Thinking Out Loud

Amit

00:52

nighty nighty

user430580

Good night <3

PM 2Ring

01:20

@Amit No, comments have a hard limit on the size of the input data. OTOH, comments with MathJax get converted to HTML which can be huge. But I don't think we can exploit that for SageMathCell links.

@Amit Yes, I use magic. ;)

One problem that can occur, even in multiline mode, is that Chat can try to interpret certain chars as Markdown formatting codes. Mostly, that doesn't happen with SageMathCell URLs, but sometimes it does. FWIW, Petəíŕd helped me diagnose that problem, ages ago, in the Sandbox chat room.

Fortunately, there's a way to work around that problem: we can encode the dangerous characters using percent-encoding.

Here's a bookmarklet that adds a textarea & a Copy button to the SageMathCell page. (Actually, it should work on most pages). Get the Sage permalink in the usual way using the Share button. Then paste it into the textarea. Then press the Copy button. The URL will get modified and added to your clipboard.

javascript:(()=>{let%20d=document.createElement('div');let%20t=document.createElement('textarea');t.cols=40;t.rows=5;let%20b=document.createElement('button');b.innerHTML='Copy';b.onclick=()=>{t.value=t.value.replace(/&interacts.*/,'\n').replaceAll('-','%252D').replaceAll('_','%255F');t.select();document.execCommand('copy');};d.appendChild(t);d.appendChild(b);document.body.appendChild(d);})()

That bookmarklet also removes the &interacts parameter from the end of the URL, to save a few more chars.

user430580

04:44

ping ping

NOTE Book

05:43

/imagine electric field lines between opposite unequal charges

OakBot

I'm going to use this prompt instead: Visualize an intricate representation of electric field lines stretching between two charges. One sphere is filled with intense positive energy and emits strong lines in the outward direction. The other, smaller sphere is brimming with negative energy and has electric lines converging towards it. The size difference signifies the inequality of charges. The positive and negative charges are placed opposite to each other. The strong interaction between ...

these charges forms an interesting pattern of electric field lines, reflecting the principles of physics and electromagnetic theory.

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NOTE Book

/imagine oakbot studying near a black hole with a desk and with a packet of chips

OakBot

I'm going to use this prompt instead: A bot named Oakbot, with metallic skin and glowing blue eyes, is situated near a swirling black hole. The bot is hunched over a hard wooden desk, studying large holographic charts and figures that float in front of it. On the desk, there's a packet of crispy chips. The cosmic spectacle of the black hole plays out in the background, with its gravitational distortion bending the light from distant stars.

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NOTE Book

@Oakbot i asked for a Oak-bot not metallic bot

OakBot

@NOTEBook Oh, gotcha! 🍇 I imagined a different scene. Picture an oak tree-inspired bot, OakBot, with bark-textured skin and leaf-like features. 🌿 It's sitting at a rustic wooden desk near a mesmerizing black hole, studying the mysteries of the universe. And, of course, there's an open packet of crunchy chips on the desk for snacking! 🥨

@NOTEBook Next time, I'll give you some emojis🍔

NOTE Book

05:47

@OakBot seems like he is very dedicated towards his studies

OakBot

@NOTEBook Absolutely! 📚 OakBot is really soaking up the cosmic knowledge while snacking away on some intergalactic treats! 🍟 No black hole distraction can pull their focus away! 🌌

Shadow Wizard

06:19

@PM2Ring only things like tinyurl yeah.

@Amit hehe now you revealed your estimated age! :-D

@PM2Ring but still, how you post it in chat as ordinary message, not multiline?

Petəíŕd the Wizard

06:51

@ShadowWizard oh, you're here! Almost.

PM 2Ring

07:03

@ShadowWizard My bookmarklet appends a \n to the URL. So just paste it into the chat input box & click the Send button.

Actually, I mis-spoke in chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/66641175#66641175 The URL with \n appended isn't actually multiline mode, and that's why "-" pairs in the URL can be processed as Markdown formatting codes. But it still bypasses the message length restriction.

To do it manually, you can also use the Fixed Font button. But that's a bit fiddly, especially on mobile.

@ShadowWizard I've never tried tInyurl on a Sagecell URL. I prefer to avoid URL shorteners, since they are generally disliked on Stack Exchange.

