The Frying Pan

Jolenealaska

04:51

Anyone here?

Dangit. I want to vent about the Gluten-free peanut butter thing. Oh well. Cya.

rfusca

05:53

@Jolenealaska lol

SAJ14SAJ

08:23

@Jolenealaska WaxEagle tells us this guy is a troll, and if you look at his profile and follow the link to his site, you will see what you will see.

derobert

12:07

Did you know cooking a dish less than once a month makes you a master? :-P

SAJ14SAJ

12:37

@derobert Can you have any doubt of that?

It does not, however, let you ask an answerable question.

derobert

I am tempted to answer "The essential difference is: (picture of a chicken) vs. (picture of a cow)"

SAJ14SAJ

:-)

Cerberus

<picture of cat> <picture of mushroom>

wax eagle

12:56

wow...just wow

SAJ14SAJ

Hi wax

wax eagle

@Jolenealaska yeah, getting angry at Evan is a waste of time

Mien

I will finally receive my Sansaire soon, ETA friday :D

derobert

13:13

Cool. What will you cook with it?

Mien

I'll start with some eggs on different temperatures

'I also want to try some carrots with a bit of butter.

And then of course, some beef.

but bf and me are discussing whether or not we need a vacuum sealer

derobert

Most of the stuff you can do fine with ziploc bags

Mien

That is what I think too.

But ours are from IKEA, not sure how safe these are.

I foremost hope nothing's wrong with my Sansaire and the back cover thing goes smooth.

Yours works still fine?

derobert

you can order sous vide zip bags from Amazon. Or at least you can here...

Mien

What is the best thing you've made with it, so far?

derobert

13:21

Yeah, it works fine. And after putting the cover on, its basically bent back into shape.

Hmmm, I did sausages. That was probably the best so far. The steak I did turned out it'd been hiding in the freezer for well over a year...

(was still pretty good, though)

Mien

I have one steak left in my freezer, a very good one but it's been there for over a year too :P

SAJ14SAJ

13:49

IF your freezer doesn't have temperature fluctuations of an extreme sort, it should still be fine, I think, Mein.

Mien

14:12

Yes, so I think too.

But I moved it twice :P

It's a tenderloin, so very tender :P

This looks very hard like a SE site imo: paleohacks.com/questions/index.html

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien Yeah, it has come up before. What I heard, and I don't know if this is true, is they have a license or permission from the early days to operate SE like softeare on their own, from when SE supposedly did such a thing.

Mien

Oh okay.

So we shouldn't flag it or something? :) fine

SAJ14SAJ

Of course, their whole premise is so absurd that I pay them no attention @Mien

Mien

:D

I was googling sous-vide stuff :P

derobert

@SAJ14SAJ Yeah, that was the StackExchange 1.0 business model.

SAJ14SAJ

14:27

@derobert And now they put up with the likes of us. I went to SO itself with no add blocker set up yet on this computer. I really didn't like it that much.

derobert

@SAJ14SAJ Well, that's your fault for not having Adblock installed.

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert Yeah, I have to install it on this computer.

derobert

Though if you're logged into a reasonable-rep account, you get less advertising

SAJ14SAJ

I have appx 1k on SO itself.

The culture is so brutal their, I kind of stopped.

derobert

(There are also a few open source SO clones, it could be one of those... I'd have to actually look to tell...)

SAJ14SAJ

14:31

Paleo is the only one I have run into...

derobert

@SAJ14SAJ stackoverflow.com/help/privileges says its at 200, so you should have that one

SAJ14SAJ

-Hmm, even the ones that remain seem to drive me crazy!

Mien

The bags I have are polyethylene.

I just found it.

derobert

Aren't they all polyethylene?

They're probably safe for sous vide if they're rated for reheating food.

SAJ14SAJ

You need to reinforce them with asbestos threads, and use lead for sealing.

