The DMZ

AviD

14:00

@Simon yeah, they want to build something secure in php, lol

> "Doing proper research, I found that this is a secure way "

Simon

pls ovid, would you consider md5ing the user's password with a salt a good practice to create a session ID?

kalina

OH MY GOD I CAN EDIT WITHOUT APPROVAL PROCESS

now really no power in the 'verse can stop me

I'M GOING TO EDIT EVVVVVVVEEEEERRRRRRYTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII‌IIIIINNNNGGGG

actually I'm not, just expended all of my care typing out everything

I'm bored already

Simon

Please step away from the keyboard. There are so many things wrong with this answer, if it was a dress I would not let my daughters walk out of the house wearing it. I will commend you on succeeding in a particularly high density of bugs/words, but please I think you need to start your "proper research" over again, this time on sites that have a clue about security. — AviD ♦ 11 secs ago

2

AviD

@Simon your comment is too harsh

Simon

GOD DAMN OVID LOL

AviD

14:03

;-)

Simon

MINE?!?!?

AviD

hehehe

@Simon too much?

yeah, if I saw it I would probably have to delete it for being not "be nice".

Simon

Maybe a bit.

I really want the guy to start arguing and then linking some shady article that states that what he's doing is a good practice.

kalina

@Simon AND NO JEGGINGS

Mark Hulkalo

Put the fucking lotion in the basket

kalina

14:06

I am highly offended that you quoted a rapist

fictional or not

Rory Alsop

@kalina is right. Nothing to do with physical attractiveness. Just my kinks :-)

Simon

HE'S ARGUING

IT HAS BEGUN LADS

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina Who quoted a rapist?

Rory Alsop

sorry I had to step out for half an hour

kalina

oh no he peels skin off his dead female victims does he

AviD

14:07

@Simon okaaaay I changed my comment. Still think my first was better.

kalina

@RoryAlsop and they thought I was all crazy

Simon

@AviD Of course it was better.

Mark Hulkalo

I haven't seen that movie... Just clips of it. I don't even know the name of the movie. So I didn't know. Sorry

AviD

@kalina whaaa...?? I didnt!

kalina

@AviD I feel sorry for your daughters, I'm on my way to bring them some proper clothes

@MarkHulkalo Silence of the Lambs?

AviD

14:08

@kalina I didn't

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina Never seen it

AviD

well, that is - I knew you are crazy, but I agreed with you

Xander

@kalina whatchoo talkin bout willis?

AviD

@kalina pffft

kalina

@MarkHulkalo well your quote is from an individual who tortures women and then skins them

if you find that acceptable behavior then feel free to keep quoting it

AviD

14:09

@kalina there is a girl in the class I teach that always wears jeggings. I find it inappropriate for me to be in the same room.

I feel like I should be arrested just for being there.

Jonathan Musso

Dear Jonathan,

We are happy to inform you that you have reserved a seat for the Offensive Security Penetration Testing with Kali Linux (PWK) online course starting on Sat, 09 Jan 2016, 19:00 (America/Toronto).

AviD

@kalina was it just women?

@Simon I am going to abuse my privilege and pin this.

kalina

@AviD ye... er... CRC error reading that sector

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina Definitely not. I saw a clip of him saying that, with the title, "MRW when my wife has me in Bath and Body Works for 6 hours on Black Friday."

And I could immediately relate, except with yarn.

Simon

OVID

HE'S ARGUING AGAIN

Mark Hulkalo

14:11

@JonathanMusso Nice!

kalina

bored now

bored

boreed

unbore me

Mark Hulkalo

@AviD Erm, how old are those girls?

kalina

@MarkHulkalo I avoided that question, let's avoid that question

Simon

@JonathanMusso Have fun!

kalina

avoiding that question seems like a good idea

Jonathan Musso

14:12

Thanks @MarkHulkalo & @Simon

Mark Hulkalo

Never heard of jeggins. I'm gonna google it

Oh, so just normal pants. If you get overly excited at jeggins, you must nut in about 15 seconds when you see what's underneath them.

