Coding Projects and Duga Heaven :)

I'm sitting and trying to rewrite @Duga from scratch, and looking into using Ktor instead of the Mechanize library. But highly considering scratching this and recording a new pyblock episode...

Vogel612

I wouldn't be so sure about that

you could also work on that search mod ;)

Simon Forsberg

lol

Vogel612

or set up that server

Simon Forsberg

7:16 PM

Seen today's episode, have you? :P

Vogel612

uhhh. not yet, actually..

current base

there's a bit more stuff to the north for the automation of red science

Simon Forsberg

wrt the server, I think it would be nice to start it more together, on a specific date/time

Vogel612

agreed

Simon Forsberg

@Vogel612 Ah, now I feel a bit better. Almost as much chaos as I have :P

Vogel612

speak for yourself :)

Simon Forsberg

7:19 PM

yeah yeah :)

You have something blue on the map in the bottom left, go and find out what it is!

Vogel612

spaceship wreck with 4 fuel rods MK5 in them

Simon Forsberg

No offense @Duga but... screw ~~you~~ coding, I'm gonna record another pyblock episode!

@Vogel612 o_O

Vogel612

and lots of scrap copper

Simon Forsberg

fuel rods mk5!? Aren't those like... super awesome!?

Vogel612

yup.

there also was a part with a single MK2 rod in it

Simon Forsberg

7:21 PM

what the hell...

Vogel612

if it helps you: I think I can't even use these right now ...

Simon Forsberg

Yeah that doesn't surprise me

Vogel612

aight. sand scaled a bit

Vogel612

7:45 PM

and now it seems coal gas is insufficient :/

can never get it right, eh?

Duga

[IvenBach/AdventOfCode2020] IvenBach pushed 4 commits to main

skiwi

8:46 PM

Riots even worse now

IvenBach

Riots?

Simon Forsberg

@IvenBach Dutch covid riots

@Vogel612 Of course

@Vogel612 With these amounts of by-products? No way.

IvenBach

@skiwi Have fun ~~storming the castle~~ participating in your riots. Stay safe.

skiwi

Hmm nothing in my town luckily

IvenBach

mumble mumble riots again in Portland?

With everyone nowadays pulling out their phone and recording everything they all look like zombies when the held their hands up to get a better angle to record.

We do live it the time of the zombie apocalypse.

skiwi

9:00 PM

I saw a car in the other town last weekend that said Zombie Outbreak Team lol

Vogel612

9:29 PM

@SimonForsberg ... did you know you can turn ash into syngas at the cost of basically nothing and even get some iron out of it?

you just need coal processing 2 for the step of turning coal dust into ash and syngas

skiwi

9:47 PM

twitter.com/bosschenaortje/status/1353805123441618945

:/

Vogel612

@skiwi well ... it's a riot, what did you expect?

riot probably really isn't the right word though, is it?

skiwi

Riot is the right word

This has nothing to do with protests against whatever anymore

Vogel612

dunno, it feels like riot has the connotation of being the last resort of the oppressed

communal tantrum seems much more appropriate

skiwi

It's the scum of the population that uses anything as an argument to riot

Vogel612

that's kind of my point exactly..

skiwi

9:50 PM

I mean riot has a pretty negative connotation right? Protesting is usually used if it is for a 'cause'

At least that's what I thought

Vogel612

riot is violent, protest is peaceful I think ...

IvenBach

10:03 PM

Does anyone else try to debug code without using the editor? IE solely by reviewing the logic and seeing what is incorrect.

Vogel612

yes

that's usually my first step

IvenBach

I feel at a serious disadvantage since I learned with VBA and doing everything via the editor.

Vogel612

often resulting in me giving up and trying to step through where I think the problem might be

well, I started doing that when it became annoying to debug due to the buildtime involved in that

so if I had quick builds I'd probably always debug

IvenBach

Any suggestions on how to strengthen this skill?

Besides "practice"

Vogel612

actually rubberducking the code to someone as a first step

IvenBach

10:05 PM

I'm trying to write out by hand and really think through what I'm doing as an alternative.

Marc-Andre

I always read first to see where I want my debug points to see what information on the process I'm looking at currently.

Simon Forsberg

@Vogel612 Somehow it feels like there might be more interesting things to do with 100x Ash. I think I have seen the recipes before, but didn't think so much about it at that time. I don't think I am in any need of Syngas either

@Vogel612 Coal Processing 2... right... which just needs green science :)

I did however just add the research of Coal Processing 2 to the research queue

@IvenBach I use things like console.log or logger.info instead of debugging more times than I am willing to admit

Vogel612

@SimonForsberg ~shudder yea

Simon Forsberg

@Vogel612 You too? :)

Vogel612

the question probably is "who wouldn't"?

~sigh ... just queued 200 crafts for belts from scratch ...

Simon Forsberg

10:20 PM

@Vogel612 Yay!

Those small parts really help a lot

Vogel612

certainly

Simon Forsberg

There are some better recipes for both belts and small parts later on, very interesting and promising

Vogel612

closing in on 12 hours, but didn't even finish the second research ...

coal gas is such a cruel misstress

Simon Forsberg

Ah yes. Converting it to syngas definitely helped a lot for me

Vogel612

that needs more research, though.

