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12:01 AM
Batman took levels in some insane variant of Paladin. When a Paladin takes levels in anything other than Paladin, you cannot continue levelling up as a Paladin ever again, in some editions. Batman was in way, way too deep before he noticed his variant of Paladin was making him insane, but at that point he didn't want to forgo ever being able to put more levels into his main class ever again. (That'd be suboptimal!)
So, Batman continues being Batman, and becoming even more insane as Batman, and never puts a single level into something that doesn't make him more insane.
 
Heh.
 
That may have been completely off topic. Carry on!
 
The basic rule framework of 4 was based on 3, but heavily modified by concepts of stuff like chainmail
 
@Aviose I am suddenly intensely curious in what way 4e resembles chainmail
I do not know the contents of chain mail though :'(
 
I played the D&D Minis game but not Chainmail.
 
12:10 AM
@waxeagle ken needs the google hangouts link can you drop it here
@doppelgreener disagree with your views of batman
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith I will when I kick it up, yeah
 
I just kicked it lol
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith maybe we have read different batman comics! what are yours?
 
Not the original chainmail, the version where they tried to rename D&D minis...
The structure of powers was a major part of it.
 
@doppelgreener most of miller, all of New 52 batman, other key graphic novels such as long halloween
basically all of DCU animated
@doppelgreener Im not denying that that his purpose or the initial decision to remake himself is not irrational, but that doesnt make it crazy
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith ah yes... I have read select few outliers. I've read the one that cemented the Joker's origin story, one exploring a future where Superman effectively becomes a US military pawn (and gets into a fist-fight with Batman who's in a mechanised suit), and I can't remember the others because it was so long ago. At least one probably explored the idea of Batman just being entirely disconnected and possibly psychotic.
 
@RobertF you ready?
 
batman fights superman in The Dark Knight Returns
Your last sentence is probably a based on cynical critics read of All Star Batman and Robin
he starts out a bit over the edge in that because hes still new to crime fighting and hes got a lot of emotional baggage he hasnt come to grips yet
 
I'm here
 
12:27 AM
but through mentoring robin he becomes the batman we come to expect generally
 
Many real-life heroes are technically psychotic... just not in the psycho killer sense we tend to assume
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith naw, i haven't read any critics - i just read the comics and discuss them with one of my friends sometimes. I really did just read a comic by an author who decided to explore that possibility of batman's story.
Yeah I just mean psychotic as in mentally unglued from reality.
 
1:12 AM
eh still disagree
but I agree to disagree
and will not press the point to try to change your opinion
 
1:40 AM
@waxeagle check the text for the adjoining room
 
2:28 AM
@waxeagle I believe there is ingredients/recipie for pot of invis
 
3:00 AM
@waxeagle thanks again
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith np
 
 
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Q: How do I upgrade adventures to 5ed?

dblanchettBefore I get into the details I just want to mention that I'm working in a remote area right now and don't have access to the 5ed starter kit, just the downloadable pdfs. I'm looking for advice on how to upgrade adventures/encounters from older versions of D&D to 5ed. This looks like it would b...

 
 
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8:37 AM
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Q: Casting spells in armor

thomaxI've just read the D&D 5e basic rules, and I'm not sure I'm up to speed regarding casting spells while clad in armor. The only mention I can find about this (page 79): Because of the mental focus and precise gestures required for spellcasting, you must be proficient with the armor you are w...

 
 
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12:41 PM
herro
 
12:57 PM
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Q: Ranger Whirlwind Attack vs Extra Attack and Horde Breaker

AndrásWhirlwind Attack: You can use your action to make a melee attack against any number of creatures within 5 feet of you, with a separate attack roll for each target. Am I right that Whirlwind Attack can not be used with Extra Attack, because you do not use the Attack action? Generally, can ...

 
1:30 PM
well that galeforce9 token set looks utterly worthless
 
1:41 PM
@waxeagle - Great game last night!
I noticed combat was quick - I've read complaints that combat in D&D (especially 4e) can sometimes take hours to resolve, but that wasn't an issue last night.
 
@RobertF yes, combat in 4e typically takes at least an hour
@RobertF Thanks!, yeah I was definitely impressed. A surprise round makes a huge difference at least against those guys
note that basically everything you fought last night was CR 1/2, so you guys should have wiped them as easily as you did
(except the wizard)
 
Yes - so if we hadn't surprised the wizard leading the Redbrands, would we have been in serious trouble?
 
