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16:02
the closest thing I can think of is tamil and malayalam
which have the same roots, but a few hundred years of divergence
@MarkBuffalo that sounds like the dialects/accents in the UK :-)
@RoryAlsop I talked to a guy from Scotland once... I understood zero words he said
But that was just one guy. There were plenty of other scots I could understand
@RoryAlsop thats why the englishman, the irishman and the scotsman keep walking into pubs... getting drunk is the only way we can understand each other
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@MarkBuffalo lol - @RоryMcCune has posted some excellent guides to the language spoken in Glasgow and that side of the country :-)
(I have family in Scotland too)
16:07
@MarkBuffalo You'd easily understand me...until I speak in the Orcadian dialect
then most Scots can't
my father is a laird of Scotland
@RoryAlsop Orcadian? So you're an orc?
@silverpenguin did he buy one of the plots of land? Or is properly a laird?
@MarkBuffalo ...erm...yeah
@RoryAlsop yes xD i bought it for his birthday xD
@silverpenguin lol
16:09
I smell like tacos
looks awesome
@RoryAlsop I would have had to shout at the man in the photo on top of the cliff... either hurry up and do it im trying to take a picture or dont do it you have everything to live for... something inappropriate of course
@silverpenguin Climbers do like to pose for scale :-)
16:17
@MarkBuffalo So, there's tribes that require as little as 1/32 BQ for you to qualify as a member and some that require just one recognized tribal member in your entire family tree? Interesting.
@RoryAlsop im terrible with climbing photos... I tried to take one of me at the summit of mt fuji... but I ended up un able to see anything other than my self
@silverpenguin I tend to photograph anything except me - I have a real dislike of selfies
@silverpenguin That's not a photography problem, that's a psychology problem. I think they call it Narcissism.
@Iszi s/narcissism/sexiness
@silverpenguin Yeah, I think that actually just further demonstrates my point.
16:19
@RoryAlsop me too but i needed proof that i made it lol
@Iszi This is racism
On the rez, if you don't have high-enough blood quantum, people look down on you
"blonde, quarter-blood, son of a bitch"
They believe their quantum makes them superior
@MarkBuffalo do they all have to get tattoos of the dark mark?
@silverpenguin that's where I was thinking of similarities :-)
heh, no
@Ohnana montana
16:22
and if you're on the census committee, you can adjust your blood quantum
Raise it if you want, make yourself 100%
@MarkBuffalo In a certain respect, it is. But there are so many laws that pertain to racial "minorities" - and to specific races - that it becomes necessary to draw a line somewhere.
@MarkBuffalo what .... people are dumb... I hate people
@Iszi well, after President Jackson happened, i think 1/32 is the best you can get sometimes :\
It's really a stupid thing here in America. (Are we even unique in this?) In order to prevent, or curb the effects of, unjust racial discrimination we have laws that actually end up promoting it - just in reverse.
Also, you can adjust other people's blood quantum and expel them from the tribe to deny them benefits/memberships, even federally-bestowed benefits
This happens in larger tribes where more money is at stake, or they simply don't like you
It allows the council members to get a bigger cut of the check.
16:26
@Iszi overcompensation \o/
@MarkBuffalo The bit about federally-bestowed benefits is just plain stupid. The governing body granting a benefit should be the sole body capable of determining (and affecting, if that's possible) qualifications for it.
But the leadership wants to be self-governed, even if they do a terrible job at it.
@MarkBuffalo this is just mind-boggling
> Of all the cultures that exist in the United States, Indians are the
only ones who have to have membership cards to prove their
ethnicity.
16:29
who the hell thought they could legislate racial lines
What I mean is: If the U.S. federal government is granting a benefit, then they should be the only organization who draws the lines to determine who gets it. And they should also be the only organization capable of affecting an individual's ability to qualify (if it can be affected by a government at all, which - at an individual level - should be impossible).
@Ohnana Same folks who probably thought they could legislate gender lines? (Runs from blast zone.)
@Iszi i see your logic
/shakes fist at PA government
@Iszi agreed
Also, we have racist / unfair / nepotism-based hiring practices
"We're hiring for X job. Indians will be considered first. Oh, I mean our family and friends first... then anyone else."
Imagine doing that in the real world (America). "We're hiring for X job. Our hiring preference is white males. If we can't find white males, we'll extend this to white females... blacks last."
@MarkBuffalo ...i'm pretty sure that still happens
like, not to be all edgy and shit but the tech sector has had serious issues with that
Do they publicly state that, though?
16:34
@MarkBuffalo Wonder what would happen if you ran for President with a commitment to abolish all laws granting sovereignty to Indian reservations.
We publicly state that we hire Indians first. It's right there on the job board
@Iszi I'd do that. I'd totally 100% do that.
but Indians would hate me
@MarkBuffalo true, they do have to be hush hush for it
Their children would love me after they get jobs, and have a better life
@RoryAlsop Niiiiice.... and people ask why I don't drink city water.
@MarkBuffalo Yeah, but what's the percentage of the active voting population that you'd lose with that?
16:36
@Iszi I might actually run on this platform just to bring attention to all the issues on the rez, on the national level
It's 6°C and pouring outside.
@MarkBuffalo A little late to join for this round, I think. Otherwise, I'd say "Go for it - I wanna see what The Donald has to say about this!"
On some level I think nepotism isn't a bad thing
Does anyone know why I can't access my post? It shows It’s not you, it’s us. This is our fault.
Can someone else access it fine?
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Q: What are these links that have been sent to me multiple times on facebook?

