sees the ball come from the front of the train, travel toward the back, and then into the pitchers hand.
Supposedly they are both right.
If you are on a train moving at 0.99999c and you throw a baseball towards front of that train, could that baseball exceed the speed of light, relative to the someone outside the train?
@CM_Dayton I think he was ... fired ;)
20:34
@AndyD273 Do you mean at almost the speed of light?
The second mans point of view just seems like an illusion.
@CM_Dayton Nope
@Secespitus :-P
Maybe he just likes to collect stuff
he was a packrat. Seems legit.
20:35
@Mithrandir24601 No, FTL, otherwise the light from the pitcher throwing the ball would reach the rider before the ball did
@CM_Dayton Essentially, see this
Some people collect beercaps, he collected hot sauce
Totally normal :D
Or maybe it was at the speed of light
I read it a little while ago
Either way, I don't see how the riders frame of reference isn't just an illusion of how events happened for real.
@AndyD273 You can't just 'travel faster than light'...
It's my story dangit!
The pitcher also couldn't throw it at the speed of light either.
20:37
No one ever talks about travelling at the speed of dark. I'm just saying.
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What actually happens to tachyons is that they decay...
@CM_Dayton Now the fun starts :P
@CM_Dayton "Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it."
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@AndyD273 That sounds like a Terry Pratchett quote
@Mithrandir24601 It is
20:40
Batman only travels at the speed of dark.
Oh. yes. We all know that you can't go faster than light speed, so we must instead go somewhere where that rule doesn't apply. Somewhere... else... the old "hyperspace jump" theory. But what no one admits is that hyperspace isn't really just some random dimension. Nope. It's where the Great Old Ones live. Try to take a shortcut and BAM there's Cthulhu. Ships don't get lost in hyperspace. They get consumed.
@Mithrandir24601 Ok, so instead of FTL, say the baseball is traveling through the train at C, because magic. Also because magic the train doesn't explode as air molecules experience fusion as the ball runs into them.
@AndyD273 Therefore the baseball is massless :P
Sure
Why not
Is the riders frame of reference right? (that the ball traveled from front to back and into the pitchers hand)
This is a very, very simple experiment. Take a handheld laser (that's safe to use in public, if such a laser exists) and work away :)
20:44
And we've circled back to what-if.xkcd.com/1
@AndyD273 Both frames of reference are right - both see the 'baseball' travel at c - what happens is that the two people travel through time at different rates
@CM_Dayton That's why it has to be a magic baseball.
@Mithrandir24601 They both see what they see, but how is the riders perception not just an illusion?
What that what-if fails to account for is that the sudden acceleration from 0 to 0.9c would probably involve sufficient G forces to atomize the ball before it ever left the pitchers hand anyway.
@AndyD273 He actually ages at a different rate
@Mithrandir24601 The rider isn't traveling at C, just the ball.
20:49
@Mithrandir24601 mad science. Lasers. Experiments. What's not to love!?
From the balls frame of reference, it leaves the pitchers hand, and because of time dilation instantly plows into a mountain 40 miles away, with an impression of train in the middle.
@AndyD273 He still ages at a different rate to the guy on the train
@CM_Dayton laser alignment
Lasers are Lawful Neutral alignment. Lawful because they're perfectly coherent. Neutral because they have no time for your good vs evil crap.
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@AndyD273 Pretty much...
@Mithrandir24601 The relativistic difference between the guy standing on the surface of a rotating planet, around a star, which is itself orbiting around the galactic core, vs a guy traveling on a train at 50mph, on a rotating planet, orbiting a star, which is orbiting the galactic center, isn't enough to have any meaningful effect on how quickly each of them ages.
20:54
@AndyD273 It's not meaningful, but it's still there
plus universal expansion. That's another axis of observation.
@CM_Dayton haha! Universal expansion is actually space itself expanding at each point, outside of galaxies
oh. I thought the universe was travelling outwards from the big bang, not expanding like a loaf of bread cooking. Sigh. Discover channel has failed me again. I'm not saying it was aliens.... But it was aliens...
@CM_Dayton plus our movement compared to other galaxies in our local cluster, and on and on. Technically, I don't know if universal expansion counts as movement. Especially because galaxies are moving away from each other faster than the speed of light, so they can't actually be moving.
@Mithrandir24601 So what does that have to do with the frame of reference of the man riding on the train seeing the ball go from front to back, instead of back to front like the pitcher sees? How is the man on the trains perception of the ball not a trick of the (speed of) light?
@AndyD273 He doesn't see it travel in reverse though...
21:02
I gotta go get the kids
@AndyD273 You're putting them on a light speed train? With a baseball.
 
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I just found an Alternate History that might be worth a read to those who like AH. It's called God is a Frenchman It's a pretty detailed read.

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