The Frying Pan

Jolenealaska

00:34

Anyone here?

rfusca

@Jolenealaska hey

Jefromi

Kinda!

Jolenealaska

I need someone who DOESN'T have an ATK subscription.

Jefromi

Logging out is not sufficient?

Jolenealaska

Just to check if a link is paywalled

Jefromi

00:38

use an incognito window, ctrl-shift-n in chrome

Jolenealaska

I always get automatically logged beck in

OK, I can do that. Thanks.

Jefromi

If they automatically log you in there, then they're doing some crazy stuff.

Jolenealaska

The incognito worked.

Intentionally logging out probably would have worked to, I thought I had logged out before and was automatically logged back in, but I'm probably remembering it goofy. It wouldn't be the first time.

Jefromi

It logs me out spontaneously all the time, so... surprised your problem is the reverse.

Jolenealaska

This is funny:

amazon.com/Spectrum-Naturals-Refined-Sesame-Oil/dp/B00028MI50/…

The label says unrefined sesame oil.

Jefromi

00:50

Yeah, was noticing that, and also wondering why you would want refined sesame oil.

Jolenealaska

I've never had it, it is supposed to be very neutral, with a high smoke point.

I want to experiment with the smoke points of different toasted sesame oils, but that is going to be a bit spendy.

Jefromi

Aren't there cheaper sources of neutral oil, though?

Jolenealaska

Oh I'm sure.

I changed the link to untoasted sesame oil to one not so flaky.

Avocado oil is supposed to be the highest smoke point of all, but the price of that stuff is ridiculous.

setek

04:58

Can somebody explain what @Jefromi 's comment "Cookies! (There are hats; I'm allowed to have fun now, right?)" means? I feel like there's some kind of special joke going on in the comments of cooking.stackexchange.com/q/51651/24248 ...

Jefromi

06:06

@setek "What should I look for in a cookie jar?"

And the hat bit is partially to make the comment 15 characters and partially because of the frequent complaint about mods being no fun.

setek

@Jefromi Ohhhhhhhh hahahaha I get it now :) The hats bit threw me :) Thanks!

ElendilTheTall

09:25

@Jolenealaska this offends me deeply

Jolenealaska

13:09

@ElendilTheTall Good Morning!

ElendilTheTall

13:53

@Jolenealaska hey hon

Jolenealaska

Hi there! I'm wrapping up an answer, then I'll be back with my morning coffee.

ElendilTheTall

okey dokey

Jolenealaska

14:11

I'm back!

I went bed early last night, slept through, and am pretty alert this morning. YAY! How are you this fine day?

ElendilTheTall

not bad, not bad

xmas can't come soon enough

office is v. quiet, which means the days are ddddrrrraaaaaagggggiiiiinnnnnggggg

Jolenealaska

So that is over?

rfusca

good morning all

Jolenealaska

Good Morning @rfusca

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska ?

@rfusca mornin'

rfusca

14:16

made a big pot of chili last night

mostly kenji's chili recipe

Jolenealaska

I get sick of the crowds at stores and ubiquitous Christmas music. I'm always glad when it is over.

rfusca

chili is so much easier in the oven - no stiring constantly to prevent burning

Jolenealaska

Although I catch myself singing Falalalala lala la la.

ElendilTheTall

constantly?

I stir mine once an hour if that

rfusca

ya, thats too much lol

i just pop it in the oven overnight

Jolenealaska

14:18

I've never done chili in the oven, makes sense.

ElendilTheTall

he has an oven 'baked' red sauce which is awesome

rfusca

yes, it is awesome

ElendilTheTall

great depth

and fish sauce

who'da thunk it?

rfusca

the chili has sardines in it

ElendilTheTall

interesting

for umami?

Jolenealaska

14:19

well I never

rfusca

yup

ElendilTheTall

I've used anchovies for that purpose

in meat sauce

and with lamb

rfusca

my bad, i meant anchovies

fuzzy brain this morning

Jolenealaska

The only I can think of that I have ever used anchovies for is Puttanesca. I don't think I've ever touched a sardine.

