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8:04 AM
Hi all
 
hi yourself
 
@bilbo_pingouin That sounds vaguely insulting.
@bilbo_pingouin Nice take on the name question.
 
@overactor that was not the intent. I have read similar answers somewhere, or at least I think so... I'm doubting now ^^"
@overactor thanks :) I was happy with my inspiration
 
I think it's likely a normal thing to say, English is not my first language, so I don't have a good feel for these things
I'm a bit embarassed to be the second highest voted answer on that question.
 
@overactor same here
 
8:11 AM
A few of the newer answers are better by quite a margin
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Q: Is it appropriate to use "Hey yourself"?

SingerOfTheFallI've heard this phrase in a couple of movies, it was being used like this: -Hey, John! -Well, hey yourself, Mike! Sounds pretty simple, but my question is about how appropriate is it to say that in a conversation. It sounds a little "offensive" to me, and in the movies it was being use...

I think it depends largely on tone.
My reading of it might be influenced by my familiarity with a certain phrase that goes: go ... yourself.
 
@overactor yes that's a flaw in the concept. Earlier answers get voted before others can appear. And since most people do not read much more than 2-3 answers, the highest voted tend to distance themselves from the later ones
 
@bilbo_pingouin I still think we need to have some sort of best-sorting as a default like reddit does.
 
it is not always the case, but high voted answers are often the first ones. It is up to the OP not to follown only the votes. And bounties or advertisment on chat might be good ways to work on that as well
 
@bilbo_pingouin That's true, but those seem like kludges to me
 
well the best way would be to sort the answers randomly, so that people do not amplify the effect
but on the other hand, people want to know the best answer, so you want to see the higest voted even if one has be selected as correct
so for user they should have a random order by default and for the visitors a ranked one... that would be pretty weird
 
8:20 AM
@bilbo_pingouin The sorting reddit uses actually makes sense
It projects how many votes a comment will get based on how quickly it's voted on.
On problem is that it needs downvotes to work with though, and a lot of SE are rather low on downvoting
@bilbo_pingouin I don't really like that either
 
I was reading your reddit article. With a higher rate of up/down votes, it is clearly something you could use. Even if you could determine if a particular answer was read, you could calculate the number of upvotes per view for each answer. The problem is that out of 10 people getting on HDE's post right now, I don't think 3 will actually read my answer (just as illustration).
so random ordering is the only way to make sure that more recent posts gets read.
But well this is the world in which we live in, we have to deal with the flaws, and as OP make sure we do pick the best answer
 
Yeah, it's also less bad of a situation than reddit, where ideally every post has hundreds if not tjousands of comments.
 
8:39 AM
well the "cost" of an answer is higher that the cost of a comment on reddit. You have to actually answer the question being asked, and with moderators or moderators powers, it is actually enforced
so a few witty comments in the comments might appear but as answers, they have to follow some expected standard or risk being deleted.
and downvoting is considered somewhat rude (due to the loss of reputation)
 
@bilbo_pingouin don't forget that the downvoter also loses rep
or is that only for questions?
That's only for questions, right?
 
isn't it only for answers? -1 for downvoter and -2 for answerer?
 
8:54 AM
@bilbo_pingouin ah yes
 
9:10 AM
@TimB or @MichaelKjörling can you change the into on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/32269/… ?
 
9:33 AM
Done
 
 
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10:45 AM
@DaaaahWhoosh, you could consider adding a reference to the Medici to complete your answer on my Artist' country question.
 
11:03 AM
@TimB can you pull the author of this question into chat, I think it might help clear up what he's looking for.
 
@overactor To be honest his question isn't clear. But as I understand it, the OP simply does not understand the nature of light. At all. I'm pretty sure our friends on physics.SE won't like that question much neither.
 
@bilbo_pingouin Do you think he's just trying to ask how light travels?
 
I think so...
I guess that he read about FTL travel, but is wondering how light actually travel... I might be wrong though.
 
11:53 AM
@overactor : That's how I read the question. If he isn't asking how light works then as far as I can see he's asking how his fictional universe works without including any other information....
 
12:04 PM
I don't think pulling him into chat will help
For 1 thing he has insufficient rep to chat
the comments have told him what he needs to do "read up on what light is, come back with a coherent question"
 
@TimB I thought mods could pull anyone into chat?
 
