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@pichi-wuana SQLi usually targets data on the server. XSS plants JS in the browser that executes in the browser of whomever sees it next - other users, or an admin account are possible targets. JS can then give up session data or redirect them to a phishing site, etc
 
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11:53
huh, I don't remember in particular that this place is, uh, dead
 
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16:00
I see common problem with people asking how to securely upload the file
I found the common solution to exorcise them all ;-)
With the micro-services for example
 
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20:02
When using security.stackexchange isn’t safe :
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Q: If an account gets hijacked and used for posting illegal material, will Stack Exchange be willing to cooperate with local attorneys?

user2284570It makes several years that this post is status-planned. There are reason to consider it won’t be status-completed in the upcoming years. So whatever I can do, my account can be hijacked anytime because web browser plugins don’t exists on mobile (thus, no https everywhere). Once done, it can be u...

The point is there’s nothing that can be done. accounts can be hijacked. It makes several years that thing is [tag:status‐planned] :
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Q: Why doesn't the Stack Overflow team fix the Firesheep style cookie theft?

RookFiresheep sniffs the network looking for session id's and makes it very easy for an attacker to hijack this authenticated session. It should be noted that Firesheep is nothing new ; it just makes this attack very easy. Many websites like Facebook (EDIT: Actually Facebook has patched this vulnerab...

not to mention :
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Q: When is the violation of OpenID 11.5.2 going to be fixed?

Lawrence DolThe Open ID spec requires that relying parties differentiate between HTTP and HTTPS URLs: 11.5.2. HTTP and HTTPS URL Identifiers Relying Parties MUST differentiate between URL Identifiers that have different schemes. But StackExchange (et al) strips the URL provided down to the base do...