ElendilTheTall

me either

Jolenealaska

14:22

Aah, been there!

ElendilTheTall

Elendil's First Law and all that

@rfusca how goes the photography?

getting much done for yourself these days or is it all church stuff?

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall little time in general for myself

some family pics I still need to process

just very little time :?

:/

ElendilTheTall

yup

I hear that

I am let out about 4 times a year to indulge myself

otherwise it's snatching the odd few shots here and there

I have a sweet new lens - Sigma 18-35 1.8

the quality is stupid

like a bag of primes

between that and a battery grip for my D7000 I at least look like a total pro

@Jolenealaska sous vided anything new?

rfusca

niiiice

ElendilTheTall

I agonised over what lens to get

rfusca

14:28

i still enjoy the portrait length best. my tiny pentax 70mm pretty much lives on camera

Jolenealaska

Nope. I am going to break out my Walmart credit card today, cause I really need some groceries even thought I am completely broke. I'll be looking for something good to sous-vide.

ElendilTheTall

I was in the market for a standard zoom - Nikon's 17-55 is big, indestructible, decent IQ but super expensive even second hand. Sigma and Tamron's are about equal but build quality possibly an issue.

rfusca

yup

ElendilTheTall

Then someone suggested the 18-35. New lens, excellent build quality, ridiculous IQ, and 400 quid mint condition second hand. Sold!

rfusca

wow, nice

i would love, love, LOVE to shoot more but I just don't have time

ElendilTheTall

14:30

I find I don't really use portrait lengths much. I just used a 35mm 1.8 prime for about 2 years and it did the lot, I just missed the wider end for landscapes

rfusca

Ya, I just don't like shooting landscapes as much

ElendilTheTall

so 18-35 is fine for me. I may well get an adaptor to use my dad's old Rikonon 50mm 1.4 though

rfusca

nice

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska check their shoe department!

I also have a 135 f/2 in the same mount (Pentax K) but the MFD is something on the order of 6 miles

rfusca

lol

Jolenealaska

14:32

If I go to Sam's Club instead of Walmart, I may get a bag of avocados. I want to do the avocado experiment part 2 with Vitamin C. I was holding off until I got sodium Metabisulfide, but then I was realized that was dumb. No one is going to buy that for their guacamole anyway.

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska I like a nice Na2S2O5-mole

Jolenealaska

I have a tennis shoe that has lost its mate. Maybe I'll sous vide that. I'd have to use a big garbage bag to seal it in.

:)

rfusca

it would certainly be aromatic

ElendilTheTall

it would probably be not dissimilar to a mature camembert

Jolenealaska

Ha!

@Jefromi I incorporated the relevant comments into that nut flour answer, so you can clean up comments now if you want.

ElendilTheTall

14:40

so

are we all set for christmas?

food planned?

ridiculous sweaters purchased?

Jolenealaska

I was going to do a fancy Christmas spread, but I can't afford it.

ElendilTheTall

come to mine

Jolenealaska

I wish :)

ElendilTheTall

Brisket, turkey, roast potatoes, green beans, clapshot, parsnips, Yorkshire pudding, pigs-in-blankets, cheese-in-blankets, lashings of gravy, horseradish sauce, cranberry sauce

Glazed chocolate mousse cake for dessert

Jolenealaska

I'd like to do something a bit special, preferably with the sous-vide, but it can't be much more expensive than a "normal" dinner for two.

That sounds great.

ElendilTheTall

14:51

I'm sure @rfusca would have you

See? No objections - book a ticket for Georgia!

perhaps a midnight train

Jolenealaska

That's too expensive a trip too. I can maybe get to Wasilla.

Maybe the Palins will have me.

For Christmas moose.

rfusca

@Jolenealaska try this? seriouseats.com/recipes/2013/11/…

ElendilTheTall

ha, she's aware of that

Jolenealaska

I've posted that a few times :)

rfusca

oh lol

i have permission to try it for christmas

Jolenealaska

14:54

I'm not crazy about turkey, but that does look good.

