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"Where can i fond the tools ti test my oen network environment.. could Amy One send me the tools for testing ."
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@D3C4FF Well that was horrifying.
@JeffFerland LOL I flagged it as not an answer a split second before you deleted it
@D3C4FF afternoon! Nice round rep number you've got there :)
@JeffFerland It kinda feels like reading something that someones typed using their nose and eyes shut...
It physically hurts to read.
@TildalWave Sup! Whats the rep number i've got? I cant see it >_> <_<
I was going to have a little party by myself when my Sec.Se rep became 1337
I'd even downvote some stuff just to keep it there for a while :P
00:28
@D3C4FF What answer did you get the disciplined badge for? Seems a bit strange to me to delete an answer with at least 3 up-votes, or indeed that there would be a badge for it :)
@TildalWave actually, i found an answer i had written somewhere was wrong and someone else had answered the question correctly so i figured i'd trade a few points for a random badge :D
@D3C4FF You were aware of this badge before? I first saw it now looking how come you have 24 bronze ones... not envious, just curious ;)
I want me some tasty gold badges :P
Im aware of all the things!
@D3C4FF The easiest seem the Fanatic 100 days consecutive visiting the site and Electorate for 600 up-votes on questions with not more than 1800 up-votes on answers... but I didn't run through all of them
Actually, it says "votes" so obviously either way, up or down
I actually had a script running on my VPS that reloaded pages randomly from SE sites.
In order to get the Fanatic badge
However, The shitty VPS crashed out at 75 odd days
00:36
@D3C4FF oh you cheat! :P
Well. To be fair, the only reason i couldn't check in on the easter weekend (when it just HAPPENED to crash) was because i was in fucking tasmania in a cave for 3 days
-_-
Turns out 150M underground you cant get mobile coverage?
Crazy i know.
Damnit. Where the fuck did those 40 rep points come from!?
@D3C4FF What 40 points?
Now my total rep is 2040 D:
01:21
@D3C4FF +30 from here and +10 from Photography... This sum is only updated once per day I believe
Added my views to that How can photographers support non-profit charity organizations? question. I wish I had more of such questions here, I could offer real work immediately.
@D3C4FF You think I should attach some example photo to the answer? Seems appropriate for the site, but I'm not sure if that's a custom there?
 
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@TildalWave Yeah, photos are always good on a photog site :P
Nice stuff
Do you do a lot of volunteer work
?
 
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06:48
Bought a PVC card printer (for work) on ebay, dude is taking forever to post it and i reckon he might be trying to scam me, took 45 minutes of poking around on the net and i've got pretty much every detail on him. On the plus side, he seems legit... xD
07:20
@JeffFerland Curiosity is killing me! WHAT COMMENT?!! :p
 
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10:22
It's depressing just how many companies get SSL completely wrong. I just looked at a bunch of really well known companies like pepsi.com, coke.com, starbucks.com and all of them throw up SSL warnings. Even firefox.com does.
@Ladadadada wow youre right, i was about to say you must have a broken local cert library, but i get the same :/
A lot of them have Akamai certificates for the www subdomain and a different one for the root of the domain.
The Coke one was particularly amusing. The cert at the root of the domain is valid for secure.coca-cola.com, www.coca-cola.ru and coca-cola.ru
@Ladadadada I find it very normal. They don't need SSL for that part of the website. firefox.com redirects to mozilla.org and firefox.com probably used internally or they give people intended to use it a cert to add to their trusted certs
@Ladadadada Just because SSL exists doesn't mean that you need to use it for everything.
@Ladadadada I mean yeah sure, we can sit here and criticize everything for the fun of it, but at the end of the day they know what they need, especially in cases like these.
10:38
No one fixes these things because their websites are working. They redirect to SSL for login and back to non-SSL for the rest of the site. The use-cases they developed for work fine.
But switching to SSL should be as easy as adding an s in the right part of a URL. Instead we need tools like HTTP-Everywhere, and even that doesn't work for all sites.
(sigh) I hate do this, but I'll do it. _You_ can't login (AFAIK) to `https://firefox.com`, so it's Mozilla's staff's thing. There's nothing to do on `pepsi.com`, the login site is `https://points.pepsi.com/` which fully supports SSL.
I agree on `starbucks.com`.
10:54
@Ladadadada Umm, you put the https there. They didn't want you to. Why would these sites need SSL at all?
@Adnan Starbucks has an https when you try to log in
and it works for me
11:06
And right on queue:
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Q: Is it compulsory to have https on e-commerce site?