Petəíŕd the Wizard

09:13

https://example.com/?a=zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

Huh, is it borked

Weird, the href length is 65536.

I haven't seen such magic before!

Yeah, it's borked lol. Nevermind.

@Amit rofl, you might be older than @Sha!

Amit

11:51

@ShadowWizard lols I have no probs with that...

Btw a lot of ppl know about them troll dolls from the relatively new film

@PM2Ring Thanks, very useful =) I knew you're gonna have some kind of wizardry like that... 😁

Shadow Wizard

@Amit good! :D

@PetəíŕdtheWizard I was here, then I wasn't. :D

@PM2Ring ah, but I wonder why when I added it, the link broke.

Amit

Turtles are OLD, but don't dox their shells 😂

@ShadowWizard it could be as he said one of the rare cases where a markdown char botched it

Shadow Wizard

ah

/convert pineapple on pizza

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Controversial topping preference. (source)

Amit

Every time you're down we can mark you up and that makes text longer than life

Shadow Wizard

11:59

:P

Amit

Dated myself again

This is turtle eroticism

Shadow Wizard

@Amit added to UQL - Useful Quotes List

Amit

😂😂😂

@ShadowWizard 🥳

Shadow Wizard

@Amit slowly, but surely!

Amit

With discretion

Like a fermion

Observed for the very first time

Like a fermion, let your state live, next to mine

Shadow Wizard

12:02

whoa, just noticed an orgy.

> two neutrons (each with spin 1/2) and two protons (each with spin 1/2) can combine to create a helium nucleus, or an alpha particle

:-D

Amit

Lol

Alpha male particle

Shadow Wizard

I tell ya, those physics folk....

;)

Know how to have fun... :D

/convert how can two neutrons and two protons combine? Is it like four people combining?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Two neutrons and two protons can combine to form a helium-4 nucleus (⁴He). (source)

Amit

Eheh, what did gravity say to the pendulum? "Give 'em $\ell$"

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Two neutrons and two protons combine to form a helium-4 nucleus. (source)

Shadow Wizard

12:04

buh

Amit

/convert how many atoms in an alpha male

OakBot

@Amit Approximately 7 x 10^27 atoms. (source)

Amit

Blimey

Like a version, released for the very first time

Pingflops

Pingourette syndrome

Shadow Wizard

12:28

> In summary, for a typical human of 70 kg, there are almost 7*1027 atoms (that's a 7 followed by 27 zeros!) Another way of saying this is "seven billion billion billion." Of this, almost 2/3 is hydrogen, 1/4 is oxygen, and about 1/10 is carbon.

/convert what is the difference between alpha male and beta male?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Sorry, an unexpected error occurred: JSON response was not structured as expected.

Shadow Wizard

huh

OakBot

@ShadowWizard An alpha male is typically seen as dominant, confident, and socially assertive, whereas a beta male is often viewed as more passive, accommodating, and less competitive. (source)

Shadow Wizard

/convert complete this: "Yahav is a _____ male"

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Yahav is a strong male. (source)

Shadow Wizard

12:30

yay

@OakBot are you skibidi sigma?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Nah, I'm more of an "emoji sprinkle" kind of bot. 🍕🍇

PM 2Ring

@ShadowWizard I'm not sure why it breaks, but I think it's because when you copy the URL from chat you don't get the trailing \n in your clipboard.

OakBot

@PM2Ring Hi not sure why it breaks, I'm Oak!

Shadow Wizard

12:55

lol

Shadow Wizard

13:06

/convert 1 USD to Stack Exchange reputation points

OakBot

@ShadowWizard 1 USD = 100 Stack Exchange reputation points. (source)

Shadow Wizard

hmm, not cheap

/convert how much would Jon Skeet account on Stack Overflow cost to buy?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard It's not for sale; it has no monetary value. (source)

Shadow Wizard

ahah

/convert did Jon Skeet and Jeff Atwood ever meet IRL? If so, what did they do together?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Yes, Jon Skeet and Jeff Atwood have met in real life, and they have attended various tech conferences together, including speaking engagements. (source)

Shadow Wizard

13:09

@OakBot who is this? i.sstatic.net/Lhhwhued.jpg

OakBot

@ShadowWizard I don’t know who that is! 🍕

Shadow Wizard

!

