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Unionhawk
Unionhawk
12:11 AM
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
12:49 AM
context for those like me who weren't familiar with Kiwi farms: cbc.ca/radio/day6/kiwi-farms-online-forum-1.6565229
> In her case, she said, the answers she got from the New York Police Department in 2017 "basically were you should log off, that if you just ignore it they'll go away."
Police are so useless. Holy hell. This is their response to harassment against woman constantly.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
1:04 AM
@forest Meant to follow up earlier, BUT, people often won't say it directly. It'll become obvious that's the root of it if you engage with them long enough. For example, in the case of an abortion to save the mothers life, it's extremely common for a response to be "The mother should have thought about that before having sex". Makes it pretty clear what their true feelings are.
Same idea for how the same groups strongly anti-abortion, claiming it's for "the sanctity of life", are also very strongly against just about every kind of social support system, including those for children. Basically, they claim to be so concerned with life, but as soon as that life is born, they stop caring. Makes it clear that "the sanctity of life" not the true source of their opposition.
 
forest
forest
1:21 AM
@Wipqozn I've never heard someone (outside of the internet) say that. Of course, my sample size is rather small (my neighbors, who are quite conservative, but they're obviously not representative of all conservatives).
 
 
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Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
8:08 AM
> Google is famous for its cafeterias, which serve its legions of programmers and product managers everything from vegan poke to gourmet tacos — free.

But the cooks and servers behind those meals are generally contractors who work for other companies, and do not get the generous perks and benefits reserved for Google employees. So over the past few years, thousands of them have unionized, securing higher wages, retirement benefits and free platinum health care coverage.
 
 
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Wipqozn
Wipqozn
1:36 PM
 
 
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Fredy31
Fredy31
3:17 PM
In quebec we are in a provincial election rn. Most chiefs have a good bunch of bodyguards following them around, which was not a thing before.

And the the PCQ chief (the party where those bosos affiliate with) was boasting that the other chiefs had more body guards than attendants at their rallies, while he had none.

No shit bitch your guys are the ones that make everybody else need the body guards
 
 
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Wipqozn
Wipqozn
5:51 PM
BREAKING: Juul agrees to pay nearly half a billion dollars as part of a settlement with dozens of states over the way it marketed its vaping products. twitter.com/ABC/status/…
Another example of why "lEt ThE mArKeT dEcIdE" is complete nonsense
 
user
user
@forest I've never met anyone like that in person (partially because I live in a blue state, partially because I don't meet anyone in person :P) but there are plenty of people on Reddit and in other places who think that you should "keep your legs closed" if you don't want kids.
I've met someone on the CGCC Discord server who is otherwise a very sensible person but seems to think that abortion should be illegal because having sex needs to have consequences and because they think rape and incest make up a very small proportion of abortions
Why anyone would think sex should have consequences, I don't know
The "keep your legs closed" thing I saw in a post by a (probably suicidal) antinatalist who was still firmly against abortion, let me try to find it
 
Fredy31
Fredy31
6:54 PM
@user Abortion is so weird as a debate to me
Like its a decision of a woman, their partner, and thats it
Why the fuck do you want so fucking much to be in that already tough decision made by people you never met
Like what does it change to your life?
But they will lose afternoon after afternoon at the abortion clinic just making sure some girls that probably have the worst day in their life have it even worse
 
user
user
7:15 PM
@Fredy31 Eh, if you view fetuses as deserving all the same rights as children and adults, then it follows from there that you would view abortion as murder and would want it to be illegal
Although some so-called pro-lifers seem to care more about those fetuses than children and adults
@Fredy31 tbh it's not really their partner's decision either (although of course the partner totally has a right to suggest what they think the woman should do)
@user But really, (I don't know how many would agree with me on this) not all sorts of murder is equally bad
Like, if someone's a serial killer with no friends and no family that care about you, it's more moral to kill that person than not
If someone's a normal person with absolutely no one depending on them in any way, then I think it's not immoral to kill them such that they never even know they were killed
 
Nzall
Nzall
@user it's questionably more moral, but it's not good for society. Society as a whole has no room for vigilantism
 
user
user
Which is not exactly the case with unborn fetuses but combining it with the fact that the pregnant woman has a right to choose what happens with her body, abortion is pretty moral
 
Nzall
Nzall
Because YOU might think that killing a serial killer is okay to do, but your best friend might think it's okay to murder someone he thinks is a rapist
 
user
user
@Nzall I'm not talking about vigilantism in this case, I'm talking about death sentences (although like most people, I'm not actually for death sentences because it might turn out the person wasn't a serial killer at all)
 
Nzall
Nzall
Death sentences are not murder though, they're state sanctioned punishment
 
user
user
7:24 PM
@Nzall I'm not saying punishments should be left to citizens
@Nzall Call it killing, then. I hadn't looked up the exact definition of murder (I didn't mean "unlawful")
 
Nzall
Nzall
Like, Death sentences have an entire framework around them in most jurisdictions that involves due process, extensive trials, hotly debated laws, a massive system of appeals and potentials at clemency, etc
 
user
user
Which ends up being more expensive than a life sentence (although of course that doesn't necessarily mean that life sentences are better)
 
Nzall
Nzall
@user If the main focus of the justice system was to dole out punishment as cheaply as possible, everyone would just get stabbed to death by the arresting officer
no judges, no jury, no prisons, no expensive trial and appeal procedures, just a knife to the heart
 
user
user
Lol yeah
 
 
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forest
forest
10:32 PM
@user What? That'd only be true if the alternative is letting them go on killing.
The moral thing to do would be to prevent them from hurting anyone else until and if a treatment that makes it possible to restore empathy lost due to psychopathy (or whatever condition they have) is discovered.
After all, even the most vile psychopaths merely lack a connection between their prefrontal cortex and amygdala, which prevents them from feeling empathy. They're not "evil", just harmful, and if you (or I, or anyone else) also lacked that same part of our brain, we would be in the same boat as them.
@user From a purely utilitarian sense, that would be true. If a person merely stopped existing and no one knew of their absence, it would be a morally neutral act. But... the same could be said about a genocide of all humans on Earth...
 
 
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user
user
11:55 PM
@forest Well, isn't the only alternative to either let them go killing or imprison them forever? As far as I'm aware, there's no cure for it (yet). Of course, when a cure/treatment is found, it'd be a better idea then killing them
@forest If you can magically commit that genocide without causing any pain (physical or emotional), then sure, that'd be okay too
 

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