600 eur for me.

Well not a whole month, but definitely more than half

but that's one way. nope, too expensive.

I could always drive there

LOL google maps "Sorry, we could not calculate driving directions"

so it seems you cannot always drive there

Apparently Google found a ticket for $650

Several in fact

Wow, screw Kayak...

so any takers?

$650 for a round trip too

see ! deal! you always wanted to travel! lets go to rio

Surprisingly a one-way ticket is more expensive

I'm not going to pay $650 just to cuddle with some stranger on the internet.

@silverpenguin what are you going to do there?

I thought the current trend is Asia

@SmokeDispenser Driving in south america is seriously risky business

@DavidFreitag All I know of that I learnt from Top Gear.

@HamZa well i was going to have sex with a beautiful Brazilian woman and see big jesus

@SmokeDispenser Yup that's what it's like in all the mountainous regions (which is pretty much everywhere)

@silverpenguin then have sex with a brazilian hooker and see big jesus?

My brother in law is from Peru, and he's got some horror stories

@SmokeDispenser but then who will i see big jesus with e_e

May god guide you and forgive you for your sins, amen

@SmokeDispenser a hooker? heh...

@kalina wana go see big jesus?

@David I thought you'd find this entertaining twitter.com/marcan42/status/716672056683732992

@silverpenguin just remember to bring some heavy-duty antibiotics with you

oh gawd

@DavidFreitag il think il avoid the hookers

@DavidFreitag muwhaha

@silverpenguin maybe he meant kalina.

@Adi Haha that's awesome

@SmokeDispenser I... uh... what...?

@silverpenguin Well you did just break up

@DavidFreitag exactly.

on the other hand, it was long distance anyway

@DavidFreitag I dont fucking care why lol

@silverpenguin wut

btw, @silverpenguin, in all sincereness: sorry about that. ask @Simons mom maybe?

Shut top.

@SmokeDispenser Yeah at least she won't make @silverpenguin pay

:D

she's happy to be paid in kind?

:)

@kalina DMZ...

@SmokeDispenser you're new here, you don't get to tell me about the DMZ

@kalina it can be if you want it to be..

wana come rio with me?

oh gawd, pls

@MarkBuffalo "I can show up drunk, if that helps";)

@silverpenguin I've been to Rio

@SmokeDispenser or i.sstatic.net/91bPb.jpg

:28737986 why delete it?

@HamZa that's a future plot for one of my music videos

@kalina You should be less upset about where he asked you to go, but what he asked you to do while you're there

except on a larger scale

@DavidFreitag pls, I didn't want to bring attention to his overflattering of himself

@kalina so have I ... I just now have an apartment and 2 and half weeks in rio by my self

@kalina Well he did say 'possibly'

@silverpenguin go to the beach, meet someone there.

I'm trying to be nice

As in "small chance in hell, pleeeeeeease what if I make puppy-dog eyes"

As I thought that nobody could get creepier than the whole DMZ collective, those 2 new lads' arrival changed everything.

or just chill by yourself.

@Simon it is quite weird atm

definitely not the best environment

@Simon Indeed.

we went from too much drama to too much creep

@Simon who what where?

Hello this is your friendly Room owner, can we all please reduce the creepiness level by 0.3 or greater

@RоryMcCune Or what, our friendly room owner will suddenly become unfriendly? Hah!

'cause ya know if @Simon is calling you creepy, you've got problems :op

@Simon ur not calling me a creep right?

I think the creepiness needs reducing more than that... Maybe more like a 2.3

@RоryMcCune can we reduce it by 0.7

@silverpenguin YOU'VE JUST INVITED HER TO RIO

@Matthew I assumed the scale maxed at 1

@DavidFreitag hells no I'll start kicking people like I've got a new pair of kicking boots that need breaking in

@Simon the invite is for everyone!

@Simon Technically it was an open invitation.

