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00:03
Well, called it on those two questions. Both are approaching the top of the hot questions drop-down.
00:40
Troubleshooting a PGP issue. Should I post here, or SU?
@Iszi If you think it should be here, post it here.
@JeffFerland It's one of those odd things where it's troubleshooting a product which is primarily used for security, but it may not technically be a "security" issue.
Here's the story: I'm still recovering from the rebuild I did of my personal laptop (shows how much I really use it, I guess) that I did a few weeks ago...
...part of that process is setting up my mail client with my PGP keys.
Thing is, I'm missing one of my e-mail addresses among the public/private key pairs I could dig up.
It's possible that I may have used the same key as I used on another e-mail address, and the backup of that key just didn't have that detail.
I need a way to determine if that's the case.
@Iszi Find any emails you sent and get the key id from the signatures
@JeffFerland Yeah, I actually just now got lucky. Found an e-mail where I'd sent my public key and got the key ID there. What's this about from the signature though? I didn't see where the key ID was there.
@Iszi IIRC gpg has no command to show it but if you parse the signature by hand you'll find the key id
Need to figure out why GPG is failing to recognize my own signed e-mails now, though.
@Iszi Failing how? To realize they're signed or to verify them?
@JeffFerland Verification
Reminds me I should look into getting an OpenPGP smartcard
01:14
Ok, so now I'm down to figuring out why GPG/Enigmail doesn't recognize my own signature. Post here or SU?
@Iszi Here with public key and sample signature?
@JeffFerland Not a fan of overly publicizing my public key - containing e-mail address info and all.
01:32
Strange. Some e-mails signed with the same key are working fine, but others aren't.
(Looking at Public Key block) Wait... is the e-mail address actually encoded in there, somewhere?
 
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06:10
@Iszi Sounds like you need a mac. ;)
06:35
@Gilles yes, the idea is that we make it open after the challenge so people can see how we solved it
Oh, @LucasKauffman. Won't be able to help with this one :( Too much school work and I have another CTF coming up in march as well.
@TerryChia aaaaw :<
 
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09:22
Crypto is mainstream -> So before Zimmerman was a hipster?
09:49
@CodesInChaos check if what I'm saying is correct security.stackexchange.com/questions/30439/… :p
 
