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@silverpenguin sup with you? No CTF today?:)
Hamza and I have pwned a tiny bit;)
@ColinCassidy reading vice itself is "sigh";)
00:34
Well, bed time for now anyway. Good night, @silverpenguin
01:11
@kalina FEEL THE BUUUURN. FEEL IT.
oh right i'm going to be working out again soon
damn you classes, and your paradoxical free time!
01:56
So how's everyone surviving Easter then?
I had so many goodies I can't even sleep :|
YES THAT'S THE EXCUSE I'M GOING TO USE AS WELL
hahaha OK which one did you mean to go with then?
uppers, downers, all arounders, beers, shots and wine
yeah sounds good but mine was a bit more family-safe
im going to bed because i feel like ive been doing some kind of survival training
01:59
eating dead wasps and drinking absinthe?
sorry, I just imagined Manny from Black Books for a second :)
oh gosh my feet
ok nn
nn @kalina
 
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04:26
> Scottish breakfast munchie box
@RоryMcCune @RoryAlsop Is this normal? This looks incredible.
No idea what the black stuff is, though.
05:08
@MarkBuffalo black pudding
and yes that's normal
 
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07:04
72.6 is low?
Shit. I'm envious.
On the rez, it's like 46-49
Wow, the average in some places is 80+
I want to be white when I grow up, so I can live longer.
lemme get the bleach.
or you could figure out what's killa ya folk, like shitty tinned food and booze, and such ;p
I already know... suicide, depression, stress, PTSD, bad food, bad life choices, etc
mental illness
or be a nac mac feegle
07:10
caused by a lifetime of abuse, etc
yer dead. This is the best possible world, so its clearly heaven
running water? frigging magic.
and yer don't even need to chase down and steal a cow with four of yer buddies.
(one for each leg. one to make sure it dosen't wake up)
you're confusing me now... I think you might be speaking white. I don't get it.
The Nac Mac Feegle (also sometimes known as Pictsies, Wee Free Men, and the Little Men) are a type of fairy folk that appear in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels Carpe Jugulum, The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, Wintersmith, I Shall Wear Midnight, Snuff, and The Shepherd's Crown. Aside from being six inches tall, they just about invert the Victorian concept of mystical and refined fairies, and hark back to the fairies of folklore, who were generally seen as occasionally helpful thieves and pests. The Nac Mac Feegles' skin appears blue because it is heavily tattooed and covered with wode, and...
The Nac Mac Feegle (also sometimes known as Pictsies, Wee Free Men, and the Little Men) are a type of fairy folk that appear in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels Carpe Jugulum, The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, Wintersmith, I Shall Wear Midnight, Snuff, and The Shepherd's Crown. Aside from being six inches tall, they just about invert the Victorian concept of mystical and refined fairies, and hark back to the fairies of folklore, who were generally seen as occasionally helpful thieves and pests. The Nac Mac Feegles' skin appears blue because it is heavily tattooed and covered with wode, and...
Jinx ;p
Interesting.
08:10
hahaha
@SwiftOnSecurity When it comes to incest software http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6163683/cycles-in-family-tree-software is the best
not sure why this makes me think of @Simon
maybe because it finally explains him
maybe because I think of him as a brother
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Q: Cycles in family tree software

Partick HöseI am the developer of some family tree software (written in C++ and Qt). I had no problems until one of my customers mailed me a bug report. The problem is that the customer has two children with their own daughter, and, as a result, he can't use my software because of errors. Those errors are t...

and your nephew?
@JourneymanGeek ?
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A: Cycles in family tree software

user779752You should have set up the Atreides family (either modern, Dune, or ancient, Oedipus Rex) as a testing case. You don't find bugs by using sanitized data as a test case.

hehe
@AviD "I think of him as a brother. And a nephew"
08:13
too confusing
Dont' forget frozen sperm... — Prof. Falken Jun 1 '11 at 7:25
I dont know what that context is, but still funny
@AviD as a nice summer snack!
@JourneymanGeek that thread is a cornucopia of hysterical comments
> rejigger all of your invariants
@AviD this is utterly disgusting. what the flying fuck????
hahah inorite
though if you read the SO q and answers there are actually legitimate situations
I literally feel sick to my stomach
literally literally?
Actually I can think of one realworld case...
Woody Alan
08:28
@JourneymanGeek yeah that one makes me sick to my stomach
and not just his movies
@JourneymanGeek here's another one - Craster and his harem of daughterwives.
(GoT reference...)
yup
That would be one crazy graph
and you'd need to go 3d for that
@JourneymanGeek and the lannisters and targaryens too
Oh, yeah
The insane asylums of westeros are probably full of genologists
which is why they relied on hair colour to tell who was whose daddy
heh
08:48
Morning
What a strange transcript to wake up to
3
We aim to please. Only cause our aim is bad.
 
