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03:18
Anyone alive in here?
 
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07:16
braaaaaaaaiiiiinnnnssss
@Iszi @ScottPack I added a comment there, d'ya think thats sorted enough? Or need some more heavy-handed diamondness?
@ScottPack lol, love your marketing speak.
@Iszi working off @packs line, "fecal matter impacting the rotary air translocational device"
 
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11:32
In retrospect, one can also find impeller type fans. I probably should have called it out separately, but if anyone asks I'll give them the "patient voice" and explain that impellers also act in a rotary fashion.
@AviD The dust up between the teacher and that one guy? Probably not.
I think if the OP had handled it any differently then the conversation might have needed to be nuked. As it stands now? I'm ok with it. It does, however, point out a bloke we may need to keep an eye on :)
11:55
@ScottPack That's my feeling too
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12:13
@AviD I think your comment is very nicely spoken as a technical rebuttal, but does not call out the disrespect issue. I added a comment in that vein, trying hard to avoid disrespect myself :/
12:26
@RoryAlsop! Have a nice weekend with the kids?
12:47
I am officially creeped out.
12:59
@ScottPack Was awesome - spent all of it outside. Kids in the pool or on the trampoline, me and the wife with beer and wine (and a water cannon to make sure the kids didn't disturb us too much)
How about you
@ScottPack How did they know?
Drove up to Cleveland for the weekend.
Left the kid with the grandparents so the wife and I could go out to a bar and see a good friend of ours band play.
1) It was the first date event we've had in over two years.
2) It was really nice to see this friend again, it had been a while.
All around good weekend.
@ScottPack Nice. Good band as well?
@RoryAlsop I don't know, it was pretty weird to load that up. My fist was not on my cheek, but I was cupping my chin. Real weird.
@RoryAlsop Quite, we hadn't heard this one play before.
She's a Suzuki method trained violinist and teacher.
@ScottPack Forehead for me, but I was leaning in that direction... creepy indeed.
Hey @Iszi!
Good weekend?
13:14
Decent enough. AC in the house was out all weekend, but I took the family to my grandparents' for dinner Sunday and that was nice.
@Iszi Got up in the 90s?
Was 23 centigrade (74 fahrenheit) here which is way hotter than expected for this time of year. But then again January was -17 centigrade (1 fahrenheit) so I guess we deserved it :-)
13:32
@ScottPack Somewhere around there, I think. I've lived here long enough to not really care - I just go with the flow.
@RoryAlsop Pretty much the same here. Yesterday got up to about 80(26). Finally nice enough that I was able to open up the windows overnight. Of course, we're supposed to have thunderstorms and highs around 45(7) tomorrow.
In other news, I'm rather peeved at one particular website owner.
It had been awhile since I'd used the website, so apparently I forgot which password (or which derivation of a password) I'd used on the site.
When I find the "Forgot Password" link, it turns out to be just a mailto: shortcut for the site owner.
I send an e-mail requesting a password reset, and what does he do? He returns my current (emphasis on my because it was actually mine and not some dummy credential) username and password in the clear!
How can anyone run a website like that anymore?
I'm starting to wonder if maybe that was the reason I stopped going to the site in the first place.
13:50
Reasonable presumption.
Ok, my present annoyance with cobbler.
He also asked if I just wanted him to change it for me.
It will build a network install cd for you and build out a menu for whatever systems/profiles you specify.
In the good news department, he responded to "Is there any way I can change it, now that I know it? And, are there any plans to implement a more secure mechanism for storing and resetting user passwords?" with "Yes to both questions."
If your network config includes addresses it will auto use those during the install. Which works great, if you're installing in place. Not so much if you install on a provisioning network.
@ScottPack Mmm... yeah, that could be an issue.
13:53
And there's no option to disable that, you have to
1) Use their script that creates the iso beginning to end
2) Go into working directory and edit the isolinux.cfg file
3) Rebuild the disc manually
14:03
@ScottPack yerk, not so good
I want to provision these things all based on DHCP, and on first boot they'll come up with their static addresses. Like I said, their design works fine so long as your system is in the same network at provision time that it will be permanently. Otherwise it's just annoying.