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11:07
For those who have wordpress blogs: is it cheaper to register a domain name with them or register it with someone else and map the domain name to the blog?
11:50
@TerryChia I host my own wordpress atm
but internet.bs is dirt cheap
I'd only map some subdomain like blog.terrychia.com to wordpress. Not sure if registering the with wordpress.com allows you to do that.
@LucasKauffman How much does it cost per year/month? Not sure why I need my own hosting solution atm but could be fun to play around with if it doesn't cost too much. :P
For me the big reason against hosting your own wordpress installation is that you need to administer it
keep it up to date, security holes in it can compromize your server,...
@TerryChia well, I've got 2 at the moment, one is 17 euro / month (single core, 4GB memory and 1 TB HD, 100 mbit and no bandwith) and the other is 34 euro a month for 2 units, but I share it with a few mates of mine
@CodesInChaos indeed that's my main concern
I just installed a WAF, OSSEC and then a plugin that detects malicious requests on my wordpress written by @MichaelHampton
@TerryChia if you just want a blog, then you can better get WP hosting, if you want to administer a server then you should get a VPS
hetzner.de is quite cheap actually for their VPS
12:18
@LucasKauffman Aye thanks. I'll have some considering to do. :)
I'm not sure of pricing for such things, but isn't this pretty cheap? godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspx?ci=76393
I can definitely afford $7/month.
12:35
@TerryChia avoid godaddy hosting
just go with AWS, it's free for a micro linux node
and would be able to support a low-traffic wordpress site just about
if you want real hosting, nobody in the world is better than hetzner >> hetzner.de/en
@lynks Noted. :)
Shopping around to see what will fit my needs best currently.
@lynks Using windows seems pretty expensive with them
@CodesInChaos why would you put windows on a server?
Because I like C#
@lynks hahaha. For people who love the .NET technologies.
12:39
@CodesInChaos and even so, I challenge you to find anyone cheaper, £50/month for 24GB ram?
oh and, most importantly, they have no lock-in. you can drop the server at a moments notice.
So, for domain name registration should I go with internet.bs like @LucasKauffman suggested? The site seems kinda dodgy.
13:02
@TerryChia registration isnt so much of a big deal, I tend to go with godaddy <shudder> just because we're used to them, and have like 200 domains registered on the same account.
@TerryChia they are a little dodgy, but they do work :p
@lynks AWS is free the first year :p
13:35
total Cyber overload here computerweekly.com/news/2240177685/…
almost to the point that you think they're extracting the michael...
@RoryMcCune thanks for reminding me to check infosec reactions :P
@RoryMcCune it seems to be an attempt to raise the bar (not necessarily particularly high) for each EU nation, particularly given that each nation will need to set up their own CERT. personally (and professionaly) I like that they have included critical infrastructure in there
13:53
@RoryMcCune If you don't fully cyber the APT then the threat agents may compromise your big data stored in nation state clouds.
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@ScottPack You from marketing?
Don't be rude; it's unbecoming.
@ScottPack So's your face.
42 secs ago, by Scott Pack
Don't be rude; it's unbecoming.
Yeah, @TerryChia, being rude is totally @ScottPack's thing.
PS, I'm not up early. I simply haven't slept. ARE YOU READY TO INTERESTINGLY MOD POSTS?!?!?!
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13:59
@JeffFerland Yes.
@ScottPack OMG. You're like the Geordi LaForge of IT Security!
Somewhere in the middle of the night I found that six years ago I emaild my coworker when he worked at a company that didn't hire me 9 months ago and we now both work at the same company. How odd.
@ScottPack You now have to wear that visor to work.
Thems the rules.
s/cyber/cyber-sex/
and it actually makes more sense
@ColinCassidy Nice to know I'm not the only one that does that.
cyber-sex update && apt-get upgrade?
14:10
Wow. I don't think I've ever seen a thread with so many answers, and such a huge gap between the top answer's score and the rest.
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Q: Why don't websites immediately display their text these days?

LaurentI've noticed that recently many websites are slow to display their text. Usually, the background, images and so on are going to be loaded, but no text. After some time the text starts appearing here and there (not always all of it at the same time). It basically works the opposite as it used to,...

