The DMZ

David Freitag

10:00

@Arperum There's literally nothing I want to do

kalina

that's because you don't know you can do it

Arperum

@DavidFreitag So you've done everything possible already?

David Freitag

@kalina @Arperum No I just couldn't be bothered

kalina

lack of motivation?

David Freitag

Pretty much

Arperum

10:02

@DavidFreitag Then do bother. Fuck. You don't know how amazing/terrible it is unless you've actually tried it.

David Freitag

@Arperum Like what? Go bowling? That's about all you can do near me

kalina

@Arperum this will help with his lack of motivation

AviD

cmon, kids, let dovid be.

He's not ready to take that step, or hear those words, just yet.

First, @David needs to build his own flame. Which he won't do until he feels he needs it.

David Freitag

Seriously though, what do you propose I do? I'm like the single dullest person in the world

AviD

@DavidFreitag bullcrap.

Arperum

10:04

@DavidFreitag Go singing wildly in the streets for all I care.

AviD

also, so the hell what if you are?

invent ice cream pizza.

or pizza ice cream.

David Freitag

@AviD I can invent from my living room.

AviD

I dont care - just do something.

Arperum

@DavidFreitag No. Your house is very extremely off limits for activities.

AviD

you might be dull, but you are smart and talented - and thats a shame to waste it just because you dont want to leave a comfortable place of ~~abuse~~ employment.

@DavidFreitag actually no, dont invent those, on second thought I want to keep those.

David Freitag

10:06

@AviD Me doing something other than work/sleep has nothing to do with my job

kalina

Life starts at the edge of your comfort zone

AviD

cant make up my mind which first though.

@DavidFreitag of course it does.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag pls one thing I've found out over the years is, no such thing, whatever you're interested in, there are other people interested in it too

seek them out

kalina

If you never leave your comfort zone you become complacent and never really achieve anything

David Freitag

@AviD Oh, sure, if I made six figures I could leisure on a yacht instead of my living room

AviD

10:07

@DavidFreitag pls, most low 6 figures cant afford to leisure around, let alone a yacht.

David Freitag

@kalina Seriously it's not even about comfort zones. What am I going to do? Go to a bar? And then what? Get drunk?

Arperum

I've done some pretty damn awkward chats to get to know new people. It pays out. Loads of fun are gained.

AviD

no no, dont listen to them. it is perfectly fine to not be outgoing.

kalina

@DavidFreitag going out to a bar is not my idea of fun either

I'm not telling you to go outside if you don't want to

David Freitag

@AviD There's a difference between being introverted and having no life whatsoever

kalina

10:08

but... instead of sitting around doing nothing, blow something up

David Freitag

@kalina It's not that I don't want to it's that I just don't see a point

Arperum

@DavidFreitag The first one is part of who you are, the second one you can do something about.

kalina

@DavidFreitag there is no point in going out and getting wasted

but that doesn't mean that it's hopeless

why don't you build something

David Freitag

@kalina Even if it's not going to a bar, what am I to do? Seriously

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag so you're employable, this we know, but there are few things that interest you locally. A logical course of action would be to try and get a job where there are more things that interest you

then you could do those things when not working :)

Arperum

10:11

@RоryMcCune Or he doesn't know about the things that exist locally :)

David Freitag

This ^

Rоry McCune

@Arperum well that's easier to fix than my idea. Scour local papers websites etc for things that are interesting

AviD

or not interested in things that can be contained in a specfic locale.

Arperum

@RоryMcCune Yup.

Rоry McCune

@AviD virtual stuff (and this is me talking now) ain't everything

ya need to do something in meatspace from time to time

David Freitag

10:13

My interests include computers and engineering. Not really a "go find friends and do it" sort of subject.

Matthew

@RоryMcCune Learn butchery!

David Freitag

Closest thing are hackerspaces

And the closest one to me is an hour drive away

kalina

@DavidFreitag there is an entire list of things that you can do that I can't

why not do one of those

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag so if that's too far, perhaps you need to think about moving to somewhere with that kind of thing on hand...

kalina

@DavidFreitag boohoo an hour drive

David Freitag

10:14

@kalina Such as? Peeing standing up?

@RоryMcCune It's not that easy and you know it

AviD

@DavidFreitag heh was aboiut to say that

write in the snow

Arperum

@DavidFreitag AN hour drive is no problem, even for European standards...

