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Q: Differences between Burp request and Browser - Has different responses

DarkMantisSo I was put on an engagement over the last week and I found a potential XSS when using Burp's intruder/repeater. However, the strange thing that I noticed was that the response in Burp is different to when I request it in the browser (Firefox & Chrome). At first I assumed it was a different UA...

morning
@MarkBuffalo in what kind of country do you live man
I'm in murica
He really should be Mark Bison, but Americans are weird about their bison...
I'm Native, brah
15:21
@MarkBuffalo Hi Native. I'm Matthew
@Matthew Hi Matthew, you're dad.
Someone thought it would be cool to let the air out of my tires
And put stickers on my car
@MarkBuffalo Gits...
Someone put stickers on the windshield that I cannot remove... even with a scraper. Even with water
@MarkBuffalo Impressive stickers, but extra annoying. We have some car parks that do that to cars parked dangerously to make a point
I don't park like a douche... these kids at this complex have no respect for anyone else, really
15:27
@MarkBuffalo razor blade
or get a bottle of goo-gone
@Ohnana Yeah, I'm gonna try that
i'd try the goo gone first since there's less of a chance you'll jack up your windshield
get them to refund your windshield :)
@Ohnana Careful on windscreens though - they sometimes have a top layer of laminate
i think the US ones are the inside-laminated kind
i have no idea
15:29
me neither
burn it :)
@MarkBuffalo Sounds it. One place we used to live kids let out the air, and took out the valves...
Apparently this is a section 8-accepted apartment
I chose this place because they had the nicest apartments
What is that? Something like District 9?
and the friendliest staff
15:31
well, now you have the friendly stickers :)
Section 8 basically means rent only costs 30% of your income... whatever that may be. If your income is $1, you pay 30 cents
@MarkBuffalo That sounds insane...
So it attracts irresponsible people who take advantage of that... problem is, irresponsible people breed irresponsible kids
Yeah, we pay the full price :/
I've got nothing against poor folks... just irresponsible folks
I mostly object to irresponsible, inefficient, and intheway
inefficient people are irresponsible
Looks like we are going to try and buy a house next month, though!
:]
15:35
Awesome - although also scary
not scary. going for something super affordable... 70k or less
That way we can pay it off in a few years and live rent-free, other than taxes
That is quite cheap
Then we can safely save for a really big one
without being house poor
We bought a relatively big place which had been rented out previously - the tenants had left it a bit of a mess cosmetically, but it was structurally sound
Nice, sqft?
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A: Why is the password field blanked in the registration form if the validation fail?

IsziIf you're ever able to "send back" the password, through any channel, then you're not handling passwords correctly. Period. If the password can be retained in the form via client-side caching, that's perfectly fine. Arguably still riskier than not, but certainly much safer than: (a.) sending the...

@Iszi +1
15:45
@MarkBuffalo No idea. 3 double beds, 1 box room, 2 reception, kitchen, bathroom, downstairs toilet, cellar under half house
@Matthew You can look up your home on zillow to find the size of it
@MarkBuffalo No I can't - am in UK!
@MarkBuffalo lol you 'muricans
oh, lol
@RоryMcCune Don't hate!
I need to know the square footage of a home before buying it, obviously. Never mind if it seems big enough on the inside. The number has to line up with something that can give me face.
@MarkBuffalo Well, according to Google maps, it's about 9.5m by 7.5m, so assuming the walls are a total of 0.5 m in each direction, that's about 125sqm, or 1350sqft
Over 2 floors
15:53
That's tiny
...by American standards
Still bigger than the house we're looking at, though :p
Is it some kind of flat with a million other houses lined up next to it?
@MarkBuffalo It's an Edwardian semi-detached - it's about twice the size of most of the others on the same road!
Man, homes are tiny in the UK
American housing (outside of places like NYC/San Francisco) is very different to housing in most of the UK
UK Average is 76sqm, or 812sqft, apparently
@RоryMcCune And most of the world, actually. We need everything to be big in America to compensate.
Ah, 812 square feet is actually not that bad. I grew up in a 400 sqft dump on the rez
15:56
remember population density in the UK is 650 per square mile and in the US is 84 per square mile
Yup, that has a lot to do with it
not all tiny places tho' my garden is ~150,000 sqft :)
but then I live in the back of beyond
that's really nice
So 3.4 acres
TBH most of it is just some woods that happen to be nominally mine
@MarkBuffalo yeah 3.4/3.5 something like that
We don't square foot the lot size unless it's below like 0.4-5 acres
1 acre is impressive
3.4+ is spectacular
16:01
if you go out to the scottish isles there's like 15-20 acre plots
'cause there's like no-one there
I have a garden area of 11 by 10 m, so not huge!
I'd guess it's the equivalent of like North Dakota or Alaska
@Matthew much nicer size for gardening purposes!
@RоryMcCune We have a lot of high-acre plots about an hour outside nearly all major cities... most people don't like to live there, though
@RоryMcCune Yeah. At some point I need to get out and put my greenhouse back up...
I would love to live out in the country like that... but there are many reasons keeping me away from that
16:02
@Matthew storm damage?
@RоryMcCune Yeah, it blew over. Luckily, plastic panes, so no actual damage, just lying down...
@Matthew you'll be glad of plastic then, clearing up glass panels is a right pain!
@RоryMcCune Yeah, there was a reason I went for them!
good plan
Oh, @RоryMcCune - passed my exam :-)
16:06
@Matthew \o/ YaY!
how did you find it?
@RоryMcCune It was a weird mix. Some bits we really tricky, given my specialities, and other bits seemed to be trivial.
@Matthew yeah it is odd for more specialist testers, 'cause it is this quite general exam
still passing's the main part :)
@RоryMcCune Yeah. I just do a weird set of things!
@Matthew Rent isn't actually that low. It's federally subsidized, so that's the part you pay. The government kicks in the rest.
Yeah, well if you earn $1 per month, that is the amount you pay, while the government kicks in the rest.
Some people make nothing, and pay nothing
16:18
so many bad questions >.<
@Ohnana Yeah, I just responded to one
I'm already rep-capped this morning, so it isn't rep-whoring
Anyone wanna top this off for a re-open?
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Q: Is there a way to privatize my actual location from my ISP?