@ScottPack I must be missing something... why not just throw a DHCP server on the build network?
@Iszi That's now I'm doing it now. What I should do is set it up with PXE so that cobbler figures everything out from the MAC address.
14:18
I'm trying to think of more... perhaps "professional", "technical", or maybe just appropriate titles for a couple of my previous jobs. You guys mind giving input?
Did you have an official title for those jobs?
Been awhile. If I did, I don't recall.
(And I probably did, but it also probably came nowhere near to properly describing the role.)
The ones I'm looking to fix are "User ID Administrator" and "System Builder".
Kind of like how my title is 'Information Security Analyst' but my HR job role is 'Systems Analyst 3' ?
@ScottPack Pretty much.
The first one sounds like a perfect fit for something involving 'Identity Management'
That's a nice phrase nowdays
14:21
User ID Administrator -> Essentially a button-pushing monkey. A request comes in for account modifications in AD, Lotus Notes, SAP, RSA, etc., I check it over for proper approvals and workflow, and execute.
Fixed that for you @Scott
@RoryAlsop Damnit @Rory! I was that close!
LOL
just playin
System Builder -> "Migrations Tech" but I'm not even sure how well that one flows. Take data and user profiles from one computer and move it to another. Perform occasional hardware and OS troubleshooting and repair.
In the AD world that would be something like an 'Account Operator'
Did you help design any of the workflow, or were you just validating?
14:23
In a weird mood - an issue with a build that has annoyed me for 4 days finally was diagnosed - nothing to do with my code, but an account ops person set me up in the wrong group so I had most of the right permissions, but not all! Meh!
Yeah, I dislike it when that happens.
@ScottPack Validating. User X requests role Y in application Z. I make sure manager plus all appropriate data owners have approved.
Or when your group nesting ends up wonky.
@Iszi I would definitely call that something in the IDM realm. Not a designer or admin, but certainly an operations role.
Operations - ID management
or
Also handled account terminations, and some password resets/unlocks.
14:25
Operational Identity and Access Management
Then there's the occasional SOX audit support. Help management find the documentation that authorized me to do my job...
Mmmm..SOX. Glad that doesn't apply to us.
PCI and HIPAA is enough.
Was real fun when sometimes the only documentation was in e-mail. This was before Office 2007, and the new Windows Search. Fortunately, there was Lookout.
14:41
I really despise trying to read SCSI drive labels. At least SATA will come right out and give me the capacity.
Hehe. I love it when XKCD's title text references a previous strip that I only vaguely remember. That way, I go back to look it up and get to laugh all over again.
14:57
I have little bobby on my door.
@ScottPack He lived on my cubicle wall for ages. Then I got the bobby car licence plate picture :-)
@RoryAlsop I love it!
Would be lovely to imagine it working...
Out of curiosity, what kind of car is that? We don't see that make on this side of the pond.
Renault
maybe a Renault Laguna?
Do Renault not sell in the US?
15:09
@RoryAlsop Not much if they do at all.
I think it's a Laguna, although I'm not really a fan of French cars - they do things a little bit different from everyone else. Same goes for Citroen. Just odd.
But then I am a huge fan of Japanese performance cars, so some in Europe would question my loyalty:-) I just can't be doing with BMW, Audi, VW etc
@RoryAlsop Another one we don't see much if ever, over here.
And considering I'd need to pay 10 times the price of my car to get a faster Porsche or Ferrari I think I'll stick with the eastern metal
I generally buy "American". If I were to go for an import though, it would probably be German.
They are very reliable, and I have had two very good VW Golfs, they are just too heavy and expensive.
Seat or Skoda (basically VW under another badge) give more bang for the buck
15:13
I generally like my vehicles on the high ends of size and power. Loved the Crown Vic I had, and I really wish I had the money to get my Mark VIII in proper order.
"Big" to exclude trucks & SUVs.