@RoraΖ Hi

@RоryMcCune That sounds awful unfriendly to me! :d

@RоryMcCune you should give me room owner for like 10 minutes so I can set up the user list and we can gallery mode at will

@kalina Hmm, possibly. But negative creep factor could work too

I just want someone to go to rio with me :(

or you could do it yourself, but... #fogey

@Matthew oh no, negative creep factor is just as bad

@Matthew @kalina well I hadn't really decided on scale but in my head it was 0-1

@kalina that sucks so hard :(

instead of being weird creepy they become weird creepy

like coathanger smiles

@kalina Makes me wonder if I'd make it on that list.

and wide eyes

@kalina pls I offered you room owner, but you weren't interested

@silverpenguin I suspect that Visa applications would prove the problem, given 4 days notice

@DavidFreitag pls you're more regular than I am

that escalated quickly

@RоryMcCune this isn't permanent, I'd only be on the "read/write" list

@Matthew nope... rio is very open

@kalina only cause he eats his fibre

@JourneymanGeek ...

as an british person I do not needs the visa

@JourneymanGeek Hahahaha

@DavidFreitag There was also an extra specific one to kalina. ANd not the same variation to any other user.

@silverpenguin but we might.

@kalina What does being irregular have anything to do with it?

@SmokeDispenser no your german, germans have the least visa requirments

dovid how cold is it where you are right now?

@silverpenguin you're

@kalina now really is not the time :(

@Simon -10°C and approx 7" 18cm of snow on the ground, why?

@silverpenguin yes it is.

heh. I wonder how long my indian unpassport will take to get here

Oh fuck me, 5-10 cm of snow on Wednesday and I wanted to put on my summer tires today QQ

@DavidFreitag JW 'cause it's that cold here too.

i hate everything so much

@Simon Yeah it's supposed to snow on and off all week here

@silverpenguin You and me both.

Its unseasonably hot here

@silverpenguin it's always time

<3 airconditioning.

@JourneymanGeek FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

and the new system is awesomesauce.

@silverpenguin Why are you in full QQ mode right now?

@Simon everybody is in full QQ mode

oh wait, nope

I'm not

@Simon i broke uo with my GF 4 days before i was meant to go visit her in rio

@DavidFreitag You'd likely complain if it was hot too

just emopenguin

@silverpenguin Well you broke up with her so you shouldn't be QQing.

You should be happy.

@silverpenguin long distance relationships are a bit wonky.

you did a long distance relationship?

@JourneymanGeek I would kill for 30°C and sunny right now

@kalina tried

or did you never actually meet her

@DavidFreitag 27 degrees and... sunny

I knew a guy who dated a adorable french girl who cheated on him, dumped him, then switched genders.

#mylife

@kalina FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I want to star those and keep them in order...

@kalina of course I have met her -_- ... would be weird for her to pay half of everything and agree to stay in an apartment with me for 17 days if she had never met me

@JourneymanGeek he really was that bad in bed

@JourneymanGeek Well that's embarrassing.

@kalina maybe

@JourneymanGeek sounds like an episode of friends

@kalina Apparently so was the other guy

@DavidFreitag he never said cheated on him with another man

It always made me lulz when people have to get a SO from another country, as if everyone in their own country were like "u fugly son"

your homophobic assumption is homophobic

@kalina oooo good point

@Simon heh, sometimes you just feel a connection with some folk

its not about fugly

@Simon sometimes you have to import the finer things

just that... the logistics is a pain

I'm such a hermit

I guess this is what happens when a 2 year love interest is spawned from omegle

@kalina maybe she was THAT good...

@kalina :[

@silverpenguin lolwut

@HamZa yup

I'm really trying to do my best to not laugh at you.

@Simon The distance to the next country tends to be significantly smaller in Europe though. I have a girlfriend that is from another country, but it's only 2h15 drive.

@Simon :(

@silverpenguin I've never used such means, dating sites neither. Maybe that's why I'm still single :P

@Simon stops laughing - Oh, were we not supposed to laugh?