@JeffFerland brings a whole new meaning to the term "Penetration testing"
@JeffFerland C'mon, the first one was totally fine.
just airgap critical systems
(including blocking memory sticks etc. for non admins)
@CodesInChaos GTFO. That's like 1960's era common sense defense. Nobody does that shit anymore. We don't put roofs over our datacenters, they're in the cloud! Air-gaps are for spark gap radios!
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all to prevent malware infections...
14:13
and everyone who knows how a spark-gap transmitter works knows you do not want that in your datacenter.
Right, the conversation is becoming weird again. This is like a daily thing.
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It's saner during west coast working hours. I miss this stuff.
@JeffFerland Only 'cause there's less of us here.
So I thought of trying to implement unreadable gpg private keys with selinux, but then I realized I'd have to neuter gpg itself to kill the export keys function, and even then it could still be passed the names of the keyfiles as input data to encrypt. Boo. I need a proper OpenPGP smartcard. They seem to only sell them (in retail) in Europe.
@JeffFerland I might be willing to try that. At least then I'll have functioning visual inputs.
14:22
@ScottPack You know what drives me crazy out here? Seeing all the Google employees wearing Project Glass. I want that, dammit.
@JeffFerland No doubt.
I had forgotten how much I hate going through resumes.
Have you read the book Daemon?
That's a negative.
You should read it.
It's one of those future books that is already coming true.
14:26
Yes
I'll add it to my list. Now that the last Wheel of Time book finally came out I'm plowing through those.
@ScottPack sounds good, i shall add it to my wishlist
@lynks Which sounds good?
daemon
Good. I would feel remiss to recommend the wheel of time series to anyone at this point. It's freaking 14 books, 11916 pages (hardcover printing). The original author died after putting out the 11th book, and the dude who replaced him is so much better writer.
14:33
@ScottPack I like reading books that were unfinished because the author died. Kafka's 'The Castle' actually ends mid-sentence in a really eerie way that always fascinated me.
So you end up with this 11 book slog (each book averaging around 850 pages) and then it all of a sudden gets exciting.
@ColinCassidy I do get some rather funny looks when that term comes up with people not in IT.. I tend to use "security testing" instead.
@ScottPack it is very good
@RoryAlsop And it looks somewhat short, which is good.
@RoryMcCune isn't it more fun to use 'penetration' amongst non IT folks? :-)
14:37
book 11 was decent too
@lynks You sound like a psychopathic killer.
@ThomasPornin someone who kills psychopaths?
it's just the middle (6-10 or so) that's damn slow
@ThomasPornin its not like i go out of my way to kill authors before they can finish books, just so i can enjoy the unfinished work :P
@CodesInChaos Also 1 and 5.
14:38
If you want a big book with lots of characters and a slow story, just read the phone book.
@lynks yet
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@ThomasPornin A what?
@RoryAlsop well depends, if I have time to explain it then yes, when I get introduced to people as "here's Rory he's here to do some penetration testing" perhaps not so much..
hahahaha
@RoryMcCune Could be worse, your name could be Randy.
Oh, that guy? He's Randy for the penetration test.
14:39
@RoryAlsop was in a hospital last time and got odd looks from the doctor/nurse..
@ScottPack It is a paper-based DNS for people who have copper-based 3G.
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If anyone know anything about penetration testing it would be urologists and gynecologists.
@ScottPack hmm could be time for a new set of business cards ... "Randy" "professional penetration tester"
Just filled out registration forms for me (and the missus, just in case) for Infosec...I may have been a little silly :-)
Although, I suppose only @RoryAlsop and @AviD would relate to the the former.
14:41
(It wasn't Randy, though)
@ScottPack I see what you did there...
@ScottPack ...with an interesting omission of proctologists?
@Iszi By focusing on the prostate it let me make an old joke.
However, bringing up proctologists does make me think of Seinfeld.
FYI: Searching for that produced interesting results.
14:58
@ScottPack I remember back at university I was trying to work out how to insert pictures into LaTeX documents. I spent a long time "Alta Vista"-ing that.
i think i just full retarded our git repo
@lynks Do tell.
@TerryChia im not entirely sure just yet
NaRQ?
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Q: Central authentication

John WoodI am designing a system composed of several services. Some can be hit only from inside our network and a few can be hit externally. One of these services is a "login" or "authentication" service. My thought is that a user will log in with a username/password to be sent to the authentication ser...

@TerryChia crisis averted, had to rollback the master branch but we're good :) (i pushed some deletes that shouldnt have been deletes)
15:06
@lynks heh. good thing about git. it's really hard to completely screw shit up.
The product manager of Notes has now written a book about how to be a great product manager! That is like the captain of the Costa Concordia is writing a book on “Safe boating in Italy”.
@LucasKauffman Well, technically, he knows a bit of the dark side of the subject
As they say, the captain of the Titanic had never went through a shipwreck previously, but if he had, things would have probably gone better.
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@ThomasPornin but then if the tradition is that the captain goes down with the ship, there's no lesson learned
15:22
@ColinCassidy The actual tradition is that the captain should leave the ship last. A captain who goes down with the ship is a captain who is too ashamed to admit that he cannot swim.
@ThomasPornin Or is too proud to go through the court-martial when he gets home.
 
