« first day (1842 days earlier)      last day (899 days later) » 

forest
forest
00:12
@user That's why they should be kept away from society, since you can't un-kill someone when a cure is found.
@user OK, I agree (from a purely hypothetical utilitarian standpoint).
user
user
@forest Just to be clear, I’m not proposing killing them because they’re evil or something. I don’t believe in free will and I don’t think punishment should be about revenge or something. I just felt it was tge best way to deal with someone to dangerous to be let loose in society and who can’t be changed
forest
forest
@user I disagree that they can't be changed. We just don't know how to yet.
user
user
@forest Okay, that’s a valid argument, but it’s highly unlikely a cure will be found anytime soon
forest
forest
(I don't believe in free will either fwiw, so I think we have similar views on this)
@user But it may be found within a lifetime. It's better to keep them away from society (which is, of course, necessary). Even if it's never found, there's no reason to punish them when it's something they can't help due to a brain condition.
user
user
Idk, maybe the person in question should be given a choice between a life away from society (which would be absolute hell) and death
forest
forest
00:15
It'd be better to reform the prison systems to be less cruel, and use it as nothing more than a way to prevent people who are too dangerous to be left alone from being out in society when they can't be trusted.
@user They already do (effectively). Some prisoners commit suicide.
user
user
@forest Keeping them alive is more of a punishment imo
forest
forest
That depends on the person.
user
user
@forest True, but the rate of failure is pretty high
forest
forest
I'm all for legalized assisted suicide.
user
user
It’s not easy
forest
forest
00:16
@user Yes, and that's one of the reasons I think assisted suicide should not be criminal.
user
user
@forest Me too (with some restrictions)
@forest True, that’s more of a priority
forest
forest
If a person really does not want to live anymore, whether they're in prison or not, that should be up to them. But there should never be a situation in which we kill them when they would rather stay in prison than die.
user
user
The vast majority of criminals aren’t dangerous enough to be locked away forever
forest
forest
Yeah, I'm only talking about those who are, such as violent psychopaths.
user
user
@forest My only problem with that is that they’ll hurt other prisoners
forest
forest
00:19
If they're a risk to other prisoners, they should not be in general population.
user
user
Although they’d probably be put in solitary pretty quick
forest
forest
Solitary confinement is one of those things that needs to be reworked.
user
user
Okay I’m gonna need some time to digest this, you’ve given me a lot to think about
forest
forest
The concept behind it is fine, but the implementation is such that it's recognized internationally as torture.
user
user
Yeah
How do you keep people away from others while letting them have some social interaction though?
forest
forest
00:21
If they're able to behave themselves, then they should be allowed to do so. Otherwise, they'd have to avoid physical social interaction. It could also be flexible, e.g. there's no reason they couldn't go out and chat with people while in handcuffs during breaks, if they really wanted to. In my opinion, the goal, in general, should be merely to keep people safe. If there's something that can be done to make their stay more comfortable without risking other's safety, it should be considered.
(And "risking other's safety" can include the financial risk of paying too much to make their stay comfortable in taxes. If there was a way to make it a 5 star hotel without harming the economy, that would be fine, but obviously there will be tradeoffs necessary. It just shouldn't be made intentionally more cruel).
 
1 hour later…
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
01:54
Holy shit:
Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
 
3 hours later…
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
05:11
I was really hoping for a dramatic happy ending on this one, but Eliza "Liza" Fletcher, the kidnapped teacher in Memphis, was found dead.
I guess that was hours ago, but I just heard. I really need some happy news.
The guy in custody did 20 years on another kidnapping and got out in 2020. That time he kidnapped a man who then escaped.
cnn.com/us/live-news/eliza-fletcher-case-update-09-06-2022/…
 
5 hours later…
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
09:56
@Jolenealaska Nora Roberts donates $50k to library defunded over books with LGBTQ content lgbtqnation.com/2022/09/…
@Jolenealaska The 1st fully hydrogen-powered passenger train service is now running in Germany. The only emissions are steam & condensed water, additionally the train operates with a low level of noise. 5 of the trains started running this week. 9 more will be added in the future to replace 15 diesel trains. engadget.com/…
@Jolenealaska Ohio based "Hot Chicken Takeover" chain fills its growing workforce with people often passed over because of incarceration, drug addiction, or homelessness, giving them a fresh start in life. bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/…
@Jolenealaska Global solar demand ‘staggering,' on track to grow 30%: analyst "forecasted that solar capacity installations are on track to grow by 30% globally this year and see sustained double-digit growth in 2023 through 2025." finance.yahoo.com/news/…
@Jolenealaska Pennsylvania governor signs executive order banning conversion therapy nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/…
@Jolenealaska Colorado to end sales tax for period products, diapers this week gazette.com/colorado_politics/…
@Jolenealaska California to become 1st state to offer free school lunches for all students abc7.com/california-free-lunches-school-lunch-food-access/…
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
10:14
@Wipqozn THANK YOU!! :)
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
10:25
I really was falling into a pretty deep funk. Every one of those headlines made me smile.
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Jolenealaska You're welcome :)
Was courtesy of r/upliftingnews
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
It doesn't help that I'm currently working on a paper in legal ethics that at every turn demonstrates how impossibly f***** up things are right now.
Memor-X
Memor-X
10:45
Legal Ethics

Doesn't Exists

Sources: Just look at society
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
11:34
The American Bar Association rules that they're shoving down our throats don't help.
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
12:06
@Jolenealaska Also, related to this, been meaning to say information about the judge that granted the special master is very clearly biased. She was appointed by Trump, and her reasoning is based on nonsense.
For example, she said that Trumps executive privileges' trumps bidens, apparently? Which makes no sense at all, since Trump has no executive privileges.
She should be tossed in jail for obstruction of Justice, since it's obvious that's what this is.
Nzall
Nzall
13:01
@Wipqozn Can the DoJ appeal the ruling?
MBraedley
MBraedley
13:16
@Nzall They can, but this just drags the whole thing out even longer.
Memor-X
Memor-X
13:45
which is exactly the plan
BradC
BradC
13:57
@Nzall what they'll probably do, based on analysis I've seen, is:
1. File a notice with the (current) judge, asking for clarification of a few specific things. This is not because they expect any different answer, but so its part of the record for appeal
2. Continue the work they are being allowed to continue (the security review)
3. Appeal the decision to the 11th circuit
Note the 11th circuit is a very conservative appeal's court, but this ruling is so bad on the law, it seems unlikely to hold up even there
note also they can appeal while continuing the process of choosing the special master and stuff, so it doesn't necessarily stop all motion
Nzall
Nzall
@BradC Are the 11th circuit justices also appointed by the former president?
MBraedley
MBraedley
14:25
@Nzall The majority of the active judges are, but the chief is a Bush Jr. appointee, and there's a Clinton and 3 Obama appointees and a bunch of Obama and prior senior judges.
United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit
The United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit (in case citations, 11th Cir.) is a federal court with appellate jurisdiction over the following U.S. district courts: Middle District of Alabama Northern District of Alabama Southern District of Alabama Middle District of Florida Northern District of Florida Southern District of Florida Middle District of Georgia Northern District of Georgia Southern District of GeorgiaThese districts were originally part of the Fifth Circuit, but were split off to form the Eleventh Circuit on October 1, 1981. For this reason, Fifth Circuit decisions...

« first day (1842 days earlier)      last day (899 days later) »