The Frying Pan

Preston Fitzgerald

00:29

Sounds like a lot of food. Mmm.

Jolenealaska

07:34

@rumtscho I did it! :)

I am very impressed with my bad-ass self!

@ElendilTheTall Lookie, lookie what I did! :)

ElendilTheTall

08:14

@jolenealaska b-e-a-utiful!

And the croissants aren't bad either ;)

Jolenealaska

They sure are! :)

This time I even get to the picture on main since it relates to gigili's (who we haven't seen in a while) question about puff pastry.

I am editing my answer to include it right this second.

I even left the picture full-sized cause it's so pretty.

Tom W

08:31

awesome

Jolenealaska

I just sent that picture to my dad!

ElendilTheTall

08:49

Clean up on aisle D!

Jolenealaska

hheee:)

ElendilTheTall

I am also indulging in some French baking today - baguettes

If they turn out as well as those croissants I will post un photo

Actually they will have to be demi baguettes to fit in my ovens, but you get the idea

Tom W

I've shipped out all my kitchen gear :(

no baking for me

Jolenealaska

That sounds good too. I was considering baguettes when the conversation turned to croissants.

Tom W

not that there was much to start with

ElendilTheTall

08:51

Not with that attitude

Jolenealaska

I'm tickled that I could find an excuse to post the picture on main. See? I really CAN cook!

Tom W

I'm sure nobody doubts that!

ElendilTheTall

I had my doubts....

runs away

Jolenealaska

I knew you were going to say that!

Tom W

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Jolenealaska

09:02

I made a few Pain au Chocolat too, but I pulled them out of the oven I realized that I should have used about three times as much chocolate. I froze a few unbaked croissants, so when I defrost them I'll fill them with chocolate.

@TomW Ha, I'd never seen that, but that voice is sure unmistakable!

Tom W

:D

I'm apparently the only person in the world that likes it

I think the haters are aggrieved comic book nerds who insist it's unfaithful, though. I've never read them so I wouldn't know.

Jolenealaska

Is he a superhero or a futuristic cop?

Tom W

cop

oh man, watch it

detach your brain beforehand

Jolenealaska

What's it called?

Tom W

Judge Dredd

the old one, not the new one

Jolenealaska

09:07

rated 5.4 on IMDb

imdb.com/title/tt0113492/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Tom W

Yeah. It got widely panned

the mood is similar to Robocop, if you've seen that

so cheesy as hell and really freakin' dumb, but fun

Jolenealaska

I didn't see Robocop either, but at least I've heard of that one.

Jolenealaska

09:23

@ElendilTheTall Does the OP get notified if an answer gets edited? I see that Gigili has been on main as recently as yesterday, and I want to be sure she sees that edit.

I can't remember if I've ever seen a notification like that or not.

@Mien I thought of you when I saw this. It looks good, I've got a chicken in the freezer, I think I'm going to try this: saveur.com/article/Recipes/…

Jolenealaska

10:17

OMG!

This is beef chuck!

A notoriously tough cut unless long braised.

Tom W

what was it supposed to be?

Jolenealaska

I sous vide it at 131F.

My book recommends 48-60 hours.

Tom W

lean looks good, fat doesn't

Jolenealaska

I was dying to try it, so I pulled that one at 30 hours, I'm going to let the other go until tomorrow.

That's just 'cause the fat is thick on chuck, it tastes great.

I gave it a quick sear in a NASA hot cast iron pan (30 seconds per side)

I swear, blindfolded, I would have guessed it to be rib-eye.

Tom W

that's 30 seconds?

Wow.

Jolenealaska

10:23

like I said...HOT!

About 500C

notice no grey border at all?

I could cut this with a butter knife.

as a matter of fact, I just did. In 3 strokes.

From now on I can have steak whenever I want, 'cause chuck is cheap! On sale, i can get it for a third of the price of rib eye.

Good GOD that's good!

This is as good as any steak I've ever had.

Tom W

awesome

Jolenealaska

I thought Dad was going to shit himself about the croissants, but wow, wait until he sees this!

@ElendilTheTall Check this out!!! (look up)

Tom W

I saw a sous vide machine on sale the other day

did not buy

Jolenealaska

And no need to rest, I cut it 5 seconds after I pulled it from the pan.