@RobertF not really no, he was only CR 1, at most he would have gotten one attack action
if you come into his bedroom the other way, he's already warned and is gone
something I'm noticing is that unlike in 4e, short rests are much rarer, like once ever 3-4 combats unless the party gets messed up
though that may be different in an area with more challenging encounters
 
Ah - he didn't expect us to find the secret door. Of course we did leave 4 bugbears untouched, who may continue to molest the town...
 
@RobertF they may. Or they may appear later somewhere else...who knows :)
@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, that's a skip for me. There are so many better products out there for htat
 
1:50 PM
Yes indeed. There are also a few Redbrands hanging out in their favorite tavern in town whom we didn't visit (unless they were the four we defeated in the showdown outside the temple).
 
@RobertF getting rid of glass-staff is pretty much the end of the Redbrand incursion into Phandalin, they cut and run now that their leader is captive
 
I was thinking, now that glass-staff has been captured & will no doubt be serving time...perhaps he could be convinced to continue working on his potions while in prison in exchange for a few gp allowance. Although that may be a dangerous proposition.
 
2:44 PM
@waxeagle those misty steps
@waxeagle @robertf I think as a GM in a general campaign setting Id have to make calls on whether or not a monster would stumble upon the party short resting in a dungeon
basically scope out a behaviour pattern for all the monsters and where they are to start and then roll to see how they move
A gelatinous cube would just be sliding along all day and all night
but sentient enemies would probably follow a set patrol schedule
@waxeagle apparently the eldritch knight gets access to a cantrip that grants advantage
 
3:05 PM
I liked the small touches in the Redbrand hideout: the barrels of food & the source of fresh water (although we didn't encounter any privies - where were they going to the bathroom?). Their hideout seemed very plausible & functional. Some older dungeons I played as a kid were pretty silly in hindsight, such as the Lost City Basic D&D module, where monsters inhabited separate rooms on each level of the pyramid w/out interacting with each other. Who knows what they were eating and drinking?
 
I always enjoyed the Caves of Chaos as an intricate dungeon
 
3:20 PM
the supplies are actually listed
salt pork
salt beef
sugar, flour, apples
 
3:32 PM
@waxeagle I dont have kids but you could probably weigh in on this, I think its off topic though
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Q: New to Tabletops. Have kids. Advice?

DanA friend of mine picked up the starter kit for 5E. After some discussion, we have 4 players and a DM ready to start a campaign. Three of us have little or no experience, while the other two have a few games under their belts but still think of themselves as novices. Between the group members, we...

 
3:51 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith burns an action to get it though. So you'd have to burn your Action surge to get it on the same turn (and it's concentration, so have fun with that :))
@JoshuaAslanSmith that's a serious challenge actually. Probably OT depending on what the answers are...( things like get a baby sitter or put them to bed/hand them iPads/books before you play are more parenting.se decision than rpg.se stuff)
 
Its a bonus action spell I thought
right I voted to close for that reason
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith it's the wiz's True Strike
 
ah its not a bonus action but the attack would be because
a r M a g ic
Beginning at 7th level, when you use your action to
cast a cantrip, you can make one w eapon attack as a
bonus action.
 
gotcha
 
so thats coolish
 
3:58 PM
so you can attack twice or get advantage and attack once...that's not a bad trade
 
yep
and at lvl 18 it applies to all spells
 
that certainly reduces the opportunity cost significantly
 
yeop
though the eldritch knight is losing out on extra attacks
really wish it was, when you make an attack attack you can also cast a cantrip before or after the attack
that feels more inline with the fighter
because right now the eldtrich knight features are fighting with the core class features
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, depriving yourself of extra attacks isn't helpful to the class (though it balances if you're using attacking cantrips)
 
I dont think it balances at all
compare eldritch to champion
champion is getting those extra attacks with expanded crit
their health regen
and their bonus to physical checsk
*checks
@waxeagle care to cast a VTC in on that question
 
4:07 PM
it's trading a ton of utlity though. My guess is 50%+ of their casting is out of combat
@JoshuaAslanSmith already have
 
@waxeagle danke
sigh answers on questions where VTC is a valid concern
I mean that question I answered on the ranger is borderline in the same territory
it just barely works though
 
4:32 PM
trying to troubleshoot computer boot issues from 9 hrs away sucks
 
5:06 PM
One of the comps I want to do is between a Fighter 10/wiz 10 and an EK. I'm curious how two sets of class features to 10 does vs 20 levels of class features
 
