The DMZ

Mark Buffalo

14:02

@Adi Hope you make it.

kalina

look at the fogey

Adi

@Simon Nah, man. You're an expert!

Rоry McCune

@kalina @MarkBuffalo is a fogey? who knew

Simon

pls

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune shakes cane Back in my day...

kalina

14:04

...everything was in black and white

Mark Buffalo

Yep, are you a fogey as well?

kalina

...people casually drank cocaine for medicinal purposes

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo well @kalina is getting on a bit, yeah

kalina

no

Adi

I'm not sure what to conclude from this

Rоry McCune

14:06

@Adi @kalina is in the top 6% of users on the site?

Thomas Pornin

@DavidFreitag Oooh, it's nasty.

Note that it impacts only socat in SSL server role, not client.

I don't think it is malicious, though. This more looks like incompetence.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin Rule #1 of tinfoil hattery: never attribute to incompetence what can be attributed to malice.

Simon

Incompetence™

AviD

@MarkBuffalo aka Hanlon's Razor.

no wait, you said the opposite of that

nm

Rоry McCune

@kalina well according to scifi.stackexchange.com/a/49827/49220 it seems likely that you're at least 42

Mark Buffalo

14:15

@AviD Hanlon's Foil

AviD

heh

kalina

sigh

Simon

le sigh

AviD

Some Iranian bloke has tried to connect to me on LinkedIn. What does that mean?

Simon

l'sigh

kalina

14:16

@Adi basically, your information security site is such a joke that even a random pony can get into the top 10% of all users on it

with basically zero effort

AviD

supposedly from here...

@kalina or, perhaps, you are less unqualified than you make out to be.

Simon

@kalina It's a joke because it's moderated by bad people like ovid and avid.

Adi

@kalina That's exactly what I thought as well

kalina

pls it's completely obvious that I'm not qualified at all

Mark Buffalo

@AviD Clearly a plot

AviD

14:17

fitting. you are such a troll, you'll even pretend to be clueless.

@Simon heh, both of them??

kalina

I know basically nothing about information security

Simon

@AviD Yes.

AviD

@kalina empirically false.

kalina

@AviD I heavily resent this comment

AviD

"knowing less than @RoryAlsop" != "knowing nothing"

@kalina hehe. I basically called you smart, and you took offense.

kalina

14:18

@AviD just because I made a couple of common sense answers doesn't make me qualified in any way at all

Mark Buffalo

@RoryAlsop Knows a far bit more than he lets on

kalina

especially since they were generic windows questions

Simon

@MarkBuffalo ....wat

kalina

@AviD no, you called me a troll

AviD

@MarkBuffalo THATS WHAT IM SAYING MARKUS

@kalina ironically

kalina

14:19

there is nothing ironic about it

Mark Buffalo

@kalina So you knew something important, and you put aside tinfoil hattery

Simon

@MarkBuffalo If I were roro, I'd kick yo ass.

AviD

@kalina no, but having common sense makes you more qualified than a large portion of our industry.

kalina

no

Mark Buffalo

Only issue is that Microsoft is still logging a lot of your stuff by default

AviD

14:20

@MarkBuffalo wut

Mark Buffalo

They even tell you when you install Windows 10

kalina

@MarkBuffalo you mean "I went through the Windows 10 install process and saw a bunch of touch friendly checkboxes"

Ohnana

lmao i just got the revival badge for an answer posted a year ago

Mark Buffalo

They offer to: log your keys, save your disk encryption password to the cloud, etc.

AviD

oh! @Simon you'll like this... I just picked up yet another client/project (working on details) due to my answers here on Sec.SE.... and especially my Rule of Usability.

Mark Buffalo

14:21

@AviD Nice!

Simon

@AviD 10/10 son

kalina

I can't believe anybody would hire that @AviD

AviD

@Simon aww thought it would upset you :-(

almost why bother

@kalina inorite??

Simon

I gotta make my own rule and post a snarky answer.

kalina

eugh I was going to be mean but then concluded I'm not committed enough to continue

Simon

14:22

"One small pony shall rule the earth if the said pony is highly qualified"

kalina

two humans wouldn't be able to repopulate the earth

the inbreeding would wipe them out

Simon

Yeah but they'd have a good time at least.

AviD

@Simon AviD's Law of SE Snark: You can turn a germ of a semi-answer into popular revenue producing mega answer, by simply adding just the right amount of snark.

hmm, no, that one sucks.