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16:41
@ScottPack Proud, or cowardly.
@Iszi Tomato....potato
Yay. I'm on the verge of another less-significant milestone: 8k!
Funny, but (and forgive me if this is just me being ignorant of how Reddit works) where's the post that prompted that response? I don't get it.
Ah, there's the link I was looking for - "parent".
OMG. Honey Boo-Boo made it onto Infosec Reactions.
17:39
That makes me sad.
I can't believe this pun has gone unsaid in this thread for over two years...
I think you need more XP. — Iszi 2 mins ago
 
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18:44
I'd still like some tool to upgrade the windows 7 taskbar to the windows xp taskbar
18:57
I seriously need a blue to delete that picture
19:12
The Visual Basic .NET compiler sees no problem in a property "Get" function never to return a value. At runtime, you get a 0.
So hey, we have a couple of migration targets now
one reason to prefer C#
Excellent. Good job we did not elect @Iszi as moderator, since otherwise we would never have obtained them.
What are the targets ?
@ScottPack That wasn't like pulling teeth or anything.
@ThomasPornin Super User and Stack Overflow
She rejected the idea of Server Fault because "it's a fairly specialized audience" and Cryptography because it's beta. The last reason makes sense, at least.
19:16
IMO neither makes sense
@CodesInChaos I wrote the code in C#. But here they do only VB, so I must translate it into VB
The "And" operator performs complete evaluation, you must use the "AndAlso" operator to get the lazy evaluation which you have with "&&" in C# (and C and Java)
I've been thinking about and vs. andalso quite a bit. Still not sure what I'd do if I were to design a language
If I'd prefer the pascal route of making and short circuit on bools
or the VB.net route of two operators
I must check all my "And" and convert them to "AndAlso". And I must check my "Or" and make them some "OrElse"
context dependent short-circuiting isn't the nicest language feature either
perhaps make and always short circuit and introduce another operator that doesn't short circuit
In Java you have '&' and '&&' although you rarely use the first one with booleans
19:26
yes, but I prefer text operators over symbol operators (except for + etc.)
There is a lot that can hide in "etc."
At least not, or, and, xor, mod are easier to read than ! | & ^ and %
(ok % isn't even the modulo operator in C#)
It really depends on who does the reading. It is subjective.
Reading is a trained ability anyway. It is not natural.
@JeffFerland I thought of you when I saw this
missing an ! is a bit too easy IMO
and most people think % is modulo when it's actually the remainder (at least in C#)
19:37
Dammit. Dim buf(10) As Byte creates an array with 11 elements.
@ThomasPornin got confused by than one, since an auto-converter turned by new byte[11] into (10) ad Byte
If you go that route, at least do it like pascal: array[0..10] of byte
I think the point of VB is to look like previous versions of Basic
Otherwise, instead of making VB behave sensibly, it makes more sense to ditch VB altogether and use C#
 
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21:06
Dammit. I hate teenagers.
No offense, @TerryChia.
Anyone else see what's wrong with this?
Two Adobe Flash 0day exploits found in the wild including one that targets Mac OS X (Firefox & Safari). Patch now: http://bit.ly/11sZwWz
@Iszi what is this oday?
@ThomasPornin Also, it's named dim.
@ScottPack heeeyyyy, since when am I the oldpeople punchline here?
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@LucasKauffman Dunno which 0day they're talking about. But regardless, there's something inherently wrong (or, at least, its implications) with that tweet as it is.
21:08
ooer, Randall wrote this...
> And is capable of flight in constant Category-5-hurricane-level winds, which are another thing I forgot to mention earlier.
I've literally never seen him screw up grammar like that.
@Polynomial where did he write it?
@LucasKauffman The post about airplanes on other planets.
what's wrong with that from a grammar point of view?
21:08
just search for "Category-5"
that's the whole sentence.
@LucasKauffman Technically, it's a sentence fragment.
and "which are another thing" is not right
nor is starting the sentence with "And is"
@JeffFerland The language is case-insensitive, I am allowed to write it as Dim.
@Polynomial That's... semi-arguable.
21:10
@Iszi It's not when the subject is singular.
@ThomasPornin I didn't mean the capitalization, or a correction of you. I've always been bothered that call things things Dim(ension). Seems dim-witted.
Anyway, @LucasKauffman, my point about the VUPEN tweet is that it seems to be implying that a patch will make you immune to exploitation of a zero-day exploit. An actual zero-day, by its very nature, will not have had a patch available yet.
That is indeed a valid point to consider
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A: Can we finally sort out our migration sites?