TheBro212 friends of mine have sent me very suspicious links on facebook, which ask me for credentials on an external site. Entering [email protected] in the username, and 1234 for the password let me in, and redirect me to some car specifications, even though the post said that it was a video. I access...

16:40
@TheBro21 Probably got deleted.
@TheBro21 Doesn't work for me either
@DavidFreitag It's still on the main page. Can someone access it? It says nothing about delete
Ok, noticed
@TheBro21 No, the site's fallen over at the moment.
@Xander I see. Thanks :)
None of the questions are working.
Strange that I did not bother to try
16:42
We are aware of issues on the network right now with loading questions and browsing. They are being actively investigated.
That's all of SE I assume.. Or is it just security?
That's interesting
@TheBro21 for reference, a question that's been deleted will have a 404 page that says "this question has been removed for reasons of moderation or been deleted voluntarily by the author"
@TheBro21 All of se
@TheBro21 All. It's a network-wide issue.
16:43
it's very clear when something's been deleted
@Ohnana I have seen the deleted pages, but this one was different, so definitely this SE sites down
@Ohnana What about when it's your own question?
i saw one of the SE devs having a minor vent on twitter this morning, i think he hosed something up :OOO
@DavidFreitag same thing i think
@DavidFreitag AFAIK, when you delete your own question, you see it in pink, but I am unsure of that. Or it disappears from the main page
@Ohnana Really? You don't get to view your deleted question with the opportunity to edit it and try for reopen?
16:45
@DavidFreitag if it's been deleted, it's utter garbage that no editing can save
delete == try again fool
@Ohnana But mods can undelete, so can't you too?
edit and try for reopen is what closing is for
@Ohnana I thought close = try again fool ?
@Xander Hahahaha, what?!
@DavidFreitag well, you don't have to make a whole new question, you can salvage a closed question. deletion is beyond helping
16:46
@Ohnana Makes sense.
@Ohnana Ha ha, yup. That's awesome.
MSE works
@TildalWave Yeah, it's the only site up right now.
Up for people to ask what's going on :D
16:50
@TildalWave Pretty sure that's because MSE is hosted differently
Is SO the only one with changing images?
@Iszi That's the snag: the US federal government is not granting a benefit, but a compensation for past wrongs.
@SmokeDispenser are you refresh hammering the error page? you're the worst kind of person
@SmokeDispenser Yes, AFAIK.
@Ohnana no. I came to realize SO had different images some time ago.
16:51
Fixed.
@Xander Fixed?
Considering I'm on a mobile, "hammering" might even be too much;)
yeah not fair I was enjoying going through all custom error messages
@TildalWave You can still go through them
Just craft a bogus link
@DavidFreitag Yeah. Sites are working again.
16:52
@TildalWave just append /error
@DavidFreitag I don't wanna break it ... again LOL
@TildalWave Well it only broke because someone at SE broke it
Unless SE really is that fragile
I didn't say what :P
Sometimes the smallest change you can make is a huge one. That's today. If Stack Overflow looks like craigslist in a few hours...it was me.
^^ SE dev like 3 hrs ago
16:56
the fact that they're still testing new things on production servers in 2016 is worrying to say the least
@TildalWave This is the CI/CD/DevOps ethos. Agile and Kanban at its very lean best.
agile. dev is for losers, prod is for the cool kids
I'm tempted to flag that as offensive :P
@realnzall We don’t have clients. This code is for us. We will do as we please. If you’re offended, Twitter has a button for that.
rekt
@DavidFreitag wow what an ass
17:04
@silverpenguin No, that person was being particularly annoying
still explains a lot
@DavidFreitag suppose context right? xD
@silverpenguin That's kinda why I posted a link.
