@gorgo Only just seen this, as the comment with the link to this chat got deleted (for some weird reason). More user friendly than MPW? Yes, definitely, especially, if just getting started (everything was menu driven) - although it was always handy to have a book to hand. That is why I never really got to grips with MPW (until now, as I have finally seemed to have broken the back in my gap in knowledge) However, MPW is much more powerful - I can see that now.

@gorgo - BTW, and you have probably figured this out yourself already by now, but the command line from that thread will work in MPW 3.5. You just have to change Runtime.o to MacRuntime.o (as already discussed) but you also just need to add IntEnv.o, and it compiles just fine. All of the other options -mf -model near and all the others, really aren't required for a simple app like hello world. You can even keep the creator and type the same (MPS/MPST).

FWIW, Code Warrior is amazing - I still use it today for PalmPilot applications (there is a repo on MacRepository for CW for Palm Pilot). ThinkC was a nice tool too, that's what I first used - copied 6 floppies from a friend (not sure if I still have them though) - There was a big yellow book called Symantec C++ Programming for Macintosh (2nd Ed), SAMS Publishing, by Neil Rhodes and Julie McKeenhan, that helped me get started. I still have a very tattered and moldy copy. Fantastic book!

Tinkering with CodeWarrior over the past few days, and yeah, it's so much better. Btw, for MPW I'm just using the Build Menu.