Harlandrakai have a doubt. I saw that some e-commerce scripts can also run without ssl, but everyone recommends to activate it to protect sensitive data. I just saw a site that has an e-shop link, if i click it my browser says that the security certificate is not reliable, and in fact if i click on "conti...

Hm, that's different
e-commerce
11:29
@Adnan "Crucial" :)
@TerryChia You always have one on me. Thanks Terry.
@Adnan I wonder if there is any legal trouble you can get into for running an e-commerce website without SSL if your customers get hijacked
@Manishearth LinkedIn was sued for use inadequate hashing.
@Manishearth Civil suits most likely. A criminal suit seems pretty unlikely.
@Adnan right. that. forgot.
11:38
@Manishearth Let's continue here.
11:49
@Adnan ?
I was really thinking about sites with a separate HTTPS domain
@Manishearth Oh, sorry. I thought you weren't convinced by my comments.
@Manishearth Yeah, it happens. Other than that small part, it was a nice answer.
Nah, I was, just that we were talking about different things
Can someone with more DNS filtering experience add another answer to this? I'm sure I have missed a lot. For me this is by far the most important type of question, and should be answered thoroughly and quickly.
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Q: The importance of changing DNS when Using Antifiltering software

Peyman TehranyIs it safe that sometimes my Anti-filtering program does not change the DNS address?

@Adnan If the cookie that was sent in a HTTPS response has a secure flag on it, then it can only be read through a secure connection, and reading it through a non-secure HTTP will fail (it actually won't be added to request headers). So I don't see that last comment so relevant, but yes the previous one with secure flag obviously is ;)
@Manishearth The cookie will be set through an HTTPS page, but when the user visits the homepage (the one for which you suggested the usage of HTTP) which is on the same domain, the browser will send that cookie, the important one (the login cookie). — Adnan 23 mins ago
Anyway, good morning to all :) I hope you're enjoying better weather LOL
12:13
@TildalWave mmokay
@TildalWave 2C here, but pretty damn sunny.
@TildalWave Morning?!?! It's 8.13PM!!!
@TerryChia Was in italics... substitute as appropriate :))
@Adnan Dunno I just woke up... I could be missing something? Besides coffee :))
@Adnan Damn sunny at 2C? Sounds like you need to be careful of snow blindness then... Which is a lot better than what I'm about to get here... rain depression :(
@TildalWave Ewwww.. disgusting! Rain!! We'll soon have those days
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A: Encrypting short identifiers?

Thomas PorninWhat you want is format-preserving encryption. There is unfortunately no ready-to-use standard for that, but some reasonable constructions are known. I would recommend the Thorp shuffle which is an extremely unbalanced Feistel scheme; given enough rounds, this can implement a permutation which is...