which was opened several years ago too.
O....Kay
This may be a problem for some and not for others. Risks can be managed
So what is it you are asking
@RoryAlsop nothing. Isn’t that supposed to be chat ?
I'm just unsure as to why you raise it here when stackexchange have already contacted you
This community has already raised the profile of the various risks with SE.
@RoryAlsop : that legal one too ?
20:29
@user2284570 I would posit that this particular risk is effectively imaginary. It's what Schneier calls a "movie plot threat." Quite plausible theoretically, but in practice, the real level of risk is zero, or near enough to make no difference.
20:40
@user2284570 You can use https now. Since they moved away from Cloudflare, I haven't had any trouble.
they're still loading some mixed content, which isn't ideal
but does seem to loading better with HTTPS Everywhere
@Gilles internal links always redirect to the plaintext version of http. There’s no web browser extensions on Webᴏꜱ.
@Xander : I agree it tends to be purely theoretical. Only 70 persons were sentenced for that kind of thing on twitter (it was about the terrorists attacks of Charlie Hebdo).
@RоryMcCune : the point is to have cookies or passwords being sent in plaintext.
if you're majorly concerned about security might I suggest you don't use WebOS,
an OS which AFAIK is only very marginally supported
and is unlikely to be getting good security support on-going
@RоryMcCune : they use chromium as their web browser.
without plugin support?
20:52
@RоryMcCune yep. Like chrome on android
if they've got plugin support you can use HTTPS Everywhere
so no ad blocker ?!?
yeah I wouldn't surf without an ad blocker or ghostery at the very least
@RоryMcCune yes it makes ads needs to load.
eww, so you're getting tracked all over the place already
in an ideal world SE would indeed force HTTPS everywhere, but I've gotta say I'd rate that below no ad blocker in my list of security concerns
that said I guess you get some protection effectively from WebOS being rather niche
so not a lot of malware targeted at it
@RоryMcCune : It’s not because you can track someone you can technically hijack his account.
@user2284570 I'm not sure which point you're referring to there, sorry
lack of HTTPS allows tracking where the attacker can sniff traffic on your connection sure and indeed allows for account hijack too
all the ads you're not able to block allow for loads of tracking to be done
and no cookie management plugins mean it's pretty hard to protect yourself
in general I'd recommend using a platform that allows for browser plugins...
20:57
@RоryMcCune : they don’t receive cookies or passwords directly.
the ads don't? Well an ad network can set tracking cookies for their own domains
and they'll get those,
if that's what you're thinking of.
@RоryMcCune : so this exclude major web browsers on android. Though it would be interesting to know if pages loaded through their mobile app always use ʜᴛᴛᴘꜱ or behave like the real site.
why everyone talks about www hackng but little abut LAN hacking ?
why is it not considered as a threat
@user2284570 well firefox on android has plugin support.... addons.mozilla.org/en-gb/android
21:02
@RоryMcCune : very restricted plugin support. Most plugin doesn’t load including adblock+ or Greasmonkey.
if someone logs into a server from there workstation, is there anything can be done to get control of there workstation ?
saying that u have access to there server
@Developer not sure what give you the idea that no one talks about LAN hacking. I'd suggest looking up the terms "mimikatz" "powershell empire" "python responder"
@RоryMcCune : they need to have flags telling mobile is supported.
@user2284570 hey it's not perfect but it has an ad blocker :) and ghostery. that combo will block the vast majority of tracker
@RоryMcCune mimikatz and tools a like are very active... I want to learn about something very passive
21:03
@RоryMcCune : but loading happens on plaintext.
@Developer that isn't passive
@RоryMcCune : I also can’t see how this allow you to get on the session cookies of the main site.
@Developer yeah, what the other rory says, if you compromise a client when in control of a server on a LAN that's hardly passive
@user2284570 I didn't say it did...
@RоryMcCune : it only leak the referrer.
there must be some passive way, i heard stories about people getting access to 1 machine in LAN & easily then exploiting whole network,
but what if network is watched -- tools like mimikatz won't help
21:07
@Developer that isn't passive
pivoting from a compromised machine is very much active, and is in fact the typical way you'd progress an attack: find one weak machine, then use it as a base
I'm not sure what you are asking
@Xander : but it did happen on twitter (though the accounts weren’t hijacked and the authors were truly mad)
@RoryAlsop I think I am trying to find safest way to compromise a workstation
@Developer 'safest' meaning what
not getting caught ?
lowest chance of detection?
21:09
yes
@Developer if you're on a LAN and you already own the server, you can just connect to the client and run code on it, simple
(referring to a standard windows AD environment)
In this scenario, we only own a single machine with local admin account
@Developer okay, so you do have some passive options: listen for traffic to understand what is there and what it is typically doing
there is a domain admin hash - we harvested using mimikatz, but not sure where to go forward with it
@Developer you have a domain admin hash...
that's easy then
pass the hash
21:12
@RоryMcCune i believe so.. as there was a profile created on that machine with domain admin like an year ago. I believe hashes on a machine gets updated automatically even if admin won't log in for a long time
can use a username and hash and scan for systems where that hash is valid and use them to get access
but basically any pass the hash tool would likely do the job
there are many
@RоryMcCune what are chances to get detected
@RoryAlsop using wireshark, i believe it's detectable
lolz there's absolutely no way to answer that in the abstract sense, it totally depends on the level of monitoring being done on the target network
lol - you are right
if there's no active monitoring, then very little chance, if there's an active blue team expecting trouble then a good chance
21:16
what sort of information can we get from a machine that is taken out of network and is offline now, other then hashes
@Developer if you can't connect to it, nothing, otherwise anything that you normally could
is there any source to learn about exploiting a file share and is updated as well
@Developer loads of material online on fileshare exploitation