Journeyman Geek

Actually there's supposed to be a device that lets ladies pee standing up

kalina

@DavidFreitag there is no need to be obnoxious

@JourneymanGeek pls we can pee standing it's just messy if you don't get it right

David Freitag

@kalina I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I'm seriously asking

kalina

10:16

@JourneymanGeek any funnel would do

@DavidFreitag if you have to "seriously" ask me what you can do that I can't, then... you must have a terrible opinion of yourself

maybe that is the problem

David Freitag

@kalina Either that or I'm completely clueless. Maybe a mixture of both.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag sure but if you literally have nothing to do but work/sleep and you don't like that, any effort to change it is justified

@DavidFreitag I mean what do you have to lose :)

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune It's not so much that I don't like nothing but work/sleep, I just feel like there might be more to life. Honestly I don't mind it.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag there is more to life :)

kalina

@DavidFreitag the stuff you can do is so outside of my scope of care that I don't even know the words to use to describe it... I'm just going to go with electrical engineering

Arperum

10:18

@DavidFreitag There is more to life. You just have to find it.

David Freitag

@kalina Yes I'm going to... go out to a park and design a new computer!

Arperum

@DavidFreitag If it wasn't for that rather oversized bit of water in between us, I would come over and drag you to one of these hacker group things.

David Freitag

@Arperum It's much easier for me to take leave of my comfort zones when I have a friend present

kalina

@DavidFreitag maybe you need to find a friend who is as geeky or capable of tolerating your geeky

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Do the hard thing, and go out on your own. You'll meet new friends. Maybe not the first time, but at some point, you'll find some people to talk to.

Matthew

10:25

@Lighty Damnit!!!

David Freitag

@kalina The last time I made a friend was in high school

Lighty

@Matthew ? :P

Matthew

@Lighty You changed question from "difference between SSH and SFTP" to "difference between SFTP and FTPS"! After I'd written most of an answer!

AviD

@DavidFreitag :-(

Arperum

I found my girlfriend at a concert. It was probably not the least awkward chat ever back then.

AviD

10:26

you dont count me...??

Lighty

@Matthew I fucked up :x

David Freitag

@AviD Internet friends who live on the opposite side of the planet don't really count

AviD

@Matthew you mean this one?

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Q: SFTP, FTPS and SecureFTP differences and security implications

What are the basic differences and security implications of using SFTP, FTPS and SecureFTP.

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag we must count for something

AviD

and if not, then why the hell asking it again?

David Freitag

10:28

@Arperum Only concerts in a reasonable distance are rap/pop/country, and personally I'd rather give myself a lobotomy than go to one.

AviD

@DavidFreitag pfft. You're just prejudiced against my pyramid.

Matthew

@AviD No this one

security.stackexchange.com/questions/115374/…

AviD

@Matthew HAMMERED!!

putz.

Matthew

@AviD Ta!

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Europe is good for that. We have metalshows all over the place. Even though most of them are at least an hour drive. And I didn't even know about most of them until I found some obscure facebook group that lists a ton of them.

AviD

10:29

I am offended that I am forced to waste those 20 seconds of my time instead of him simply LOOKING AT THE RELATED QUESTIONS

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah, I prefer dodecahedrons.

AviD

20 seconds of my time is worth about 8 of his hours

Lighty

@AviD I swear on me mum, everytime I scan for questions like that, I cant find em

then a hammer comes around

then the pony pops up

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag Isn't one of your dreams to live in Europe one day? When you're gonna realize your dream, we'll be your neighbors...

David Freitag

@Arperum Closest thing for me would be EDM shows in Canadihuea with @Simon. And for that it would be a passport and an 8 hour car drive both ways.

Matthew

10:31

I even had a reasonable answer for SSH vs SFTP...

AviD

@Lighty then you are blind.

or cant read.

David Freitag

@TildalWave Yeah, at some point in the next five years or so

Rory Alsop

Hello everyone

TildalWave

roro!

Rory Alsop

Think I annoyed someone:

David Freitag

10:31

@Lighty So delete the question you made?

Lighty

@DavidFreitag already done

AviD

Lighty

@AviD I'm deaf, not blind

AviD

@Lighty IT IS RIGHT THERE

Rory Alsop

@RoryAlsop I did not approve of you moving my fair rebuttal arguments to this atrocious answer to a temporary chat where they will not be seen, not be archived and will be automatically erased after a few weeks. Put them back as they were or I will be writing a formal complaint to the StackExchange operators about this abuse of moderator authority. It is none of your business to appear out of nowhere and remove the valid counter-arguments to another part of the site where they will never be seen. I have to ask myself if you are working for the same government agency that Richie is a part of. — NDF1 1 hour ago

AviD

10:32

YOUR TITLE -> QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE YOUR ANSWER -> FIRST IN THE LIST

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag so what you're saying is that you need @kalina to come play a gig in your town

AviD

@Lighty also, watch that line here.

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Or the US has a shitton less events than I thought possible. Or you just don't know about underground shows.

Lighty

@AviD Sorry dad :(

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop hahaha omg I'm so glad I don't have to deal with such folks any more :)

Lighty

10:33

@AviD I'll try that next time I ask a question

AviD

@RoryAlsop WOW.

Rory Alsop

I wanted to just write "No."