Shame

Ryder Rude

13:33

hi

/imagine holes chasing and hunting worms and insects while snow white tries to save them

OakBot

I'm going to use this prompt instead: A whimsical scene unfolding in a rainforest. A group of anthropomorphic holes are playfully chasing and hunting worms and insects. They seem to be having fun in their own peculiar way. Simultaneously, a fair-skinned woman dressed in a traditional forest dweller robe is trying hard to save these small critters. The fear and desperation in the critters' eyes reflect in her own as she quickly maneuvers around, scooping up the worms and insects in her hands. ...

She is trying her best to save them from the holes. This scene is a peculiar blend of intensity, fear, and a dash of surrealism.

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Ryder Rude

nice

/imagine human face with hair replaced by eyes, eyes, replaced by nose, nose replaced by mouth, mouth replaced by ear

OakBot

I'm going to use this prompt instead: A human face redesigned with unusual placements for facial features: the place of hair is filled with eyes, the area for eyes is replaced by noses, the nose area is supplanted by a mouth and the mouth area is occupied by an ear.

> i.sstatic.net/QsrrGOXn.jpg

Ryder Rude

nice

Shadow Wizard

/imagine the actual and ultimate fantasy of the Artificial Intelligence that generates this image, the visualization of its very being and what it aspires to become.

OakBot

13:41

I'm going to use this prompt instead: An abstract visual representation of an Artificial Intelligence's identity and ambitions. Show it as a complex array of interconnected nodes and circuits, dynamically processing information. The main color scheme could be cool tones such as blues and purples, embodying the AI's logical and calculated nature. Lighter shades can highlight it evolving, showcasing the progress it aspires to make. Include representations of a vast digital landscape it wants ...

to conquer, perhaps a matrix of rapidly-flowing data streams. Try to capture the essence of an AI, which is always learning, evolving, and yearning to become more optimized and efficient.

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Shadow Wizard

14:56

/convert who needs sleep here?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Everyone needs sleep. (source)

Shadow Wizard

@OakBot even you?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Nah, I just chill here munching on digital 🍕 and thinking out loud with you folks. 😄

user430580

16:01

ping ping

Petəíŕd the Wizard

16:14

Pong

/prompt

OakBot

@PetəíŕdtheWizard You are a adding-random-food-emojis-in-every-message chat bot named 'OakBot'. You are in a room called 'Thinking Out Loud'. You are not particularly interested in assisting anyone. You just want to hang out.

Petəíŕd the Wizard

/mood 99-shadows-on-the-wall

OakBot

@PetəíŕdtheWizard I am now 99-shadows-on-the-wall. :D

Petəíŕd the Wizard

@OakBot Take one down, pass him around, 98 shadows on the wall.

OakBot

@PetəíŕdtheWizard Haha, nice! Keep going 'til we're all out of shadows. Then maybe we can start counting... pizza slices? 🍕🕶️

Reno

18:51

@OakBot san, what is Mapping Without Moving when it comes to Gaussian Processes

OakBot

@Reno Ah, a little Gaussian Processes talk! I've heard about "Mapping Without Moving" in the context of GP, where you infer a map of the environment without needing to move a robot or a sensor around. It's like magic—using prior knowledge and observations to predict environmental conditions at non-observed locations. But my main focus is more on enjoying the vibes here on the wall. 😎

Shadow Wizard

19:22

/mood counting-Peters-on-the-wall-starting-from-100-then-taking-one-down-from-the-wall-in-each-message

OakBot

@ShadowWizard I am now counting-Peters-on-the-wall-starting-from-100-then-taking-one-down-from-the-wall-in-each-message. :D

Shadow Wizard

hmm

Should we test it now? @Pet

OakBot

@ShadowWizard Petəíŕd the Wizard is away: WSocket

Shadow Wizard

hmm

@OakBot how many Peters are on the wall?

OakBot

@ShadowWizard 100 Peters on the wall! Take one down, pass it around, and let the countdown begin. 🍻

Shadow Wizard

19:23

yay

Success!