@bilbo_pingouin well that is quite good

@HamZa I have been with too many women... maybe its time i give up and become a monk

@Arperum Yeah that's legit. However, UK => Rio is definitely not an easy travel.

@Simon True.

@silverpenguin Or switch to men

@DavidFreitag I think i might just try being an add on for a 3 way... it could work...

I did meet her at some concert. So no online shenanigans were involved in the meeting each other part.

@bilbo_pingouin wait you're new, who are you?

Can I just point out: NSFW...

@Arperum nice! good old classic way

I didn't realize we were still accepting new people

@Matthew what?

@silverpenguin That would never work for me, I would just end up standing in the corner waiting for my turn

ô_ô

@DavidFreitag strange people :P

@Matthew WHat is nsfw? That I met a girl at a concert?

I've been here for 30 mins and I feel like that's enough DMZ for the day.

@Simon It's never enough.

@Simon i broke the DMZ im sorry

@Simon we should go make our own channel

You'd just flag everything I'd type.

we can call it The Room With A Moose

@kalina Channel?

#irc

o

@kalina or PPV boxing

@Simon no you're being nice to me all of a sudden

like you've found a new target to torment

@silverpenguin I'm pretty sure you would not be invited. You are a significant part of the creepiness in this room.

@kalina I think it's because someone else is being creepy, I think @silverpenguin broke @Simon

on the phone trying to see if i can get any refund what so ever

Did anyone else notice there are two @Simon's in here? Ambiguous pings FTW

@Arperum not really, im hardly ever creepy

@silverpenguin You already bought the ticket? rip

@DavidFreitag its been planned for 3 months!

@DavidFreitag no @Simon is not normally creepy

@silverpenguin ... Let's say that what I just gave you is my viewpoint of the situation. And I'm rather certain I'm not the only person who sees it like that.

@kalina Maybe @Simon's PWK course is turning him into an adult

@DavidFreitag that's unfortunate for the other @Simon

All that penetration

LEAVE ME ALONE

@kalina Indeed, poor @Simon

@Arperum fair enough..

@silverpenguin That's not true, you're pretty freaking creepy.

@DavidFreitag At least it's forcing me to learn a tiny bit of C.

Because C is for cookie, that's good enough for me

@Simon That's a good thing, it will grow hair on the hair on your chest

@kalina I've been around for the last weeks, but I'm not talking much...

@DavidFreitag There's more than enough freaking hair on my chest.

It doesn't just grow on my face you donut.

especially 'cause you guys write waaayy too much for me at to follow at work... :)

@Simon Really? Twitter says otherwise...

@DavidFreitag WAT

@Simon I am virtually hairless. Without the meager amount of face fuzz I look like a 12 year old

@kalina :D

ask @MarkBuffalo, he knows

poor dovid

@DavidFreitag really?

@Simon COOKIEEES

@Simon Yes, poor me

@DavidFreitag That sounds a lot like innuendo >_<

@bilbo_pingouin why haven't you been chatting much?

There are two reasons why I have a beard: 1- I no longer look like I'm 12 2- I get to shave only once a week

@Simon tell me more

@kalina because a lot of crap is being said?

My body is a conglomeration of weird and wonderful infirmities.

@HamZa crap about whom?

@HamZa That's supposed to come out the other end

lol

I periodically mow my face

@kalina A lot of off-topic shit, if this were SO, it would have long have been frozen.

@HamZa I'm unsure how this is a bad thing

you see, nobody here cares about SO

or its policies

Hi folks, could I ask a security question or is this a bad time?

go for it

it's always a good time for a security question

Oh, the other @Simon is a mod.

@SmokeDispenser now look what you've done

@kalina That's whad I'd like to hear.

@kalina wat

@SmokeDispenser Yes, but don't worry too much. I'm a mod on Code Review.

@SimonForsberg contrary to popular belief, this is still first and foremost an information security room

@SimonForsberg oh that's like not even a real mod

Oh no, he's the kind of guy that doesn't like comments like "I'm sorry" in a function.

