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15:09
@AviD The d is silent.
@MarkBuffalo It also strikes when you least expect it.
@Simon Hello I like you
should we leave you two alone?
pls no
@AviD noes
15:13
well i finally got my shell
Don't leave me alone with him. He'll be petting me on the head and calling me his donut. 🍩
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@paj28 SHELLZ!
download a static ncat binary using curl
@MarkBuffalo o pls hell to da no
then ncat back out through the proxy
15:13
@paj28 you should get out of it
@paj28 predictable/known proxy address?
@AviD pls ovid this is tester talk
cat /proc/self/environ
proxy was in the args passed to java
@RоryMcCune no no, he's complaining he is an introvert.
it's psychology, dude.
@paj28 nice! I was wondering about that, as unlike Windows it's not always declared at a system level..
well, abnormal psychology. But that's normal for us.
15:20
@ThomasPornin D:
wtf man
@ThomasPornin It is also well-known that this is not healthy and not permanent because you'll end up going back to your old habit at some point.
@ThomasPornin Woooow what the hell
Starving yourself is not a solution: eating enough, healthy and physical activity is.
@ThomasPornin did you just go full godwin on @MarkBuffalo's diet??
@JourneymanGeek yes it does count as a rep cap
15:22
@AviD lulz
Not currently dieting anyway... But damn, that was a bit brutal.
@MarkBuffalo BEAR ATTACK!
@AviD The Bear is not subject to Godwin's law.
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Who just instantly star that like a mong?
@Simon YOU'RE A MONG
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS
15:24
:O
MONGOLOID
@Simon thats racist
or are you insulting certain genetic diseases
which is arguably worse
@AviD The term was coined at a time when racism was acceptable, even expected.
that doesnt make it better
o pls
BEARFAIL!
15:26
Nobody's using that term in a racist way.
1 min ago, by AviD
or are you insulting certain genetic diseases
NOOOOOOOOOO
I agree with the tigger in this case. And that is not the most frequent thing.
Just like when I use the term "tapette" or "fif", it is not meant to attack homosexuals.
@AviD Timing is crucial: you could say that someone with three chromosomes 21 "looks like a Mongol" in the 19th century, but you would not have said that in the 13th century...
15:26
@Simon really, that's what I thought you were doing...
Only Mr. Pornut will understand that one.
If you want to insult someone, use some insult that doesn't insult other people.
@AviD I used to use the word "mong" and "mongloid" a lot. So when my wife and I were laughing at someone for being dumb, I translated "mongoloid," and it came up with "Mongolian." My wife lost it, and laughed so hard.... Because Mongolia is an enemy of China...
@RоryMcCune OH COME ON RORO
Purely unintentional
15:27
@Simon I have literally never heard those words before. You homophobe.
@AviD It's purely French Canadian I believe.
I don't think you would hear that in France.
@Simon seriously from my locale/age using that term was specifically derogatory of people with certain illnesses.
@Simon "tapette" is also known in France.
@ThomasPornin Oh.
Nice to know that somion is an equal-opportunity discriminator.
15:28
@Simon First one is also used in Belgian French, I never heard the second one.
@RоryMcCune Really? Wow.
@Simon urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mongoloid Urban dictionary has that definition too
Usually as "vieille tapette" to qualify a certain former minister of Culture and Arts.
let's just call people buttheads
@Ohnana or canadians
15:29
@AviD ROOD
@ThomasPornin Hehe.
@Ohnana That is an insult I can get behind.
@RоryMcCune Well, here too but you would not say that to someone who's genuinely mentally retarded, unless you're a really bad person.
@Simon HOW IS THAT BETTER
Mongoloid isn't used to refer to retarded people where I'm from
Just someone who is an idiot on purpose. It's supposed to be funny.
15:31
@AviD WHATEVER MAN, THE WHOLE FUCKING PLANET GETS OFFENDED AT THINGS THAT I DON'T GET OFFENDED BY.
"yes, I will insult him, but not to his face! I mean come on."
@AviD that's actually not how the joke works
@Simon BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ASS
apologies to asses, I've met some nice ones
@AviD AN ASS WOULD USE THOSE WORDS WITH THE PURPOSE OF HURTING PEOPLE
I DON'T
OKAY?