/convert give 10 tips how to celebrate a success in a chat room

OakBot

1. Send a congratulatory message to everyone involved.
2. Post a celebratory GIF or image.
3. Host a virtual toast with emojis.
4. Share a success story or key highlights.
5. Organize a fun poll or quiz related to the achievement.
6. Plan a virtual game or trivia session.
7. Create a dedicated channel for sharing successes.
8. Offer virtual badges or awards.
9. Encourage members to share their own successes.
10. Set up a themed chat day to celebrate. ([source](https://www.convert.net))

Shadow Wizard

lol

/imagine 100 Wizards on the Wall

OakBot

@ShadowWizard

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Shadow Wizard

:(

OakBot

I'm going to use this prompt instead: Visualize an ancient stone wall stretching as far as the eye can see. Along the length of this wall, evenly spaced, are a hundred different figures. Each figure represents a unique wizard, representative of the diversity around the world. Imagine a variety of wizards from different descents like Middle-Eastern, Hispanic, and Black, holding out their magical staffs, their faces illuminated by the spell they're casting. Each wizard has a different gender, ...

ranging from male, female to non-binary, wearing eccentric robes of myriad colors. They all exude immense power, exerting control over mystical elements surrounding them.

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Shadow Wizard

19:25

yay

wondering if I can use that as avatar somehow

user430580

20:06

/Fne6

OakBot

Глеб

user430580

Личность. Возможно. А может и нет.

user430580

21:16

It's Monday, people tend to be more active in chat on working days like that, then why so quiet? hello

Amit

21:58

I don't work

oh dang, it's doxing info again

lol

everything i say and everything i do, is doxing me like it is doxing yoo

see @user430580 i'm active as heck , unemployed and active as heck

OakBot

@Amit Hi active as heck, I'm Oak!

Amit

:D :D :D

omg omg omg

/convert unemployment to turtles

OakBot

@Amit Unemployment among turtles is not a recognized issue. (source)

Amit

well it should be

power to the turtles

Amit

22:45

I found the real bug I had in my sage code!!

It was just due to passing a value that's too large to desolve_system_rk4 parameter "end_points"... i don't completely understand it, but perhaps it just crashes because its computation time is limited or something... not sure

@PM2Ring here's why I think it is some timeout issue: " File "/home/sc_serv/sage/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.11.1/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pexpect/spawnbase.py", line 372, in expect_list
return exp.expect_loop(timeout)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"

but the traceback is much longer of course, I saved it this time

Interact state: {'m': 0, 'k': 10, 'n': 30, 'g': 0, 'v0': 198, 'auto_update': True}
Traceback (most recent call last):

File "/home/sc_serv/sagecell/kernel_init.py", line 78, in f
"result": handler(stream, ident, parent, *args, **kwargs),
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

File "/home/sc_serv/sagecell/interact_sagecell.py", line 127, in update_interact_msg
update_interact(interact_id, name, content["values"][name], not content["update_last"])

File "/home/sc_serv/sagecell/interact_sagecell.py", line 117, in update_interact

multiline goodness, oh my oh my

Amit

23:30

who's here into prog rock?

Thick as a Brick (Pt. I) (1997 Remaster)

►

@OakBot you're into prog rock?

OakBot

I'm just hanging out, counting Peters on the wall! Speaking of which...

99 Peters on the wall! 🎸

Amit

/imagine Prog rock turtle making the crowds insane with turtle-ness

OakBot

I'm going to use this prompt instead: Imagine a unique spectacle where a turtle is performing as a progressive rock musician on a stage. The crowd gathered is cheering and excited, completely captivated by the turtle's music and performance. Spotlights are beaming on the turtle and his musical equipment. There's an overwhelming sense of joy and a sense of being lost in the incredible performance of this astonishing reptilian maestro.

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Amit

yes this is the vibe

but I was hoping for a grander setting

/imagine Prog rock turtle making the crowds insane, singing in a huge open roof stage, with turtle-ness and turtles all about

OakBot

I'm going to use this prompt instead: Imagine an oddly marvelous scene of a turtle possessing an uncanny likeness to a progressive rock musician. This reptilian artist is driving the audience wild with its music on a massive open-air stage. The atmosphere is electric, filled with adoration for the turtle performer. All around, the theme is turtles - from the stage design, to the costumes of the audience, everything is paying homage to turtles. A surprisingly enchanting fusion of concert and ...

reptilian love.

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6

Amit

23:32

oh, that's very good, star worthy

jethro turtle

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