i am a windows freak

@Cerberus I think my pastry is too thick :(

But the filling is very flavourful so I think it's gonna be okay.

But for some reason did the pastry rise in the middle.

So it's hollow on the bottomside now :P

Pastry too thick at the side I meant.

@mien what were you cooking?

Lemon tart.

And now I took some cookie dough out of the freezer.

did you blind bake the pastry?

Yes, the filling does not require baking.

Perhaps I should have used baking beans or something.

yup

did you dock the bottom?

stupid cerberus

nope :P

He didn't mention it so I don't think he does it.

But it's okay-looking now :)

do you want to see a pic?

mais ouis

probably awful French

but I made the effort damn it!

* mais oui!

I'm gonna go downstairs for a bit, fixing our closets + taking a picture ;)

okey doke

@Mien Oh, dear! It is true: I don't use baking beans. I think the recipe says "you can use baking beans and/or prick a hole in the bottom if you're afraid of bulging, but it's usually not necessary". What I do when it come up a bit is simply push it down after the first phase and put something heavy on top. I didn't think of warning you for this, I'm sorry!

But I'm glad it looks okay now, picture!

> Piquez le fond de tarte et recouvrez-le éventuellement de papier siliconé ou sulfurisé et de quelques billes de cuisson pour éviter à la pâte de gonfler. En fait c’est surtout valable pour les tartes plus que pour les tartelettes je trouve, en tout cas ici je ne l’ai pas fait.

The recipe is a bit vague, just like me...

one thing I miss about using linux was I could map my windows key to be my PTT key for voice programs and not miss its functionality...

@Yamikuronue You can do that with Autohotkey in Windows.

> Lwin::!^v

If you are willing to surmount its learning curve. You are a programmer so it won't be so bad. But the program is exceedingly unfriendly.

Oh, wait, you miss that while using Linux.

I'm not awake yet. Good morning!

Cerby, perhaps you should go back to sleeping at random times? :-)

You're supposed to encourage me.

:D

You go girl!

no, I mean I miss that in Linux I had a dead key

@Mien So how is your tart? May we see a picture?

I took pictures, uploading now :)

so come back in five minutes :P

Yay!

So it has turned out well?

I think so?

Ohh great!

the small piece of the crust is missing because I cut it out to make sure it is cooked fully.

The filling is very flavourful :)

Right.

Yay!

I looks delicious and successful.

I'll eat it tonight, so should I put it in the fridge or just on the cupboard?

Hehe, I'm very curious.

Cupboard.

I added 10 g extra sugar, 10 g extra butter and 1 egg, as you said.

Great.

It's very lemony but not too sour :)

Thanks ;)

For the help I meant :P

I'm so proud!

veegt traan weg

:D

Was the centre of the crust well done, no longer white?

cutie

Hehe.

Oh, well, it's finished anyway, and it will taste good either way.

Yes, that was golden brown, but I was/am more worried about the sides. Those are thicker.

We'll see :P

I wouldn't worry about the sides, that is, they are always browner than the centre in my crusts.

And, yes, my sides also often turn out too thick.

Hey I'm curious, how long did you bake the crust in total?

Mine always seems to need longer than expected.

Depends on the oven, I suppose.

I don't know :P

Maybe 20 minutes?

Haha OK.

I just kept looking at it

Right, that what I do too.

and I also dropped the temperature towards the end.

Oh OK.

What's the theory behind that?

That it didn't become too brown :P

Heh.

Is that better than just taking it out of theoven?

cover it in foil

@Cerberus I wanted the middle to be cooked :P

And the crust gets heated more evenly if you lower the temperature?

@ElendilTheTall I covered the sides with aluminium foil last time.

Still not sure whether it made a huge difference.

well, it should certainly stop it browning

No idea :D

OK.

Have to go now, see you later!

Bai!

Well, Google sent me an email saying my phone has shipped

Woohoo!

