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Wyrsa
Wyrsa
07:02
@MasonWheeler I rejected that book as full of errors, just like you
I notice that you don't accept my vision, why?
why do you doubt that I had a vision while engaging on the subject of the Holy spirit with you? When it was fully in my mind, I was overcome
and then I needed to find somewhere peaceful to confirm it
I suppose you reject it because I still answer questions as an eastern orthodox?
Yeah, that would contradict my vision, unless it aligned
But I notice you reacted emotionally. And not rationally.
@MasonWheeler Well, the majority of the verses are about "don't mock God" "don't scoff at God's plan" etc
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Beware that thou be not deceived Into folly, and be humbled.
Be not lowly in thy wisdom, lest being humbled thou be deceived into folly.
If thou be invited by one that is mightier, withdraw thyself: for so he will invite thee the more.
Be not troublesome to him, lest thou be put back: and keep not far from him, lest thou be forgotten.
Affect not to speak with him as an equal: and believe not his many words: for by much talk he will sift thee, and smiling will examine thee concerning thy secrets.
---- Sirach 13:10-16
Who will pity an enchanter struck by a serpent, or any that come near wild beasts? so is it with him that keepeth company with a wicked man, and is involved in his sins. -Sirach 12:13
And all of this eventually falls down and hits rule 24. Do not try to rescue someone who does not want to be rescued
Mason, our discourse is not a conversation. You refuse to hold your own standards to your own position
You refuse to acknowledge that other religions have the same claim as yours. "Our faith is directly from God"
you instead look at them from the perspective of "Their religions do not claim the faith that I do"
I agree with you that "Hinduists are not inspired by the Holy Spirit" But their claim is that their version of it inspired it.
@MasonWheeler The Orthodox Church... also your refutation of Catholics as "merely" building on tradition is an intellectually (criminally negligent or horrifically ignorant) position.
I agree about the protestants though, they absolutely get wrecked repeatedly, it is almost like they watered down the faith too much
However, the LDS build entirely on a "revelation" that is objectively daemonic if you view it from the Christian perspective. It clearly shows multiple signs of deceit and all of your defenses for Moroni not being a demon are sourced from Moroni. (All inspiration from the original book given by Moroni)
Wyrsa
Wyrsa
07:27
So now I ask... do you want to have a conversation?
Because I see us all just "howling into the void"
and I try to avoid that.
So I say let's take a step back and start from the original point.

"Moroni is untrustworthy" even if the Bible had translation errors, it has not destroyed the meaning of "1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
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2 Cor. 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
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Colossians 2:8 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,
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Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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So... now what
 
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Wyrsa
Wyrsa
15:11
“Do I not fill Heaven and earth? says the Lord. I have heard what the prophets have said who prophecy lies in my Name, saying “I have dreamed, I have dreamed!“.

- Jer. 23: 24-25
Matthew
Matthew
15:47
@Wyrsa Please. Some Protestants. Not all! 🙂
 
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Matthew
Matthew
18:19
BTW, this article is relevant to the discussion...
It also specifically addresses the good vs. bad fruits question.
Matthew
Matthew
18:32
@depperm, I'll comment here rather than replying excessively to your comment elsewhere, but with respect to your claim that LDS doesn't contradict the OT... Orwell (c.f. Animal Farm) would be proud of how LDS twists Isaiah 43:10 and Isaiah 45:22, and insisting that LDS doesn't contradict Psalm 90:2 is simply not credible.

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