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10:29
@RoryAlsop I'm not sure you meant to close the meta question, asking if a question is ontopic, as offtopic. Did you?
cuz thats kinda the purpose of meta, innit? ;-)
Erm.... I don't think I meant to do that
Did i
Blimming mobile app
Lemme go back and check
Oh, and @DavidFreitag: watertechonline.com/…
@AviD - yeah, I'm an eedjit
I thought it was rather meta-meta. Meta funny.
 
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12:08
In a DAC system implementation, what would be the appropriate response when: a person without 'grant privilege' attempts to delegate a 'privilege with grant privilege'?
a) throw an exception
b) silently ignore (delegate without grant privilege)
(I think the attempt should be logged at the very least)
12:21
You'd always log. What else you want to do is up to you. By exception do you mean alert?
Morning
with exception I meant: abort and report error
I'm mostly in favour of that, but we had a discussion (me and a non-sec college) where my college argued that it would be more user friendly if I just silently downgraded the attempt
12:57
@Jacco - silently downgrading could cause more problems than it would solve. I would suggest either dropping the request entirely or raising an error
thanks
I feel like somebody has beaten me in my sleep
oh wow I'm late for checkout
13:24
The actual family "tree" of the Julio-Claudian dynasty of Roman Emperors.
For weirdness, History always trumps sci-fi.
except for GoT.
actually GoT is pretty much based on real life history.
very loosely, anyway.
It does not exactly help that Tiberius, Claudius and Nero were all named "Tiberius Claudius Nero" initially.
the thing is, with such a family tree, the IQ of those on the bottom side of the inheritance graph, will likely make sure they won't notice any errors in their ancestry tree anyhow.
Tiberius Stormborn, Lord of the Andals
13:52
@Jacco It also didn't help that Rome found an ideal metal with which to create pipes to distribute water from the aqueducts to the neighborhoods and buildings of Rome. The ideal metal, (ideal because it was soft, and easy to work with) was lead. The palaces where particularly enthusiastic adopters.
"The fall of rome in a nutshell"
@StackExchange not that anyone cares but there's both on the drawing :P podium is stage, and lectern is what you anchor yourself onto so you don't take off for being so high
or to hide an erection :)
do you usually have an erection when doing public speaking?
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@ThomasPornin is this a family tree or a wiring schematic...
14:07
@kalina I don't know, but there's nothing usual about me speaking in public
14:36
@AviD Also, GoT is Fantasy - not Sci-Fi.
pfft
@TildalWave was this a police academy reference?
hey @RоryMcCune, you happen to be around?
@AviD you rang/
@RоryMcCune ooh I got lucky!
got me a ruby question...
indeed I'm just back from a 7 hour walk..
wow, not sure if fun or exhausting
14:40
@AviD bit of both
is there any particular reason to assume sensitive data in the session in ruby would be exposed?
like, is it automatically serialized into a cookie, or something like that?
@AviD yeah if they're using the cookie session store it can be exposed in there
@AviD can be depends how they've configured it
there's an HMAC to prevent tampering
@RоryMcCune oh! it stores the session in the cookie?
but it's vulnerable to disclosure if they don't encrypt
@RоryMcCune huh. interesting, thanks! Will look into that.
14:41
@AviD well it's one option for session management on rails, IIRC at one point it was the default
@RоryMcCune yeah I'd seen that at some point, I assumed it was just tying the session store to the cookie by id, not actually putting the session data itself in the cookie
looks like in later versions it encrypts by default..
@RоryMcCune yeah but still
thanks!
@AviD yeah it's obv. a lot easier to scale than a server-side store, which is why it was used
@AviD it's from there? I thought it's from the naked gun
14:43
but the potential security implications are nasty
@TildalWave probably both. there was definitely a scene with Mahoney...
@RоryMcCune yeah, shocking really
btw @RоryMcCune re your tower of distrust - I'm sure you've seen the mess with npm, eh?
@AviD TWSS?
and this little gem: medium.freecodecamp.com/…
@AviD yeah #npmgate
@TildalWave I thought erections had to be public in a democracy?
#PardonMyEngrish
14:45
@RоryMcCune heh I like that
reading some of the dev. responses to that just reminds me why we keep having problems
@Iszi dont give @Simon any ideas
@AviD Oh puh-leez. I probably got that one from him!
@AviD one of the amusing parts is that someone actually filed a cert. vuln report for the script execution stuff even though it's been the default behaviour since forever in npm and is the same in other repo's