Mien

14:39

well, only polyethylone, and without BPA, so I assume mine are safe to use.

It's called 'plastic bag'

and it says that it is safe for the freezer.

But no mention of heating.

I'll check the box tonight.

derobert

@Mien I think all polyethylene is BPA-free. BPA is mainly polycarbonate...

Mien

Then why do they mention it? :D

SAJ14SAJ

Why does who mention it?

Mien

who => several companies that produce plastic bags :P

derobert

@Mien The same reason a glass bottle does—people want feature "BPA-free", so the advertising folks happily put it on the box

Mien

14:42

Am I BPA-free?

SAJ14SAJ

I think chickens should be labled "gluten free, BPA free"

Mien

Perhaps I should put that on my resume!

derobert

@Mien Probably not

Mien

:-(

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien You should, you should!

Unless you are not... have you been retaining BPA?

Mien

14:43

I can always come up with another 'BPA' defintion.

Beer and Parent Advisor

derobert

@SAJ14SAJ I've never seen BPA-free on chicken. I think I may have seen gluten free once...

Mien

what do you think?

derobert

I doubt you're beer-free. At least not always.

wax eagle

@derobert that's actually a pretty common label on chicken

(though IIRC it's on chicken products that normally include breadcrumbs)

like nugnuts

derobert

I love the 25% less fat (or whatever percent it is) label on Milk Duds

SAJ14SAJ

14:44

@derobert No way! :-)

derobert

It contains less fat than leading chocolate brand....

... because, of course, it's mostly not chocolate.

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert That is not a quality indicator, but I think Milk Duds are coated in wax, anyway.

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ Hey! I'm not coating anything

SAJ14SAJ

@waxeagle I don't know, you fly too high, wax drips... who knows where it ends up?

Mien

@derobert Never said that :P

How long does it take for beer to get out of your system? 8 hours?

SAJ14SAJ

14:51

@Mien Define out of your system?

I think once beer gets its hooks into your brain, it is there for life. And you are a so-called "beer drinker".

Mien

:D

I have a lot of beer in my brain then.

SAJ14SAJ

I believe you metabolize about one beer's worth of alcohol per hour....

Mien

the alcohol takes about 1.5 hour I think.

But there's more to beer than alcohol.

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien What part do you care about?

derobert

GAH! I pulled up Google at work and how syper hyper extra bold has appeared here....

wax eagle

15:00

@derobert yeah the goog changed formats on us. I guess we need someone to yell at...

Mien

@SAJ14SAJ Whatever takes the longest.

wax eagle

and Jefromi seems to be laying low

Mien

Of course, he's to blame!

derobert

I think we ought to find the appropriate folks to complain to. I don't recall signing human subjects research forms for this clearly unethical research Google is pulling.

wax eagle

@derobert 90% sure it's buried in the TOS somewhere

derobert

15:02

Nah, that wouldn't count as informed consent.

wax eagle

probably Thief from 8-bit style

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien I am sure that there is at least some iron or zinc or other nutrient in bear that will get bound into bone matrix and last for weeks or years.

Mien

I've never eaten a bear though.

SAJ14SAJ

Bad Mien, Bad!

Mien

What? :P Your mistake!

SAJ14SAJ

15:05

@Mien You are supposed to have a correcting input filter.

Mien

Not sure what you mean by that.

derobert

@Mien It's been a long time since we had people here drinking bears...

Mien

Same here.

I'm not sure I've even seen a bear.

I might have, in a zoo or something, as a kid.

And teddys don't count, right?

derobert

@Mien Not unless you drank it.

Mien

I did no such thing.

What ill do you think of me?

derobert

15:07

GRRR. Clearing cookies didn't make google go back to normal...

Mien

Poor cookies.

I should make cookies!

Or pie, it's almost Pi Day!

BESW

15:41

Did someone say Pieday?