AviD

@MarkHulkalo 11th grade.

kalina

@MarkHulkalo I expect many people in here would

AviD

@MarkHulkalo huh? no, jeggings are not normal pants, they're leggings.

kalina

they're jean leggings

ffs

AviD

14:15

actually the one on my class probably wears leggings, not jeggings

kalina

and absolutely NOOOOO JEEEEGGINGSSSSSSSSSSSSSA

you're such a fucking fogey

AviD

@MarkHulkalo and I dont get excited, I just find it inappropriate for young ladies to walk around in their underwear.

dunno, maybe I'm just a fogey.

kalina

@AviD you just said she was wearing leggings

now you're saying she's walking around in her underwear

Arperum

@AviD That's not an age.

kalina

those two options are mutually exclusive and can't both occur at the same time

AviD

14:17

@kalina ah, see, because I am a fogey I insist leggings ARE underwear.

Simon

@AviD OVID YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

Mark Hulkalo

@AviD I still wouldn't let my daughter wear those.

kalina

well they're not and you're wrong

Simon

HIS SCHEME PROTECTS BRUTEFORCE

AviD

as in, you are supposed to WEAR them UNDER your regular clothes.

kalina

14:17

nope

AviD

@MarkHulkalo exactly

Mark Hulkalo

Okay, so we both agree they are inappropriate

kalina

but you're both wrong

Mark Hulkalo

But I hardly find them exciting.

AviD

> I make the salt different for each user

@MarkHulkalo I never said anything about exciting. I said inappropriate.

Simon

14:18

How on earth does he not store the salt in the DB then?

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina Please put on this Burka, you're upsetting the males of this room.

Simon

He hard codes an array in his code?

AviD

@MarkHulkalo pffft.

Mark Hulkalo

@AviD You said you felt like you should be arrested

AviD

SO CLOSE YOUR DAMN EYES

Mark Hulkalo

14:19

That indicates a possibility of excitement

AviD

@MarkHulkalo ... for being in the room, while she is in her underwear

kalina

@MarkHulkalo I'm so close to flagging

Mark Hulkalo

Poor choice of words, @AviD

@kalina :(

AviD

@MarkHulkalo how so?

kalina

sorry I didn't find your sexism funny

Simon

14:20

OVID I REMOVED MY COMMENT

AviD

@kalina I think he was sarcastic

Simon

I'M MAKING THIS AMBIGUOUS

HEEEEELP

kalina

irrelevant

Simon

waves the white flag

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina I was mocking people who demand you cover up 1000%, but ok

kalina

14:21

I WANT TO START FIRES, YOU PROVIDED A TINY SPARK

let the fires begin

Mark Hulkalo

Here's a big one

2

Get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

...with rat poison.

kalina

What? Make it yourself!

AviD

@MarkHulkalo this youtube.com/watch?v=FLZ8L6SZmaA

Simon

pls nsfw

kalina

zomg nsfw

ZOMG

OHHH MY GOOOOOOOOOOSH

AviD

14:23

@Simon huh, didnt notice the thumbnail...

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah my manager who is looking over my shoulder and watching me type on my phone is wondering why I'm looking at breasticles on the company time.

Thanks a lot, @AviD

Simon

Yeah, contrary to staring at your screen, which is much more productive.

AviD

hehehe

Ohnana

ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-15-342-01

Mark Hulkalo

@Ohnana .gov, checked. Oh ho ho ho ho ho. NSA

AviD

14:25

thanks a lot @kalina, now I'm watching the whole series.

I had stuff to do today....

Ohnana

@MarkHulkalo oh my god click the fucking link you paranoid fucker

Mark Hulkalo

@Ohnana Nope, my tinfoil hat is tingling. Maybe it's because I haven't taken it off in 2 years, and it's getting itchy.

@Ohnana WTF. That's the dumbest security flaw ever. Dangerous, too.

