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fredley

13:42

Welcome

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@flaunting

@kevinvandervelden @batophobia @ronanforman

Flaunting

lol

how often are you in here

fredley

@Flaunting 100% of the time

Flaunting

fair enough

fredley

I just created it

Flaunting

out of interest what are your plans for the game

immediate plans

fredley

13:45

@Flaunting I'm working on settlement mechanics, @Kevin is working on exploration

Settlements will have a size, and will be populated with buildings that are expensive, but give special rewards

Flaunting

that is kl

how are you planning on displaying the information

fredley

@Flaunting Not got that far yet

Flaunting

but in theory you could have a blacksmith which increases the rate you can smelt ore

fredley

@Flaunting Yes, something like that

Flaunting

and a lumber mill to increase the speed of converting wood to planks etc

fredley

13:47

Houses give you extra villagers, etc etc

Yup

Flaunting

sounds like a good plan

fredley

I'll probably work on the UI next

Flaunting

balancing it will be fun

fredley

I've got the data layer pretty sussed out

@Flaunting fun/tedious

brb

Flaunting

i presume it would end up being something along the lines of smith smelts x no. of ore every 5 seconds x No. of villagers (based on villager level)

fredley

13:58

@Flaunting Yeah. Something like that

Flaunting

what is the perpose of the shovel villagers atm

fredley

@Flaunting You give them a tool (different to assigning them in the first place) and they use it super efficiently

Flaunting

ok now that makes sense

fredley

I'm beginning to think tools isn't the best way to assign villagers anyway

When you create one you should choose, and it's fixed like that forever, but you can upgrade via a different mechanic

Flaunting

do you know about the issue with resizing your browser

also you could add in emeralds as a really low chance and use them to upgrade

Ronan Forman

14:05

You should be able to change their professions, but they lose all upgrades they've been given.

Flaunting

i think their professions should stick

because you can always get more

in actual minecraft you can't change a villagers profession you are stuck with them

Ronan Forman

Ooh. It could be like tinkers construct, you give them redstone to work faster, emerald to be luckier...

Maybe if the tools you gave them ran out, iron or flint or something would increase their durability.

Flaunting

i still think create an enchantment table mechanic

and have xp as a reward for exploring

enchant a pick has a random chance for enchant then when you give to a villager they take on that trait

@RonanForman

Ronan Forman

That's also an option

Flaunting

i.e. luck, efficiency etc

Ronan Forman

14:13

Definitely more Minecraft rather than modded Minecraft

Flaunting

yeah it would make more sense

then you can also implement those to the user while adventuring, like have a sharpness sword and protection armor

an alternative to changing villagers professions could be having durability on tools (time durability) so that when the tool breaks you have to give them another one, but they are fixed till it breaks

Batophobia

@Flaunting Intead of time it should be number of uses

Flaunting

since number of uses on this is based on time i presume the same

Batophobia

true

I was thinking you meant real-world time

Flaunting

and it adds the possibility of an unbreaking enchantment having a use, and another benefit of diamond tools

Batophobia

14:17

I just woke up

Flaunting

lol

Ronan Forman

That'd only work for digger villagers, the blacksmith wouldn't have a tool.

Flaunting

im in the UK and at work so quite awake

Batophobia

brain no work before 10am

@RonanForman his pickaxe can break

doesn't have to make sense

Ronan Forman

@flaunting I'm in the UK and have just woken up.

Flaunting

14:18

layabout @RonanForman

GET A JOB!!!!

lol

Ronan Forman

@bat We were thinking of changing that, so villagers weren't assigned by tool.

Batophobia

@RonanForman hmmm

Ronan Forman

@flaunt I'm a student, it's my right to be lazy.

Batophobia

what is your proposed alternative

Flaunting

if you did that and introduced the building mechanic you can assign them based on the building

then give them tools to give them a purpose

Ronan Forman

14:20

Because a blacksmith can't actually mine because they're stuck by the furnace, so why do they produce ore?

