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13:00
(*Microsoft will transmit your PSK which it will hold in reversibly encrypted format on their servers under your account and then send it to you (and potentially your "friends" depending on configuration))
yeah that's not the kind of magic I subscribe to :P
@Matthew dammit, cant find that paul rudd magic meme
13:34
@lighty - lovely
@TildalWave I don't change my SSID that regularly!
Also, I would like to mention that a carvery is a very nice lunch to have. I am full and sleepy now though
It's morning you crazy Europeans.
Dad's Warwick, and his (1st pic) FEnder Jazz Bass
@Simon It's 1337!
@Matthew @@@
13:38
lovely about the fender is you can switch it from Passive to Active
@M'vy: "cypher" is the name of a Matrix character.
@Matthew Disagree, that was over an hour ago.
greetings
@ThomasPornin oops
Speller did not complained though :)
@RоryMcCune Yeah, but my issue with -vv (or even -v sometimes) is it's a "global" setting, so to speak. I don't want to increase the verbosity of the whole damn thing - just the OS fingerprinting bits.
13:47
@Arperum Just use UTC, damnit!
@Iszi don't think nmap would do that, best bet is likely to wrap nmap in a script, verbose it up in nmap and extract what you want from the OS fingerprint using the script :)
@Lighty I need one of these someday :)
Best way to find out what OS someone is using is just hack them and look for yourself
@RоryMcCune Yuck.
Why do I get the feeling that's the way it is with a lot of Nmap problems, though? "Crank up the verbosity and wrap a script/shell around it."
@Iszi You're a cranked up verbosity wrapped in a script/shell
13:51
@M'vy "Cypher" was used in older times, in the pre-computer era. It was the normal spelling in the 18th century. However, as a search term for cryptography that involves computers at some point, "cipher" is much better.
@Iszi well it is an unusual requirement for a command-line tool...
be very verbose, but only in this one specific way
@MarkBuffalo better way: say something nasty about Linux. Watch their reaction.
Its a 2 bit clone of unix
;p
"Linux doesnt even let you do <X>!"
@AviD Lol
13:56
@JourneymanGeek -> BSD loving neckbeard
@AviD It doesn't even have Cortana integration!
That's a feature not a bug
@Matthew -> Windows Phone
@JourneymanGeek -> Red Hat
@BarryCarlyon OI
see, its easy!
13:56
@AviD decent guess
tho I tend to use ubuntu as well
@Ohnana you are not enjoying my hard up your arse? :-(
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@BarryCarlyon umm
did you mean "hand"?
@AviD "It's too hard" -> Markus using Windows.
@AviD apparently @Ohnana is my sock puppet…
13:57
@AviD Eww, no way! Even MS doesn't use those!
@BarryCarlyon so that would be "hand"
read it again
OH!
facepaws
i didn't even see that
pls.
13:58
@Matthew pls, windows phone best phone.
OHIO
s/hard/hand
HEY!
shrug
My hand is hard… So it's valid…
@AviD Go stick your head in the sand you ostrich.
13:59
@BarryCarlyon funnier that way
course if you meant it, I woulda modedited you ;-)
OH MY. MODEDIT AWAY DADDY…
Wow, @BarryCarlyon said like 4 things today
I'm on a roll bby @MarkBuffalo
More than 4 things...
I hope this doesn't mean we don't see him for like 2 extra months
@AviD did you see the shiney new HP one?
14:03
@RоryMcCune nah, hp sucketh
First waterproof windows phone
does continuum
@RоryMcCune so.. you can talk underwater?
@AviD no, but I talk in the rain... a ... lot
of course you can
the problem is, will anyone be able to hear you
that's a different problem
@MarkBuffalo Why don't you add the OWASP PHP sec cheat sheet in reference in your answer instead of assuming that people only use CMS?
14:05
@RоryMcCune Scotland!
@RоryMcCune or in the shower
@AviD Yes he lives in Scotland.
Scotland is underwater.
@Matthew precisely, although today is actually sunny!
@diagprov No, Netherlands is underwater. Scotland is just where we let the rain fall, along with Manchester...
@RоryMcCune Sunny here too. It's nice!
@Matthew That's true, I used to live in Manchester. It's another place where "sea level" is a bit meaningless because the sea has mostly evaporated and ended up directly above us.
@Simon 99% of hacks are "oh hoes, my wordpress has been hacked". I'll add it, though
good idea
^^^ see actual sun and not that many clouds!
@MarkBuffalo What percentage of this 99% what made on the top of your head?
@MarkBuffalo Or "my phone has been hacked and I think the police are following me". Lots of those recently
@RоryMcCune Need proof this is actually Scotland though ;)
14:09
@diagprov no wonder it's fluffing cloudy all the time here…
@diagprov phhbt you don't get hills like that down south :op
@RоryMcCune This looks lovely
@AviD Using a phone to talk is completely has-been.
@RоryMcCune There are a few bits of Wales that look pretty similar...
@RоryMcCune Peak district, lake district, brecon beacons, c'mon! Plenty of hills down sarrrff!
14:11
@Matthew fair point, I could indeed be in wales
@diagprov yeah but those english ones are just little hills really
It rains all the time in Wales too, this is true.
@diagprov Lake DIstrict and Peak District tend to be less lumpy. More smooth hillocks...
@RоryMcCune Still hills! It's not the size... :)