AviAre there any ways to privatize the actual location of the ISP. Some of them use this information for many purposes. So even changing it to a different location will be acceptable. In addition, I would like to know how can the ISP know what is you current location?

I already voted for reopen
Me too
with no edit ?
16:20
@M'vy @Iszi has an answer.
I didn't think it was OT to begin with, but unclear, but since that isn't the consensus, I'm happy to be wrong.
Maybe I could put some spit & polish on the question too...
does it make it more on-topic than without an answer ?
There you go
@M'vy I don't understand why it's off topic. Privacy, generally speaking, has always been on topic here, save some oddly specific or intractable questions.
yeah agreed. Just wanted to go through the process of knowing why it was closed in the first place
16:23
@Xander I think it's unclear, hence my comment
I didn't VTC though - just to get some actual details, since the OP wasn't clear
@MarkBuffalo that question isn't about sensitive information, though
@schroeder With your routing information and bank account #, I can take yo monies
@MarkBuffalo I'm not sure that you are correct
@MarkBuffalo you need actually sensitive info to use that other info to steal my monies
This information is already stored on your checks. If you give someone a blank check, what do you get?
Yeah, the issue is many people have unchanging IDs, social security numbers, etc
A question like "how can websites detect your location?" might be fine. Or "How does my ISP know that I'm connecting to them from home?"
16:25
And there are already gigantic dumps for those
@MarkBuffalo you've made one logical leap too far
haha, one second
I'm looking for a link. One guy challenged hackers to do something with his account/routing information, assuming it was safe
They donated thousands of his money to charity
@MarkBuffalo if acct# and routing # was all that was needed, then every cheque I have ever written is a passport to all my funds
@MarkBuffalo it requires other sensitive info
@MarkBuffalo Wasn't that Jeremy Clarkson?
@schroeder In order to request to take money out of my account, I just need to provide the account/routing information. On the rare occasion where I need other sensitive information, it's almost always my social security number... and that already exists on dumps
16:29
There we go guys. Question overhauled. Whaddya think?
So if you're in America, and I know who you are, and I can look up your name in a dump, you're pwned.
@Matthew I think so!
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Q: Java card 3 connected edition availability

user1563721Why I am unable to find any Java card 3 connected edition development kit with smart cards? Does it mean that the connected edition are not manufactured by any company currently? The idea of connected edition is interesting and I would like to try it in real situation.