Simon

Yeah, work on it.

Ohnana

0

Q: Track phone 4 months ago

A person was on 4g internet 4 months ago and registrated on a website called pornhub. This person is now being traced thriugh the ip address. Is it possible to track this person down? Is there anything this person can do now to cover up?

ip 4g

"this person"

kalina

14:23

if all else fails; common sense

Ohnana

it's okay buddy, your porn habits are safe

Mark Buffalo

Lmfqo

Simon

lmfqo

AviD

@Ohnana lol sooper vague

Simon

@AviD Yet they state the website.

AviD

14:24

@MarkBuffalo q?

Mark Buffalo

A

I'm on my phone

Adi

@Ohnana Ficken trolls

Ohnana

@Adi the game is "troll or stupid"

Mark Buffalo

@

@Ohnana I want to reply, "It's all over, lawbreaker. Your spree is at an end"

Adi

@Ohnana 99% troll

Ohnana

14:26

apparently it's the swedish police...

Simon

wee woo wee woo

Ohnana

i feel like they're the kinda people to rub on out with ya, not arrest you for pron

Simon

it's the blond police

kalina

the swedish police or the swedish house mafia?

Mark Buffalo

Might not be stupid. Porn is illegal in most Muslim countries. It's also illegal in China, and many other places.

kalina

14:28

yes but having your own opinion is illegal in China

Adi

2 mins ago, by Adi

@Ohnana Ficken trolls

Mark Buffalo

You can get in serious trouble in some places

@kalina Only if it contradicts the party line, lulz

Adi

Simon

I won't say anything about the picture otherwise people will be all mad and fleg me.

Ohnana

those are enormous utility belts

they must walk like cowboys

AviD

14:30

@Simon you dont need to say anything, your intentions are clear.

Simon

@AviD I just wanna say that I'd let them arrest me.

AviD

@kalina sometimes I wish that were true for some people everywhere....

Adi

@Ohnana You should see the Finnish police

Rоry McCune

@Adi yeah I've heard they're animals!

Adi

@RоryMcCune Not a joke. In some parts of Finland, reindeers are part of the police force.

Rоry McCune

14:39

yeah I guessed that pic was legit

makes sense up north

Simon

Does that mean that Santa Claus is Finnish?

kalina

@AviD the opinions of most people are merely recycled from mainstream media anyway

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune "you keep smiling for the camera, or i'm going to be having stew for dinner"

Matthew

@Simon Depends if you think he lives in Lapland (which is in Finland) or at the North Pole

@Simon There are arguments each way

Simon

@Matthew I don't know, I haven't met the guy.

kalina

14:42

I set my windows hello to me pulling a face

I haven't changed it yet but I've completely got into the habit of just pulling faces at my sp4 regardless of where I am

Simon

You're a face.

kalina

stop being mean

Matthew

@Simon It's kind of the wrong time of year, but I'm sure your local garden centre or shopping arcade will have a visit from him at some point, should you wish to change that

Simon

@Matthew Oh nevermind, I did meet him a while ago then.

Adi

@Ohnana reindeer burger.. nomnomnom

Simon

14:44

@Adi It has to taste good.

Ohnana

@Adi second only to venison

Mark Buffalo

Mmmmm Rudolphburgers

I didn't have time to eat breakfast today. :(

There's always lunch. ..

Matthew

@MarkBuffalo Don't get the antlers stuck in your teeth

kalina

I wish the icon on mail notifications in android was "mark as read" instead of "archive"

Adi

I don't think this is a good way to use LinkedIn

kalina

14:51

that could save me literally 30+ minutes a day on some days

Adi

That thread now has roughly 220 comments

Almost all the same.

kalina

use the cleavage

or, find another job

Mark Buffalo

Looks like a good way to me

Look at all the desperate losers giving her attention

Matthew

@Adi It's quite clever, but possibly not useful

Mark Buffalo

That'll probably land them at least a few clients

kalina

14:53

all of you who're supporting this behavior are part of the problem

Ohnana

@Adi wow that's awful

Adi

@Matthew Not clever at all

Unless her business field is prostitution, I don't really see how this is clever

Matthew

@Adi Depends if you subscribe to the theory of "all publicity is good publicity" or not

Rоry McCune

@Adi freudian slip there much?

Ohnana

"Hmm, why don't i let all my employers know that I'm a thirsty twat"

Mark Buffalo

14:55

@Adi Well, cleavers are usually for cutting things. She's got the cutty for sure.