Tom W

opened packaging

Jolenealaska

10:35

I got this one:

amazon.com/Anova-Sous-Vide-Immersion-Circulator/dp/B00GT753W8/…

Apparently there's a new Anova for the same price or even less, but Anova is sold out until sometime in January.

Tom W

I think it was this one johnlewis.com/sousvide-svs-09l-supreme-demi-water-oven/…

Jolenealaska

A lot more expensive, and takes up more space.

Tom W

yep

Jolenealaska

You can use a lot bigger container with the Anova too.

I was surprised how heavy it is. It's super easy. Touch screen, pick C or F (goes to tenths in C, whole numbers in F) set the number by touching each digit 0-9 times, then on. You can set the timer if you want. That's it. There's a minimum and maximum water level marked on the side.

The clamp is sturdy, no way to knock it over accidentally.

Tom W

are you being paid by them or? :P

Jolenealaska

10:45

My guess is that just about everyone that has gotten one of these has sounded just like me for a few days.

:)

It was just a couple of years ago that you couldn't touch souse vide for less than $700.

This costs less than a Le Creuset Dutch oven!

It's funny, it's going about 10 feet from me. The machine itself barely makes any noise, but the water moving is white noise. I might be able to set it up in my bedroom and stop wearing earplugs!

Tom W

I think the discomfort of having something stuffed in my ears would override any benefit of earplugs, personally

Jolenealaska

I have one brand that I like and that are perfectly comfortable. All others hurt my ears.

The New Anova is $20 less with upgrades that that a lot of people would like, but would make no difference to me:

Tom W

one of these days maybe I'll try it

currently sitting here stewing in my anger at stupid people in call centres making life difficult for me

Jolenealaska

11:05

terminal hold?

Tom W

not even attempted to actually call them yet today

so the plan was to camp out monday at my new place and wait for i) fridge delivery and ii) gas engineer

but I stupidly decided that the finance deal on the fridge was a good idea, and it hasn't gone straight through automatically like I expected it to and have had no response, and if nobody's in at the weekend there's no way they'll ship it for monday

If that's not going to be monday, I need to know when to book the gas engineer for

I hate calling people because they usually don't know anything

one of those situations where everything is held up by everything else

Jolenealaska

I hate calling people just cause I hate the phone.

Tom W

that too

Jolenealaska

If I don't want to the person, then I really hate the phone!

Tom W

If I call the appliance people, cancel that and just pay directly, I expect I'll get two bills, if not two fridges

Jolenealaska

11:10

My ring tone is Do You Here the People Sing from Les Miserables. That's the only thing that has kept me from flushing the damn thing.

Yep!

Tom W

I'm trying to decide which is the least painful and confusing route, and there isn't one

Factoring in that people who work in call centres are usually stupid, and CRM systems are usually rubbish

Jolenealaska

I'd say you're correct on both counts. The one exception I've found is Amazon. They're doing something right, cause every time I've called them (maybe 8 times) they have quickly and pleasantly solved whatever problem I was having.

Tom W

it's news to me that you can call amazon

Jolenealaska

Yep. Actually you tell them that you want them to call you, either right away or whatever time you want. If you say right away, the phone rings immediately.

When I had had my Kindle for about a month, I broke it by stepping on it. They Fed Exed me a new one, I received it the next day. I put the old one in the box and shipped it back to them. They paid the shipping both ways, didn't charge me a dime.

Tom W

well I never

Jolenealaska

11:24

It took 1 phone call and about 1 minute.

Tom W

charged my kindle yesterday for the first time in about two years

Jolenealaska

At best I was hoping for a discount on a new one.

Tom W

took so long to show any activity I'd assumed it was dead for a while

Jolenealaska

I use mine every day. My new sous vide cookbook is on it, and I play scrabble on it all the time. I don't think I've read a book with pages in two years.

Tom W

I have a fair few professional books on there

usually use the chrome app or my phone though

Jolenealaska

11:32

I would say that my Kindle is in my top 5 prized possessions.

One of my favorite things is that if somebody recommends a book, I can have the book in my possession in about 2 minutes. Of course you can do that with your apps too, but I think the Kindle was first.