@Simon You're the 99%
@Matthew Outrageous! ;) Have you ever been over Hardknott pass? Imma say that's not really a smooth hill.
14:16
we had the greatest discussion at work today ever
@Lighty share
That being said, I see your hills and I raise you the Jungfrau!
are innuendo's (simple JOKES, not scoped comments) "sexual harrasement", as in, the ones you report to HR, like, when someone overly-flirts with you despite sending a no signal
not the kind of, gropey gropey xD
I wouldn't make innuendos at work, ever. Someone might take it the wrong way :o
^
but when youre with like, 6 people, drinking coffee, laughing, and then make one
thats what it was about
14:19
apologize and own it up?
because some old bag from next door was complaining about it in front of, 5 IT-people
@MarkBuffalo shrugs
snickers at Mark's comment about things going the wrong way
@BarryCarlyon ........dammit. this is the DMZ
yes
everything is a euphemism in here
14:20
something like that
xD
stalks @BarryCarlyon
shrug
GUIZ! I GOT ME A STALKER! Am I famous now?
I just hope you don't disappear again for 2 years... this is the most you've ever talked here
and now I must return to my task
@BarryCarlyon No, just attractive to obsessives
I pro lurk :-P
Dammit @Matthew
14:23
You're only famous if he tweets about it
Otherwise you're just another stalkee
@Lighty if it's focused on a particular person, that's really out of line. general jokes in front of people you aren't comfortable with is out of line IMHO.
@Lighty Generally speaking I shy away from jokes at work functions because technically even if it's not directed at a particular person they can claim harassment or hostile work environment.
Even at happy hours you need to be careful. You also need to make sure that everyone is invited to said happy hour or it's discrimination.
I tend to discriminate against incredibly annoying people, but I can't exclude them from a company happy hour.
@RoraΖ true, but picture that there are 9 IT people, and a new, 10th person joins, and goes to claim such things in her first few months
That's perfectly within her right
and my situation we talked about was a bit weird, since we have an office building, and were sitting there with 3 different companies having a drink
14:33
Was it a work related outing?
not really, it was more on a level of a "thats what she said" than really our of line
just, childish humour
but people where passed the message to be "carefull with others"
which sparked questions, and rightfully so ofcourse, better to talk it out than to let it hang
True
I bounced
Just have to be careful, especially with a new person. Tread a little more careful until the new person is comfortable.
It's funny how much Markus can imagine things and tell us about it.
And then he bails.
14:36
@Simon was the CEO wasn't he
Probably
my oh my
@MarkBuffalo That's the route I would take.
I'm good at my job. Someone will pay me and not harrass me.
Also, why do you keep removing your messages?
14:37
com'on stop deleting all the comments dude
Or is someone doing that for you.
@RoraΖ Don't want it indexed.
then don't tell about it man
You think deleting will stop it? It's already in the system man
You're screwed
it's internet. Everything leaves a trace
14:38
Oh, I don't mind that. I just mean general stuff.
@RoraΖ Thats the "warning" that got told a few people, I didn't make the comment (suprise?), but I was at the table it happened
anti-social IT people being social aren't good with limits it seems :P
@Lighty Yeah, I got called into my supervisor's office because I made fun of Jesus in a public chat at work.
@RoraΖ depends
@RoraΖ oh wow.
if it was a "nailgun" joke, +1
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14:39
Markus, if you don't want shit to be indexed, either don't talk about it or OpSec.jpg.
@RoraΖ but do share the joke with us :P
@Ohnana I only implied that I liked it when one guy's sister read the Bible all nice and slow like.
Mod indexing is fine... being there for mods to see is fine. Just generally.
@RoraΖ haha wtf man
Had to be there.
It was hilarious.
14:40
Yeah, I'm not discussing religion at work at all
Yeah don't touch that with a 20ft network cable
@RoraΖ he saw the chance, and took it :')
Religion, politics, sex... kinda don't belong in the workplace
WHOA THERE MATTHEW
but yeah, you were asking for it xd
14:40
I SAW THAT
@Lighty Actually I'm good friends with the dude, it was someone else who took offense lol
@Simon Yeah - I'm messing with the mods heads! :-)
@RoraΖ then WTF is their problem?
[redacted] :)
@Lighty No idea, they did it anonymously. Never found out who actually turned us in.
Oh come on guys, Jesus wouldn't want this.
14:41
@RoraΖ thats even weaker
So you can't talk about Jesus being a Communist and sleeping with everyone? Aww
Jesus did it for the chicks
someone once turned in a complaint because an ATHEIST made a joke about A JEW, fun think, the one turning in the complaint anonymously mailed with "[email protected]" (.....), to an other company about the complaint
sigh
next day, the mail was printed out 20 times and scattered over the office building as protest
14:43
0
Q: Why are C and C++ so vulnerable to overflow attacks?