Sure, doesn't mean they can talk though
pulling them into a chat room doesn't give them extra privs there, just lets them read it
 
@TimB oh, I didn't know that
makes sense
I'd guess that this user won't make it back to the SE network any time soon.
 
maybe, maybe not
they got pointed to helpful resources. it's in their hands now
 
 
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2:19 PM
@bilbo_pingouin It is done. And thanks for the suggestion, it's always nice to have some actual historical evidence to back up my claims.
 
@DaaaahWhoosh it is. It always gives more credibility. And furthermore, it shows that part of the most voted answer aren't correct... and back to what we were saying earlier with overactor, a pity that people do not scroll down to the latest answers
 
Yeah, it's sad that new answers seldom see the light of day. That's part of the reason I like to protect popular questions, after a while there's just no point answering
o_o I just saw how many upvotes the top-voted answer on that question got... I didn't realize I was that late
 
2:47 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh well there's a big gap between the first and the second. You were late, but it started to get some momentum pretty late as well.
And interestingly, when Michael changed the title the pace slowed. I haven't check the exact stats, so it could be a pure coincidence.
Andrei's answer is so long that most vistors don't go past the first answer ;-)
 
Yeah, sometimes when I see a really long answer I just upvote it and run away. One of my less useful habits
 
yes but that only work if you're one of the first answer... past the first one, people would simply skip over
 
3:27 PM
Just looked, it appears we have 999 tagged questions.
 
I'd think about coming up with the 1000th, but I've not had much luck with that tag in the past
 
4:06 PM
Anyone have any mainframe/Endevor experience?
 
Thank heavens no.
 
lol
I am considering learning it because it could become very lucrative...all the old school mainframers are...well old.
I just have no idea what i would be getting myself into.
 
I don't either. But it has NO appeal for me! ;)
 
@bowlturner Its not really something I am excited about but I bet with a little experience you could easily pull in 250.00 and hour.
 
hmm. don't tempt me SATAN!
 
4:11 PM
I thought mainframes were just made up for movies
 
come to the dark side
@DaaaahWhoosh Mainframes are still really common in the financial, insurance and medical worlds actually.
probably elsewhere as well...
 
Yes they are. still. and for a while yet. That is also where COBAL is still strong
I was just looking at me SO profile. so sad. highest tag is only 31.
 
I worked for First Data for a year or so and they are heavily dependent on mainframe for transaction processing (they process more transactions than any other company on the globe).
MF isn't going anywhere...
MF is actually better at certain things than distributed...
 
Yep
 
So you see my logic...may be worth learning, in the next 5 years companies are going to be desperate for mainframe programmers and admins.
i just have no idea where to start...
 
4:20 PM
I see it. Just don't want to step in it myself! ;)
 
It is a big steaming pile of...code
 
@James If it was easy, they wouldn't be getting so desperate
 
@DaaaahWhoosh for sure
 
A lot of Mainframe code was written back when software engineering was "does it work?" spaghetti code from hell.
When "Go To" was king!
 
shudder
actually, for 250 an hour, I would love to look through that kind of code
'Yeah, boss, this is really messy, I'm gonna be working on this for the next couple years at least'
 
5:02 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh See its totally brilliant.
 
@James as long as it doesn't turn you to drink and beat your family...
Though you do have blacksmithing to work those frustrations out on...
 
 
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6:09 PM
I seem to be alone in here again, but I have a question I may want to ask, but I might be having an XY problem and I'd like some feedback.
basically, the more I learn about lasers, the more I realize they really don't like humans to be able to see. So I want to ask a question about how people could protect themselves in a war with commonplace anti-eye-lasers
but I may first want to ask what kinds of weapons people might carry in order to permanently blind the enemy
but then I realize I don't understand why we wouldn't already have these weapons, as I'm sure blinding the enemy is way more damaging than just killing them
I know there's rules about it, but I don't really believe anyone actually obeys most rules when at war, especially when they're losing
 
6:26 PM
@bowlturner Its amazing how much better I feel after beating glowing hot steel with a 3.5 lb hammer for a couple hours...
@DaaaahWhoosh I actually don't know of any conventions specifically restricting the use of lasers, weapons conventions tend to be reactive and as we haven't seen the use of lasers on the battlefield beyond use in targeting for air/artillery strikes I doubt any are in place now.
 
@James So I guess I have two questions I should ask before getting to the one I want to ask?
 