Simon Forsberg

10:23 PM

but I imagine that converting wood -> coal -> coke should give you quite a bit of coal gas

of course ^^

Vogel612

oh, it does...

it's just that the energy value of it is so abysmal

and I don't want to build more steampowered wood processing thingies

that's at least part of why everything's so slow

I have 5 of these, that feels like it should be enough...

I may finally be getting close to permanently running a single glassworks for molten glass

Simon Forsberg

10:48 PM

@Vogel612 It is never enough

@Vogel612 That's a big step

Vogel612

I also finally have "excess tar" in my pipes

Simon Forsberg

Nice

Just be careful so that it doesn't flood the pipes

Vogel612

and I refactored stuff twice now...

Simon Forsberg

You don't have the overflow/underflow things yet, right?

Vogel612

not even remotely

that needs at least five more researches...

like ... steel, engines, fluid control

Simon Forsberg

10:49 PM

@Vogel612 I'm not sure if I have refactored stuff or not at all xD Feels like both in a way.

@Vogel612 ah, right

Well, at least you have your first science pack ^^

Vogel612

current research is logistics

I will use that to (again) refactor my power setup

currently I have two power grids (which means I already merged the first two)

Simon Forsberg

Speaking of science packs, one of my recorded but not yet published episodes is called "It's getting warmer" :)

Vogel612

more hot air for more science production, I guess?

Simon Forsberg

@Vogel612 Using what fuel? Coal/Coke?

Vogel612

first uses coal, the second uses a mixture of coal and coke

Simon Forsberg

10:52 PM

@Vogel612 For what kind of science production?

Vogel612

overflow from the first is supplementing the second, but that was never needed

Simon Forsberg

Are you using the seaweed approach or the wood approach to get coal/coke?

Vogel612

both

Simon Forsberg

ofc ^^

Vogel612

seaweed has the benefit of theoretically supporting an own power production

(and initially that's how it was set up)

Simon Forsberg

10:54 PM

I really think the wood processing is far superior. I think I built to have 20 slowwood forestries many episodes ago, then I fiddled around with the logistics in that part... mumble mumble... but it's a lot more efficient than seaweed

Vogel612

1st grid: seaweed to coke in a closed-loop with overflow feeding power for wood

Simon Forsberg

@Vogel612 wood processing also has that possibility, using steam

Vogel612

yea. that was the initial second grid

using that excess coke enabled steam for wood -> coal which was looped into the coke production of the first grid

I'm really only keeping the seaweed as a kickstarter fallback right now

Simon Forsberg

11:13 PM

Ah ok

Vogel612

bleargh ... why can a glasswork not just burn coal?

Simon Forsberg

Haha

Because... that's not how it works? Or something

Vogel612

well, it would be weird to have a glass furnace that burns coal in the real world

Simon Forsberg

yep

Vogel612

the necessary temperatures are just not reachable without introducing impurities in the glass, I think

it works for iron because stacking iron ore and coal together and lighting it on fire is a fairly decent reciepe for iron

Makes you wonder: how would civilization have turned out if that "reciepe was not as good as it is

FINALLY

IvenBach

11:39 PM

AoC Day18 mumble mumble infix vs polish vs reverse-polish notation mumble

Tests pass but input doesn't. Going through reddit for some breadcrumbs.

Simon Forsberg

@IvenBach Shunting yard algorithm. All you need.

IvenBach

Shunting what? Off to RTFM about that.

Vogel612

shunting yard is basically a more efficient AST rearrangement using a stack IINM

IvenBach

AST?

Simon Forsberg

IINM?

IvenBach

11:49 PM

If I'm Not Mistaken (IINM)

Vogel612

Abstract Syntax Tree

IvenBach

Farther out than what I can understand presently.

Simon Forsberg

Abstract Syntax Tree is essentially a nice way of structuring how a program works

Vogel612

@IvenBach what rubberduck is working off of

Simon Forsberg

And ~~Rubberfuck~~ Brainduck

Vogel612

11:54 PM

you can make an AST for other things than "programs" as well

Simon Forsberg

Not that I've worked on Brainduck for years, but still

Vogel612

arithmetic expressions is one of these things

IvenBach

The only inkling I had was to ask about RD and parsing.

Simon Forsberg

4 + 6 * 3
becomes:
ADD:
- 4
- MULTIPLY:
  - 6
  - 3

IIRC

IvenBach

Are these considered advanced topics?

Simon Forsberg

11:57 PM

A bit more advanced than the common coding topics probably

but like all things, once you know it it's easier

IvenBach

yeah....

Vogel612

that depends on the precedence rules of the grammar, actually

Simon Forsberg

I can't say I remember exactly how AST's works, but I remember it and I know that when I am faced with a problem like AoC Day 18, I know Shunting yard algorithm is the right tool for the job

Vogel612

most grammars would not know exactly how the operator precedence works except by the order of rules

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