If you really want to do this properly there are some excellent courses, very intensive, that will get you to a position of some experience
21:21
yes - that's what I am really after
Otherwise it looks like you are sort of playing and not really learning, just asking simple questions and not really touching on actual penetration testing
I watched most on PluralSight, but there was very little on safe/passive/undetectable/lowRisk exploitation which is really am after
@Developer the proper courses take some months, and are reasonably expensive - there is a reason for that
Even one of the ones I used to co-teach was a month's worth of tuition
nothing on Youtube or a book
and my bit was just old school Unix and network protocols
@Developer yep - you'll need to actually commit to one of the proper courses if you want to work at this
@Developer actually, there are loads of materials in book and youtube form on this - they just aren't to the same leve
21:24
pass me a link
*to a course you want me to look into
You want to learn this - it would help if you are polite when people are offering their time for free to help guide you
Could you please pass me a link to the course you are talking about please :)
Better :-)
21:26
Thank you, let me dig it a bit deeper, brb ;)
@user2284570 So what you're saying is, it did not in fact, happen on Twitter.
Because we're not talking about people being prosocuted for the things they said on the interweb tubes, but for a very specific hijack threat with a much higher bar, which has, in fact, never actually occurred.
Anonymous
21:47
@RoryAlsop Is that a certification that's actually meaningful? (Not sarcastic.) I had been given the impression that most certifications aren't worth very much, but if you think this one is then I might look into it.
@JeremyBanks very much so - for a pen tester it's that, and CREST (if you are in the UK)
(@RоryMcCune - please feel free to add others)
Anonymous
Awesome, thanks for the information.
hello
been looking around, lots of good info on this stackexchange!
@IanC hello
@RoryAlsop, hey man! Still considering joining the community, once I'm able to contribute with it a little too :p
you work with infosec?
21:59
@IanC yup - for the past 17 years or so. Many of the folks here are professional security people
@IanC remember you can join to ask questions too, not just give answers
heya all
@IanC oh - you're a surfer too! Did you see facebook.com/WSL/videos/10153635207867058
@AviD evening
actually @IanC I would go even further and say that right now we need good questions even more than answers - we have plenty of people to provide those, but lately most of the new questions have not been great.
@RoryAlsop wow! 17 years is a lot of experience! Yeah, I try to surf, not doing so good lately haha
But there are some waves hitting the coast these days :)
@RoryAlsop I hadn't seem this video, last time I watched WSL was the puerto escondido big wave competition, really cool
@AviD Cool! I always been curious about some security issues (mostly on networks), now that I'm starting to read more about protocols (and playing with virtual machines networks) some doubts might appear
@IanC think it just came out today or yesterday
@IanC Well - previously I was a network and sysadmin for a while
(some of us here are ooooooold)
22:05
@RoryAlsop then you would like this:
@SushiDude @TheSweetKat @sec_tigger The Very Old Infosec People (VOIP) contest ought to be a thing. @TheRealSpaf @jack_daniel @rhm2k
yeah - some of those guys may win... You've met Jack, right?
not met him IRL, but know who he is
@AviD nice bloke
actually just had the opportunity to meet Wendy
gave a great talk at CyberWeek here
@AviD she's nice, eh
22:07
yeah, I was heckling her
@RoryAlsop I'll watch it on my cellphone, did a fresh ubuntu install, so I don't have flash yet :p
be right back guys, gotta cook something
IanC: You do not need flash on Linux to view most of the videos, definitely on Youtube and Facebook
IanC: But when you do, you there's built-in Flash Player in Google Chrome
@Aria Actually, I was considering getting chrome to avoid getting the outdated flashplugin, probably unsafe to keep using it right?
Well, it's best to don't have flash at all and use Firefox with Skia rendering backend which is the same as in Google Chrome
for the optimal experience
And when flash is needed, just use chrome, but I never had to
Some protected live video might need it for the moment, the transition to HTML5 is undergoing
Some non-protected live video as well
But the protected wont play in Linux now
@Aria cool, I didn't know about Skia rendering backend. Do I install it on firefox like an add on?
22:17
Heh. You said "best" and "Firefox" in the same sentence. Not ironically, either.
Time for a drink, then.
AviD: Firefox got very good recently and Chrome did not get better
IanC: You can change it in advanced preferences, just google and you'd find it how to change Cairo to Skia
IanC: Also look at Google apps, there are now packages like Google Earth, Music Sync, Hangouts etc
Hangouts works a lot better than Skype and it also works ok on the mobile
It's a lot better for "hangouts" that's what I do myself ;-)
@Aria I'll look for it, thanks! :)
I'm reading a book about TCP/IP, it's called TCP/IP Illustrated Vol.1, by W. Richard Stevens, you guys ever heard of it?
have any recommendations? tried to read "The Bible" translated in my language, but it was quite hard to advance on it
22:42
IanC: Wireshark is good toy to start with
It's good to have a look at basic coding of these things so it gives better understanding
@Aria Sure! I made kind of a "virtual lab". 2 Virtual machines running Kali and connected through a virtual network (so I can keep things contained). I've been trying some small things (like pinging, ARP requesting) to see what the packages look like and how the network would behave on unusual situations
what do you mean by basic coding? taking a look at those programs sourcecode?
23:04
It's good to know how low-level networking works in e.g. C, for example, sockets, UDP server / sender, TCP server / client
Because this helps a lot in understanding
I've programmed a bit in the past with higher level languages, and even a little bit of C, but never studied sockets for example, think I'll try to learn it
23:26
@Aria Firefox still does not have a sandbox. In 2016.
@Xander or job processes
tab isolation
I could go on...
23:58
IanC: It's good to know how this works, with strace one can see how it's moving bits etc, other scripting like Python is also good for this
IanC: Lot's of people have issues when it comes to understand why sometimes server sends 512 bytes and sometimes 400, and what is the udp socket buffer, multicast addressing etc

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