What would those be?
 
why haven't anti-eye weapons been used, and what would they be like
 
ah, that makes sense
what kind of scenario are we talking about? Conventional warfare? Modern asymmetric warfare?
 
the first one is just about the real world (so maybe off-topic for WB?), as for the second, I guess asymmetric would be interesting, though I could ask a follow-up about conventional if necessary
 
6:33 PM
I would probably mention in any answer that using lasers to blind would potentially be useful in conventional warfare where you have masses of troops but it would be much harder to use on special ops forces and in urban combat.
 
yeah, I guess that makes sense. Maybe I'll just ask about conventional warfare then, and see if anything could translate to asymmetrical
 
seems like a good place to start at least
 
Yeah, but I still should get out of the way figuring out why no one uses these things already
do you think such a question would be off-topic? I've asked questions in the past that were closed because they were about the real world
 
I think if you tag it near future and place it in the frame of a new use of tech, or slight advancement of tech it would fit.
 
hmm... you may be right
I'm probably going to think about this some more, but probably by tomorrow I'll post it
 
6:40 PM
look forward to it.
 
which reminds me, did that question about killing all yeast ever get asked?
 
I must have missed that conversation lol
 
yeah, Wingman was going to ask how society would react if yeast stopped working
 
That is a strange thing to think about...I mean the impacts to beer alone... shudder
 
yeah... it's based on bowlturner's comment that most questions about removing all of something from Earth end up with everyone dying
it's that one that's starred
 
6:46 PM
Yeah I wasn't around for that one...though the starred comment made me laugh
 
it is the truth, we humans are fickle creatures
I'd really like to know what would happen if we couldn't make more alcohol
 
@DaaaahWhoosh real lasers make poor weapons for all kinds of reasons, in particular the power demands. Cool sight regarding safety specifics of laser pointers (pangolin.com/faa/laser-pointer_distance_table.htm). However, defeating a laser is actually really easy. You only need a mirror.
Thus I would would go with one of my fav real world science devices, a Feraday isolator en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_isolator
 
@AtlLED I agree laser weapons are inefficient, but you don't need much to blind people. As for mirrors or isolators, they may be able to stop lasers, but they also stop all other forms of visible light, so they're not too useful if you still want to see
 
@DaaaahWhoosh People would find something else to numb their perception of how crappy their reality is.
 
They can actually be tuned to wavelengths
so not all visible light. Also modern night vision goggles handle over intensity pretty well
they just tune down ampflication
we have some that when working with surgical lasers respond in pretty close to real time that go from enhancing to dampening light levels
 
7:03 PM
I got my Yearling badge today... so that's kinda cool
 
Congrats
 
@AndyD273 I got mine a week or two ago, it's a good feeling
The Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons, Protocol IV of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, was issued by the United Nations on 13 October 1995. It came into force on 30 July 1998. As of May 2015, the protocol had been agreed to by 105 states. == History == The Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons and three annexed protocols were adopted on 10 October 1980 and opened for signature on 10 April 1981. In 1986, Sweden and Switzerland pushed for the Blinding Laser Protocol. During 1989–91, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) held four international meeting...
I think this is the thing I was thinking of, seems like people were worried about it
 
Oh I didn't mean to say you can't do it
just that they're not very efficient
 
no, I know, but James was saying he didn't know of any rules against using them when I suggested that I thought there were
 
@DaaaahWhoosh I was just catching up on stuff. I was going to point out I thought someone already had stuff against blinding troops with lasers or other things.
 
7:18 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh Seems you could get around it by just advertise it as a tire popping laser, and not use the word blinding anywhere in any publication or description. "Blinding can't be a feature"
 
@bowlturner Yep, as you can now see (lol), that is the case. So now I'm wondering if the only reason we're not blinding terrorists is because it's against the law
but that also raises the question why they're not blinding us
 
I suspect if we could do it without getting caught, we probably would. But you need a reasonable explanation for how these injuries happened. (and why not just kill them?)
 
You don't want to kill them, if they're dead no one has to spend time and money keeping them alive
 
Why would they blind you, when they can blow you up? :)
 
I might be more afraid of getting permanently blinded than getting killed. A bunch of dead bodies is one thing, but lines of soldiers holding onto each other's shoulders because no one can see is absolutely terrifying
plus, if it's easier to blind someone than to kill someone, you might as well
 
7:24 PM
I wonder if you could create a laser that would reliably cause temporary blindness, that would recover after a certain amount of time. That would actually be allowed by this protocol.
 