Heh I knew I had to tag that question with hash for The Bear to give his insights :)
Maybe that's cheating, but it's for a good cause :))
anything tagged "buttography" will get my immediate attention.
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12:31
@Polynomial
@Polynomial Can I have your attention now?
@Polynomial @Poly @Poly @Poly a what's that song question for you. I can't find the performer. Guys are definitely from Blighty, it's an a cappella song, fairly new-ish (say a few years old) about guys going out on a Friday night... or it could be Monday? Not sure, but it wasn't a huge hit, just one of those songs that came and disappeared. Any ideas?
@TildalWave asadz... is that you?
@Adnan Say what? :O
@Adnan Help me out here, I'm just waking up - what I don't dig? I must have missed that memo.
@TildalWave Some time ago there was a guy called asadz (now he has another name, I don't remember it), he frequented The DMZ for a week or so. He pretty much drove everybody insane (well, especially me). That message had a very similar style to his.
12:49
@Adnan I was here and I remember, I just fail to see the resemblance. What's it supposed to reference? I'm not talking about some gay song, never mind that LOL... It's just some song about a big night out that's all.
Happy UTC+0 afternoon everyone. A slightly on topic - anyone have any experience with Thinkpad Embedded Security Subsystems?
If so does it support FDE?
@AntonyVennard LOL well this is sublime: Just install the full IBM Security solution, and let it use the TPM. What good it will do to increase the security of your data is unknown. :))
@TildalWave I know :) Basically, I'm asking because we have a customer having trouble with one backing up his disks and we're trying to understand exactly how intrusive it is in terms of encrypting disks.
My favourite line is The TPM chip is a "secure" brokerer of data signatures and keys
13:05
@AntonyVennard I'm trying to find a proper manual, but the Lenovo page isn't of much help either: The ThinkPad Embedded Security Subsystem provides for authentication and encryption of data communications. IIRC you set the password in BIOS and the TPM then takes over the encryption... but there's ample warnings on a few pages about that, so... well bollocks, pardon my French... What model/serial?
@TildalWave It's actually a "ThinkPad Tablet 2"
I've had a nosey around for manuals etc, but haven't pulled up much. We've seen the BIOS screens etc, but we're unsure exactly what level of encryption would be involved...!
We'll find out though, we have one on order. I just wondered if anyone had any experience seeing as it probably falls under the umbrella of "endpoint security".
@AntonyVennard support.lenovo.com/en_US/guides-and-manuals/… but I wouldn't bet that these manuals disclose anything more considering how much is in the Wiki
I'd post a new question and hope someone from Lenovo sees it
@TildalWave Absolutely no idea. I don't listen to that kind of stuff.
hang on, my justin beiber-esque colleague will surely know
he's doing that "oh shit uuuuuhhh yeah I think uuuhhh I might uhh"
@Polynomial Oh stop it, it's not that kind of a song. I actually heard it a few times on some alternative radio. It's a pretty cool song, not some Friday, Friday,...
no I'm not joking :P he looks like justin beiber
quiff and everything
can you remember any lyrics from it at all?
even something vague might jog his memory
13:13
@Polynomial You mean your memory? :P It's something along the lines of going out on a [day of week] night,... have some beer with my mates,... whatever, I don't really remember the lyrics but it's most definitely not gayish. Nothing in the lyrics suggested being that.
is it like rap?
hiphop or something like that? or more alt?
his thought was maybe this: youtube.com/watch?v=-H0J0gcN0E0
@Polynomial a cappella, but with a contemporary beat to it yes, not rap tho
could be pretty much any indie track ever
@Polynomial I DON'T LISTEN TO HIP F*IN HOP!! :)))
oh you might be thinking of The Streets
that was kinda big hit about 6 or 7 years back
13:17
@Polynomial In this style yes, but "a cappella" definitely.
hmm, in that style.
could have been something like Dan Le Sac
his beard is awesome
tbf I really don't know much about that genre
Yay, just broke 7k. :)
@Polynomial me neither, but that song was cool... but no I don't think any of these two... similar, but no instruments support... probably like 4 or something dudes but only one actually sings, others just hum and keep the beat
ohhhhh I think I remember something like that
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it was 4 or 5 black guys
I can't remember the band name
poked my brother on Facebook, he was the one who showed them to me in the first place
@TerryChia I hate you!
13:38
@Adnan I love you too.
13:54
@Adnan Don't whine; write good answers.
@ThomasPornin I'm not actually whining. I don't mind the reps, it was just a joke, started a while ago when @Terry said that it's good that there's someone with less rep than him (me).
@Adnan Hehe.
I'm actually surprised that the system did not automatically convert my one-line answer into a comment.
@Adnan Well, you'd better. We already have Tigger as @AviD; we don't need Whiny the Pooh.
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@ThomasPornin Whiny the Pooh. Good one.
Whoops, @TerryChia, I upvoted you with the wrong bear. Must unupvote you...
14:00
@ThomasPornin Are trying to test my patience? Because I've learned a thing or two from you about patience.
@Polynomial Cheers! Yes they could be black dudes, I only heard it on the radio... they certainly didn't have some posh Essex accent :))
There, upvote is back.
@Adnan @ThomasPornin what answer are you two talking about?
@TildalWave I'm not talking about any answer.
@Adnan Oh... well... yeah.... moar coffee please
14:04
@TildalWave There were two distinct threads. The question I was talking about is this one:
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Q: Handling passwords in a web application

marcwhoI am trying to learn how a secure web application is developed. Particularly, I am unsure of how passwords are sent from the client to the server. For a typical user/password login form. If the client sends a plaintext user/pass in a POST request over HTTPS. Is this secure enough? Considering the...

