The DMZ

10:04 AM

I have not used Kali's DE for a long time, I just use i3 wm which is very lightweight as suggested by forest a long time ago here

Anonymous

3:02 PM

@daya Meh. I spin VMs up and down a lot. I have a laptop specifically for hacking which isn't running Kali. But I am using my main host for this course so it was just easier to spin up a Kali VM in all honesty.

Anonymous

Since it is a Windows Userland course anyways, I'll mostly be RDP'd into Windows boxes so it doesn't particularly matter what I use.

daya

4:50 PM

@J-- I was too talking about VM only

@J-- Hmm, makes sense

Anonymous

I mean, yeah I could use something way more lightweight than Kali. But as I said, most hacking I do is on a laptop which isn't running Kali anyways.

Anonymous

But for this, way easier to use my main PC.

nobody

Do you guys really find kali useful? Or is kali mostly a script kiddie thing?

Anonymous

It is just fast.

Anonymous

It has almost every tool you could possibly need. So that is useful.

daya

5:01 PM

@J-- lol, I think there is miscommunication, What I said is I use Kali but with a wm and not with the default DE

Anonymous

But in general, I don't use it often anymore. When I first started, I used it.

Anonymous

But these days, not so much. I have a hacking laptop which runs a different distro with tools built into it.

Anonymous

My work machine has a VM of the same vain... My main PC the same, just use a variety of different VMs.

daya

@nobody Not strictly required for hacking but yeah most people use it

Anonymous

The only nice thing about Kali is that you can spin it up in like 5 minutes and have every tool you could really need.

daya

5:03 PM

yeah there are just 12-15 most used tools I guess

Otherwise there are hundreds of tools which are never really used

Anonymous

Yeah, there are a lot of tools which you'd never use. Hence the reason I don't run it on a dedicated machine.

Anonymous

Totally inefficient.

daya

yup nobody runs that on a dedicated machine

most people use VM or in just live mode

Anonymous

Yeah, but honestly.

Anonymous

This community focuses FAR too much on what tools they use.

Anonymous

5:08 PM

"Oh don't use that OS use this "

Anonymous

"dont use that tool use this"

Anonymous

It honestly doesn't make a difference.

Anonymous

Using ubuntu with tools installed over Kali won't make you a better hacker.

Anonymous

It doesn't mean anything. It is a totally meaningless argument to have.

daya

true, You can do hacking on a server running any Linux variant with just tmux installed and no GUI at all

nobody

5:09 PM

When I first got interested in security and stuff, a couple of people told me that I should totally install kali if I ever wanted to hack anything. Its the first step for every hacker. So I installed it on a separate partition. And then quickly figured out that all this hype about kali was just because it was easy to copy paste stuff from the internet on it

Which wasn't what I was interested in doing

Anonymous

Yeah this is the thing nobody, everyone will tell you something different "use this", "no you should use that because of x reason".

Anonymous

End of the day, use what OS you like, use what tools you like, focus on your skill not your tooling.

Anonymous

I really hate this whole notion that you need to use X thing to be hacker. Pure nonsense.

nobody

And now I see that most of the tools can actually be installed on windows too

Anonymous

It takes away from what is actually important which is your brain.

Anonymous

5:11 PM

Yeah, they actually can!

Anonymous

Not that I recommend Windows for all this, but with WSL enabled it makes it very plausible to be on Windows.

nobody

@J-- Anybody who says that I automatically assume is a skiddei now

Anonymous

Says what?

nobody

You need X to be a hacker

Anonymous

Oh right, yeah.

Anonymous

5:12 PM

Yeah, it is nonsense.

Anonymous

This community is filled with purists and elitists.

Anonymous

Which is why people are STILL having this meaningless argument on what tools to use.

Anonymous

5:29 PM

Question: does anyone else believe/agree that to be a parent you should have to get a permit (per child) from an independent, non-profit organisation/federation with elected members via a series of parental skill assessments, mental assessments, financial assessments and any other assessments which would have a bearing on ability to parent?