Simon

@Ohnana looooooooooool

Ohnana

9.8/10 NIST exploit on a fucking wind turbine

and they can't patch it remotely

Simon

choo choo wind turbine

chooooo choooooo

Mark Hulkalo

14:31

You'd be surprised. Some power plants allow you to blow them up if you manage to invoke the right stuff.

The plants aren't regulated for safety. Thanks republicans. So there's no incentive for them to fix most security flaws.

Meanwhile rogue countries have fun mucking around on critical infrastructure with nobody to really stop them. :]

Isn't apathy grand?

kalina

indifference is as bad as acceptance

Simon

@AviD It is literally useless to try to tell the guy that he's wrong.

I hate when people are fucking retarded like this.

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina Agreed. I wish more people would take security seriously.

kalina

that statement applies to everything

Jonathan Musso

fuck I've had just about enough of phil collins

Simon

14:45

@MarkHulkalo This is also what your mom said last night, you guys have so much in common.

kalina

it's just another day for you and me in paradise

@JonathanMusso oh, think twice

Simon

pls stop I've already said that I'm practically married

Jonathan Musso

@kalina :D

Mark Hulkalo

@Simon You have bad taste.

Simon

wat

Mark Hulkalo

14:49

Your donut must be on par, or worse.

Rоry McCune

@MarkHulkalo than whom?

Simon

His mom I assume.

He's a mom hater.

Jonathan Musso

shag interior....hmm

kalina

inside is one of the best places for shag

Simon

lulz

Mark Hulkalo

14:51

@RоryMcCune He made an implied remark about my mom, and I noted he'd have to have very bad taste to be with her. Then I remembered that people usually have a specific type. :p

Simon

Then he attempted to insult my donut, which will be remembered until my death.

Mark Hulkalo

So it got me thinking, his girlfriend must be just as bad looking, behaved, etc.

And just as heavy

kalina

@Simon well, until she breaks up with you

Simon

@kalina Or that.

Rоry McCune

@MarkHulkalo I actually don't think that remark was targeted at your mom.

Simon

14:53

I should be doing what dumb guys do: hurry the fuck up to get her a ring to attempt to stop her from running away.

Rоry McCune

@Simon well if you like it you should've put a ring on it

so I'm given to understand by popular music

Simon

lulz

Mark Hulkalo

@Simon if you love her and want to have babies with her, then put a ring on it. Eventually, women who want that will leave if you don't give it to them.

Simon

I don't want kids.

Mark Hulkalo

Nothing wrong with marriage, unless you get stuck with the wrong person.

@Simon Does she?

Ohnana

14:55

@Simon /high five

Simon

And you see that's the issue. If she specifically wants a ring, that's bad.

@MarkHulkalo Hell no.

Mark Hulkalo

Sounds like neither if you know what you're doing

kalina

@Simon's mom is so large she has her own gravity

Simon

And we've been talking about this. If we get married, we're not doing a traditional wedding, we'll use the money to travel the world instead.

@MarkHulkalo Are you serious right now?

Not wanting kids means that we don't know what we're doing?

kalina

who would want to bring kids into this world

Simon

14:57

^

Ohnana

@MarkHulkalo they want to get married someday and have 0 kids. sounds like they know what they want

Simon

Not wanting kids is knowing much more what you're doing than wanting them, imo.

Rоry McCune

@Simon good plan, that spend $20k on a wedding thing is nuts

Mark Hulkalo

@Simon My wife and I did that. No traditional wedding. We walked right into court and got the certificate

Then we travelled all over several countries.

Simon

@RоryMcCune Yup. I'd rather much more spend it on getting to know other cultures.

Mark Hulkalo

14:58

Nearly every US state, nearly every Chinese province. Dubai, etc

Simon

And enjoy music shows all around the world, of course.

Mark Hulkalo

@Ohnana I'm just bitter that Americans arent breeding enough and will soon be extinct :(

Ohnana

@MarkHulkalo ...

Simon

looooooooooool

Ohnana

humans are not going to go extinct

Mark Hulkalo

14:59

Yeah, it's a good idea. Travel everywhere. We settled down with kids after though.