I think I have a kidney stone
15:32
@Ohnana I was talking about this, not your insults
@MarkBuffalo No you don't, otherwise you wouldn't bother typing here.
I'd rather use rocks.
Also.
@Simon uhh thats not how it works
THat should distract half of you.
@JourneymanGeek I like that box! I've got the same one.
15:33
@Simon You hurt me every single day
@JourneymanGeek "self repair manifesto"
o pls
I cry myself to sleep because @Simon thinks I'm a Mong.
If I hurt anyone in here, you need to work on your Internet shell.
@Simon STOP MAKING ME AGREE WITH THE TIGGER.
15:33
2BAD
@Simon I had one but @paj28 stole it
@AviD the case, or the actual boxes?
@Simon You don't insult us specifically with that insult, but keeping to use that asociates that mental disorder with the insult, even if that's not what you are aiming at.
(also, the only time my desk would be this clean. New monitor - so I removed everything and redid the cabling)
@JourneymanGeek v nice
15:34
@Arperum The issue is that to me, it is not associated to something bad.
i like your posters
@Ohnana thanks. Most of them are not visible tho ;p
@JourneymanGeek I start off with a clean, minimalist computer desk. Then it becomes slowly cluttered over time...
I put them up back when I was using a 20" 1600x800 screen
@JourneymanGeek what's the one with the sunbeams? red with a person in the corner
15:35
soviet bear
lol
@JourneymanGeek And then I ritualistically pour coffee into a vat of you-know-what
That's scary.
@MarkBuffalo I typically move stuff into a box periodically...
I'm at 2 boxes now.
not very large ones
15:36
@JourneymanGeek I would applaud you on that bear, but I'm already on ten lists. Wouldn't want to give anyone the wrong idea.
@Simon Yea, but using something as an insult results in said thing being seen as something bad/despicable. That's how brains work, and you are clearly not smart enough to see that that is flawed reasoning. (But then again, you are using it as an insult), but loads of people do not see that it is magically not meant to insult the people you are comparing them with.
GUYS GUYS GUYS
@Arperum JUST CALLED ME SMART
I also have the british dalek, a r2d2 blueprint I saw online once..
@Arperum Agreed. This is why I cry every time @Simon calls me a Mong.
@Simon No, I did not. I called you smart enough to have a basic understanding of a simple and logical concept.
15:38
@JourneymanGeek I want a real dalek, but I'd settle for a poster.
GUYS GUYS GUYS HE CALLED ME SMART AGAIN
@MarkBuffalo the beeb released that as a PDF
most of those posters are printed out
@JourneymanGeek Beeb?
@Simon There, fixed it.
:(
15:40
@Arperum Zing
And if I eat a chatban for that insult, it was worth it.
@JourneymanGeek Muffler overflow PDF CVE cheat code
15:43
Arbitrary coderflow execution attack on my aol cds
AOL cds. THere's some stuff even skiddies won't touch
@JourneymanGeek my dad used to scratch the cds and give them to me to play with
drink coasters, frisbees, looking at the pretty colors, etc
@Ohnana I used to use cds like that as coasters
now I have HDD platters ;p
@Ohnana Yeah I used to play with them, and collect them.
@JourneymanGeek o man
@MarkBuffalo i had literally 100s
15:45
@Ohnana too lazy to wipe em, so... yeah
wtf was even on those cds
@Ohnana I used to burn them and ritualistically Inhale the fumes, so I could generate modern smoke signals, and communicate with my ancestors digitally.
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Now I use ram chips for that.
hue
Instead of blankets for my sweat lodge, we use an array of computers running Pentium 3 processors. Heats up the teepee faster and let's us hallucinate sooner, rather than later.
724$ for a timing belt kit on a 2005?
Eat my left nut.
15:52
@Simon Sounds like you need to buy a new car.
Ey :-)
Yup.
May I recommend a Toyota Kamikaze?
Might order an ebay kit, get it running and sell it.
pls no with your old soap box
@Simon How about a Mitsubishi Seppuku?
@SebTu hello my friend
15:56
@MarkBuffalo On which planet do you live you mong?
@Simon I live on Magrathea
googles this nurdy planet
@Simon Nerdovia
wadafuk is Hitchhiker
@Simon Y'know what we just said about using this as an insult? Please stop using that as an insult.