Rоry McCune

@kalina I don't think anyone here is supporting that behaviour

@Adi here too

kalina

2 mins ago, by Mark Buffalo

Looks like a good way to me

Matthew

In this case, think how many people are now going to have interesting conversations with HR about making derogatory comments, and need a new job

Mark Buffalo

Yeah I'm not supporting it. From a business standpoint, that kind of stupid crap is wildly successful, so....

Adi

@kalina WHaaa?

Ah okay. Just remembered I have him on ignore.

Mark Buffalo

14:56

I don't like it. It's a good way, as in, a very effective way, to get attention and customers.

kalina

@Adi why would you have him on ignore?

Mark Buffalo

@kalina He doesn't like people asking questions

Adi

@kalina Because he's an idiot

kalina

@MarkBuffalo do you remember how I hate life and fuck everything because fuck FUCK WHAT WHY GRRRR FUUUUUUUUCK

Mark Buffalo

Yeah :(

kalina

14:57

that's because of how successful this type of marketing is, to the point where it becomes the default type

Matthew

I don't think I've ever left any comments on LinkedIn. I mostly use it to determine which recruiters are scum

Mark Buffalo

Yup, it's pretty pathetic.

Rоry McCune

@Matthew a white list is easier.. there's not many on my white list

Adi

@Matthew Especially in the last few months, I've been seeing more and more Facebookie posts there

Ohnana

@kalina plus, the whole point of linked in is to scam the system to get an audience so you don't have to buy a recruiter acct

Mark Buffalo

14:58

@Matthew They're quite annoying

@RоryMcCune Agreed.

Ohnana

@Adi it is amazing how passive-aggressive you're being right now

Adi

@Ohnana I'm being passive?

Not at all

kalina

so it's fair to say you don't like him

is that because of his initial behavior or the behavior since ?

Adi

If anything, I'm being active aggressive

kalina

if you ignore people you think are idiots why am I not on your ignore list?

Adi

14:59

@kalina Because I don't think you're an idiot?

M'vy

hm. Anyone good at zsh ?

Looking for doc on :

for k in ${(k)color}
for k in ${color[(I)3?]}

AviD

@Adi jeez you guys, get a room

kalina

oh

well

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana It all started back when I asked questions to get a different perspective. He hated that, and instead of discussing rationally, decided to opt for insults instead.

Matthew

@RоryMcCune I think my white list would include the recruiter for @employer and that's it...

kalina

15:00

that covers that then I guess

Adi

@MarkBuffalo Now that I unignored you, no.

That's not why I think you're an idiot

Rоry McCune

@Matthew there's two I've worked with in that past that I don't mind and one I know that I went to school with, apart from that ... not so many

Adi

Not at all

kalina

woooooah

you unignored him?

Adi

@MarkBuffalo In fact, that was a discussion that I enjoyed with you so much

Mark Buffalo

15:01

I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, nor seek a different perspective

I apologize if I pissed you off.

kalina

I've never seen you admit you're wrong

maybe you should do that more frequently

Adi

@kalina Plus, you're pretty nice most of the time.

Mark Buffalo

Lol

kalina

@Adi but seriously, what did you do with the real @Adi

Rоry McCune

@Adi are you being sexist again, calling @kalina pretty?

kalina

15:02

I was 99% sure we were on bad terms because I exist and you didn't like it, or at least you didn't at one point

Adi

@RоryMcCune For all I know, she might actually be pretty

Mark Buffalo

@kalina I was at least 42.9% sure you hated me or something :x

kalina

then again that's the reason that most people don't like me

Rоry McCune

@Adi this is true, but then this is the Internet , so anyone could be anyone...

kalina

I hate nobody on the internet

I have a major dislike for a couple of people

Mark Buffalo

15:04

@Adi Was it the completely out of line joke about torture? I apologize.

kalina

but those individuals aren't in here

"joke about torture"?!

Mark Buffalo

It's obvious I've really offended you in some way, so I'd like to make it up somehow.

Adi

@kalina He basically said I'm dumb for being tortured

Mark Buffalo

That's a little out of context

kalina

even without context you said you joked about torture

that's pretty sick

might as well throw in some casual racism and murder some women for being out after dark

Mark Buffalo

15:07

Yeah, that wasn't cool.

Adi

@kalina Yay for murder!

Mark Buffalo

I apologize.