@RоryMcCune not just that, its a ridiculous thought - YOU ARE DOWNLOADING CODE. WHICH WILL BE EXECUTED. ON YOUR SERVERS.
dont complain about code being run, when that is exactly what you wanted to do.
but yeah, the problem is devs dont really think about these misuse cases...
14:48
@AviD yah and someone thought this was worth a vuln. report... you have to think it was just a bit of attention seeking as they'd not event done decent research on prior art..
@AviD and actively don't want a more regulated system
one of the problems for npm is that if they add more security checks, people will leave for other repo's
@RоryMcCune but then they're surprised when bad stuff happens.
@AviD yeah!
like what did they think was going to happen....
because you arbitrarily executed unsigned code from unauthenticated sources
huh, that sessioncookiestore still IS the default, apparently.
heh, there you go then...
IDEAS GIVEN
14:56
@RоryMcCune did they say that? sounds terrible.
@MarkBuffalo well I read several comments on the HN thread which indicated that they didn't want more security checks (e.g. package signing or checks for libraries being added to the repo.)
@AviD Damnit. I was about to make an anology to unprotected intercourse but then remembered I'm supposed to be cleaning up my act 'round here. Professionalism takes out all the fun.
@Iszi depends what you're being a professional of.
I'm at the buffer overflow section of PWK, shit's gettin' real, sons.
@AviD Well, I've heard I'm an expert at putting fish food on hooks.
14:58
am liek JMP ESP wot
@Iszi on the other hand, @Simon's mom is a professional at analogies.
reported to da police
freudian
apologies
Because you're into analogies?
@Simon I have no idea what you said
14:59
Nice. Nearly missed that.
@Simon lol.
@Simon almost as good as metaphors.
@RоryMcCune nobody cares about security until there's breach
Never gonna look at the word "analogy" the same way again.
this is actually how it is in America
@MarkBuffalo correct...
15:00
@Iszi lol
new devs aren't required to learn security features, just "get it done"
@RоryMcCune and even after that, not so much .
didja see the final cost of Target's lawsuit?
@MarkBuffalo and most places
and industries
ok bye gotta go back to this PWK.
probably less than they would pay for firewalls.
not worth doing security at all.
15:01
@Simon hope you win
@AviD well there's usually the initial panic, committment to do more then that wears off after a while (generally when they find out how much it'll cost) then back to usual...
Oh, hey @MarkBuffalo. Saw a news article the other day, made me think of you. In the totally-our-token-Native-American kind of way.
@Iszi low life expectancy? :|
@Iszi lol
@MarkBuffalo Heard about this girl being taken from her foster family 'cause she's like 1/16th Native American?
15:02
I'm completely changing my diet... losing my uncle really hurt, and it also woke me up
@Iszi R.I.P. that little girl's life...
@MarkBuffalo and exercise!
@MarkBuffalo Indeed. As if the event itself isn't tragedy enough, now she's got the press all over her.
@Iszi I am completely against that law in some ways, but it's helped us keep 2 of my nieces, so... and they have better lives
@MarkBuffalo Interesting to hear, knowing your opinions on reservation life.
They might've had better lives off the rez, though
Yeah, I've taught the older one that her #1 goal is to get off the rez
15:04
@MarkBuffalo So, "on the rez" is better than what they had but that's just because what they had was so bad to start off with?
yup...
had an uncle die at 35 from poor nutrition
Wait a bloody second... WTF is "the United States and the former colonies" supposed to mean?
and another a couple days ago at 45
Blood quantum laws or Indian blood laws are those enacted in the United States and the former colonies to define qualification by ancestry as Native American, sometimes in relation to tribal membership. It ignored the Native American practices of absorbing other peoples by adoption, beginning with other Native Americans, and extending to children and young adults of European and African ancestry. It also ignored tribal cultural continuity after tribes had absorbed such adoptees and mixed-race children. A person's blood quantum (aka BQ) is defined as the percentage of their ancestors, out of their...
@MarkBuffalo Holy crap, that's harsh. Sorry bro.
@Iszi ah, racism incarnate
legalized, institutional racism
15:06
Still, what's with that "former colonies" bit?
One at like 18 from alcohol
No idea
@MarkBuffalo hey I found you a soulmate re input sanitization, prepared statements,... and on SO under a PHP tag no less stackoverflow.com/a/8255054/1953464 or stackoverflow.com/a/8265319/1953464 and this is also good stackoverflow.com/a/12118602/1953464
