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ave
ave
08:43
@user1721135 Type C visa is not for jobseeking. If you plan to seek jobs, you must apply for the appropriate visa type which will be issued as type D. If you had planned to seek jobs and still applied for the easier Type C visa, that is lying on the application which is illegal, and if done systematically ("we sponsor your type C visa so that you can seek jobs elsewhere"), that's human trafficking.
Type C is still allowed to come for a job interview but not for job seeking as a whole as far as I know, but as always: If you lie on your application or at the border, that's illegal. If you get a visa saying "I'll work here seasonally, then I'll go have an interview at this company" and the visa is approved, that should be fine.
Of course one's plans can change and that is allowed, but that's why I'm differentiating investigation vs actually criminally charging someone. Former can just conclude "the people just did it on their own, there's nothing systemic here".
 
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user1721135
user1721135
09:55
Seasonal visa works like this: an employer registers you as a seasonal worker (its not a permit, its a registration), after that you get a schengen visa without limitations. At the same time regulations say, you are allowed to apply for a long term work permit while already in the country, as long as you are legally in the country.
These people do work as seasonal workers, it is not a lie. When they have a few free days or whatever they are allowed to visit any country, according to their visa. Regulation says you can apply for a long term work permit, unless you are illegally in the countr…
On top an application for long term work permit counts as visa extension, until a decision is reached.
Besides human trafficking implies there is a victim, but nevermind, I am only interested if this is truly illegal or if its just countries bending and twisting schengen and EU laws, to limit the free movement.
Or lets try this the other way around: I know there are tons of seasonal workers in the next country over. I run a facebook ad for my farm, I take 20 of them for my company and other companies. Am I a trafficker because I recruit from an EU country? Even though its specifically stated an applicant for long term permit can be in the country while applying?
The EU and Schengen has made it easy for people to move around, but when people use these regulations its human trafficking? Maybe there are laws being broken, but so far I don't understand which laws have been broken. Nobody can explain it to me spefically. I even asked a politician friend. He couldn't answer me except that "its bad and not allowed".
 
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ave
ave
11:09
@user1721135 job seeking, as an activity, requires a different visa, at least in Germany. digital.diplo.de/navigator/fr/visa/overview/job-seeker-beruf I was wrong and I think it's type C, but the endorsements will say it's for job seeking. Notably, you can upgrade from a job seeker visa to a work residence permit in Germany, but not from a tourist visa (or many other type C visas).
@user1721135 see my message above. It does not imply victimhood of a person. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_passport_scandal is one where people willingly paid to get a passport type they did not qualify for, they were illegally issued them, and then they traveled thru normal means and started overstaying. There's no victims or unwillingness here except maybe for the country they are now illegally staying in.
@user1721135 I'll explain it in the US framing which is clearer: You're not allowed to get a non-immigrant visa if you intend to immigrate. US is stupid about this and is known to reject even if you're trying to get a visa to attend university and you say you want to seek jobs in US after you finish university.
EU does not make the distinction this clear, but there's several things that to me hint they have the same mentality. One is that in several countries you cannot apply for a residence permit if you entered with a tourist visa, I can only give examples for germany. Getting married and will apply for a residencce permit after? Need a marriage visa. Going to look for jobs and then if you find one apply for a residence permit for it? Need a job seeker visa.
You're also not allowed to lie on your application and your planned itinerary, and then use that visa to enter Schengen. If you say you're getting a visa to work seasonally, but at that time you already intend to apply for a long term visa, that may be withholding information. If you, as an employer, hire people temporarily while you have an agreement with a company a country over that you'll get these workers to go work there afterwards, that may be seen as human trafficking.
@ave these visas, notably, do not bar you from marrying or seeking jobs inside EU, but you may not be allowed to apply for a residence permit. You may instead have to leave, get the correct type of visa (at that point: married couple and work visas respectively), then come back to then apply for a residence permit.

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