@TildalWave I told you -- SO/SE contributors are not customers, they are the product.
Customers are the people who pay for ads.
17:19
If you think no one uses colorful metaphors in code, you’re going to have a bad time: https://github.com/search?q=fuck&type=Code https://t.co/qxgmyYXQZX
^ A Star Trek IV reference?
@ThomasPornin s/product/asset
I'm most definitely not a product of SE, nor would I want to be
I actually can't stand most of them
and yes, I used that button that Craver suggested
We are both the demand and the supply.
we're their core business and unless they pull their heads out of their bottoms and acknowledge that they'll lose us
simple as
Never happen
SE started as "experts exchange without the evil"... I predict a near future where some other entrepreneur will start a "stack exchange without the evil"
all of this has happened before, and it'll happen again, and again,...
17:27
How was experts exchange evil?
I remember it required you to log in, so I never registered
@MarkBuffalo Pay to play
Ah, that is indeed a bad model.
Also, they are total dicks
@DavidFreitag SE is turning into this
A lot of people can be really, extremely dickish when you're first starting out
@MarkBuffalo What? No they aren't
17:29
oh yes they are
@TildalWave Example?
they're neglecting their core business ever since they got the 50 mill injection
And that makes them dicks...?
I didn't say that
1 min ago, by TildalWave
oh yes they are
17:30
well, you said the word
wow, huge wall of black clouds coming in.
@SmokeDispenser You're North of Germany?
and I have to motivate myself to go to the pub in an hour. that'll be hard to manage :)
@TildalWave, yes
I beg someone in this room do my homework my head is going to explodes
17:34
@silverpenguin I think you have bigger issues than homework
Like the impending need for a mop
@DavidFreitag its fine the splats can hide in the coke spills and KFC grease
I feel like shit
@TildalWave why?
@SmokeDispenser oh I get regular updates from around Bremen :)
@TildalWave, from where I am, that's not considered northern germany;)
it's about a two and a half hour drive south;)
17:41
northern-ish enough, you know those "hills" they call "mountains" just South of Hamburg don't really stop much anything :D
:D
you mean the alps?;)
and it's technically "seaside", they build ships there ;)
@SmokeDispenser no, no.... those small hills just South of Hamburg when you hit the autobahn
maybe they call them Alps there LOL
@DavidFreitag porque? esta loco?
@silverpenguin se no hablas espanol
@DavidFreitag lel whats up chuck
17:48
@DavidFreitag no hablo... ;)
@TildalWave No I said what I meant
what do you think you said?
"You not speak Spanish"
@TildalWave Hamburg is still south. as south as munich from here;)
@DavidFreitag erm, no
17:50
@TildalWave Thanks google
@SmokeDispenser Denmark?
@TildalWave, almost. Kiel.
The drive to denmark is faster (and about as long) than to hamburg;)
OK but you're not nearly as far North from Bremen than Bremen is from Munich
not even half that
more like 1/4th
well
from my perspective, everything south of hamburg is bavaria;)
yet, I might have to adjust that attitude when moving to bonn in a few weeks.
Bonn ... heh, that's the city I wish JFK had that speech ... cc @ThomasPornin :)
he said he wished he had it in Hamburg, but "Ich bin ein Bonner" sounds even better
18:01
well, just as the hail begins I must get ready for the pub.
hahaha
I love how you go an look up procedure from Microsoft and it never works the way it is supposed too.
Anyone have experience deploying printers through GPO"?
@JukEboX you wanna ask that on Server Fault
I mean in their main chat ... whatsitcalled?
@TildalWave I think Slack?
@SmokeDispenser You in Florida bro? Wife just told me there's hail near our house too.
@Iszi, absolutely not making that joke now. Must take a shower, nonetheless;)
Sooo, how was everyone's Easter?
18:14
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Q: Deploy Printers To NON-User Through GPO