Batophobia

They could mine while it is smelting

Flaunting

i like it - multitasking

i still think the more furnaces you have the more efficiently you smelt

fredley

14:32

Hmmm, this sounds like it's getting out of hand

Flaunting

lol

brainstorming is fun, and unfortunately its what i do for a living

Ronan Forman

We should really have a doc that says what everything should do.

fredley

IDEAS DOCUMENT

@RonanForman Way ahead of you

Ronan Forman

Cool.

Batophobia

@Flaunting multitasking seems like a bad idea for an incremental game

one resource should do one thing

fredley

14:41

@Batophobia Agree

A resource can be influenced by multiple things

But it should only do one thing

Batophobia

I think we should add Emeralds as a sort of currency and then you can buy upgrades to the furnace

fredley

@Batophobia Yeah, was thinking of doing that with emeralds

Batophobia

maybe have a trader villager that does like 1000 cobble : 1 emerald

fredley

@Batophobia I have a market building

It's pretty high-level though

Batophobia

I actually kind of liked badp's joke of having cobble be score

fredley

14:43

But yeah, by removing the tool business, villagers can be made into many more things, which are more logical than 'pickaxe? smith.'

@Batophobia Missed that

Batophobia

I think Yuuki was wondering if there would ever be a use for all the cobblestone and badp said it represents your overall score

fredley

@Batophobia Like in Minecraft: You'll always have too much cobble and dirt

Batophobia

exactly

fredley

But I can make buildings have insane cobble cost if that helps

Batophobia

but dirt is still pretty much useless

fredley

14:45

Currently they have a high stone cost, which will proabably be the bottleneck

@Batophobia Yup

Batophobia

stone cost is good

I was trying to think of something cool we could do with redstone

fredley

@Batophobia Yeah. I'll think on it

Flaunting

redstone could be used to upgrade buildings

Batophobia

like it

Flaunting

its how it works with minecraft, you use redstone to automate processes

so you use redstone as the price for an upgrade to the building

Batophobia

14:48

My initial thought was to make something like Bead Machine for redstone

Flaunting

i think if you add too too many interfaces to it then it will get crazy

when you can just add to a current mechanic,

Batophobia

@Flaunting so long as the interface and interaction are the same, multiple interfaces is fine

plus, it makes something new for the player to figure out

Flaunting

like you could have stone upgrades(more capacity for villagers) and redstone upgrades(efficiency in its process) then buildings could be fun

fredley

@Batophobia This is interesting

Batophobia

@Flaunting I do like this idea

@fredley problem was I couldn't figure out how it could work

tools already gather the resources

Ronan Forman

15:03

@Batophobia Goddammit! Now I'm playing this.

Batophobia

@RonanForman now you see why I wanted a redstone system like it

Ronan Forman

@Batophobia It is kind of fun. I've created a free lunch economy.

fredley

@RonanForman How?

Flaunting

damn you stop addicting me to things

fredley

I'm still trying to get 1000 triangles

Flaunting

15:05

the shuffler is amazing for triangles

fredley

@Flaunting 1 every 3 seconds, on average

I have another 2 pipelines making trianlges

Ronan Forman

FUuuuuuuccckkkk! It doesn't auto save.

Batophobia

@RonanForman nope

fredley

> The 'gentleman' stuffs all the triangles into his mouth at once.

Batophobia

great game

fredley

15:09

This cat just wants $100,000 again and again

Did I reach the end?

Flaunting

lol no you didnt

Batophobia

he wants it like 5 times, then you go "son of a..."

fredley

wtf pope

Flaunting

now i have to give away everything

lol

takes forever

i have 600000 beads ffs

fredley

Transmuting all to $, 1k$->sink

Batophobia

15:15

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Q: How can I quickly lose all my stuff to talk to the Pope?