Maybe you can ask it where it is now? What was the range of the voice detection again?

@Cerberus Hah, I suspect they shipped it turned off :-P

Too bad.

It would be cool if they enabled Wifi/GPS track-and-trace on shipped Nexus.

It is technically possible.

Hey, I was wonder about this "fused location".

@Cerberus Hah, like the battery would last that long...

@derobert Another reason to ship it within a few days!

Though it'd have a hard time reporting, since it doesn't have a mobile connection.

"Fused location" was announced as new in Android 4.2 or something; and yet we've always had location by Wifi/cell/GPS. So what's new?

@derobert Google could put in a pre-paid card or something.

That would be neat.

And also a jetpack.

Hello boys and girls and children of all ages.

Hello.

scrp;;

Printer dialogues.

scroll

sfsfsf

sfsfssf

sfsfs

You know it's realistic. And why limit yourself to s and f?

ssfs

@Cerberus wtf?

sfsfsf

Its just annoying, I am trying to scroll it off my screen

sfsfsf

No need.

much better!

An example of how interfaces and dialogues can suck.

@Cerberus by flashing so fast you can't see them?

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/…

@derobert That's just so you see how many there are in a reasonably short time.

> Can this situation be fixed? The people writing the programs have to start caring about the people using them as much as how pretty the icons and transitions are. They need to start thinking far more than they currently are about what it's like to actually use the application. Devs must do actual UI/UX research and take the time to think about the operation of the program.

Maybe the people on UX chat will be more informed and give you better conversation on this.

@Cerberus Well, this rant could use some work

In what way?

It is a bit...arbitrary.

They are interested detailed UX issues.

They study these things.

Example: author's first example of the Intuit site. The explanation is probably that they were worried that you'd copy and paste from the "type it in" field to the "verify" field

When are devs supposed to learn UX? Many university programs don't teach it, there aren't many classes on it aimed at devs, and there's not as much training out there for companies to pay for in UX as in, say, Hot New Language 23

not that you'd try to copy & paste from some external source to both fields

What you are doing is like going to UX chat and complaining about Hester Bwhosits soufle method. If he had one.

@derobert Yes, they didn't mention the obvious reason (bad though it is).

@Yamikuronue You think that's the issue? I think part of it is that they just don't test it on people.

Devs are also not often taught QA principles

How many times haven't you come across a small issue that made you go "this would take only a single line of code to fix: have they ever used their own program?"?

ideally you have a team with a couple devs, a UX specialist doing the interface design and flow design, and a QA team to manage the testing

@Cerberus Also, "I'm sure if pressed, Intuit would retreat behind security concerns or a similar defense to justify the decision." doesn't cut it.

I've had that very thought about my own code on this project. But the people I had testing it never used the system in the way they wanted during testing. So I had no idea they'd try to do that.

I thought the job of the QA team was to be maximally vague in error reports, especially when they are filed in duplicate?

He's playing a journalist. He should bloody well call them and get a comment.

@Yamikuronue Right. But I often see things that just having ten random people go through the process and making notes would have solved.

@derobert I suppose that would have been a good idea.

Maybe. But in my experience they probably had 10 people go through the process, and those people were idiots.

@Yamikuronue Why didn't they use it the way they wanted?

Yesterday we found a bug: "Clicking on this link does nothing." It's been in production for weeks now.

According to Neilson Group, 10 is 5 more than you need to find all of the big issues.

Sure, 5 could be enough!

Literally you cannot view articles of that type because the link is dead.

it was a javascript error

Or is it perhaps that the things the testers are instructed to do are too limited?

but they were too busy complaining that the alignment was 5px off to actually bother clicking on it

Hehe.

@Yamikuronue wow...

Testing things isn't enough. You have to test them rigorously and thoroughly. And that means training the testers on how to test, which a lot of companies do not do well

So perhaps that is where the problem lies, instructing testers properly.