Yes. But even polarized sunglasses could do a lot to protect your eyes. But yes, when I was in the military, wounding an enemy soldier was considered even better, since it required 2-4 others to help him, reducing the numbers coming at you by much more than 1
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Wow...that's older than I am...
@bowlturner You think a question about medieval supply chains for blacksmiths would be OT around here or would people try to shoo me off to history?
 
@AndyD273 I think that's the basic concept behind flashbangs
 
@James I think it really depends on how you present it. Shouldn't be too hard. I think it could be a very good question.
Yes flashbangs are to overload your senses and disorient you severely.
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Right, but if you had the flash part that would work at range, knock out vision for a couple days
 
7:29 PM
@AndyD273 that would be like a millionwatt spot light. You can temporarily blind people with very bright light. Though to do it for a couple days vs. minutes or hours would be a fine line from temporary to permanent.
 
@bowlturner "Oops, our long-term blindness weapon accidentally permanently blinded the enemy! I guess we should be more careful next time!"
 
7:59 PM
@bowlturner I was thinking a little more focused than a spotlight, over a longer distance maybe. An hour might be enough to convince someone they should stop fighting. A minute could be enough, if you target the driver...
So I finally got around to clicking on the Balloon-whales tag up there, and was disappointed to find that it doesn't exist as a real tag...
Makes me want to come up with a question that would force me to make a balloon-whales tag.
@bowlturner Actually, that reminds me of a Tom Clancy story where a super bright flashlight is used to knock people unconscious. I think they might use it to crash a landing airplane too...
 
I will make that a challenge.
about the balloonwhale question
I read a book where someone had a light that was so bright it temporarily blinded people even with their eyes closed
 
8:14 PM
@bowlturner Hehe. So far all I've gotten is "How to explain extremely large flying mammals?" but I'm pretty sure that would be to broad
 
'yep
 
How much helium would a whale need to be able to fly?
or maybe hydrogen, hydrogen is better
then ask if a whale could naturally produce that much hydrogen
then ask if a whale could evolve to survive out of water, and eat birds
then ask if there would be any benefit for a whale to take to the skies
 
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Q: "Pleasantries" at the start of a question?

SimonTI haven't been on Worldbuilding much, but I know that on Stack Overflow we're generally against people putting useless text like "Hi, I'm new but I hope you can answer my question. I love this community and I've been here for a long time but today is my first post, thanks". This question on Wor...

 
then what weapons would you use for balloon whale fights
then what natural predators would balloon whales have, other than humans
that's six question right there
 
Ok, So a Dwarf Sperm Whale weighs 550lb. Hydrogen has a lifting capacity of 68lb per 1000 cubic feet. So you'd need a bit over 8000 cubic feet of hydrogen to lift a Dwarf Sperm Whale
Hmm, if a whale could evolve to a life in the air... Hollow bones. No blubber reserves... maybe replace them with gas bags. Algae bio-reactor to make the hydrogen maybe. Larger fins to maneuver in the air.
 
8:38 PM
save it for the challenge, this is good material
 
On a side note, TIL that Japan successfully bombed Detroit in WW2 by using balloons to carry the payload across the Pacific and a sand timer to trigger the release.
A fire balloon (風船爆弾, fūsen bakudan, lit. "balloon bomb"), or Fu-Go (ふ号[兵器], fugō [heiki], lit. "Code Fu [Weapon]"), was a weapon launched by Japan during World War II. A hydrogen balloon with a load varying from a 15 kg (33 lb) antipersonnel bomb to one 12-kilogram (26 lb) incendiary bomb and four 5 kg (11 lb) incendiary devices attached, it was designed as a cheap weapon intended to make use of the jet stream over the Pacific Ocean and drop bombs on American and Canadian cities, forests, and farmland. The Japanese fire balloon was the first ever weapon possessing intercontinental range (the second...
 
I heard about them finding some in Washington State, didn't know any made it that far inland
 
That appears to be the furthest east they got. Most are west coast
Well, not most I guess...
 
9:26 PM
does anyone have the capability to explain to me the implications of light having infinite rapidity?
 
@DaaaahWhoosh So, a world where $c=\infty$?
 