►

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert You could switch to bing :-) Muhaahahahhaa

Mien

not clicking that :D

lol :D

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien Seconded

Mien

what about ask or yahoo?

BESW

@Mien It's surprisingly solid as a polka piece.

SAJ14SAJ

15:43

@Mien Now that is just crazy talk.

@BESW "solid" and "polka piece" haven't gone together since at least 1955.

BESW

Tell Weird Al that.

SAJ14SAJ

@BESW No

Mien

15:56

what does BESW stand for?

derobert

16:31

cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/42698/… ... isn't this off-topic? Seems to be asking if there are any long-term health effects of eating improperly stored food, if you don't get food poisoning.

SAJ14SAJ

How do I know, evidently some people think a question and answer all about sewage treatment is on topic.

SAJ14SAJ

16:58

hey Lindy

ElendilTheTall

hi

rfusca

@SAJ14SAJ wait, its not?

ElendilTheTall

i treat sewage in my slow cooker all the time

SAJ14SAJ

17:17

you are such a maverick>

if you guys agree with me, please go to the question and give it the 5th close vote to put it to bed :-)

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ: This dog is more than willing to assert that food authorities are often very far on the safe side: for healthy adults, leaving cooked food at room temperature for a day is almost always perfectly fine. By room temperature I mean 18–20 degrees. If you room is 30 degrees, I'd put it in the fridge. — Cerberus 8 secs ago

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus But you are well known to be a crazy coprophagic scavenger, and so have immunity from most bugs. You also live outside the boundaries of our excessively litigious society, and so are far less at risk if someone follows that advise, kills their baby, finds out who is behind the IP and sues you.

Cerberus

Haha.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus You know that you get a notice for comments under any question or answer you right, yes? You didn't need to copy it here. :-)

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ I'll concede that last point.

@SAJ14SAJ But I wanted to share my comment with the room!

SAJ14SAJ

17:24

@Cerberus That is why I am obsessively concervative, and type things like "You must assess your own tolerance for risk."

@Cerberus I see :-)

Cerberus

By the way, is it true that all shops in your country refrigerate their eggs?

Or just the majority?

derobert

@Cerberus I'm pretty sure its all of them.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus All is such a strong term, but I have never personally seen one that doesn't, at least a major market. A farm stand might be a different story.

Cerberus

OK.

SAJ14SAJ

Lets not go down the egg craziness path today :-)

Cerberus

17:27

> [Only in America are eggs washed.]

Okay, fine – but then why not just refrigerate the eggs, anyway? Wouldn't this just give unwashed eggs an extra line of defense? Perhaps, but the European Union laws again note that – like washing – refrigeration could actually wind up posing a risk to consumers. Again according to European egg marketing regulations, eggs that are stored cold and later left out at room temperatures could become covered in condensation, "facilitating the growth of bacteria on the shell and probably their ingression into the egg." EU guidelines therefore stipulate that eg…

SAJ14SAJ

I am not going to argue about the differing egg laws between the US and EU. Each side is entrenched in its view point and things the other side is crazy or something.

Me, personally, when I used to go through eggs very quickly, I kept them on the counter.

Cerberus

It's just that some people are crazy and others aren't, that's all!

@SAJ14SAJ Good.

SAJ14SAJ

On both sides.

Cerberus

Not on the germophobic side, these days...

SAJ14SAJ

I have no idea what you mean, @Cerberus

Cerberus

17:40

Uhuh, uhuh.

What do you do when someone is wrong on the Internet? Exactly!!

SAJ14SAJ

17:51

@Cerberus What are you talking about?

Cerberus

18:10

You!!

Or, the Internet!

SAJ14SAJ

Okay, Cerby....

Cerberus

Ugh, I was sent a PDF that doesn't render properly on my computer.

SAJ14SAJ

Ouchies.

Cerberus

I see squares instead of ë and the apostrophe on the cover.

And I have to convert and upload it.

SAJ14SAJ

Sounds like a font management issue.