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune That would be pretty awesome. Although I would probably be stuck going alone which isn't a very good prospect.

AviD

want me to step in and slap him? though that would probably require some reading...

Rory Alsop

But thought I should be polite:-)

Rоry McCune

10:34

@RoryAlsop good grief, I think that man should ask for a full refund of his StackExchange subscription!

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Rory Alsop

@TildalWave you escaped :-)

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag yeah but then you'd know the performer, so you'd get back-stage

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Even then, if I go places alone I tend to melt into a puddle of human in the corner of the room

Lighty

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop with an update to his question should be answer

Rory Alsop

10:35

@RоryMcCune I did go back and re-read, but the guy did take all the comments on board and responded to them. His answer may still need work, but the comments are all covered

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop and if you're not more careful you may find your moderator wages docked!

Rory Alsop

Oh, yeah

diagprov

@RоryMcCune That guy wrote a small essay in comments

Matthew

@RоryMcCune It's an impressive set of comments...

AviD

@RоryMcCune borrowed ;)

@RоryMcCune lol

Rory Alsop

10:36

@RоryMcCune noooooo

Rоry McCune

@Matthew yeah it's a TLDR moment for sure :)

AviD

okay @RoryAlsop everything on that post is ridiculously too long. I aint gonna read it all for context - but I slapped him for tones.

Rory Alsop

I'm amused that anyone may think I would be a federal agent

I mean, really?

Their pay is terrible

Matthew

@RoryAlsop It's the avatar. Clearly, you're a bounty hunter working for the government

M'vy

Holy ! that chat

AviD

10:38

@Matthew yeah @RoryAlsop completely looks like a suit.

M'vy

Discussion on answer by Richie Frame:…

Imported from a comment discussion on security.stackexchange.c...

Rory Alsop

@AviD most of the length is now responses to the grumpy one's comments.

2

AviD

@RoryAlsop I think we should move that comment to chat. WDYT?

Rory Alsop

@AviD why did I read that as slut?

AviD

lol

Matthew

10:38

@RoryAlsop Wishful thinking

Rory Alsop

@Matthew lol

M'vy

he guy shuold publish an article instead of commenting ... maybe

Lighty

@AviD a question about your answer on security.stackexchange.com/questions/858/… and such.... Are you saying you don't recommend the third option? or are you saying you haven't seen it? also, what option of those three would you recommend in sense of security?

I've read the answer 3 times now, but my young, inexperienced, 404'd brain can't fully process it

AviD

@Lighty no, the 3rd is the most common.

M'vy

geez that proxy :S

AviD

10:41

its the 2nd that is less common, and in fact doesnt really make much sense.

Lighty

so the "SSH SubProtocol" is more logical than the "FTP over SSH"?

AviD

yeah

its called SFTP

Lighty

makes notes of this interesting class

AviD

tunneling FTP over SSH is not trivial - e.g. do you know what port FTP typically uses?

Lighty

20 and 21?

AviD

10:43

to start with.

so how can you tunnel TWO DIFFERENT SOCKETS over a single SSH connection?

kalina

it's sad that we're living in a world where Apple turns out to be one of our last stands against government surveillance.

Lighty

hmm

not?

kalina

how can I continue my dislike of Apple under such circumstances

Lighty

xD

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop no, you're our feral agent :)

AviD

10:44

@Lighty well, you can but its not logically trivial.

TildalWave

our Judge, Judy and Executioner

diagprov

@AviD That's a subtle bit of trolling. "Don't move my comments to chat!" "Comment moved to chat".

M'vy

SOCKS?

AviD

@diagprov too subtle you think?

Lighty

@AviD And that would be solved with using a second, separate connection, right? (the SFTP one)

diagprov

10:45

@AviD Oh no it's a thing of beauty.

AviD

@TildalWave lol was that on purpose?

Journeyman Geek

@diagprov do not meddle in the affairs of mods, for they are subtle and can ninja-edit your pony.

kalina

@diagprov linq?

AviD

@Lighty well SFTP is a compltely different protocol, that handles all that stuff internally.

kalina

if you see a moderator abusing their privileges stand up and shout about it

AviD

10:46

@JourneymanGeek BUWAHAHAHA

diagprov

@kalina Ah no he didn't actually do it, because he's a sensible modrator really.

kalina

@diagprov hahahaha

sensible... moderator

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hahahahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AviD

@diagprov hehehe. @kalina doesnt believe you.

kalina

oh gosh my sides

Journeyman Geek

Do I want to get into a pony edit war?

kalina

10:47

do you value the rest of your day being easy

Rory Alsop

@JourneymanGeek you can't edit ponies

AviD

@JourneymanGeek hehe

kalina

seriously though, there are very few real LOLs

Lighty

@AviD Alright, so one last question, would you personally either use SFTP, or FTPS for file transfer?