15:59
@Arperum To be fair, I'm not really insulted by it. He calls everyone a Mong. I think that means we're friends.
@Simon You're a Mong.
@MarkBuffalo That is exactly what it means.
interestingly, this shows what's wrong with the flag system on Chat.SE. In this exchange no offense was intended or received, yet a 3rd party could flag it, 'causing people who don't know the background to make a snap judgement...
OK, fuck this. I'm out.
@Simon THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND Golden Girls theme plays
God damn, he's really sensitive today.
16:01
@Arperum Relax bro
or we could not use words that cause 100 message long debates because that is boring and unfun
@Ohnana It sounds like any word could do this though, we have a ton of people who are entitled to their opinion in here.
@Ohnana so we need to avoid the 'D' word, the 'W' Word and the 'M' Word?
@Simon not really
hey @RоryMcCune you're a wanker
How am I supposed to entertain you people if I can't use any of my favorite words?
16:04
@RоryMcCune This is true
look, no debate
@Ohnana now now that could be one of those words that has negative connotations depending on the geography of the person in question
no outrage
@Simon Find new favorite words
I like 'Muppet' as an insult
16:04
@RоryMcCune it has negative connotations everywhere!
@RоryMcCune Your face is a muppet.
Yeah that works
"What a muppet"
Soon I won't be able to use the word "donut" because it could hurt bakeries.
@RоryMcCune mupping muppets
see not offensive
16:05
@Simon YOU MONSTER
or SmegHead
that's a good insult too
@Ohnana you're a complete smeghead
@RоryMcCune noooo i showered today
@RоryMcCune Think it's more reliant upon profession than geography.
in The Bridge, 18 secs ago, by Arperum
@Ohnana Can you tell those idiots in the other room that when I return I will flag the hell out of every usage of that specific word. I did leave now because I'm too mad to deal with it. I've read too much racist/homophobic/things that disciminate against a specific group. And I'm seriously worked up on the whole thing. And that's disregarding the whole "we just asked you not to do the thing, and you are doing the thing again".
nice work people
16:13
Fine, fine, fine. I'll try to avoid using those terms.
I'd like to mention that ever since the beginning of my chat days, I've been calling people "names" in a playful and it has never been a problem.
@Simon if i were you, i'd start nuking messages
if anyone validates those flags, you're going to get fcked
@Ohnana That's fine.
@RoryAlsop @AviD Ton of drama incoming, I believe.
@Ohnana as are you with that language... this is unfortunately the consequence of this kind of thing
@Ohnana you've been flagged how many times in the last two weeks
@RоryMcCune and like two mods got p'o'd because it wasn't offensive
Seriously, I've been calling everyone here something somewhat insulting (which never meant to be in any way) at least once and it has never been a problem.
What's different this morning exactly?
16:16
@Ohnana exactly offense is subjective
@Ohnana but anyone can flag
@Ohnana and it only takes a couple of people to agree for it to be a problem
@Ohnana and the agreers will probably not know the context
Is everyone getting depressed because soon it'll be winter and feel the need to start drama or what?
@Simon people are muppets
zomg pings
@RоryMcCune I really don't get it honestly.
@Ohnana Man, did I miss more fun?
16:17
@Iszi "fun" like root canals are fun
@Simon individual people have things which they take poorly, they then feel that they have the right to impose their standards on the area they find themselves in, rightly or wrongly.
@Iszi There's literally 0 fun here, it's really silly.
@Simon what's offensive to me may be entirely inoffensive to you or vice versa
@RоryMcCune I get that but nobody has ever made that comment before and for sure that's not the first time that I've done it.
@Iszi It starts here if you wanna read: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/26225403#26225403
@Simon sure that specific person didn't probably notice it until it happened to occur while they were present
16:19
Some people just need to grow an epidermis.
@Simon for example your use of the word "ween" causes @AviD to constantly edit you, other people use it with impunity... go figure
@RоryMcCune lulz, I don't mind it though.
It's ok to censor what I say IMO but don't go all bananas because of what I said for donuts sake.
None of what I ever said here was meant to be hurtful.
@Simon yeah I know which is why it's not a problem, but again an outsider might not clock that and come to the conclusion that @AviD was abusing his position
context is king
@RоryMcCune Mhm.
and without it moderation decisions are inevitably flawed
16:21
That is why I feel like a chat where we have the full control would be the best.