I don't think the chat is properly translating that
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Chat MathJax thingy needed: math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html. Sorry about that.
 
oh, that's cool
but anyway, no, c = c
but light has no maximum rapidity; that's apparently how our universe is, but I don't know what it means
 
I meant, is the speed of light infinite? Is that what you mean by "infinite rapidity"?
In your universe, that is, not ours.
 
9:31 PM
no, see, that's what I'm saying, speed and rapidity are apparently different
In relativity, rapidity is an alternative to speed as a measure of rate of motion. On parallel velocities (say, in one-dimensional space) rapidities are simply additive, unlike speeds at relativistic velocities. For low speeds, rapidity and speed are proportional, but for high speeds, rapidity takes a larger value. The rapidity of light is infinite. Using the inverse hyperbolic function artanh, the rapidity w corresponding to velocity v is w = artanh(v / c). For low speeds, w is approximately v / c. The speed of light c being finite, any velocity v is constrained to the interval −c < v < c and...
 
That's . . . weird. I haven't heard of "rapidity".
 
@HDE226868 That's why I'm asking, it's foreign to me too
I assume it's just one of those things that they show you after you tackle the really scary physics, but since I'm nowhere near that level I thought I'd see if someone else could give me the five-year-old's version
 
Okay, so we have$$\text{tanh}(w_l)=\frac{v_l}{c}$$$$\lim_{w\to\infty}(\text{tanh}(w_l))=1\to v_l=c$$no matter what $c$ is. So in our universe, $c$ is fixed, so $$w_l\to\infty$$always.
 
I might be wrong, but I think rapidity is a mathematical tool invented to make speed follow the more intuitive laws of additivity
 
^ Makes sense.
 
9:43 PM
so... two things moving away from each other at the speed of light have infinite rapidity?
meh... I'm forgetting all my maths...
 
@DaaaahWhoosh yes because 2*infinity = infinity
 
I'm pretty sure I still don't understand, but I think I know enough to be disappointed
for a while, I entertained the possibility of FTL travel...
 
one thing that we tend to forget is that c is the speed of light in vacuum... it is possible to travel faster than light... in another medium
for example salted water
well possible, I'm of course referring to subatomic particles
;)
 
well there's a question- do we actually know that any light has actually traveled the speed of light?
kinda like absolute zero, is it just something that we know exists, but can never achieve because there's stuff in the way?
is it conceivable to say that even light does not achieve true light speed, but instead gets really really close to it?
 
hard to get a vaccum good enough... and any way, hard to measure well enough ;)
 
9:53 PM
yeah, now I'm interested, I won't mind as much that FTL travel is impossible if light can't even travel at lightspeed
 
yes and no. Determining and "measuring" the speed of light (c) isn't done by actually measuring the speed of light
so we're pretty confident about the value of c down to too many decimals...
but whether the light actually ever travel to that speed is a question of the medium in which it goes
basically since we can't travel faster than c, you could try to slow down the light to actually be "FTL"
just have to find a medium in which a big bunch of atoms can travel faster than an electromagnetic radiation...
that's not going to be easy to find in the supermarket of the neighbourhood
 
"Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it."
 
@bowlturner what is that from, and where do I buy it?
 
Terry Pratchett.
Not sure which book
Reaperman
 
well, discworld is a good place to travel FTL... since the light is slowed down by the magical field of the world ;)
 
10:01 PM
Yes, I wanted to find the quote about how light is like a wave filling the disc world up from the bottom or what ever
 
I have only read the firsts of the DW books, but in one of them they do travel faster than dawn on a broom
 
yes, that was a good one.
 
so far I'm at the 6th, I think, even if I read most of the 7th, they are all quite good. Even if I sometimes feel sorry for some of the characters
 
I've made through the 12th. I've enjoyed them all so far.
I think Guards! Guards! is one of my favorite so far (#8)
 
I'll tell you when I get there :)
 
10:09 PM
I await your conclusion!
 
10:27 PM
Hey @HDE226868, you around?
 
@MonicaCellio Indeed.
What do you need?
 
@HDE226868 I wanted to chat with you a little about a Mythology.SE thing -- not secret or anything, but I don't want to clutter up this room and I feel funny barging into the site's room when I've never been active there. Willing to get a room?
 
@MonicaCellio Sure. I can set one up there now.
 
@HDE226868 ok, just ping me when you're set up. Thanks.
 

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