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A: If Jesus is the Creator in Col 1:16, then why does Col 1:18 say that he "becomes preeminent" if he, as the Creator and God, is already preeminent?

Mike SangreyThe issue revolves around the use of a ἵνα clause with the subjunctive. The answer to a different question provides a good background. Does Ἵνα (hina) clause convey certainty or uncertainty? In fact, it basically answers the question. The OP's question, in that question, says, "the hina clause...

I'd love to know the reasons behind the down vote. What is there about the analysis that the downvotes have a problem with?
Interestingly, all three answers currently have two down-votes.
@RayButterworth Yeah. It's a conspiracy. LOL
+1 Upvoted on sheer bloody-mindedness. It's a pretty good answer, too.
@Dieter Hopefully, there's no connotation of violence with 'bloody-mindedness', defending, yes, violence, no; just a tenacious bull-dog approach to truth. :-) 2 Timothy 2:14-19 comes to mind, though it's a big household here in SE-BH.
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Yes, I meant both tenacity toward finding the truth and my contrarian objection to unexplained downvotes.
From good to great--I wish I could upvote it again! Thank you.
+1 FYI - When giving answers which are totally consistent with the text in question and lead to conclude as your answer, that is, the text clearly and unmistakably states the deity of Jesus Christ, you should expect downvotes. If you want to change the minds of those "down voters" you must continue by finding other passages which may be taken out of context to refute the plain reading of the current passage. The picture those who down vote is one of the Colossians studying other texts to figure out how to refute what Paul really meant in the letter written to them.
@RevelationLad I understand, but there's a difference between EXPECTING downvotes and expecting downvotes to be used for what they're SUPPOSED to be used for. "I don't like what is said" is different than, "I disagree with how the answer was supported." And, to your point, expecting the SUPPOSED TO is expecting too much. I get that. I'd still like the people to actually support their position. Just clicking the down arrow is admitting you can't support your point. I'm after the truth; not winning an argument. And, thank you!
@MikeSangrey, your "answer" was the most convoluted and confusing response given to this challenging question. I am surprised and baffled that you got any upvotes for it at all. Your attempted answer is wholly illogical and disorienting, and I truly pity all Trinitarians who have to okay mental gymnastics to explain this one.
@JoshuaB Well, I can see that convincing you will take a greater ability than what I am capable of. I'm not surprised by that, though truth has certainly surprised me.
@MikeSangrey - Does the truth of the Bible being wholly Unitarian surprise you?
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@JoshuaB My sense of humor has often gotten me into trouble. Your question made me laugh. Above, you say my "answer is wholly illogical and disorienting" and yet you ask me a question that is of that stock. So, yes, I would be greatly surprised that something is true that is built on a faulty premise, even when asked as a question. That's simply illogical, though I'm not going to be disoriented by it. And, for the record, I only walked to school a couple of times, but I often carried my lunch.
@MikeSangrey - Try me! What is one of the best verses you can show me that totally tips the scale over to the Trinity? (And please leave out Jhn 1:1, Mat 28:19, and 1 Jhn 5:7, and Isa 9:6) I'm looking forward to the best evidence that you can throw at me!

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