You'll not likely catch me buying a Suburban, ever.
Suburban?
Generally accepted to be the longest/largest SUV in the market, I think.
The Chevrolet Suburban is a large sport utility vehicle from Chevrolet. It is the longest-lived continuous automobile nameplate still in production, dating from 1935. The Suburban has been produced under the Chevrolet, Holden, and GMC marques until the GMC version was rebranded as the GMC Yukon XL. For most of its recent history, the Suburban has been a station wagon-bodied version of the Chevrolet pickup truck, including the Chevrolet C/K and Silverado series of truck-based vehicles. Cadillac offers a version called the Escalade ESV. The Suburban has traditionally been one of General...
Aye - sorry, I was going with the UK version of big.... (quite a bit smaller than that :-)
15:20
Indeed.
I imagine a Suburban would probably have a bit of trouble in your neighborhood.
Right now, I'm stuck in a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Probably about just the right size for me, as far as an SUV goes. Really miss having a V8, though.
My brother did have a TVR Chimaera for a while:
The TVR Chimaera is a two-seater convertible sports car manufactured by TVR between 1992 and 2003. The name was derived from Chimera, the monstrous creature of Greek mythology, which was made of the parts of multiple animals. The car used the same backbone chassis as the Griffith and used the same derivatives of the Rover V8 engine. The Chimaera was intended to be the long distance tourer of the range and as such was longer, more spacious and had slightly softer suspension than its sister car. Richard Hammond from Top Gear used the chassis of the car in the electric car challenge in S...
nice V8
:-)
As much as do I admire the beauty and performance of such cars, they just really look horrifically cramped to me.
In case you're not familiar with the Mark VIII...
:See Lincoln Mark for a complete overview of the Lincoln Mark Series. The Lincoln Mark VIII is a large, rear-wheel drive grand touring luxury coupe built from 1993 to 1998. It was the successor of the Mark VII. The Mark VIII was built at Ford's Wixom, Michigan assembly plant and was based on the FN10 platform, a relative of the MN12 platform which underpinned the 1989-1997 Ford Thunderbird and Mercury Cougar. First generation (1993–1996) The Mark VIII was a larger car than its predecessor, the Mark VII, being about five inches longer at 207.3 inches and nearly four inches wider at 74...
wow - 207 inches long!
I like to call it "Mustang, made by Lincoln".
Mine is big - at 175 inches long
and 68 inches wide
15:30
I recently swapped my old late 80s Volvo for a Fit (Jazz in the rest of the world). I've been rather pleased with it.
Since we're posting big American cars, I had an '89 Deville before the 740. Quite a big difference
The de Ville was originally a trim level and later a model of General Motors' Cadillac marque. The first car to bear the name was the 1949 Coupe de Ville, a prestige trim level of the Series 62 luxury coupe. The last model to be formally known as a de Ville was the 2005 Cadillac Deville, a full-size sedan, the largest car in the Cadillac model range at the time. The next year, the Deville was officially renamed DTS (an abbreviation standing for Deville Touring Sedan, itself a trim level on earlier models). Origin The name "de Ville" (French: "of the city" or "town",) is a reference ...
Note the 205" length with the 113" wheelbase. That made parking quite interesting sometimes.
Outside of the big Germans we tend not to see many European cars around here. Every now and then you'll see an old Skoda, or depending on the relative wealth a Jag or Aston
I still maintain that one of the best overall, if not most powerful, cars I've driven was a 2003 Fiat Stilo 5 door.
Mmmmm - Aston Martin
The Stilo is good fun.
I do like racing the Renault Clio Super Sport (sometimes called the super cup) - it won't go much above 130mph but is happy sliding sideways through corners at that speed and has a lovely sequential 6 speed gearbox
I don't so much mind slower cars, just so long as they're fun to drive.
So it tops out at 130. Big deal. I don't take cars out on tracks where it would, you know, be feasible to do such things.
no - 130 is a good speed. Not much call for anything higher round here either
mine will go a lot faster, but I have nowhere I could do it - my local racetrack has a fairly short main straight, and I can't hit top speed before I have to brake again
15:43
I'm not sure I have a local track that I could have fun on. For me, it's all about real road driving.