@SimonForsberg that's what this is for... try to sneak in a donut or a euphemism if you can, though

// kludge because HOMETIME

Connecting through HTTPS between servers that are within the same firewall, and accepting any certificate that is thrown at you, how good of a practice is that?

@kalina Real enough to get you suspended ;) And CR is fully graduated so it sure feels real.

@SimonForsberg as good as using HTTP.

@SmokeDispenser that's not quite true

@SimonForsberg oh look, escalating immediately straight to threats of suspension

Care to elaborate?

yawn

@SimonForsberg you lose endpoint validity checking, so you're vulnerably to an active man-in-the-middle but you're still likely protected against passive traffic sniffing

@kalina No threats, just information ;)

@kalina what should I say? I can't enforce those policies. This room isn't interesting any more lately

@kalina Well I try to hide the chat window when at work, and you guys write really a lot. And then, being relatively new to this site, I prefer to to disturb... :)

@RоryMcCune well, not completely. it makes it harder to eavesdrop, but that's it basically?

@HamZa sorry :(

@SimonForsberg if the attacker can get you to connect their server they can present you any cert. and you'll accept it, this ruins a decent part of SSLs protection

although you say lately, I assume you mean weeks/months

which exempts me because I've been here for years

@RоryMcCune Is there a risk of man-in-the-middle attacks even when it's behind the same firewall?

that must mean you're talking about @MarkBuffalo @silverpenguin and the other one

phew

@SmokeDispenser depends on the network and the attacker, in some cases passive sniffing is easy, active MITM less so.

@RоryMcCune Yeah, that's my concern also...

@SimonForsberg there's always a risk

@SimonForsberg totally depends on the network in question :). all in a datacentre with loads of other controls, perhaps not, on a large poorly regulated network (perhaps a university) the risk could be quite high

@RоryMcCune I was misinterpreting the network setting in the question, as it seems.

@kalina I was here like 3 years ago, totally another atmosphere

You're totally another atmosphere.

@HamZa that was before @Simon bought in #yolo

Yeah, I bought #yolo.

and this silly "you're <whatever you last said>" thing

I'm the yolo lord.

(facepalm)

which I agree are both quite silly

I keep trying to get him to stop but everybody else seems to tolerate/like it

indifference is basically the same as acceptance

It's pretty much like Stockholm syndrome: they hated it at first and now enjoy it.

@kalina well that and several people have picked up/used it, so it's active acceptance...

@RоryMcCune On a quite big telephone company? The worst part for me is that as only one of about a thousand developers, I don't know that much about the security setup around here.

@RоryMcCune well look, it's driving people like @HamZa away

as room owner this is partially something you should care about

@kalina Seriously, what's up with you trying to get rid of me these days?

partially? probably? what?

@Simon I'm not trying to rid of you

Right, you're trying to change me which is arguably worse.

@SimonForsberg It really depends on whether or not an attacker could get access to a server in that network. The bigger the network, the more likely.

out of my top 10 favorite people in here you range from a 1 to not on the list

@SimonForsberg well large networks tend to present more risks in that regards, especially if they're tempting targets (e.g. have high value data). It's safe to say that large networks are at risk of MITM attacks from determined attacks, and using SSL in that way strikes me as being likely to be someone trying to comply with the letter of the law "encrypt things" whilst avoiding the spirit "actually do it right"

buying help from someone with power who won't ride kalinuh's ween

buying help

@kalina there's a fine line to this, if you kill off all "off-topic" chat the room would be deadsville... If you allow too much people leave

@RоryMcCune yes but I'd gain so much more free time

@RоryMcCune Well, this is about a new feature that I'm working on developing, so this is nothing we have released yet. And while doing a Code Review, I had some security concerns.

@kalina sure but if we banned all non-security chat, would you even turn up here?

@RоryMcCune that's what I just said

but that in itself isn't a good enough reason to actually lose people who would otherwise be active contributors

@SimonForsberg, there seldom are good reasons to disable certificate checks, btw. Did the dev in question have some?