@RоryMcCune When isn't he abusing his position, with regards to @Simon?
@Simon We could do like the SF guys and move to Slack.
Bit of a dick move if you ask me, but meh.
@Ohnana I like how his issue is that I'm using terms that are insulting, which are not meant to be but yet he uses the term "idiots" and I'm damn sure that he means it.
So yeah, that's really hypocrite to me.
@Simon there's a difference
@Iszi I agree.
there's calling your friend a "soul brother" and then calling them the n-word
one is playful, the other is waaay too far
16:24
@Ohnana and yet people from that ethnicity use that term to each other all the time, again context matters...
Whatever, I don't really want to talk to him anymore.
Wait a sec... I always thought @Simon's "mong" was talking about Bullymongs.
@Iszi You know what the worst part is? I used the term before I knew what it really referred to.
@RоryMcCune even then using it pejoratively is fixin to get your ass beat
i have watched people argue over it, it has almost come to fisticuffs
@Ohnana of course, context matters again.. which is why "idiot" said with feeling and intent could be more harmful than a swear word said in jest
16:25
^
@Simon true, true
That's what I think too.
but it takes a lot more context for one than the other
Sometimes, it's fun to screw around with the pejorativity of certain words (yup, pretty sure I just made that one up), but a lot of times I just wish everything would just lose non-objective pejorativity altogether.
@Iszi me too
this is a big thing in the trans community, people will self-identify as "tranny" as a joke. others will weep salty tears of sadness if they so much as see that word
16:27
Anyway, whatever.
I'll be the nice boring Simon.
o lads u guys hurd about da security breach at le website?
vary vary bad
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Q: What are the various files for XXE injection testing?

avicoderI recently started to learn XXE injections and its exploitation, till now I understand XXE is about injecting a XML payload and create malformed word,excel sheets etc and send it to the server for xml parsing . what are other kind of files which I should consider doing xxe bug findings? I am lo...

Like, if a word's literal definition is offensive that's one thing. Anything else should be fair game.
good question, bad question?
@Ohnana it mis-understands what XXE is and also asks a non-sensical question as if you're white-box you don't need to blindly attempt various files, you just choose one you know to be present and ask for it :)
@RоryMcCune good action to take?
16:31
@Ohnana I'm never sure (which is likely why I'm not a mod) cleaning it up would change it, closing it would be an option or putting a comment asking for more info...
Y'know what strikes me all of a sudden? I don't think there's a single word that refers to Caucasians, which the same would take to be anywhere near offensive as non-Caucasians feel about the slang references for them.
hey @AviD @RoryAlsop what do you think?
Most pejorative thing I can think of in that context is "cracker". And I'm pretty sure nearly everyone will just give that a big ol' "meh".
@Iszi cracker, pasty, round-eye, gajin, white/foreign devil, "white girl"
@Iszi yeah I saw a bit about a TV debate in the US about "What is more offensive, 'cracker' or 'The 'n' word' ?" .. .. kind of obvious that the more offensive one is the one you can't say...
16:33
@RоryMcCune under FCC guidelines at least
^the answer is of course.. belgians!
@Iszi to be quite honest, in the US, just calling attention to the fact that someone is white in a debate is enough to get people going, so there's no real need for a zinger
@Ohnana Never heard "patsy" used to refer specifically to the white ethnic group - pejoratively or not. Anything with "devil" in it, by definition, is intentionally insulting.
@Iszi pasty.
Just finished my meeting, and I see everyone got offended by something here
16:34
typically used in conjunction with insulting someone's appearence
@Ohnana Oh, sorry. Dyslexic moment.
And seriously? Weak.
I dunno. Typically I encourage people to get thicker skin, but at the same time I don't want others feeling uncomfortable...
then there's all the words that insult white ethnicity, like irish people and german people
so those are a good drop-in replacement
"devil" is the "n word" in Chinese
@MarkBuffalo oh. that's good cultural context
16:36
@Ohnana White devil, black devil, red devil, foreign devil, Japanese devil
Etc
@MarkBuffalo Kinda like some people put "sand" in front of the n-word?
@Ohnana But nearly everyone uses those insults in china
@Iszi I never understood that one.