I'm going to remember that one for next Thanksgiving, since that's the "turkey is required" holiday.

Have either of you ever tasted Five Spice in a fried rice?

ElendilTheTall

nope

what you say about sesame oil is right, I think, but possibly for the wrong reasons

I think heat is the key

I think a stupid-high heat is what creates the smoky flavour of good fried rice

Jolenealaska

Not for me, I never fry my rice with extreme heat, and I make great fried rice.

ElendilTheTall

home hobs can't get that hot, and sesame oil is the best way to reintroduce the smokiness

Jolenealaska

I just use normal medium high heat.

talon8

I upgraded my stove and without changing anything else, my fried rice definitely tastes different.

ElendilTheTall

15:06

@Jolenealaska every recipe I've ever seen says to get the wok smoking

Jolenealaska

but if I'm out of Sesame Oil, forget about it.

ElendilTheTall

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that's the standard method

Jolenealaska

I'm sure it is in restaurants, but at home, the results are just fine with normal heat. My fried rice is as good or better as I have ever had, even in Korea.

The letting it sit still to get a crust is important for a few reasons.

That may also make up for the lower heat a bit too.

Jolenealaska

15:22

I just noticed something. First I had this link in a comment to my Fried rice answer, but I switched it out because the title said refined but the label in the picture said unrefined.

amazon.com/Spectrum-Naturals-Refined-Sesame-Oil/dp/B00028MI50/…

Hi @Cerberus

Hi @AJHenderson

AJ Henderson

@Jolenealaska hey

Jolenealaska

So I switched to this link yesterday. The title says refined sesame oil, the picture is of refined sunflower oil. They can't get anything right!

amazon.com/Spectrum-Naturals-Refined-Sesame-12x16/dp/B006R0R3ZM/…

(click on it to see the weirdness)

Cerberus

Good morning.

Jolenealaska

Mornin Cerby, been to bed yet?

Phrancis

Morning folks

Jolenealaska

15:33

@Cerberus You ought to use paint or something to create a temporary avatar wearing three different hats. It would be so cute.

Cerberus

Hah.

Morning, lady and gentleman.

Jolenealaska

If I made you a good one, would you use it?

Cerberus

I slept from 8AM till 4PM.

I'm sorry, I will not participate in this hat thing.

Jolenealaska

AWESOME!

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall just ordered one of these for video work: amazon.com/gp/product/B00MIXFBL0/…

Cerberus

15:35

How about you?

Jolenealaska

I slept from 8pm to 4am.

And I slept through!

I never do that.

Cerberus

Well done!!

And 8PM is actually not a crazy bedtime!

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca what does it do? record separate audio?

never really done any video

Jolenealaska

neither is 4am for a wake up time

Cerberus

Mmm I guess not.

rfusca

15:37

@ElendilTheTall yup, its a seperate audio recording unit

Cerberus

The most important thing is that you made it through 8 hours of sleep.

rfusca

but it sends a line into the camera so that you can easily sync up the audio in post

ElendilTheTall

cool

are you still using Pentax?

rfusca

yup

i was pissed off for awhile because the video and occasional picture was coming out with bad artifacts

then discovered it was the SD card

changed cards, no issues since

AJ Henderson

@rfusca shiney

I kind of want an H6n

but can't justify it since I already have an h4n

rfusca

15:41

yup

i didn't own any and didn't need something to record with its own mic, so that seemed like the way to go

AJ Henderson

That's why I like the H6n, it's modular and you can use an extra set of inputs instead of a mic

rfusca

plus now I can switch to using the shielded xlr cables we have instead of the wimpy 1/8" stereo jack plug

AJ Henderson

and a 6 track recorder that is hand held is just epic

rfusca

indeed

AJ Henderson

but yes, XLR jacks are key

I had the XLR adapter unit for my Canon GL2 back in the day too

rfusca

15:44

@AJHenderson yup

i was getting so much noise on my audio - i'm hoping this helps some

adobe audition was doing a decent job eliminating it, but sometimes left it really hollow

AJ Henderson

what are you using mic wise?

rfusca

amazon.com/Rode-NTG2-Condenser-Shotgun-Microphone/dp/B00093ESSI/…

@AJHenderson hows the house stuff?