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@Iszi very nice!
@Iszi Makes sense. No idea if it is what OP wanted, but that question is answerable!
> Gobby TV presenter Jeremy Clarkson has been forced to reverse his position after he lost money after publishing his bank account details in a newspaper column.
16:30
@Iszi Definitely a better question now.
> The Top Gear presenter rather rashly published his account details in a column in The Sun to back up his claims that the child benefit data loss furore, which resulted in the loss of unencrypted CDs containing bank details of 25m people, was a lot of fuss about nothing.
> "Contrary to what I said at the time, we must go after the idiots who lost the discs and stick cocktail sticks in their eyes until they beg for mercy,"
@Matthew I'm pretty sure it's close to the original intent.
REKT
See? The sensitive information comes from hacker dumps
They may already have that information on you.
Seriously, be careful with every single private detail of yours.
16:32
To be fair, no-one cared about Jeremy Clarkson losing money. This is the same guy who got fired for punching his producer...
Yeah, but the problem is still there: if I have your bank account information, and I have hacked/found a personal information dump, impersonating you is EASY.
If the bank calls you up to confirm the transaction, that's one thing... and that will likely stop it, but this isn't the case everywhere.
My entire argument lies around the assumption that your personal details are in the wild. It probably depends on the country, though
@MarkBuffalo Oh, I know. I do lots of incident response work which often happens when companies realise these details are being taken...
Yeah :/
exfil
17:13
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Q: What happened to US-CERT Weekly Vulnerability Bulletins?

MikheilWhat happened to US-CERT weekly bulletins about new vulnerabilities? It was one of my sources to get updates about new vulnerabilities and I received nothing since January 25. On the website, also nothing since January, 25. https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/bulletins Anyone know the reason? Will ...