Tom W

I would love for other ebook retailers to be able to link up properly with the kindle library

a lot of the stuff I buy is in deals from IT book vendors that would either not be on Amazon or be unreasonably expensive, and they let you download them directly in as many different formats as you can think of, but getting them onto a kindle breaks the suspension of disbelief

Jolenealaska

My circulator just turned off. After 32 hours, the water level had reached the minimum line. I put about 6 cups of cold water in. After restarting, the temp rose about 3 degrees a minute.

That surprises me, I'd think the kindle format would be pretty much the default.

Tom W

there's Apple ebooks, they're a different format

and there's another open format, I can't remember which is which

and PDF

you can just send files to a kindle by email, but it's not as seamless as the library sync

Jolenealaska

11:58

I'm writing another email to Dad, thanking him for the circulator. When I finish I'm going to post it here, 'cause it's all about how cool the toy is.

Tom W

12:51

Damn, these things are like a nuclear bomb of sugar greggs.co.uk/news/introducing-the-greggsnut

just had a caramel pecan version

I don't eat sugary stuff very often, and something that sweet sometimes makes me nauseous. This is one of those times

Jolenealaska

They look it!

I used to drink Mountain Dew, like a 6-pack a shift. I quit soda cold-turkey a few years ago. I tasted one not long ago and it was like drinking pancake syrup.

Tom W

Eesh

I've heard U.S. soft drinks are usually made with HFCS and they're sicklier than those made with cane sugar

buddy who went there a few times wasn't impressed with the coke

Jolenealaska

one Caramel Pecan Greggsnut has 437 calories.

Tom W

:D

I wonder whether that will hold the hunger until dinner. Probably not.

Jolenealaska

I tried to find out how much sugar, but I couldn't find it.

Tom W

13:01

My problem with calories is that there aren't enough of them

Jolenealaska

Yeah, most sodas here are HFCS, but I don't think it's really any worse than sugar.

I think it's like MSG, much ado about nothing.

Tom W

NOTHING keeps me satisfied until the next meal. I can eat pretty much anything in quantities that are quite frankly uncomfortable, and I'll still be so hungry I can't concentrate on anything else by the next mealtime. It's pretty irritating, actually

Jolenealaska

I wish I had that relationship with calories.

I can totally forget to eat some days, I don't realize it until the next day.

Tom W

It's at the point that I'm wondering whether I have some kind of metabolic oddity that means I'm not actually getting those calories, because I should be obese for the amount I eat, never mind the beer I drink

Jolenealaska

The only thing I know of that can do that is an overactive thyroid.

Tom W

13:04

Um.

I just looked up the symptoms

Jolenealaska

Mine is underactive, I take a pill once a day of thyroid hormone.

Tom W

There are a couple. Very mild, mostly.

Jolenealaska

Yep, of all things that can be wrong with a body, an out of whack thyroid is pretty minor.

ElendilTheTall

Tapeworm?

Jolenealaska

Forgot about that one!

Tom W

13:06

Wouldn't rule it out!

ElendilTheTall

How do you eat your steak?

Tom W

@ElendilTheTall no campylobacter making itself known so far btw, thanks for your concern

ElendilTheTall

There's a 5 day incubation period

Jolenealaska

Speaking of steak, did you see my picture, Tall?

ElendilTheTall

This time Thursday you could well be losing weight fast, let alone putting it on

Picture won't load on mobile.

But I trust you implicitly.

Jolenealaska

13:09

During the 50s, I think, someone was selling tapeworm eggs as a diet thing.

Bummer, well, you can see it later. It's cool, no grey border at all, just a perfect medium rare and beef chuck so tender I could cut it with a fork.

I'm writing an email right now telling my dad. Aisle D is going to need another cleaning.

Tom W

apparently black walnut (possibly the shells) and certain herbs are meant to rid one of tapeworms. I'd better get eating those, just in case

Jolenealaska

Awesome steak for the price of hamburger! You know, consider that. The circulator could pay for itself pretty quickly. The new one is only $179.

ElendilTheTall

@TomW Or you could, y'know, go to a doctor...

Jolenealaska

And Amazon has a vacuum sealer for $39. Unless it's coming in another shipment, Dad didn't get me that. The Ziplocs leaked on my steak, but it didn't seem to hurt anything.

I could tell you how to tell if you have a tapeworm, but it's kind of gross to say.