AJ Henderson

@rfusca finally moving forward again

hopefully Friday, wasn't clear if that was going to be closing friday or the bank being ready to schedule the closing on Friday

but we'll find out I guess

@rfusca hmm, I didn't even realize they made an XLR shotgun mic

rfusca

@AJHenderson yup

@AJHenderson lol

at their mercy

based on reviews and stuff, I don't think its a mic issue

AJ Henderson

yeah, I was thinking the same, though it is a DIRT cheap shotgun

so "good for the price" isn't necessarily saying much

does the tascam unit provide phantom?

(and we're still on topic since final output from recording is sometimes called cooking :) )

rfusca

15:57

@AJHenderson yes

@AJHenderson oh, there's cheaper :P

AJ Henderson

@rfusca that is likely to help too

@rfusca yes, but we don't speak of those ;)

rfusca

indeed, indeed

AJ Henderson

I'd definitely love to know how the Tascam unit works out though. I didn't even know they had anything that cheap on the market

looks like a great price

rfusca

the Mk1 version is like 30 bucks cheaper even

I was reading a B&H article on dslr audio options and it was one of their top recommendations

so, i'm hopeful

it should come in tomorrow

AJ Henderson

I suppose the H4n is getting pretty cheap now to since the H5n and H6n are out

rfusca

16:04

i've got a big video production on saturday morning

AJ Henderson

how big is big?

rfusca

oh, not 'big'

we're shooting some videos for our kids church stuff

but its outdoors at a baseball diamond

AJ Henderson

ah

rfusca

i haven't done much stuff not in the studio

AJ Henderson

hope you have reflectors

and crew

rfusca

16:07

i have some yes

i'm praying for a nice overcast morning lol

AJ Henderson

are you close micing as well?

wind is also a pain

shooting outdoors can be great for lighting, but is a pita for sound

rfusca

we're boom mic'ing

AJ Henderson

make sure you have an active audio monitor for wind conditions and such

rfusca

not sure what you mean by that

AJ Henderson

ie, someone should have headphones in listening to the audio as it is recorded

rfusca

16:08

oh, of course

AJ Henderson

do you have an ND filter as well?

rfusca

I do, yes

we're got this kind of windscreen

AJ Henderson

ah, that should help some too

rfusca

and a cheaper foam one

there's a small chance of rain - i'm hoping that goes away and we're just left with clouds lol

Cerberus

18:17

@Jefromi In case you're interested, I had another odd Google search. I was searching for `Snapdragon 801 coprocessor`, but the second result, and several results on the first page, do not mention `coprocessor` at all, nor any synonyms that I could find (such as `co processor` or `co-processor`). Some of the odd results say "missing: coprocessor", but the second one and a few others do not.
https://www.google.com/?q=Snapdragon+801+coprocessor&gws_rd=cr&ei=P8iRVNfFOYLaap-NgpAO#q=Snapdragon+801+coprocessor

Jefromi

@Cerberus Welcome to the magical world of search and invisible evidence (e.g. anchor text)!

Cerberus

Yay!

Jefromi

Seems to really require it if you have double quotes, so... yup.

Cerberus

Indeed, verbatim helps (but disables synonyms).

What is anchor text, exactly? The word coprocessor isn't even in the source of the page of the second result.