I'm torn about this one. It's clearly a relevant point, but I don't think it's a great fit for the site (we don't know!)
I don't think it's answerable unless they themselves told us why
gonna see if they did..
I first voted to close, then retracted it... it's about an infosec resource and we have many similar questions all over the network that did OK. I expect it'll eventually be answerable, since it's a gov't site.
Yeah. If you can't ask that here, where can you ask?
@TildalWave Good point
17:31
at the same time, we are not CERT
"why is <vendor> doing <action>?" seems to be an anti-pattern
@Ohnana You're an anti-pattern.
i am a sanity anti-pattern
@Ohnana US-CERT is not a vendor, it's a government run program and changes to its service should be governed by changes in policy, so public information
@TildalWave should be public information.
And if there's no public information, things.
Yeah, I can't find any reason why the reports aren't accessible
17:36
then there should be a way of acquiring that information
i'll retract my vote since there's a distinction between public/private
@MarkBuffalo we are talking about 2 very different things. According to your logic, we should give up banking entirely because all that data (bank account, routing numbers) is already in the public domain, and is required to be made public in order for people to do basic banking functions..
@MarkBuffalo of course it is possible to convert any public information into a lever in order to get access, but that is not what the question is talking about
personal banking advice is not on topic here, and that's what's at the heart of the question
Oh, I'm not giving up on banking entirely... I'm just saying you shouldn't willy-nilly throw your routing/account number on random websites/the internet/etc.
It's more of a possibility of it happening. The kind of website the OP was describing made me think of the multiple types of scams that use the same methodologies
But when I first saw that post, I was pretty out of it at the time. Conked out on allergy medicine. Woke up for a few minutes, and derped around, then went back to sleep... sorry, lol
@MarkBuffalo but in order to do banking activities, which is what the OP is asking about, you need to release that information, and the OP isn't talking about tattooing it on their forehead, but to communicate it to a buyer
LMAO
Let me re-read this post
17:50
what an awful tattoo ....
"mark of the beast" in the worst way ...
Yup
Okay, I've read it again... and I missed the point
you're right
Sorry, @schroeder
@MarkBuffalo no worries
I'M STILL WATCHING YOU
@MarkBuffalo kinky
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star wall story
17:56
Phew. That was fun. Thanks for the unlock, guys.
@Iszi Proxy ham
mind that the story is written by The Register... you can't really expect quality or indeed credibility there any more than if it was written by the Huffington Post
or Guardian ....
@MarkBuffalo Aw, come on!
@TildalWave Yeah, low quality, but it happened
@MarkBuffalo Sure, but I have no doubt that there's some tiny detail that's missing and they weren't bothered to research
17:58
@Iszi You already covered proxy ham though
@MarkBuffalo How's that?
> There are a few ways to get around this, but they're generally inconvenient, costly, and/or illegal.
d:
It also doesn't solve the underlying issue of the ISP knowing where the proxy ham connection originates from
@MarkBuffalo Well, yeah. But in my listing of tracking methods and workarounds, I didn't note it.
@MarkBuffalo But depending on the frequency and mode, the proxy ham connection could be very far from the endpoint device.
most UK press works just like NY police, if you substitute "shoot" with "print/publish"
@Iszi And comprehensive, as usual. Well done.
18:00
@Iszi That is true
@MarkBuffalo But then you get back into the problem with dial-up. It's damn slow.
Proxy ham isn't just limited to dial up?
I'll think about fitting it in there somewhere. No guarantees.
@MarkBuffalo I dunno about the proxy. What I meant is that for any long-range radio service that's authorized to hams, data transmission isn't exactly expedient.
ah, true
@MarkBuffalo In a sense, you could say proxy ham is covered under "hooking up to the Internet at a friend's house".
18:03
Yep
There are a million different uses for it
18:16
@MarkBuffalo Hm. I guess I didn't really cover satellite Internet services. Though, they pretty much fall victim to all the issues affecting cellular anyway.
I have internet access in which nobody knows where I am, or who I am, at any time.
Not even the ISP knows
:}
Even though I am paying for it, it's invisible to everyone
I'll bite... how's that?
I don't want to say. It may get "fixed"
Think about it though... how would you do that?
@MarkBuffalo your cat is wandering around the neighbourhood with a wifi AP?
lmfaooooooooo
@schroeder No, the ISP literally doesn't know anything about me
18:20
@MarkBuffalo you live next to a Starbucks?
Well, you haven't specified that what you're doing is legal...
@Iszi I think it's legal
@MarkBuffalo "think"
@schroeder Not using anyone's wifi
Living with your mom?
18:20
or even using wifi
lmao
in my mind, its simple, you just take over someone else's valid account
Nope, not even close
Not touching anything that belongs to anyone else
infrastructure phreaking?
I am not that kind of person
You can't really hide your physical location, though
@MarkBuffalo I still think you're living with your mom. You just bought the modem.
18:22
It's just that said ISP will not know anything at all about you... except the general area you're in
@Iszi Burner phone with prepaid credit card
@MarkBuffalo Well, that still doesn't mean you don't.
5GB 4G LTE, pay online with it's own ISP-provided internet, use prepaid card loaded with cash money
Haha, I don't
Actually, that almost makes it more probable that you do. Your mom grounded you from the Internet, so you're working around it with your little phone deal.
heehee
18:25
So yeah, that is one way to remain anonymous
Yeah, for ultimate anonymity just live with your mom. Or @Simon's.
Can never turn on your location feature, though
So technically, that is a way to hide.
Should I add this to that post?
@MarkBuffalo I think some providers/phones actually use a mechanism that bypasses user disabling of location services. Or, of course, they could just fall back to the "we own the towers" bit.
Yahoo pentest team just executed a ROP chain on Apache+PHP using CVE-2015-7547. Still not reliable or 'weaponized' but huge progress made
^@Adi looks like whilst tricky people are starting to make progress on the glibc thing...
Nice
Everyone has a plan until they get ROP'd in the mouth
18:28
@MarkBuffalo Not really. Can sort of hide, but they can triangulate you, and if someone decides they want to find you precisely, they have the equipment to do it easily.
@Xander You can use your own phone and disable that location feature permanently
@MarkBuffalo RF can't hide. Anywhere.
@MarkBuffalo But you can't turn off the radio and continue to have Internet access. RFDF has been good enough to find individual tranceivers since at least WWII.