AviD

@Lighty oh look, the wikipedia page says almost the same thing as I did

> FTP over SSH is the practice of tunneling a normal FTP session over a Secure Shell connection.[15] Because FTP uses multiple TCP connections (unusual for a TCP/IP protocol that is still in use), it is particularly difficult to tunnel over SSH. With many SSH clients, attempting to set up a tunnel for the control channel (the initial client-to-server connection on port 21) will protect only that channel; when data is transferred, the FTP software at either end sets up new TCP connections (data channels) and thus have no confidentiality or integrity protection.

@Lighty I would not.

kalina

10:49

@Lighty everybody knows the correct way to do it is to vpn and use smb

David Freitag

@Lighty One word: Sneakernet.

AviD

SFTP would typically be a better choice though, I would recommend FTPS only in the situation where the org is *nix-averse, and already has a full IIS 7 set up with TLS certs.

Lighty

@DavidFreitag Nice, but the limitation is we can't drive 2 hours to the datacenter to deliver a client's website

AviD

@DavidFreitag Gdrive / OneDrive / DropBox / Box / etc

diagprov

@RoryAlsop They have an interesting pay model. As a new graduate, pay is pretty good. However, it's almost impossible to actually move up and get increased pay.

TildalWave

10:50

@AviD imdb.com/title/tt0425112/quotes?item=qt0382400

David Freitag

@Lighty How is that a limitation?

Lighty

@kalina VPN, ok, and what do you mean with SMB?

kalina

@Lighty not sure if this is a serious question

but you're making the mistake of listening to me regarding security advice

David Freitag

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Q: Why is it called "Dry Thrust"?

When reading the specifications of a jet aircraft anywhere on the Internet, it usually states that its engine produces X pounds of "dry thrust". Why is it called "Dry" Thrust? As opposed to what?

jet-engine terminology jet

Lighty

@kalina if you answer "BS", someone here would stand up xd

@DavidFreitag Intern has no driver license

AviD

10:51

@DavidFreitag oh stop it, you

David Freitag

@AviD Sorry, things were getting a little too on-topic

AviD

pfft

good point, I should leave.

Mexico awaits.

Lighty

@kalina but yes, 'twas a serious question xd

David Freitag

@AviD Ooh you should pick me up some tequila

Lighty

@AviD Noted, thanks :3

AviD

10:53

@DavidFreitag ooh I was very excited to discover that my father has, in the back of his bar, a bottle of kosher tequila.

while I am sure it is not quite the highest quality, it IS kosher, and I didnt know that was possible. (cuz of the worm)

David Freitag

@Lighty So... have someone else drive it?

@AviD Uhhh... not all tequila has a worm?

AviD

@DavidFreitag apparently.

but not just cuz of that.

David Freitag

In fact pretty sure it's only a few varieties of tequila that has the worm.

AviD

so here's a q, for all you drinkers out there - besides whisky (and wine, and beer), what types of alcohol are useful to have around?

Lighty

@AviD Bleach

David Freitag

10:55

@AviD Useful? Define useful...

AviD

my dad is emptying his bar, and I put my eye on his numerous bottles of rum and vodka.

maybe a bottle of gin - ever since mr.packy has been going on about G&T, I need to have one.

David Freitag

@AviD Vodka is a good mixer. If it's high enough quality you can also disinfect wounds with it.

AviD

@DavidFreitag tasty, good to drink, useful to mix, etc

anything a well-stocked home should have

@DavidFreitag pfft

I have a lot of russians here, they drink the vodka straight.

Rory Alsop

@diagprov yeah - in the past the pension model was OK, but that doesn't hold true any more. Last chat I had with them on possible roles made it very obvious just how low their mid- and senior pay scales are

AviD

oh yeah, he wants to give me a bottle of vermouth.

Lighty

10:56

How bout Raki?

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah they drink a lot of water

AviD

I didnt even know what vermouth is!

@RoryAlsop what else should I stock up on?

I usually just go for straight single malt.

looking to branch out, get some variety.

David Freitag

I've always wanted to try Absinthe

AviD

and I dont just mean the cinammon whisky.

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag it's everything that the name suggests

tastes like mint

David Freitag

10:58

@AviD Maple whiskey

AviD

@DavidFreitag is that a thing?

David Freitag

@TildalWave The name doesn't suggest anything to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@AviD Canada exists, so it must

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag "absent"

AviD

@DavidFreitag fireballwhisky.com

diagprov

@RoryAlsop Low, basically. Combined with the fact you end up waiting a year to get in for clearance I have no idea how they actually hire anyone.

David Freitag

10:59

@AviD Got a bottle of that in my fridge

Rory Alsop

@AviD gin, vodka, curacao, cachaça, galliano, absinthe, all the rums, Angostura bitters, midori

kalina

@Lighty google SMB, it will reveal all the things

AviD

@RoryAlsop "all" the rums?

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