Intext:coprocessor also helps.

rumtscho

Oooh, I'm torn

One of the best contemporary Bulgarian musicians is playing in the next city, 20 minutes by train, this Friday

Jefromi

18:24

Search engines use the text of links pointing at pages to help rank too - for example you might link to seasoned advice with text saying "awesome cooking Q&A site" and then they'd know the page is "awesome" even though it doesn't say it on the page.

rumtscho

I jumped at the idea of hearing him

and then I noticed that he's there with a new project - together with an electronic music artist

Electronic is one of the genres I like the least

This musician normally interprets folk and jazz music, playing a special type of flute

►

This is his typical style

Jefromi

Dumb example, but this kind of thing actually really helps because sometimes people describing a page use different language than the website itself uses, and sometimes the way people search includes language like the former.

@rumtscho Electronic is a pretty broad category; perhaps this will be in a corner you like?

rumtscho

but this is what he's doing now

►

Cerberus

@Jefromi Ah, okay, that is true.

rumtscho

@Jefromi I'm a bit close minded there, I'm afraid

Jefromi

18:28

@rumtscho Oh, you know already, oops.

rumtscho

"Hier gilt „Sofia meets Mannheim“: Der bulgarische Multi- Künstler Cooh (Ivan Shopov), Koryphäe der internationalen Drum&Bass- und Dubstep-Szene trifft auf den renommierten Jazzmusiker Theodosii Spassov sowie den Pixelschubser vom Mannheimer Visualisten-Festival B-Seite. In Bulgarien heißt dieses audio-visuelle Kunstprojekt „Balkansky“ und vermischt traditionelle bulgarische Musik mit elektronischem Sound und Vision. "

Ahh, sorry, forgot it's in German

but "Drum&Bass- und Dubstep" should be understandable

I tolerate Dubstep in kayaking videos, the young boys can't leave the fingers of it

do you find this music easy to listen to? Or are you fans anyway?

Jefromi

What is the bit at about 4:00? It seems very familiar...

rumtscho

@Jefromi I assume you mean the woman singing in Balkanski, not the end of the Santorini video?

It's a popular Bulgarian folk song

►

Jefromi

Yes, sorry, the second video, the woman singing.

I wonder why I know that!

rumtscho

It seems like a very simple melody, maybe it's part of another song somewhere

The only two Bulgarian folk songs of "international fame" are others

Jefromi

18:37

Yup, might be. Anyway, yeah, might not be a concert I'd choose to go to, but I know we all have our own weird preferences.

rumtscho

►

This one was sent on Voyager, to represent the music of humanity

►

This one was used on the soundtrack of Jesus of Montreal, a really good movie

I think it didn't get an Oscar despite a nomination, but I love it nevertheless

Cindy

Hello.

rumtscho

hello @cindy

Jefromi

@rumtscho I shall add that to our list, especially since my wife is from Montreal!

Cindy

Question for you guys. What is a CV and how it is different than a resume?

Cerberus

18:47

It is the same thing.

CV is the international term.

Some countries or places have local terms in addition (or instead).

Cindy

Thank @Cerberus. I noticed it in my job searching. Had never seen it before.

Cerberus

Ah.

Jolenealaska

CV = curriculum vitae

Cindy

Hi @Jolenealaska.

Cerberus

The little course of one's life.

Jolenealaska

18:50

It can also just be a list in a bio, not necessarily a separate document.

Hi Cindy

Jefromi

@Cindy It's trendier.

Cindy

Okay. I'm working on a new resume format and a new cover letter. I thought mine was pretty good but........

@Jefromi How so?

Jolenealaska

I gotta go pick CN up from the hospital. Apparently he had scheduled heart thing yesterday and they kept him overnight. I didn't even know he was gone.

CYA

Jefromi

@Cindy I get the impression that people used to always say resume but CV is becoming more common.

Cindy

See you later @Jolenealaska.

Yes, in years past it was always resume. Even with the searching I'm doing now I've only seen CV one time and it was worded something like 'attach your CV or resume'.

Jefromi

18:57

And probably something similar about older vs younger companies (or HR folks).

Cindy

Most companies now use outside firms that specialize in talent acquisition. I knew that in the last couple of years the company I worked for had transitioned to that but I didn't realize how widespread it had become.

rumtscho

@Cindy I find this disturbing. Personnel choice is very important and depends on factors not easily explained to outsiders. How is a company going to keep its culture and identity if it leaves somebody else decide who it is made up of?