Anonymous

In-fact, would be really interested to know your opinion @forest since you know, you're actually a parent.

nobody

5:47 PM

@J-- You mean you want to make choosing to have your own kids illegal? Well, what if this organization ends up having a disproportionate number of extremists/racists in it? People who think only their own race should live on. I mean if you give someone the power, eventually it will be abused.

Anonymous

I don't want to make it illegal. I want a due process that can hopefully be used as a way of preemptively preventing cases of abuse.

Anonymous

I am WELL aware that power gets abused which is where I have a massive dilemma. I hate limiting personal freedoms. But this is the one time where I feel like there needs to be this kind of system.

Anonymous

In the current system, unless abuse is reported the child is assumed to be looked after. There are simply not enough resources to check on every child.

Anonymous

That is a TERRIBLE system. In that system the only person who can really report the abuse are the people doing the abusing.

nobody

Hmmm... makes some sense. But I'm not a fan of giving the governments the power to selectively breed their population. It won't end well.

Anonymous

5:52 PM

Not governments, no. Absolutely not governments.

Anonymous

Governments should have zero involvement in my idea.

nobody

Eventually, it will be governments

Anonymous

Yeah, that is my fear.

Anonymous

Which is exactly why this is so tough for me to try and... Think about. Or how to avoid that or what to do.

Anonymous

The current answer is our current system which is... Do nothing until we know it is happening. This is not a sufficient or fair system.

nobody

5:54 PM

Plus your system will probably not stop all abuse anyways.

Anonymous

Of course it won't.

Anonymous

The law doesn't stop all crime.

Anonymous

We still have it.

Anonymous

The police don't stop all crime, we still have police.

nobody

They only stop the crime they want to :)

Anonymous

5:55 PM

Sure. I don't disagree.

Anonymous

But your comment is suggesting that there is no point doing it because it won't stop all abuse, which while I cannot disagree with it. It is not a decision I can accept as being the correct one.

Anonymous

If your comment doesn't suggest that, my apologies. Just how it reads.

Anonymous

Also as a side note to this...

Anonymous

Do you think this solution would be more... Commonly regarded IF genocides similar to the one from the Nazi party didn't take place?

Anonymous

You mentioned one of your reasoning's as being racism, I assume that also includes xenophobia, etc. So... Perhaps that is why I don't see much around "my" idea.

nobody

5:58 PM

@J-- Yup

@J-- Well, I just don't like this because of my perception of current governments

Anonymous

Oh, I totally understand that.

Anonymous

I myself totally distrust my own government (and many others). I often do not feel safe in my own country because of my government, I fully understand that viewpoint. It isn't something I could disagree with.

Anonymous

I also cannot disagree with you that eventually it would likely end up government controlled or influenced. It could also lead to more abuse... I mean, look at the BBC and the childrens programs that they kinda' kicked off in the UK.

Anonymous

All that did was get pedophiles to become children's presenters. It created a situation for abuse. A system like this could very well do that in a similar vain.

Anonymous

But I also cannot allow myself to believe our current system is a better one.

nobody

6:01 PM

Yeah probably it isn't

Maybe we should educate people to be better parents instead?

Anonymous

Agreed. My system would include something like that.

Anonymous

But it would have to be mandatory because if not then the abusers would never show up.

nobody

Yeah

Anonymous

I also believe that is a very good solution and something as society we should absolutely strive for.

nobody

If you can make sure your system will never be abused, I will go with it :)

Otherwise no

Anonymous

6:03 PM

Unfortunately, I think such a requirement is unlikely to ever be met.

Anonymous

As with most things in this world. Governments have such a tight grip on everything by now... We're too late to be free of them.

nobody

Wait, I have to do some work. I guess I'll back in 15 mins

Anonymous

Okay :D

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