JukEboXTrying to deploy printers to Windows 7 x64 computers for NON-ADMIN users. Server is a 2008R2 running Print Management. 3 Printers are HP LaserJets installed on the print server. I have used Print Management and used "Deploy With Group Policy" and the printers are deploying when I login as an adm...

Any help appreciated :)
@Iszi Germany. He's in Germany.
@MarkBuffalo I have found a massive social engineering potential in a massive massive massive massive company... e_e it actually hurts me inside about what I could phish... I know it isnt a technical bug / security hole... but fuck my life I cannot even begin to explain how deep i could make this go if i was evil.
@silverpenguin Every single corporation is vulnerable to this
A skilled phisher will infiltrate any organization, period
@Xander your my hero
There is literally no way to stop them if they know what they're doing.
There are plenty of idiots, yes...
And those idiots are easy to catch
18:21
@MarkBuffalo I know... but but ahhh! I wish i could tell you, this isnt even like skilled... like ahhh T___T
@silverpenguin So report it to the organization's security team
You have a duty to do that
@JukEboX Happy to help.
@MarkBuffalo I just dont know why companies allow external emailing for a department so important to integraty. which does not need external emailing or internet access
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Q: Ongoing Executive Impersonation Attack

ESultanikA friend of mine runs a small business that was recently targeted by a relatively sophisticated "executive impersonation" wire transfer spearphishing attack. The attacker registered a domain that was a slight variant to the target company's that was visually similar, and spoofed a convincing E-m...

"spearphishing" oh lawd
The "randpackageconfig" is a fun build option
> randpackageconfig - New config with random answer to package options
@Xander now I hope someone can help me figure it out.
18:29
Since when do people get banned from a chat for a year?
@Simon wut
wot
wet
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18:35
@Simon He was probably being a dick.
He must have been a huge one because he got rekt by shog himself.
Can't tell if he missed the joke or is intentionally passing it up.
wat
wit
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18:37
wyt
I DON'T WANT TO READ WIKI PAGES I'VE GOT ENOUGH WORK TO DO
BYE
> Dick, Dicks or Dick's may refer to: ... Dick, a diminutive for Richard
There's your spoon-feeding for the day.
@Iszi hehe
silly Canadians
@MarkBuffalo See, I know I'm late to this conversation, but I definitely don't see this. SE, as a whole, is actually doing a whole lot of things to ensure valuable contributors stay. That doesn't mean there aren't individual cock-ups and things that just don't work (tm) but on the whole I think they are doing the right things.
I haven't paid much attention to the behind-the-scenes machinations of SE lately, but I'd hope at least it's better than the Atwood days.
@RoryAlsop bla bla bla you sound like you've been converted
18:42
@RoryAlsop I guess I meant SO
On SO, on a previous account, I once had my post deleted by a mod who then used the content of my answer to propose his answer... and he began berating me in the comments
@kalina there was never any conversion. I do think the way you have been treated isn't right, but I don't think SE has ever been evil
@MarkBuffalo individual mods - sure. Humans with power going to their heads.
then I would have people who replied to me and insulted me, but who didn't offer any advice
@kalina I've always just been treated well by most folks, met some people I am happy I have met, enjoy my SE experience
SE's indifference to the goings on that resulted in me forming my opinions the way I did is hardly saintly
I like SE in general, but stay away from SO. Don't usually need it anyway
18:45
In fact the only really horrible folks were horrible specifically because I am a mod, so it doesn't really impact me too much
@MarkBuffalo I tend to avoid the trilogy, myself
Well of course you do, there is only one Matrix movie
@kalina pffffft
but really it was the fact I got banned for complaining about their indifference that really bothered me
@kalina agreed. I don't know if they just went with the slew of folks being gits to you. Dunno if it was an easy option. Definitely doesn't sound nice
@kalina That's screwed up.
18:48
@kalina you know there is an element of you that is very good at winding people up though, right? I always assume it is deliberate
I'm not meaning anything nasty, but you like to 'test' people a bit
in Mos Eisley, Mar 11 at 22:50, by Ana
@Richard You don't particularly seem to be enjoying yourself here, so I'll note that no one is forcing you to use SE chat. However, trying to lure people into sketchy off-site chatrooms isn't kosher. Don't do that again.
Some folks cope well with it, others not so much - they take it very personally
Seems like that's what got him in the end.
boo hoo, SE not happy with people luring others off the site
obvious sign that they're not confident in their chat offerings
TIL (thanks to @SmokeDispenser):