Nate KerkhofsWhen I look at the exploits from the past few years related to implementations, I see that quite a lot of them are from C or C++, and a lot of them are overflow attacks. Heartbleed was a buffer overflow in OpenSSL; Recently, a bug in glibc was found that allowed buffer overflows during DNS reso...

that was, mean
:27775123 rghwoeilkfjoqmxhrgwhef nwehfweufhwoe fwhefolhiwef jef wp;
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nephew what?
@RoraΖ But why are they?
"Even if the code was just compiled to Javascript, it wouldn't have been an issue."
fkin lol
Compiled to Javascript....
There is SO much wrong with that phrase.
compiled to what?
14:46
I like the question
With great power comes great responsibility — Dog eat cat world 1 min ago
ahaha
@MarkBuffalo I think it's a hard question to answer. It's like asking "What's the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?"
@RoraΖ 42
It's not hard to answer
@MarkBuffalo I expect to see an answer from you then :)
14:49
@RoraΖ well you can Transpile to JavaScript
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A: Security Implications of Neglecting the Extra Byte for NULL Termination in C/C++ Arrays

RoraΖString Termination Vulnerability Upon thinking about this more, using strncpy() is probably the most common way (that I can think of) that could create null termination errors. Since generally people think of the length of the buffer as not including \0. So you'll see something like the foll...

I love this answer
for things like ES6 support
@RоryMcCune Transpile?
move the pile ?
@RoraΖ I purposely avoid all buffer overflow threads
14:50
@MarkBuffalo Thank you :)
@RoraΖ yeah JavaScript people will write in one JavaScript dialect then "transpile" to another dialect
@RoraΖ ... your rep ... it's OVER 9000!
@RoraΖ No, it is easy to answer. C is vulnerable to overflows because it does not (and really cannot) check for them at runtime. It is the follow-up questions which are hard.
@RoraΖ babeljs.io is an example
@RоryMcCune What does that mean?
@ThomasPornin That's what I was trying to say. You might get the answer of 42, but now you have have lots of OTHER issues to figure out.
14:51
@RoryAlsop where?
@RoryAlsop Really?
@RoraΖ so say for example I write in ES6 and I want my JavaScript to run in a browser that doesn't support that, I can use a Transpiler to turn it into something which is supported by the browser it's running in
Looks like 8100 to me
@RoraΖ or maybe I write in TypeScript and want to TransPile to JavaScript... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-to-source_compiler
@RoraΖ Network-wide.
14:52
@RoraΖ The follow-up questions are: 1. why is C or C++ designed that way ? And 2. how comes source code asks for nonsensical things such as overflows ?
@RоryMcCune oh... that's still not actually compiling though right?
@ThomasPornin 3. Should I use JS instead of C/C++?
@RoraΖ network wide - it shows it when you post a few things consecutively in chat
@RoraΖ well it's kind of close but not what I'd call compiling.
> I have read that France, in particular, has been known to confiscate laptops with modern OSes that support strong encryption. Especially if that modern OS happens to be on a modern, expensive, sexy laptop. The kind that the customs agent wants for Christmas.
huehuehue
2
Q: Is apple's latest encryption consider munitions grade?

Steve ShepardAccording to the Export Import laws, any device that has a minimum level of encryption is considered as falling under munitions type laws. Does apple's latest oss contain that level, and if they do, has anyone been questioned or convicted of reentering the us with the same device? I ask because a...

@RoryAlsop Oh gotcha :D
@Ohnana wt?
@roraz that talk talks about "compiling" JavaScript
@M'vy yeah it's from one of the answers
@RоryMcCune throwing up
@ThomasPornin "And who is this Dennis Ritchie guy anyway"
^JavaScript compiling \o/
wat
@RоryMcCune Shiggidy shiggidy shwhat!?
14:56
@ThomasPornin C++ can enforce checks, at least for some cases (copy into static buffer) at compile time. This is how the _s functions are implemented by MS (cc @AviD).
Instructions unclear, started with C/C++ and the ouput is JS.
@RоryMcCune what the fresh hell
@RoraΖ it's from that preso I linked, sounds like some whacky stuff
@diagprov Yeah, but if you use the _s functions then you are already doing what it takes not to suffer (too much) from overflows on these buffers.
This is a rather generic comments: most partial systems to detect/prevent overflows in C or C++ handle only the simple cases which were not really in problem.
@RоryMcCune Does this cause cancer?
14:59
Means you can run things like Doom in your browser: kripken.github.io/boon/boon.html
@RоryMcCune oh good gods, nooooooooo!
@ThomasPornin True you can overflow other buffers, but these functions make it impossible to do something like char buffer[257] = {0}; and then overflow that.

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