@Cerberus This article reads like he's just pissed off at Intuit, and goes on a rant...

It is supposedly the first article in a series.

@derobert Consider the source. I'd say at least 60% of Ars Technica articles are "The author got pissed off at some piece of tech and went on a rant"

the other 40% being "Some company paid the author well to gush about how they're perfect and should never change"

I don't normally follow Ars...

Ars lost its mojo a few years ago. I don't read them any more. I couldn't point at any single concrete thing... its just they lost their mojo.

I have to say many websites that talk about new hardware or software are too laudatory.

It's pathetic how they will announce a new phone as having a "great camera", and it will be "widely considered inferior" by the time the next phone comes out, as with the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 5.

Hah, I fully expect the Nexus 5 camera to a POS.

Just a little less so than the Nexus 4 camera.

Yeah.

Phone camerae are never really good.

Then again, they may very well be better than regular digital camerae sold five years ago.

Well, the Nexus 4 surely wasn't.

I'm pretty sure my old Powershot A720 (released August 2007, according to Wikipedia) is better...

Yeah?

How much did it cost then?

My old Olympus is a lot worse than my Galaxy Nexus.

I got it from Amazon in June 2008, but it seems they can't pull up the order for some reason

Wooo, 19000 rep.

As per the agreements you all signed when you weren't looking, you all owe me 19,000 of the primary unit of your local currency. Paypal is fine. Thank you.

My primary currency is words.

I'll pay you in instalments.

@ElendilTheTall Then you owe me about 16,000 pounds.

@ElendilTheTall You failed to notice the fine print amendment on pp. 217.

Rep is to be converted into old (pre-05) Turkish Lyra.

@SAJ14SAJ that wasn't part of the agreement

@ElendilTheTall You didn't read the fine print!

@SAJ14SAJ I wrote the fine print biatch!

Now, now, play nice.

Note he hasn't responded about pp. 217! I bet he lost that page.

"The flipping of the semi was accomplished with a technique known in Hollywood as flipping a real goddamned semi. "

@derobert I don't respond to blatant, blatant lies

19000 old Turkish lira = 0.019 new Turkish lira = ~1¢

@derobert Just let him try to collect in a US court. And have a judgement filed against a mushroom. He will be committed.

@SAJ14SAJ Indeed.

There's precedent, I refer you to Wilkinson vs Porcini, 1924

@ElendilTheTall Your fantasy life grows deeper. Get back on your meds :-)

NEVER! <runs naked into the wilds>

:-)

Well, with the way he's acting, I bet he took a nibble out of some random mushroom.

See, this is another reason why you shouldn't eat mushrooms!

Your cousins have some scary properties.

... that new feature in Android sounds like a terrible idea

I forgot, I made a nice looking focaccia the other day

here it is

Okay, lets start a separate chatroom for phone talk...

It was nice-tasting too

@ElendilTheTall That is quite the cute little loaf.

this one was a cheeky overnight ferment

@ElendilTheTall Ah

three day ferments are the way forward

for focaccia at least

@ElendilTheTall wow, that's long... How cold is your fridge?

"Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) support has been added to the keystore provider improving security of digital signing, applicable to scenarios such as signing of an application or a data connection." Yeah! I wonder, did the NSA specially request that feature?

AFAIK, ECDSA's best (maybe even only) feature was dodging RSA patents. But those patents have expired, so ECDSA no longer has any good features...

Other than that, it has some nice downsides. Just ask Sony.

schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/the_battle_for_1.html

Far more interesting than random rants from Ars :-P

I read about 1/5 without finding anything of interest in what he was saying.

"That is the correct URL but it is displaying the wrong page."

I'm pretty sure it's not the right URL then...

@Yamikuronue As long as you didn't write that error message, I would not worry about it :-)

I was right. The URL was wrong.

they were pointing at the wrong server entirely

@derobert No colder than any other AFAIK

ooh that focaccia looks nice @ElendilTheTall