Cerberus

18:19

Yeah.

But is it just my OS/fonts, or is the PDF wrong?

When I convert it to SWF, the issue remains.

@SAJ14SAJ Can you do me a favour and see whether you can see this cover page?

SAJ14SAJ

This is not an area I am particularly expert, but I think the answer is both. I didn't think PDFs were allowed to referene fonts that were not embedded for exactly this reason, and yet you are missing a referenced font.

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ Exactly. So I am thinking the original is wrong.

SAJ14SAJ

I can see it but it is really, really ugly.

Cerberus

In general, or the squares?

Do you see Israël at the top left?

SAJ14SAJ

Overall, the color composition. It is also in a foreign language I don't read, but I dont' see any font problems.

I take that back.

Cerberus

18:21

You see the correct trema in Israël, really?

SAJ14SAJ

No, Isreal is not rendering properly, unless it is artistically intended.

What is trema?

Cerberus

It's not artistically rendered haha.

The dihaeresis.

Which you might call dieresis hehe.

SAJ14SAJ

I don;t know that word either.

Cerberus

The two dots on the e in Israël.

SAJ14SAJ

The e is rendering as some wierd sort of graphic. It is not a simple box which is what you woudl expect for a font problem. When you zoom in very far, you see it is a little complicated glyph or graphic.

I have never seen Isreal written with two dots.

Cerberus

18:23

But you're right, that is actually an image based on the PDF, so you have to see the same think I do.

@SAJ14SAJ Right, right, exactly.

Thanks.

SAJ14SAJ

Something is wierd after the NGO immediately to the left as well.

Cerberus

So that image file is the result of a conversion done by an online service, so it cannot possibly be my problem.

Yes, the spostrophe is also a weird glyph.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus :-)

Do you have the source document?

Cerberus

Only the PDF I was sent.

Okay, I'm calling my colleague right now, before this goes to print.

SAJ14SAJ

O dpm

Yeah, you need a proper conversion.

REally? People voted to close the overnight food on the counter question as off topic, but not the sewage down the drain question? I don't understand this place.

Cerberus

18:31

Okay, he says other people will check the version that goes to print, and he will make another version for me when he gets home.

So all will be fine. I hope.

Sewage down the drain?

SAJ14SAJ

-1

Q: Throwing food down the drain

We know all food is organic(made of carbon). So if we through organic stuff down the drain, they should get decomposed by bacteria and shrink. So why should we worried about blockage if all food will get decomposed and the drain will open up. I understand oil and grease is bad because it deposi...

Joe's answer has not one jot of culimary information, its all about sewage treatment and pipes.

But he is arguing this is on topic.

And it is still one vote shy of being closed, when that other question which is much closer to on topic (and perhaps is) did get closed. It drives me crazy. Or crazier anyway.

Cerberus

Wait, this is about those grinders you people have in your sinks?

I thought it was OK to throw food down those...

I wish I had such a device!

Although I actually finish my plate like a good dog, so I never have much to throw away in the sink myself.

SAJ14SAJ

They are called "garbage disposals" and they are not free from controvert. For example, in NYC they are illegal. People with septic tanks doin't generally employ them of course.

I have one, and use it in moderation.

@Cerberus No kitchen trimmings?

I take that back, evidently they were only illegal until 1997 in NYC. But they are still rare, there.

Cerberus

Why illegal?

@SAJ14SAJ Trimmings in what sense?

SAJ14SAJ

Evidently they feared for their pipes.

Carrot peelings, orange peels, stuff like that.

The inside seeds and membranes from a pepper...

Cerberus

18:46

Well, I have no real reason to dump those in my sink?

I mean, if it didn't matter at all, I might do so. But I just either throw them into the rubbish bin or into some leftover wrappings on the countertop, then into the bin.

SAJ14SAJ

No one said they are essential.

Cerberus

But convenient, sure, I'd probably use it if I had one.

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