Anna LearAfter looking at the stats, we enabled user-driven migrations to Super User and Stack Overflow. Cryptography is unfortunately right out since it is still in beta and beta sites aren't eligible to be included in default migration paths. We're also holding back on enabling user-driven migrations ...

if you havent seen yet...
21:12
@JeffFerland WHAT IS THAT "CAPITALIZATION" THING I KEEP HEARING ABOUT ?
@AviD Welcome to 2 hours ago.
@AviD You two are the oldest blokes in here.
@ScottPack well I'm trawling the transcript now. As I said, I hate teenagers.
@Polynomial read that ebay thing you posted
@LucasKauffman hehe, my brother found it when he was looking at cars this morning. I lol'd.
It's wtf xD
"I can confirm that they are indeed privacy glass as I pretended to get off with myself on the back seat and I had a fellow work colleague confirm that they could not see me."#
21:15
@LucasKauffman And there's my DAFUQ star for the day.
(Come to think of it, someone seriously needs to backronym that.)
@LucasKauffman My favourite bit was if you look at the safety features list at the top of the listing, the first one is "Windows"
not sure if this got posted before, but @RoryAlsop got some good Sec.Se advertising in the thumbnail for this vid about Securi-Tay.. youtube.com/…
@Polynomial "(winds)... which are another thing". It is correct.
"And is" is acceptable, but not preferred.
@AviD Yes, that would be correct, but he was talking in the singular.
@AviD Who doesn't?
21:18
no, winds is plural. the singular was the plane (I think - I dont remember the whole quote there).
what I posted was the whole quote.
oh, wait, no, I get you now.
the winds are the subject
the fragment broke my brain's ability to parse it.
@Iszi Disjointed Acronym Funds Undue Quiescence
@ScottPack you forgot about otherrory.
btw
Phone book: "It is a paper-based DNS for people who have copper-based 3G." http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8009277#8009277
Fabio Frittelli died :(
@AviD No I didn't. He's still in his 30s.
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21:21
Also, Scott's buzzword comment gave me a nosebleed.
@ScottPack haha, so'm'I...
right, off to watch Silent Witness.
@AviD whatevs
@Iszi DAFUQ: Disjointed And Freakish Unbelievable Quote
@AviD I like it!
21:36
@Iszi What a coincidence ! I just reached 8k on my yearly rep count.
@ThomasPornin whoa. as in, since the beginning of 2013??
I wouldnt have expected that till mid-March.
@ThomasPornin Yearly, monthly....
do you repcap every single day?
figured you would be skipping weekends...
@AviD On week days, yes. Not on week-ends: it happens, but not reliably.
My schedule is for 5 +200 days per week.
+ accepteds, bounties, etc.
so on average, you do close to 6K a month?
21:40
I got 6500 on January
There is more readership since (apparently) last September
and my accumulated answers help a lot too
interesting, your average rep gain tracks pretty closely with our rise in traffic.
Bear #2 has a lot more difficulty reaching the rep cap (except when on a rep train, as happens today)
with dips around weekends and end of december.
since the summer, anyway.
@ThomasPornin stupid reptrain.
btw those were awful questions.
pretty decent answers, considering, but a little duh-worthy.
that's like going on Seasoned Advice and asking "how come I get hungry when I dont eat?"
@AviD Bad question, but can be answered awesomely.
For that specific question, I think I would try to link to some studies on the evolution of the chemical paths of cellular metabolism during Archean.
@ThomasPornin yes, as @Ninefingers did. ;-)
21:45
@ScottPack shame I can't star posts more than once!
@RoryMcCune You just need a Rory #2 for that !
Or a Rory #3 in this specific case
@ThomasPornin yeah, a good answer, but one that really does not need to be given.
@ThomasPornin good point, I think after earlier discussions I should call Rory #3 Randy
#3?
@AviD We already have two Rories so a sockpuppet Rory would be #3
a sockrory, as it is
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21:49
ahh, thats what you mean. A Rorypuppet.
@AviD I prefer "sockrory", it is reminiscent of "cockroach".
"Rorypuppet" makes me think of "Mary Poppins"
@ThomasPornin Yes! Maaaarryy POPPins!!
I'm not sure which analogy I like less.....
Totally on my list.
EVERY day is a holiday with Mary.
Hahaha - you loonies! Surely the third Rory would be Rory (2) after Rory (1) and Rory (0)
21:51
@RoryAlsop @ThomasPornin has been spending too much time in VB. He thinks arrays start from 1.