When going for a walk, eventually you run into the Pope. He asks that you: Come see me when you have given away all of your posessions. This is a problem since I have millions of dollars and beads. How can I quickly get rid of all my things?

bead-machine

Flaunting

thanks quick change of plan

fredley

@Flaunting Hmmmmmm

I think it will take me longer to get to $1B

Flaunting

nah its easy

Batophobia

depends on what materials you have

Flaunting

i just wish i could convert beads into free lunch

Batophobia

15:18

I remember Triangles being the best starting point

fredley

@Flaunting How?

Batophobia

Oh dear, I've unleashed a monster

Flaunting

spend money to make money

i have focused everything on money production and the triangles to money works out really well

fredley

@Flaunting What's your $/s?

Flaunting

unluncher --> shuffler --> Converter(T-->$100)

you get 100,000 when it hits triangle

fredley

15:25

@Flaunting Room for a doubler on there

Flaunting

no i now have 60000 a tick without free lunch

Ronan Forman

Currently trying to give away everything.

Well actually turning it all into money so I can vend more hoppers to give away faster.

fredley

@RonanForman How many sinks do you have?

Ronan Forman

@fredley 1, but I'm not using it.

Vended another.

fredley

@RonanForman How are you throwing stuff away then?

Ronan Forman

15:32

No point sinking money when I can vend it away.

fredley

Good point

Operation Bribe the Pope

Batophobia

One word: Puzzlers

Ronan Forman

sigh I'm only losing 200 beads a tick.

This is going to take ages.

Batophobia

Don't remember when you get them, but you can lose a lot quickly

fredley

Ooh, got another sink

Flaunting

15:35

ok have to stop, work to do

fredley

Still going for $1b

Ronan Forman

Need more bead hoppers, I've only got 2 100 ones.

fredley

@RonanForman Vend vend vend

Ronan Forman

Trying, almost got 8.8mil.

I got a single *->$, sigh.

fredley

@RonanForman Wow

I've got two shufflers, but need another $->T

Ronan Forman

15:40

Hmmm, maybe I should start again, you only need beads for that first person right?

And triangles for the second.

fredley

I swear my $->$$ doublers aren't working

Ronan Forman

Do they have red arrows?

fredley

@RonanForman Not there

Oh no wait, I see, doublers don't double, they split

Batophobia

@fredley They copy

fredley

$600k (max)

Ronan Forman

15:48

Much better, I've started again and carefully controlled my bead production, now I just need to sink a bit of money for the pope.

fredley

If I vended until I got another shuffler and converter could get it up to $900k, but my vend price is too high right now

@RonanForman cheat

Ronan Forman

@fredley I ain't letting no game trick me into making useless beads.

Batophobia

Anyone past the machine yet?

fredley

@Batophobia Still saving for pope

Ronan Forman

How little do I need?

And now I need to produce beads.

Batophobia

15:58

@RonanForman might as well begin a little stockpile of triangles

fredley

This game is pretty stupid

Batophobia

addicting though

Ronan Forman

Awww crap. I'm the school's taking all my money, now I can't vend.

Batophobia

@RonanForman vending eventually changes to a different currency so get it while you can

Ronan Forman

Yeah, that just happened.

fredley

16:02

Ugh, still not saved up enough to bribe pope

Thinking this was a bad idea

Ronan Forman

I'm going to stop playing this game.

Probably for the best.

fredley

Getting to 0 for pope is impossibe though, since money piles up automatically

I went to him with $3: 'too much'

Batophobia

$-> *-> ]

have 2 of those, bam no money

anyway, machine idea like that for our redstone

but never, ever the "lose everything to continue" thing

unless we call it "Throw everything you own in the lava" so there's no wasting time figuring out how to get rid of things

fredley

That's the worst

I like the idea though

Ronan Forman

I really don't like the fact that the town automatically takes your money, makes it difficult to build up enough to make loads.

I wanted to vend, but when I got like 1% of the way to the next vend the school takes it all.

fredley

16:13

Gorram schools

Batophobia

@RonanForman You can turn school off

Ronan Forman

Ah.

Well I've stopped anyway.

fredley

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/179372/…

Batophobia

16:43

@fredley Answered

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