i.e.: What does "former colonies" add to a discussion already including "the United States"?
@MarkBuffalo If it makes you feel any better (probably won't) my wife just lost a cousin who was 36. They thought it was 'cause he'd gone back to drugs or something from that former lifestyle had caught up to him. Turned out he'd just choked on a veggie burger with nobody around to help.
@TildalWave nice, I code this way
@Iszi lost a cousin a couple months ago. heroin overdose
he was 31
15:09
and no, more death doesn't make me feel better
so yeah, when people go off drugs for a bit, they detox... so that means their body can't handle their normal dose. then, when they return to their disgusting vomit, they try their normal dose again, and it kills them.
heh. My family has a history of diabetes and high BP
the former, I try to watch what I eat. PROBABLY helps that I suddently lost my taste for soda.
@MarkBuffalo Never thought of things like that. Guess I'll have to keep it in mind if I ever decide to have an on-and-off relationship with drugs.
as for BP. I try to not stress too much, but somedays... its harder than others ;p
@Iszi it's a good thing to keep in mind in case you have an addict go clean... to remind them what could happen
in case you know one*
We were actually quite relieved to hear that the ME had said he'd just choked on his lunch. Still sucks to have someone die, especially at such an age, but it's comforting to know it wasn't for a "bad reason" so to speak.
@MarkBuffalo Fortunately, I don't. And hope that I won't. But definitely good to know. Heh. Just reminded me of a scene from a Limitless episode I saw the other night.
15:15
so there's a lot of suspicion around his death. people suspect his own kid killed him
I'm never going back there... ever.
not for any reason
@RоryMcCune And then we find that the super-secret-squirrel agencies are abusing the laws that got left behind in that mess, and...
@MarkBuffalo Wait, your uncle? I thought you just said it was nutrition issues?
yea, it could've been either
Like I said, there's a lot of suspicion
he had a fight with him, and died that night
but he was also very unhealthy, and like 450lbs
either one would've gotten him eventually
I'm not putting stock in that rumor until I see the autopsy results
@MarkBuffalo Eek. That's some serious weight. But at the same time it's surprisingly possible for someone to be that size and actually be fairly healthy. (Or, at least that's what the doctors tell them. Of course, they also still say the patient should lose weight. But meanwhile, there's supposedly nothing "wrong" with them.)
I don't believe it. Sleep apnea can get you
@MarkBuffalo Yeah, and I probably should have my wife checked for that too.
15:27
Usually, you can wake up during sleep apnea events because your body shakes you awake... but if you're drunk / high, good luck waking up
Hell, I should get checked for that matter. I'm nowhere near that size but I can snore pretty damn well sometimes.
my cousin's dad died that way when we were kids. he threw up in his sleep, and was too drunk to wake up
@Iszi a veggie burger? brutal
@MarkBuffalo Dude, you're a total ray of sunshine today. Sounds like you could use a brewski.
yeah... I'm kind of in a shitty mood. sorry
:/
15:30
for the past few days
@MarkBuffalo I can relate. Not so much death on my side. But there's other big family things going on right now, and I'm still looking for the end of the tunnel.
(Seriously, I'm just looking for the end. Don't care if there's a light there or not. Let's just find the end of it.)
@MarkBuffalo remember this, 7s are 10 times more likely to eat chedder than 8s because of donald trump
On a lighter subject, who's our German speakers in here?
@Iszi @SmokeDispenser
Started learning via Duolingo recently. Would be good to have some brains to pick.
15:37
i think he is german
hmm
Russian is up next, according to my original plan. But damn that alphabet is scary.
@silverpenguin what?
@SmokeDispenser are you german?
see i was right!
15:38
@silverpenguin German or not, the question is do they speak German?
sorry, was just finishing up an answer :)
@Iszi, I speak german from kindergarden age on.
ich muschta eine tee mit milche bitter
I'm sure it's rarer in other countries, but we've got plenty of native (as in, born in) American's who can't speak English for shite.
feel free to ask:)
@silverpenguin Ich möchte einen Tee mit Milch, bitte.
@silverpenguin ah, okay. good to hear. I'll add this to my list of things that don't make sense
15:40
@silverpenguin Okay, I'm not that far along. I didn't even understand half of that and I know anything I might guess at would probably be wildly wrong.
@silverpenguin also, no.
@Iszi There's always light at the end of the tunnel, even when it seems darkest...