Iszi

@AviD I'd modify this, in your answer: "especially by those capable to find the vulnerabilities" - add, "...and inclined to disclose them to you upon discovery".

Adi

@MarkBuffalo It's cool, man.

AviD

@Iszi good point, please do

though I think I may have mentioned something around that later?

Mark Buffalo

15:08

@Adi Also, I kinda know what you've been through. Can sort of relate.

Adi

@kalina Just reminded me of a dude I met in Estonia a few days ago. He said "It's not like I want all the Jews to die or something, but I think the Nazis were very good"

Mark Buffalo

It's not cool

kalina

I doubt that somebody who had been tortured would joke about it ever

people that survive such events usually develop a severe overreaction to any future references to such acts

Mark Buffalo

Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying

Yep, ptsd is hardcore.

Journeyman Geek

@kalina humour can be a coping mechanism for some

AviD

15:11

@Iszi cheers!

kalina

I'm debating at this point finding someplace to sell me a bottle of wine so I can drunk myself to sleep

Rоry McCune

@kalina To the Bottle-O!

(I found that australians have special shops for alcohol and call them "Bottle-O's" unreasonably amusing)

kalina

among other things

Matthew

@RоryMcCune We have special shops for alcohol too! We call them "offies"!

Rоry McCune

@Matthew sure but there you can only get alcohol in the Bottle-O's , no wandering into any supermarket

AviD

15:19

@Matthew "offices"? Thats your special place for alcohol?

Rоry McCune

heck here there's Whisky sold at Petrol stations!

AviD

@RоryMcCune interesting, how many miles per bottle?

Rоry McCune

@AviD Heretic! proposing using whisky for fuel

AviD

@RоryMcCune not me, guv, twas your statement

also, pls, I've had some really rough bottles

can barely call it whisky

kalina

unreal, you can get a bottle of wine on room service at 2:30

Mark Buffalo

15:23

@kalina Ho Ho ho, to the bottle I go, to heal my heart and drown my woe.

Rоry McCune

@AviD hey they sell lots of things you wouldn't put in your petrol tank at petrols stations over here, including news papers, and pork pies

AviD

@kalina am or pm?

Ohnana

gas stations? i have to go to a state owned shop to buy anything stronger than juice

Rоry McCune

@kalina nice, must be a decent hotel

Mark Buffalo

@kalian Not the answer. You should be proud of having done the right thing.

Rоry McCune

15:24

@Ohnana yeah that wouldn't go down well in Scotland

Mark Buffalo

I have a lot more respect for you now

kalina

@MarkBuffalo this feels like it belongs in the conversation from an hour ago

Matthew

@AviD No, don't be sill... looks at the lab in the corner Actually, you can get quite a lot of alcohol in offices, yes...

AviD

if you work at a hipster startup, they will have beer on tap.

probably make everyone crush a can or two on their heads at daily standup

Matthew

@AviD I work with @RоryMcCune! But not in his luxury pad...

AviD

15:25

@RоryMcCune $STARTUP actually states on their website that they have TWO kinds of beer on tap....

Rоry McCune

I have a whisky cupboard in my office!

AviD

@RоryMcCune nice

I have to go upstairs for my wetbar

Rоry McCune

@AviD craft micro-brews?

AviD

@RоryMcCune obvs

or maybe IPA

dunno

Rоry McCune

lolz hey @Ohnana sounds like you should go work there

AviD

15:27

> PranQster by North Coast

NOLA cold brew by Joyride

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune i actually dislike any kind of alcohol that doesn't taste like fruit

so beer is right out

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana ah yeah I forgot you're young

AviD

@RоryMcCune srcclr.com/about-us

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana although you can actually get some fruity tasting beers

Ohnana

my coworkers were making fun of me on travel :(

@RоryMcCune yeah, they're tasty enough

Matthew

15:28

@RоryMcCune I remember having a really good cherry beer. Was fabulous...

Jeff Ferland

Nothing exciting happens on Security.SE in my time zone.

AviD

@Jefff!

Ohnana

JEFF-FA-FA

kalina

@JeffFerland maybe you should try turning up during real timezones

Jeff Ferland

But I don't want to be awake now. On that note, should I get the train in 30 minutes or wait 90?

AviD

15:31

@JeffFerland compormise and do 60.

Jeff Ferland

Pants are a strong deterrent. That's all I'm saying.

kalina

I don't want to be awake now either

Mark Buffalo

I don't either

kalina

I am also currently pantless

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo remember being pantless is different for US'ians and UK'ians

Mark Buffalo

15:33

@RоryMcCune How so?