but that's unrelated to the insufferable weeping from @Adnan.
@TildalWave Yesterday we were speaking about cookies. I played around with the evercookie and it turns out it's quite easy to remove. Cleare the browser + Silverlight data + Flash data.
@Adnan I know, I've been trough the documentation also but I didn't find anything in it that would really make it more persistent than the run-of-the-mill cookies for those that wanted to bypass it. That's why I didn't go back and mention it in the answer, it'd only confuse OP further.
@ThomasPornin Regarding this edit, any reason for the &nbsp;?
@Adnan I noticed the upvote from Bear #1 after 15 minutes, too late for a clean cancel. I made an edit to reset the counter. You can unupvote if an edit was made after your upvote.
@ThomasPornin Clever. I really thought the the original answerer must edit to unlock the previous votes. I'll keep that in mind.
14:49
I have created my account on this site just to upvote your answer. Awesome explanation! You sir, are a true genius!! — Sayem Ahmed 1 min ago
I think this is getting out of hand. Stupid rep train.
@ThomasPornin You need about a hundred more upvotes to snatch the title of most upvoted answer on the site away from @Polynomial.
@ThomasPornin still, that's at least one new registered user :-)
@RoryAlsop Where can I see this site stats? I don't see the box on the right, like on some other sites.
@TildalWave you see it on the right on beta sites that have not yet graduated
try:
@RoryAlsop Oh cheers! Any way to see this as a time-graph? That'd be cool to see
15:05
@TildalWave Mods get some lovely whizzy graphs, but we can't share them
@RoryAlsop oh bugger :( could I ask someone for some meta post on this? or a blog?
don't think there is an equivalent for non-mods. In beta it is very useful for everyone to know, but I guess once graduated, the site has effectively proven itself so that info isn't really needed
@TildalWave we can share general high level info, ie "we had a bit of a peak in traffic due to XXX post - is this a rep-train we should hop on?"
@RoryAlsop but it would be cool to track the influence of such rep train answers and @ThomasPornin's bounty probes
@TildalWave Ahh - I don't think we get granular enough data to follow Thomas' tests. We can see the effect of a reddit post etc., and I'm sure SE can drill down to the nth degree
Actually I've got an idea (google.com/alerts) just not sure yet how to set it up
15:10
Not sure why I had the scheduling wrong for today's QoTW post...but I have pushed it to Publish now
@TerryChia If that's the goal, we could post it on reddit. It could be a fun experiment (for Science !).
Actually I wonder whether a reddit post could be a surefire way to get a Publicist gold badge. Does the badge work for links to answers, or only links to questions ?
so... @Poly is 761 behind me now. He typically gets 150 - 200 rep per day and I average about 50. So by this time next week I will be 4th...
@ThomasPornin don't know, but you'll be able to find out, I'm sure :-)
@RoryAlsop I dunno; posting the link myself would look a bit crass.
I could create a sockpuppet, though.
@RoryAlsop But it will still take about 4 months for Bear #2 to send you to the second line.
@ThomasPornin :-)
@ThomasPornin @Scott tested that once.
15:23
@ThomasPornin I'll post a link to things...just after I post an answer. If I'm going to help start the rep-train, I'll want to be aboard
@ThomasPornin It's not sure fire, but it's a good start.
The trick with reddit bombing is that the question title needs to have the right balance of interesting looking and immediate strong opinions.
@ScottPack Which question was that? Did it have an effect on the rep or was it just the views only?
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Q: How are spoofed packets detected?

AdnanMy assumption: When a firewall is configured to drop spoofed packets, it tries to ping (not necessarily ICMP) the source IP and sees if it belongs to a real host or if it's up, and if not, it drops the packet. My question: What happens if the source IP of a spoofed packet belongs to a real and...

@ScottPack Yes yes, that one. I think it jumped from 100 views to 2000 the first day
@Adnan Yeah, it had good trajectory. I did get Publicist off that one.
I tried it again on this one, which got a good number of views, but not nearly as fast
15:27
Aside from @AviD and @ThomasP hopefully giving a couple of blog posts (which incidentally can provide rep-trains of their own if linked suitably), anyone want to propose new QoTW or blog about one of the existing ones on the list?
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Q: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

Rory AlsopSince starting the Security Stack Exchange Blog on 15 July 2011 we have some excellent blog posts, and a large number of these are from our Question of the Week posts. Going forwards, it is probably simplest to post your favourite Questions of the week as answers on this question, and vote for yo...

roryalsop on April 05, 2013

An incredibly popular question, viewed 17000 times in its first 3 weeks, this question has even led to a new Sec.SE meta meme.

In fact, our top meta meme explains why – the First Rule of Crypto is “Don’t Roll Your Own!”