Where, really, so long as it can hit 80 comfortably, I'm probably ok :)
@RoryAlsop "super cup" = "super coupe"?
don't know - what does coupe mean? Have seen that description for a lot of US cars
Usually smaller two-door.
Sounds about right then
Can be four-door though. Varies between the manufacturers.
15:46
So coupe < sedan < estate
Or at least, that's in my head.
The Mark VIII was marketed as an "LSC" - "Luxury Sport Coupe".
I think here we go 2-door, or 2-door-sports, then 4-door, then 5-door or hatchback, then estate
or fastback :-)
consistency...bah, who needs it
@Iszi It's a two-door, but huge compared to human-sized cars. Probably small for Lincoln.
Ah-hah! But a coupe cannot be a convertible.
@ScottPack "Human-sized" cars - bah!
Better?
15:49
Interestingly enough, there was one company that made faux soft-top and convertible conversions for the Mark VIII back in its day.
Hey, near enough to lunch time.
One of my favorite conversions though, is this one.
@Iszi That is a thing of engineering beauty
right - going to grab some sunshine before it goes away. Later.
16:13
@RoryAlsop Indeed - if you don't mind all the junk in the trunk.
16:35
I would be concerned about the structural integrity of such a door.
 
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18:40
chat's a bit stale
@Ormis Tends to be around here. Pretty much the only regulars we have are myself, @ScottPack, @RoryAlsop, @nealmcb, and @AviD.
I think some of the other guys hang around in The Comms Room more regularly. That one keeps pretty busy.

 The Comms Room

ServerFault's lobby
Who me?
19:17
alright
i've been trying to spread the word about the IT Sec stack exchange... i think i got a few more people to take a look that work in my security engineering department here at work.
I was dealing with a new product's POC... sorry for the delayed response
Hi @Scott
Hi @Iszi
Hi @Ormis
Hi @RoryAlsop
@Ormis good man
@Ormis No worries. @ScottPack and I are in the working hours as well.
so my hotel's wifi is down - so I'm sat in a bar. Tough times :-)
20:03
No worries, @Ormis. I think most of the "professional" SE site chat rooms are pretty lenient towards random times of non-responsiveness.
I've been in the lab, as opposed to my desk, most of the day :)
@RoryAlsop How horrible for you ಠ_ಠ
Speaking of which....thanks to being out and about Cleveland over the weekend I managed to find myself both a Speckled Hen and an Old Rasputin at various meals. Both quite yummy.
20:29
heya all
@ScottPack Old Rasputin - is that anything like an Ol' King Clancy?
@AviD I just UrbanDictionaried that.
Wow, dude, wow.
@ScottPack lol, well it was a line in How I met Your Momma
@ScottPack ahh, that looks mighty fine
nice and dark
Ah yes, I did come across that episode of HIMYM whilst attempting to translate your comment.
It is very nice. Dark, bold, and very smooth. I barely noticed any of the bitterness that porters often have.
gonna have to look for that next time I'm abroad. Doubt I'd find it here.
It went very nicely with the deep fried Brussels sprouts (with capers, anchovies, and walnuts)
Even stateside it can be a bit tough to find. That's the problem with the microbew explosion we've had over the past 10-15 years. Lots of great brew, but even Well Stocked (tm) shops have a hard time keeping an appropriately broad selection.
20:58
@ScottPack I'm sorry what now?
why bother eating brussel sprouts if theyre deep fried?
what I mean is, why bother with brussel sprouts, if you're deep frying?
THAT'S NOT FOOD!
Normally I don't go in for the things, but they were....wow. One of the best things I've eaten.
you should try it with maple syrup :D
Speaking of eating. G'evening Gentlemen.
lol, I knew I'd manage to chase you off at some point... ;)
21:34
dammit, i'm hungry and thirsty now
it's 5:30.... about quitting time.

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