AviD

@RоryMcCune exactly

Mark Buffalo

wtf... linked in just asked me to connect to 19 people

ffs

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo In the US pants refer to trousers, in the UK pants refer to underwear

Mark Buffalo

I clicked the button thinking it would show me a list of people... NOPE

Matthew

@RоryMcCune Except in Lancashire. They are weird and use the American version

Mark Buffalo

15:34

@RоryMcCune Oh wow.

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune that's also true for pantieless :)

Rоry McCune

@Matthew they do.. who knew!

@TildalWave true

AviD

@Matthew that is probably pronounces "Lantsher"

or "Queen's Road"

M'vy

Who's Phil ?

AviD

@M'vy the groundhog?

kalina

15:35

sigh, I hate removed messages

and I don't have room owner to see them

M'vy

Hum, probably not. Does not look like him on the linkedin profile

kalina

big, completely demoralized sigh

Adi

@kalina Become a mod. Anybody can become a mod

M'vy

but he knows you and tildal

Rоry McCune

@kalina don't worry you're not missing much

kalina

15:36

I don't want to be a mod

M'vy

@AviD I though of that too btw

@Adi been there, tried that

AviD

@M'vy then dont go doxxin

dont go doxxin my hart

I couldnt if I tried

dont gooooo doxxin

to try and please me

oooo oooooooh

what have I been singing about

TildalWave

what?

AviD

what?

TildalWave

I'm hungry

Rоry McCune

15:39

@M'vy oh yeah, what tildal said

Mark Buffalo

;)

M'vy

@RоryMcCune what?

TildalWave

LOL

AviD

@M'vy what?

Rоry McCune

@AviD huh?

AviD

15:40

lol

Mark Buffalo

haha

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo you know you have same smile as Mark Ruffalo?

Jeff Ferland

LinkedIn: Drove me crazy as a regular person. Drives me crazy as a hiring manager since it's the only way I know to find people.

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave How?

AviD

@JeffFerland tried careers.so?

TildalWave

15:44

@MarkBuffalo On your LinkedIn profile pic, you smile in the same way as Ruffalo on most photos

Mark Buffalo

@JeffFerland Recruiters are immensely annoying

TildalWave

I thought it's uncanny

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave Weird, never realized that. I was just making fun of his name

Matthew

@AviD Sadly not, it's "Lan-ka-shire" or "Lank-er-shire"

AviD

@Matthew hmm, thats surprisingly predictable.

how do they confuse foreigners??

Matthew

15:45

Not to be confused with Lanarkshire

@AviD The accent, generally

TildalWave

or Lincolnshire

AviD

@Matthew heh

Matthew

@AviD Oh, and the county town is "Lancaster", pronounced as spelt. but "Bicester", elsewhere in the UK is "Bis-ter"

AviD

ah there ya go

Matthew

Although that's almost regular in the UK. Most towns ending in "cester" are pronounced as "ster"

Except Cirencester, which is "Siren ces ter"

I do apologise for the UK's inability to agree on pronouncing things as they are spelt

6

TildalWave

15:50

like Norwich which is pronounced without the w

Rоry McCune

yeah up in Scotland we have Milngavie , which is pronounced "Mill-Guy"

Matthew

@RоryMcCune And Cockburnspath, which is "Co-path"

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune I would pronounce that Millin gavvy, or gavier

or gav-veye

Iszi

@AviD Yeah, you kinda did. For some reason it just really felt like that still needed fixing though. Especially alongside the presence of certain other answers that didn't bother to mention such possibilities.

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo yeah that's one way they spot foreigners round those parts

Matthew

15:53

Oh, and there is Leominster, which is "Lemster", to rhyme with "Hamster"

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune Anyone take advantage of 'em? :b

I find people enjoy taking advantage of dumb foreign tourists pretty much anywhere I go

Matthew

@MarkBuffalo That just feels like the setup to a joke...

Mark Buffalo

@Matthew Because I'm a dumb tourist? :D

TTJ.jpg

Matthew

@MarkBuffalo I would never presume to judge. You may be a very intelligent tourist, but meeting cruel locals everywhere you go. You might be wearing a vaguely offensive t-shirt that upsets people. You might be smart but rude, and making constant social faux pas such as showing the soles of your feet, or eating everything on the plate...

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