Tom W

If I go to a doctor claiming I've got a tapeworm I think I'd be shown the door

Jolenealaska

13:19

not really, they do happen

Tom W

I said I wasn't fat. I didn't say I had alarming weight loss or inability to put on weight

Jolenealaska

I know, you know you don't have a tapeworm.

You could have an overactive thyroid though. That's not something a doctor would normally test for without suspecting it. It's a cheap and easy blood test.

It's pretty common too, although underactive is even more common.

ElendilTheTall

You don't have to go claiming you have a tapeworm, go and tell them you seem to be unable to gain weight

That's what you pay your national insurance for

Jolenealaska

Useless trivia for the day: Dogs commonly have underactive thyroids, overactive is very rare. Cats commonly have overactive thyroids, underactive is very rare.

Tom W

life be glitchy

and as for the human knee...

Broken by design.

Jolenealaska

13:34

Yes....Proof that evolution is a tinkerer, not an engineer. (not my line, but I like it)

That reminds me @ElendilTheTall , did you watch any of those "True Facts" videos?

Jolenealaska

14:06

OOH I just got an email from Amazon, the seal-a-meal is on sale for $30, and the rolls are on sale too. Too bad I have no money until the end of the month.

ElendilTheTall

14:17

@Jolenealaska no, 'fraid not

Baguettes!

pre-shaping

shaped and nestling in the couch

Jolenealaska

Neato!

ElendilTheTall

Jolenealaska

wow, done already?!

Looks yummy!

ElendilTheTall

not the best crumb ever, but nutty and crisp

Jolenealaska

When you can, you really should watch at least the Leaf-Mimic Katydid (you'll see why it made me think of you) and the Marsupial one (funny, funny). The videos are actually a bit educational, but mostly they are hysterical.

The baguettes look awesome.

That's going to be my next project I think. Did you use an online recipe?

ElendilTheTall

14:32

I used the one from the Look Inside! view of Hamelman's Bread book on Amazon :)

Jolenealaska

That's convenient!

Got it. 0.13oz yeast.

3.7g

Would you recommend the recipe?

Ah, it gives teaspoons, my gram scale can stay in the drawer.

Does that say 1/8 tsp or 1/4 tsp for the pre-ferment?

ElendilTheTall

14:52

It's fine, yes. Watch the videos online too

Search hamelman on YouTube

ElendilTheTall

15:19

1/8

It stays at room temperature for 12 hours so it only needs a tiny amount of yeast

Jolenealaska

I watched the first three or four of the videos when you posted the link. I'll watch the rest later today.

ElendilTheTall

4th one is perhaps the most important. Gotta get tension when you shape or you get paddles rather than tubes

Jolenealaska

Ah, so I watched 3, cause I didn't see that.

Tom W

15:38

first for everything: I bought paint

Jolenealaska

Hey hey! Paint! You'll probably get some plumbing experience your new purchase too. :)

I'm not generally crazy about turkey, but this looks really good. I think this will be what I do next Thanksgiving:

seriouseats.com/2013/11/…

Tom W

mmm

Tom W

16:03

I had a good strategy. I walked around for a long time looking thoughtful, reading labels, consulting my list and looking at my phone. That way it looks as though whatever I'm doing is my plan.

Jolenealaska

:)

I have spent the last 3 hours answering questions on Amazon about the sous vide unit.

Hmmm...It's rumored that Bruce Jenner is going to become a woman.

Tom W

who?

Jolenealaska

Bruce Jenner

William Bruce Jenner (born October 28, 1949) is a former U.S. track and field athlete and current motivational speaker, television personality, and businessman. He won the gold medal in the decathlon at the 1976 Summer Olympics held in Montreal. Following his Olympic victory and the related recognition, his professional career led to new success in television. By 1981, he had starred in several made-for-TV movies and was Erik Estrada's replacement briefly on the top-rated TV series CHiPs. In 1991, he married Kris Jenner (née Houghton, previously Kardashian). Since the 2007 debut of the cabl...

He's very famous here.

Tom W

I'm glad I didn't know

Jolenealaska

16:18

He's on a reality show (which I have never seen), if it's true, ratings will go off the charts.

Tom W

I'm afraid I'm aware of who the Kardashians are

much as that galls me

Jolenealaska

I'm aware, but I couldn't pick one out a line up.

I could pick out Jenner though.

Hmmm, looking at Google, it appears that the rumors are true.