never let pessimism take root in you
@silverpenguin And FFS how do you have a sentence without a noun?
always believe it'll get better, and keep a positive attitude. because a shitty attitude/pessimism ruins your outlook on life and causes you stress, which shortens your life.
@Iszi there are two nouns.
15:41
@MarkBuffalo that was the point! but for a few split moments you forgot about everything and lived with the current problem in mind. focusing on today will ease the pain of yesterday
@silverpenguin no I didn't
@MarkBuffalo well i tried
@SmokeDispenser Then frakkin' capitalize, will ye? It's like you kids these days don't know what a Shift key is for.
@MarkBuffalo :( <3
2 mins ago, by SmokeDispenser
@silverpenguin Ich möchte einen Tee mit Milch, bitte.
15:42
@Iszi I think @CodesInChaos also speaks German
@SmokeDispenser i cant spell in english let alone german e_e
@SmokeDispenser Sorry. I mis-targeted that. Was frustrated over @silverpenguin's post.
And I am still reasonably fluent - having learned it in school, and then lived and worked in Munich (Bayerischen Deutsch)
@RoryAlsop German is a pretty beautiful language
I speak a few words of it
@Iszi I frustrate alot of people with my posts
@MarkBuffalo its confusing you can say I love you in german but sound like you are angry
15:44
@MarkBuffalo it's definitely the easiest one I learned
Spanish was okay, Latin was a nightmare, but German is incredibly like Scottish
@RoryAlsop The easiest language I tried learning was Chinese
because it's the only language I really tried learning.
haha
@MarkBuffalo ahh - my kids are getting bits of Mandarin, and I can't make head nor tail of it
my guide to speaking german: press caplocks AND NOW YOU SPEAK THE PERFECT GERMAN
@RoryAlsop That's really good... China will have an important part to play in the future. Learning about their culture, mannerisms, and - of course - their language will really help them in the future.
@MarkBuffalo yup - schools here are pretty good like that
15:45
Chinese love it when a foreigner takes time to learn their language and culture
@RoryAlsop TIL we need better schools :o
finishing you meal is a compliment in chinese but an insult in japanese :/ i think
confusing things cultures
Our kids speak Mandarin/English at home, so that's great. I'm hoping they'll take a third language in school
@MarkBuffalo Yeah, that's about the only way one could claim that - particularly a native English speaker. Chinese is high on a lot of "top 10" lists of hardest languages to learn for English speakers.
@Iszi There's a steep learning curve. Once you get over the basics, it's smooth sailing.
free offer for anyone here to do my homework for me
15:48
@RoryAlsop My mom and wife are learning Spanish. Dunno why I particularly settled on German, aside from just wanting "anything other than Spanish". Oddly, being surrounded by so many Spanish speakers (yay, Florida!) seems to have actually demotivated me from learning it.
@Iszi Spanish is quite nice - but we learned Argentinian Spanish (obviously the most useful where I was) and it is a bit different
@Iszi Speaking of the wife, how's she doing, Iszi?
@RoryAlsop That's the way it is with most languages. At least, I'm familiar with the fact that there are several distinct dialects in Spanish and Portugese. One would think it's just the difference between American English and "The Queen's English". But sometimes it seems people make it out to be more than that.
@RoryAlsop you get around a bit eh?
@MarkBuffalo Hm. I'm trying to remember how much I've said in here. Usually I try to stay light on the details of personal subjects around here. But the latest crises kinda threw me off my OPSEC for awhile.
15:55
no worries, man
@silverpenguin yarr
@MarkBuffalo I will say she's getting better than she was. And we've got an appointment in a few weeks that will hopefully help to get her pointed more in the right direction.
@Iszi fingers crossed!
@Iszi heh. Or tamil
My parents speak different dialects of it to different people ._.
@JourneymanGeek My wife speaks a dialect too
English, Mandarin, her dialect, and a few others
15:57
@JourneymanGeek Wow. Interestingly, I've never heard of that language - or at least never knew its name - until now.
Chinese dialects are totally different/distict
tho my mom's accent and my dad's sri lankan tamil accents are quite different
@MarkBuffalo I'm guessing you mean she understands all of those. But between English and "her dialect" she only speaks one?
and my own accent is something like the queens english of tamil
@Iszi Yeah, understands all, speaks most (some dialects are funky)
In fact, some dialects are so odd, we can't understand our family members at reunions... those who live even 40 miles away speak a different language entirely...

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