Cindy

Well it always comes back to the manager's decision. The real downside is you only get to see resumes they pick and the don't always understand things that may be important. I can't tell you how many resumes I had sent to me from persons in locations not suitable for the position. Or from persons who were totally not suitable.

They actually sent me one and in it's entirety said "I want this job". No contact info or anything.

Plus, they are not always timely. On several occasions I had to constantly call and e-mail to get them to send me candidates. It was much easier when we had access to applicants.

rumtscho

19:17

So, you had to pay an intermediary to do the job you used to do yourself, and it ended up being harder/less efficient for you, and they delivered a worse quality than you would have done (in an initial screening)?

Cindy

Exactly.

rumtscho

This seems like a good example of why McKinsey and co should be avoided.

It sounds like the kind of thing they'd come up with, and sell hapless companies as the next big money saver.

Cindy

True. And I don't really understand why the trend started in the first place.

rumtscho

It's usually a matter of a perverse incentive structure. I'm sure that every single involved person had a very good reason to do their part in it. Good for them personally, that is.

Cindy

The other thing that was so frustrating is that managers are still expected to recruit. So we would go out in the field, to job fairs, talk to people and get them to apply. Then we hit the wall. We had to pull teeth to get their application and resume through the system. We were totally dead in the water and at their mercy. Bonus -- how quickly we got positions filled was part of our performance evaluation.

rumtscho

19:25

@Cindy I hope that at least that last part can be different in your next job.

From what you told us, it seems that your old company had some very strange HR policies. Hopefully others are doing it better.

Cindy

I sure hope so. That's why I need a break from management for a while.

Or, one of the reasons/frustrations.

Yes. Most of the companies like that have good policies in place but they run renegade. The policies get quite abused. And as a manager you don't really have protection.

rfusca

19:47

hola all

rumtscho

@rfusca hi @rfusca

Cindy

Hi @rfusca

rfusca

hows it going?

Cindy

Status quo. Not much new here. Still doing the job search.

rfusca

take up welding

good money there

Cindy

19:58

That's true. There are a lot of areas I wish I was skilled in.

rfusca

so, become skilled in them

people aren't born welders ;)

Cindy

It's hard to get an apprenticeship at my age. :)

rfusca

bah

Cindy

I did think about going back to school but money (or rather lack of) won't allow for that right now.

rfusca

yup, i understand that

money. pssh

Cindy

20:06

What line of work are you of in?

rfusca

@Cindy oracle database administrator

plus, I'm creative director for a church

Cindy

Way cool. I have often wished I had gone into some type of computer based field.

rfusca

i kinda stumbled into it

Cindy

Question - How do you guys keep up with the ever changing landscape? That's how I got into my line of work, too.

rfusca

was working for this computer during college, and was doing just stupid hourly stuffy - data entry and the like. Got done so quickly they asked what else I could do, and said I was good with computers. So they gave me Excel stuff. Excel became Access, Access became MySQL and PHP, that became Postgres and that became Oracle

Cindy

20:13

When I was young I had no idea what I wanted to do. Then I got a job with Unilever (Chesebrough-Ponds division). I was hooked. My son was totally opposite and had clear ideas. Stayed focused etc.

Cerberus

Ah, you worked for the Dutch.

Cindy

Yes. Good company.

rfusca

@Cindy nice

Cindy

I've been fortunate in that I have worked for some very good companies. I guess the other that I enjoyed as much was J & J. Learned a lot there, too.

rfusca

Johnson and johnson?

Cindy

20:22

Yes.

Cindy

20:34

Gotta run. Nice talking to you guys! :)

Cerberus

20:55

Bai!

Jolenealaska

21:53

Someone is on a bigtime kick to close questions. There are 9 questions in my queue with a close vote as "primarily opinion based".

Jefromi

I am very ambivalent about the cheese pairing one...

I wonder how they found all these flavor pairing questions at once!

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