@Xander Good point
@MarkBuffalo Like I said, back to "we own the towers".
18:30
@Iszi Actually... come to think of it
For that matter, I was trained in it in high school for SAR work. So, one could say that it's child's play.
@MarkBuffalo Search and rescue.
@Xander Also, using this method, you can be completely anonymous while hacking. Nobody will ever find you.
But that involves bringing the phone to a random place and abandoning it, and not getting caught
@MarkBuffalo Nobody may know who you are. But so long as you're transmitting - and if your phone is on, you are - you can be found.
18:33
The phone will have to automate everything
@MarkBuffalo Nonsense.
Your phone is found, not you.
@Xander Read again
So, you set up the phone as a proxy?
No, it can't receive commands, or metadata trails will get you. All the hacks will need to take place on that phone
@MarkBuffalo It isn't the location of the phone that'll get you, it's the money trail.
18:34
(Not that I do this, I just find it fascinating what's possible)
@Xander Pay with cash only?
@MarkBuffalo No, this is easy. Can't be via phone though - they probably don't have the hardware to do it.
Security cams will likely store data only for 6 months. Buy phone, activate after 6 months
This question has me thinking of ways to get around everything
You build a two-radio cellular device that acts as a proxy. One of the radios links to an interface that'll be the one you connect to remotely, and the other one links to the ISP that the phone will be using to give you Internet. Put an accelerometer in there, and set it up so that any substantial movement triggers a full wipe of the device automatically.
that's a little extreme, and not necessary
You don't want any meta data leading back to you
@MarkBuffalo But what will, really?
18:37
If you're using a proxy ham, your presence at the proxy will be brought up when the proxy artist is questioned
that makes you a suspect
@MarkBuffalo So, I'm not going to suggest that it isn't possible to do this and not get caught. It certainly is. But the chance to slip up somewhere along the way, and leave evidence that leads back to you is not insignificant. What I am saying is that it isn't reasonable to think that this guarantees that you won't be caught, or that you're untraceable. It doesn't.
@MarkBuffalo But you're not.
(In my scenario)
And when connecting to the proxy "phone", you use VPN.
VPN doesn't matter
metadata > VPN
What metadata where? And by VPN I mean like TOR.
@Xander I agree, it's only possible if you don't slip up.
@Iszi Just because you're using TOR doesn't mean you're really anonymous
ISP's generally log all connections to/fro at a specified time
The NSA logs all connections to/fro at every hop. Just finding you connected to that IP address at a specific time, and that was associated with a VPN chain, is enough to potentially unmask you
"oh we're in small town x. there's only one person using tor here. Score!"
18:41
Okay, so it's probably not impossible. But really, I'd be interested to see if there's actually been a case where a TOR user has been de-anonymized just by tracing back the ISP's connection logs.
k, sec. I'll show you one :]
So essentially, one user was deanonymized because he was the only one in his town connected to TOR at the time
And in another case, the only one in the dorm connected to TOR
Your established connection to TOR is not a secret
Also, how do you think the FBI keeps busting people behind 8 proxies?
So you work out of New York...
Let's go through the logic a little
give me a second
Or we could go back to your proxy ham idea. Only you're the proxy provider and Internet gateway is via burner phone.
Yeah, that will work
[10:00:33] **User A** connects to **Proxy A** (User A)
[10:00:34] **Proxy A** connects to **Proxy B** (User A)
[10:00:34] **Proxy A** connects to **Proxy B** (User B)
[10:00:34] **Proxy B** connects to **Proxy C** (User A)
[10:00:34] **Proxy C** connects to **Proxy D** (User A)
So you get a list of likely connections at those specific time frames, and you have a list of proxies that are interconnected
18:46
@MarkBuffalo The problem with that is it's not a proper representation of TOR. With a path properly set up for anonymity, the links will be spread across several ISPs and jurisdictions.
And now for the part where the anonymity starts breaking down:
You are sending specific data, even though it's encrypted, at specific times. The Proxies you are chaining are sending different data because it's encrypted on their end too... so you're running an encryption chain... but....
Eventually, a pattern emerges, and you are able to unmask the entire route, start to finish, to show a handful of very likely connections
You then investigate each starting connection individually
But how do you do this if you don't have access to all of the infrastructure used. Some links may be in unfriendly territories.
@Iszi xkeyscore/prism
Read the snowden docs
Apparently the NSA is able to collect all hop data worldwide. All of it
facepalm
18:50
Well, if you've pissed off the NSA that's your first mistake. Not your TOR setup.
It's simple... you have a very few set of hardcore entry points
undersea cables
You log everything going to/from those cables, and then you can deal with the little stuff individually
@RoraΖ
> The key used to decrypt the payload is not necessarily the same key.
@MarkBuffalo Right!?!?
@RoraΖ This is possible in some cases
One second
I can't see what OP is referring to, though
You can use a different key to decrypt than when you encrypt?
Yeah, this happened with a backdoored encryption
18:52
Or are you referring to asymmetric
@MarkBuffalo Okay, so you can detect that somebody made an international connection with TOR across a specific link. And, assuming you have access to all domestic infrastructure, you could trace that back to an individual. But you still don't know which connection - there must be hundreds at a given time - led to the exit node of interest, unless the idiot made the exit node his only international connection.
@Iszi You can narrow it down by watching the data streams
But the data streams look different at the exit than they do at the entry...
doesn't matter
connection path + meta data
The only usable information you would have is timing and volume of data transfers.
18:55
But it's TOR, the metadata will be different because he takes 3 hops.
You may know their origin but you don't know the ultimate destination.
if you can monitor the hop, you can find the likely paths
@MarkBuffalo You can't find anything for certain except the next link. And that's beyond your jurisdiction. It's like getting away from Texas Highway Patrol by crossing the border into Mexico.
yeah I don't think this a feasible way to monitor TOR
Not me, I'm talking about the feds which have this "jurisdiction"
There are many ways of determining an appropriate connection pattern
18:58
Feds don't have jurisdiction across international lines.
that's why they're called Feds
@RoraΖ Xkeyscore says otherwise
Foreign yes, once on American Soil, no

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