Hm. Strangely, that's just about the only variant of that word that I can think of.
And, seriously, to save typing hassle I'm half-tempted to just type the damn word whenever I need to refer to it.
@Iszi Exactly like that. But it's perfectly acceptable in china.
16:39
I mean, "the n-word" has a full four characters more than n-eye-double-guh-er, and requires a good bit more reaching around.
(I'm sure @AviD hates what I just did there.)
@Iszi I used to just call myself a foreign devil in China, and everyone laughed
Because they're secretly thinking that anyway
I saw a sad post on imgur about the pollution in China yesterday.
@Simon I lived it. 100 ft away, couldn't see anything. The buildings in front of me completely obscured
Yeah there are pictures of the smog.
Yellow dust everywhere, but since it wasn't Beijing, nobody cared. Beijing is nothing compared to what can go on
And even worse, my wife was pregnant at that time. I made her stay indoors to avoid it.
And kids were outside playing Lung Cancer Basketball :/
Even though the smog was everywhere, they just played outside, hurting themselves 20+ years down the road
@Simon Wow, those pictures...
16:43
@MarkBuffalo How a place like that could produce a specimen such as Yao Ming is beyond me.
@Simon Unregulated capitalism. That's exactly what's going on in those pictures. The free market is never gonna sort those out.
@Iszi His dad is 6'10", mom 6'8"
I'm glad that we're slightly more clever about pollution here but we still have a long way to go.
I think.
@MarkBuffalo Yeah, so then the question becomes how'd they manage to come about in that environment.
@Iszi modern healthcare
16:45
@Iszi Also, the Chinese government made sure he had plenty of nutrition, and "medicine." But this all happened after Yao Ming grew up.
China's pollution is relatively recent.
@MarkBuffalo Yeah, according to Wiki he was already 5'5" by 9 years old, and doctors then said he was on track to end up at 7'3".
@Ohnana SHA-1
-.-
@Simon T_T
16:46
@Ohnana This is why I deleted my LinkedIn account a while ago
@Iszi My son is nearly 3 feet tall at 9 months. :x
He seems lot bigger than me.
@MarkBuffalo Dude, you got problems. I mean, even @Simon is probably bigger than you then.
@Iszi Haha. Bigger than I was at that age. :p too lazy to type right on the phone...
@Simon at least i used a keepass password and had 2 factor
@Ohnana What is two factor to you?
@Ohnana I'm not using 2 factor but I wouldn't mind much if someone would fuck up my linkedin.
16:50
@MarkBuffalo something i know + something i have
know = password, have = phone text message/authenticator in linkedin's case
THIS IS WHY I HATE LINKED IN SOOOO MUUCCCCCH
@Ohnana Ohnana I wrote a little program to break two factor authentication
...
@Ohnana Authenticator / text message / whatever. You still have to type it in.
@MarkBuffalo so a keylogger
What mine does is disconnect you from the internet after typing auth details
And corrupts your tcp cache temporarily until I can log in and take all your stuff :(
Ipconfig release / renew won't help
But I haven't used it against anyone but myself. I wrote it just because.
16:53
Don't you have like a window of a minute or so to use the auth token?
@MarkBuffalo that is so contrived i love it
(At least that's how it works with Google Auth IIRC)
@Simon yep
@Simon for text messages it's like 5 minutes for lag
@Ohnana That sucks.
16:54
@Simon it may be less, but yeah his thing could work theoretically
For wow authenticate, it's 30 seconds. It still disables your button clicking and sends me thingies over the internet
@MarkBuffalo Yeah the Blizzard auth app seems to be done right.
Enter button disabled when wow is open. Clicking disabled within the login button coordinates too
Based on your resolution, so it will never not work lol
@Simon Shame Blizzard's got that down but how many banks don't?
@Iszi No kidding.
16:55
@MarkBuffalo rude
Keylogger defeats two factor authentication when done right, but you have to account for a lot of things.
@Ohnana Yup, but I'm not a black hat. 🎩
@MarkBuffalo Stop rolling greed.
Damn it, I meant need.
@Simon that doesn't make any sense either
@Ohnana It does if you've played WoW.
Wait until he comes back from staring at his screen and he'll probably say that he liked it.
pfft lol
16:59
@Simon that doesn't make any sense

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