Best way to read the DMZ transcript: go to pub to celebrate friend's PhD and have many different drinks before reading:-)
lol, a pile of DAFUQs. (see sidebar).
It doesn't necessarily make sense but I am smiling. . . Possibly being looked at weirdly by other train passengers
@ThomasPornin Wouldn't that be redundant? I thought @RoryAlsop was already someone else's puppet?
@AviD you're thinking of you being included in the oldies club here aren't you?
21:54
@RoryMcCune hahaha, noooo...
@Iszi That has never been proven. And shown anecdotally to not be true.
Whoa. What will happen next month, when @RoryAlsop and I actually do meet? Will the universe implode?
@AviD it's good that tho' it means when @RoryAlsop gets over there you can have proper old people conversations ;op
sitting on my porch, rocking in our chairs, while listening to a good polka and drinking some arak.
I do like a good polka as much as the next guy.
@RoryMcCune actually it was a quote from a movie. Can ya place it?
@AviD well my google fu is telling me good morning vietnam..
22:05
@RoryMcCune DING DING! give the man a cookie.
@AviD well one benefit of spending years online is honing of google fu
@RoryMcCune The tiny grasshopper has grown into a Master Warrior
heh, now after looking out that weird Al polka video I'm on a looking at weird al videos thing.. including this classic youtube.com/watch?v=FklUAoZ6KxY
@RoryMcCune excellent.
> It's hard to bargle nawdle zouss.
@AviD My only fear is that bear #2 got more upvotes than me because I mentioned Chesney Hawkes. That was probably a mistake.
But I think trying to get an 80s band, particularly one with either awful hair or that sings power ballads into every answer I write is my new personal goal.
22:19
@Ninefingers never heard of him.
@Ninefingers hahaha, good luck.
I think your answer does bring up an actually interesting point, I think the only thing of any interest on that whole thread: Harvard vs Von Neumann atchitectures, and how these affect security.
I would gladly throw out 99% of the rest.
Perhaps excepting @Iszi's Amelia badelia allegory.
as solid as some of the answers were (including @bear's), they were just kinda worthless - a decent answer to a stupid question is still answering a stupid question.
@AviD I think it might (partially) be the basis behind this lightbluetouchpaper.org/2013/01/02/… although I don't know as I know nothing about the work. But if you were going to start again at the CPU level, it would make sense to carefully review your architecture.
@Ninefingers send that idea on to the Qubes folk. They actually might be able to get somewhere with that.
@AviD Which reminds me, I have an install of cubes and I was going to write about it.
@Ninefingers oo, how is it?
@AviD As you'd expect an early linux distro to be - rough around the edges but the VM components are well integrated into the overall Windows manager - so you really do get different coloured vms for different things you wish to do, etc.
I'd like to take a more technical look, as it's been a while since I installed any Xen stuff, so that's what I will do maybe next weekend.
22:27
@Ninefingers how rough is VM management?
@AviD That's top notch. They haven't written a whole hypervisor from scratch - they used Xen and its components, so it's as good as you can expect say XenServer to be.
The UI for managing VMs they've added was good in the release I tried.
and it does indeed integrate individual apps into the parent desktop.
@Ninefingers that's what I'm referring to...
With appropriate coloured windows so you know what security level the app you're using has.
have you ever used MacOS's Unity feature?
@AviD Nope, but guessing that does a similar thing?
22:30
@Ninefingers wanted to know how it compares.
yeah, ish.
I'd like to get a Mac OS X system so I can poke its kernel.
so you can run a Windows app, apparently within OSX.
That's got to be an untapped resource of evilness. Both running Windows Apps on OS X AND poking the OS X kernel.
it hides the VM window, and just displays your app window.
@Ninefingers no, actually - just the windowing parts.
@AviD Yeah. virtualbox can do that as can vmware - actually vmware also calls it unity.
22:31
it runs say Windows in a VM, and plays around with showing the actual windows.
This guy... he asks a question, shows where he looked for it, tells why doesn't understand it. Then he politely thanks me for my answer so far, asks for a clarification, and thanks me again at the end in addition to upvoting and marking selected.
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Q: NOPS in Metasploit