5:27 PM
yeah great point
 
6:00 PM
hmmm I think too many features hinge on reactions
this might be the 4e player in me though since opp attacks seem to rarely if ever happen
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, exactly, opportunity attacks are rare, so having other things to spend your reaction on isn't a big deal. It's like immediates in 4e (as long as you weren't a classic defender)
 
6:27 PM
yep
however theres a feat that makes you a 4e defender
sooo yeah
cant be spending those reactions then
@waxeagle for your comparison would you do evocation on both the knight and the hybrid
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith the proper comp is probably evocation since EK is aimed there. I might see what abjuration looks like though because that's the EK's other school
abjuration is freaking cool for a melee character though
 
warding, shields, and banishment
yeah
toats
 
wizard is pretty solid for taking 10 levels of, gives you your second and third school powers
 
yep was just looking at that
and fighter gets 3 outta 5 martial archetype featrues
 
I mean the wizards final 2 class features are huge, but casting L1 spells at-will isn't a huge deal for a fighter I don't think
 
6:34 PM
yeah
 
10 levels of fighter gives you 3 archetype features, action surge, second wind, and one use of indomitable, plus 2 attacks
10th level wiz gets up to 5th level spells. Obviously you take Fighter as your initial class since you don't care about skills probably (or you'll patch them with a feat later)
 
or your backgroudn right away!
Sage gives you skill prof in arcana and history
 
races... no one gets str and int.... so human, half elf, or go dex fighter (not recommended)
Half elf helps with skill issues too
 
Str int even in 4e is a toughy
 
I think I'd go human and take the variant, boost int and str
 
6:40 PM
mos def
make that anti-mage
both of those builds would be very funny with mage killer
anti-wizard
 
great flavor too
 
I know right
 
Mage Hunter
 
yep correct
I definitely think Ill build a paladin with oath of vengeance and that
 
you're basically the guy from HP with the crazy eye whose name is escaping me. Moody, mad eye moody
 
6:42 PM
and just laugh as every magic user is defeated
Batman paladin ftw
 
Ok, I'm going to build these later. Probably put them in PDFs on my google drive and tweet them at Rob Donoghue (Because he was wondering in his blog 'bout that)
 
7:07 PM
ueaj
*yeah
hmmm hunter's mark is much better than I originally thought
I was like meh, concentration, duration 1 hour, only 1d6 extra damage, though the adv on perception or survival checks to track the creature is cool
but then I read about it being transferable to another creature if the spell is still up, and I was like, hot dog
some of those paladin oath of vengeance spells just feel off
bane seems like, Ill spend my turn helping the wizard/sorc/warlock
protection from energy seems of very limited use
scrying is cool but again not terribly useful
and while I like banishment there is a 5th level spell called banishing smite which is sooo much more paladin
@waxeagle Im probably always going to roll with the custom background rules as a GM. Pick a feature (or make one of similar power and out of combat utility), pick 2 skills, pick 2 or mix and match tool prof and langugage, and then crib a background item pack or just use your class gold
 
7:59 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith - So we need to discuss a gameplan for the next 5e session with waxeagle. Do we want to sweep thru the easy side adventures (like the banshee lair) to gather magic items & loot, then take on Cragmoor Castle at the end? Bet we could even hire a few folks in the town (such as the retired adventurer + the priestess) to beef up our party.
The fellow Glass-staff was corresponding with, Black Spider, is the chief bad guy at Cragmoor, is that right?
 
8:24 PM
@RobertF We cant hire anyone to fight for us
the goblin will probably be our friend
but as we saw hes not really combat capable
we have no idea where the blackspider will be
we know from the goblin interrogation that klarg was sent from cragmaw
from session 1
we also know that the bugbears in the redguard hideout were sent by black spider but bugbears are common enough so eh?
Im in favor of doing a bunch of sidequests
so its not heavy combat dungeon crawl back to back
 
Sounds good. If the party donned our confiscated Redbrand cloaks (and my wiz even disguised himself in Glass-staff's robes) wonder if we could walk right into Cragmaw unopposed, posing as a delegation from the Redbrand Hideout?
 
 
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11:57 PM
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Q: Highest AC possible for Sorcerer?

XerosigmaWhat is the highest Armor Class achievable for a Sorcerer with the Sorcerous Origin of Dragon Bloodline? Player's Handbook Chapter 6 variant rules included. (Multiclassing, Feats, etc.)

 

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