He had surgery a year ago to remove (or make invisible, I guess) his Adam's Apple, and lots of articles report about the sex change.

Wow...born in 1949. Pretty late in life for this.

Tom W

It strikes me as odd that someone of that age would 'discover' that about themselves. That they wanted to be the other gender, I mean

yeah, my thoughts exactly

Jolenealaska

Just recently pictures of him in drag were in the tabloids (seen while in the grocery line, I don't read that nonsense), and I was surprised at that. A sex change is waaaay unexpected.

I even guessed that he was dressed for Halloween (for the nanoseconds I thought about it)

Bruce Jenner is a transsexual (or whatever transsexuals are called before the surgery), and it appears that Bill Cosby is a rapist. Heck of a month for American celebrities.

Jolenealaska

17:05

hmmm

I had moved on to other things, that was in my email as "breaking news".

ElendilTheTall

For a second there I thought you'd given the lie to your assertion that you resembled Catherine Zeta-Jones @Jolenealaska

Jolenealaska

HA!

I'm glad you're here, I've got a question for you.

I keep getting this:

but when I hit check for updates, nothing comes up.

And it says it won't activate, cause it's vulnerable. I tell it to run anyway and it seems normal. Until it pops up again, which is every time there's a video on the page I am on.

Also, is this correct? I know that the vanilla isn't included, but is there anything else?

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A: Can I substitute 70% chocolate for unsweetened chocolate in a cake recipe?

Cocoa butter is a cocoa solid. 70% chocolate means that 30% is sugar. The 70 % is made up of cocoa and cocoa butter (and usually a bit of vanilla).

@ElendilTheTall One more question. Look at the comments here, do you agree that the comment is rude?

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Q: Impact of using egg yolks vs whites in a spaghetti dish?

I'm making a dish that calls for several egg yolks and 1 full egg (all scrambled together) to be poured over hot spaghetti and cooked salt pork (to cook the egg), and I'm wondering how much of a difference using yolks vs using whites makes. If I could use the entire egg, I would be able to use l...

ElendilTheTall

17:33

@jolenealaska OK. Just download Adobe Flash player from the Adobe site afresh.

Jolenealaska

OK, I'll do that.

ElendilTheTall

The percentage of chocolate refers to the total percentage of products derived from the cocoa bean, so yes, cocoa butter and cocoa solids.

Jolenealaska

Yes, but anything else but sugar and maybe vanilla in the remaining percentage?

ElendilTheTall

Sometimes soy lecithin I believe

As an emulsifier

Milk, in milk chocolate

Jolenealaska

Ah yes, I've seen that in some. I thought of milk, but I've never seen milk chocolate labeled as some percentage of cacao, so I mentally dismissed it.

ElendilTheTall

17:41

As for the comment... A little rude, and somewhat useless

Tom W

p.s. who hasn't heard of spaghetti carbonara?

Jolenealaska

I don't know why it really bugged me, but it did.

I had that thought too!

It bugged me enough to say something, I don't know....maybe just because I've hated getting that "let me Google that for you" thing.

I'm going to comment on that chocolate question that it is close, but not completely correct.

Jolenealaska

18:02

@Jolenealaska: My comment was in reference to the question as it was originally posted in which it was spelled "yokes". I don't believe I had edit rights at the time so I left the comment. I shouldn't have been so cryptic. – Dennis Williamson 4 mins ago

@DennisWilliamson I'm glad you responded. I'll delete my comment. – Jolenealaska 1 min ago

Jolenealaska

18:18

This is cute :)

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ElendilTheTall

22:05

Pet Peeve of the Day: when people use the word 'text' (verb) when they mean 'texted'. 'I text my friend yesterday'. No, you TEXTED him. You wouldn't say 'I call my friend yesterday'. It's something to do with how - xt sort of sounds like an - ed ending. Like texed. Nnnggg.

Cerberus

Ouch.

Unless you are talking about speech, that is awful.

In speech, it's not so strange to have -consonant-t-ed sound like -consonant-t.

Tom W

22:25

I must admit I say that

but then I bet at least one of the persons here present says "co-worker"

Cerberus

23:34

@TomW Possibly. I avoid the word myself, but why do you dislike it?

Preston Fitzgerald

I always find "colleague" to sound a little stuffy/pretentious

I usually go with coworker

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