AndrewProblem I do not know what a "NOP" is in Metasploit Framework or otherwise. What I do know MS Unleashed says, "Nops keep the payload sizes consistent." A few question posts mention buffer overflows. What I would like to know Why do Nops keep payload sizes consistent? What do Nops keep payloa...

@JeffFerland such rudeness.
I can't remember a 1-rep user I liked so damn much.
@JeffFerland ... and then you woke up
I upvoted him just for asking the question so damn well.
22:33
@AviD Yep. As I say, virtualbox does the same thing provided you don't ask too much of it (like dual monitors). Qubes is more seamless than that - I ran it dual screen with no issues whatsoever. Unless you knew you were running VMs underneath you might not realise you were using VMs.
@Ninefingers that sounds pretty awesome.
as a distro, in general, how rough is it?
would you recommend it as a first *nix distro, for an adventurous soul?
in Teachers' Lounge, Feb 20 '12 at 21:42, by Gilles
Wow, a user was angry because I'd closed his question, starting flagging and complaining in chat on his way to meta… and after a short conversation where I wasn't particularly accommodating, agreed with my position and went away happy
Someone replied:
> "…and other fairy tales" by Gilles.
@AviD It's based on Fedora 14, so not bad, but as I understand it there's no update servers yet, so you get what comes on the disk and that's about it. No, is the answer to that - I don't think I'd do my day to day computing on it just yet.
lol
@Ninefingers not day to day.
eventually, I will VM or dualboot a linux to have, so a lot of the time (to get more comfortable) and mostly for specific tasks/projects, but not regular day to day computing.
@AviD I'd say if you're prepared to muck around, go for it. I got it up and running without any real headache - I don't think it's any harder to work with than any other linux distro out there.
22:37
whatever, when I get around to it (around 2020) I'll check it out.
That said, if I was really going to advise a Linux distribution it would have to be Fedora.
pffft
Debian is where it's at.
or Ubuntu, if you like things to be comfortable.
@Polynomial as opposed to those who like it fairly uncomfortable?
Like the back of a volkswagon...
@AviD Welcome to Linux.
if you haven't typed something absurdly over-complex in the first hour of installing a Linux distro, you're doing it wrong.
A movie quote, again. Hope you recognize that one.
22:43
I'm finding it hard to resist, so let me just say: if you haven't typed ... when installing a debian-based linux distro...
@Ninefingers Truth is, I'm afraid of sharks.
Sorry :)
Ok ok give it its due, sometimes Fedora's edginess means they break things. Like totally stuffing up yum database updates. But by and large, it's ok.
Also, I did used to use Ubuntu. It's not so bad either - I don't like unity (whereas I do like gnome 3) and I have also used Debian. They're not so bad.
@Ninefingers I don't like Gnome3 much, and I hate Unity. Much preferred Gnome2.
@Polynomial It's a bit of a shift. There are parts of gnome 3 I'd... not do if it was me, but on the whole I like it quite a lot. Gnome 2 wasn't bad, and I still use it sometimes (vms, no 3d accel) but I think they did need to do something radical to it.
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