So, with that in mind, Polynomial’s answer, delivered with a liberal dose of snark, explains in simple language:

Konerak lists out some advantages of going with an existing public protocol:

Probably written by smarter people than you

Tested by a lot more people (probably some of them smarter than you) …

@ScottPack After 5 seconds of posting this link here it received two downvotes on reddit. Edit: One of them was taken back. Edit2: Okay, somebody is playing a game.
@Adnan Reddit has some kind of auto-downvoting to try to balance out logs of upvotes
@ScottPack Really? aha..
Yeah, it's weird.
They're using the upvotes to measure SNR, so they try to somehow automagically nudge posts
So if something gets a whole lot of upvotes quickly, then that means it's popular, but doesn't necessarily mean signal. Similarly, if something receives lots of views, but not many upvotes and very few comments, then it's probably noise.
15:38
@ScottPack an interesting concept.
16:21
Done. I decided that Bear #2 is, by definition, crass, and thus totally in-character when doing his own promotion.
16:40
I'm not sure I'll ever look at the Firefox logo the same again.
17:06
Morning!
 
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Weird: my reddit post seems to have disappeared altogether
Maybe I don't know how the reddit interface works.
@ThomasPornin I don't get reddit at all.
@AntonyVennard I just registered this morning for a shamless bit of self promotion
@ThomasPornin Is this part of your reputation experiments?
But right now the "submitted links" no longer appears in the "new" sorting list for /netsec
Also, I'm intrigued by your SSL experiment too, actually. Been meaning to ask you about that - if you can say, what's the objective?
19:19
@AntonyVennard Yeah... I want to know if linking a rep train from reddit could guarantee a publicist badge
@ThomasPornin Interesting. I'd be intrigued to know where the traffic for rep trains comes from - I get the feeling it is mostly reddit/HN.
For the SSL, I would like to get some hard figures on the adoption state of several things: newer TLS versions, AES cipher suites, ECDSA / ECDHE, anti-BEAST systems, UTF8String in certificates... also, some stats on certificate issuers, usage of certificate extensions, key sizes...
I currently have located 4000 SSL/TLS servers (0.574% of tested IP addresses). When that reaches 10000, I'll do a first run of statistics.
@ThomasPornin Hmm ok so you're just basically negotiating SSL sessions for every server that serves SSL then? Crickey,t hat's going to take a while!
@AntonyVennard Actually I do the initial steps of the handshake, but I complete no handshake. I send the ClientHello, then gather the ServerHello and Certificate from the server. Then I unceremoniously close the connection.
I need to do that a few dozen times for each server, to work out its list of accepted cipher suites. And I do that twice, to see if the server enforces its own preferences. And then I do that four times because I test SSL 3.0 and TLS 1.0 to 1.2. I also test SSL 2.0 but that requires only one connection.
My code is multithreaded; I begin investigating a new IP address every second. I find about 20 servers per hour. In a fortnight I shall have my 10000 machines (my threshold to be able to make statistics with a decent precision)
@ThomasPornin Blimey. Quite interesting though - I look forward to the results. I'm not sure what my servers run SSL-wise - I should probably care, but so far I've not really been motivated to fix it.
20:02
@ThomasP - reddit doesn't really work for me either. Think it might be for the generation after mine. ..
Which post was it
I got the Booster badge out of it, though (silver)
maybe there is a moderator at reddit, who felt offended by my message (possibly, the moderator is a chimpanzee, which would explain a lot of things).
20:28
@ThomasPornin Moderators are just monkeys who have guns in their hands, right?
I can no longer find the picture of that.
@Gilles Thank you.
@Gilles Haha yes, I knew if was a TL feature.
20:50
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A: Why is it so hard to close onion domains (e.g. The Silkroad)?

davefuck u u pricks and fuking realise that drug taking is a persomnal fukin choice which should be allowed if u wanna call this world a free fucking place

You might want to nuke that.
If you didn't get the flag. I left a comment explaining that it didn't really answer the question, but then I decided it was probably best not to...
@AntonyVennard no need to comment on total crap like this
There's “Don't be a Dave”, and there's “Don't be a dave”
@Gilles Yeah I know, I was mostly doing it for the humour, but I thought it might backfire in terms of harassment...
oh hell, I commented, it's not as if anyone will see it except 10k's
Don't be a Dave. And really, really don't be a dave. — Gilles 18 secs ago
21:37
lol what happened with that topic
 
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@Gilles - that comment made my night. Thanks :-)

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