The German letter ß is called the "sharf S" - in English, "sharp S".

According to Duden (German equivalent of OED), "sharf" has some 20 or so different meanings. Among these, it is also a colloquialism for "horny".

So, in a sense, it could rightly be said that the German alphabet actually has a horny letter in it - ß.

Of course this comes from the language natively spoken by Freud.
18:50
@RoryAlsop you know, the vast majority of the time I am merely being misunderstood
@kalina I get that, but I also get the impression that you do enjoy a bit of that too
Am I wrong?
but yes when faced with a fascist dictatorship masquerading as a democracy I will tell any representatives to eat their own shit
@kalina lol - fair enough :-)
@kalina I liked the second one. It was only the third that really let the trilogy down.
@Xander tbh the second two are a good standalone movie
but they're hardly sequels to superman from the ending of the first one
who is "going to show these people what you don't want them to see"
@RoryAlsop tbh I just roll with it now, it's been like four years
sometimes it's just too much energy to try and explain
@kalina well - I'm glad you're a part of conversation here, even if I still don't know if you really are Taylor Swift...
I'm definitely 100% not Taylor Swift
@kalina clever OpSec, very clever :-)
18:54
which is exactly what Taylor Swift would say under the circumstances
I know, I know...
/sigh
@Simon looks like he was suspended because he couldn't "be nice"
in Spades, Mar 16 at 1:07, by Ana
Ya'll have been trying real hard to pin down lots of hard, fast rules. The only thing we really want though is for people to be nice to each other.
@kalina lol x
did you see that, @RoryAlsop just sent me internet kisses
@RoryAlsop @kalina might at least be InfoSec Taylor Swift. I think at this point we've adequately established that she's an InfoSec nerd.
@kalina erm...laughing oud loud - Xtremely!
18:55
@Xander I know nothing about infosec and I'm definitely not infosec Taylor Swift
you're founding this belief on nothing more than understanding the Windows 10 EULA
@kalina woah - techie geek!
which wouldn't be infosec anyway
@kalina Of the Hershey's variety?
well yes, I obviously have an interest in technology... I produce dance music using computers
18:57
@DavidFreitag no who would eat hersheys when cadburys exists
@Xander yes, I understand how Stack Exchange works and I play a lot of games
@kalina Cadbury's isn't available year 'round
@kalina correct!
so I find gamification and collecting of items a thing
@DavidFreitag incorrect
Well, the mini eggs
Those can only be found here 'round easter time
18:58
@DavidFreitag yep - they seem to be available all year here
@kalina You're decorated like Audie Murphy.
(adds to list of stuff to take to NY)
I always buy three or four bags right around now
@Xander look at those badges, the vast majority of them are for fixing spelling mistakes and flagging things, not contributing in the manner that SE recognize as useful
That way when I get that craving in the fall/winter I have some
@RoryAlsop Well you can buy them here now, but only for another few weeks
18:59
yes, I have two populist badges, but... woman with a pony as an avatar on a technology site, what do you expect
Then the stores pack up the spring stuff and bring out summer stuff
@DavidFreitag all year long here, and they get even cheaper if not around easter

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