Ohnana

chill

Jonathan Musso

Kayne West greatest rock artist of all time at Glastonbury

Mark Hulkalo

@Ohnana This is the beginning of the end of American exceptionalism.

Ohnana

@MarkHulkalo good, it needs to fucking die

Mark Hulkalo

We already have to import most of our skilled work force in IT, etc.

:[

Ohnana

15:00

exceptional is in the rearview mirror of our country. we haven't been exceptional for a while

and we're just deluding ourselves now. we need an attitude similar to germany or india right now

Mark Hulkalo

True, actually. And I don't like that. I love my country and would like to see us remain #1 forever.

But obviously this country is shitting the bed five ways sideways backwards and frontwards.

Arperum

15:12

@MarkHulkalo Wait? to get kids you need to be married or something? Half of my nieces is not married, but does have kids (and they are not single parents, there is a thing like "living together") also: "put a ring on it" Never knew a woman was to be described with it. I'm pretty sure woman are not objects.

Ohnana

@Arperum on it (the hand)

the music video shows the artist pointing to her hand at that line

Simon

@Arperum Well, it highly depends. If you want to piss off @kalina (kalinuh), you do have to say that women are objects.

Arperum

@Ohnana Ah check, that way. I have no clue what video we are talking about.

Ohnana

@Arperum it's a popular song in the USA

Arperum

@Simon Even if I wanted to do that (I don't), I would find something that is not insulting to half the world populace, but only insults her.

kalina

15:15

@Arperum beyonce - single ladies

Simon

ALL DA SINGLE LADIES

WOOT WOOT

Mark Hulkalo

@Arperum Erm... Have fun with hit and run single family households.

Simon

I've never listened to the whole song, I'll go do that to make myself even more idiotic.

Arperum

@kalina I know that name! I did not know if she was a singer or an actress though. My knowledge of pop culture is terrible.

Mark Hulkalo

And I never mentioned women being objects. That wasn't my intent.

Simon

15:16

440M views

Fucking kill me.

Rоry McCune

Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It) - Beyonce

►

^This version is much better

Simon

I don't know if I want to dare to click it.

He's scary.

Rоry McCune

@Simon s/he/she/

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo Wat? 1) marriage doesn't stop people from leaving. At All. 2)the objectification was a mistake.

Simon

wot

ô_ô

@MarkHulkalo WHAT? DID YOU REALLY IMPLY THAT MARRIAGE IS TO FORCE PEOPLE TO STAY TOGETHER?

Arperum

15:18

Marriage has nothing to be with being a single parent or not.

Rоry McCune

@Simon the person in the thumbnail is Nataly Dawn

Simon

o

Rоry McCune

@Simon trust me pomplamoose is good music

Simon

Fine I clicked on it.

She sings better than Beyonce.

Arperum

The only people with kids that did actually split up in my family is someone that was actually married.

Rory Alsop

15:19

i concur - Pomplamooooooooose are superb

Simon

I really gotta go back to my Techno though.

Mark Hulkalo

No, but there's a smaller incentive to stay together when you're not married. No commitments. Hell, 90% of my tribe consists of single parent households. Kids deserve a better environment. You young whippersnappers and your liberal fantasies.

Simon

This will drive insane within the next 15 minutes if I keep listening to da pop

Arperum

@Simon It looks like that, and that implication has lowered my view of him as a human being. Until he proves me that I was mistaken.

@MarkHulkalo Nope.

Simon

@MarkHulkalo wtf

Mark Hulkalo

15:20

@Arperum Give it time. Call me old fashioned, but I don't agree with you.

Simon

@kalina Please do something.

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo This implies that the only way to love someone is by marrying said person. And that's fucking bullshit.

Ohnana

@MarkHulkalo so what's the difference between having a lease and a kid and a marriage, a lease, and a kid

Mark Hulkalo

No, that isn't what I'm saying.

kalina

marriage is a method of a man oppressing a woman by forcing her to use his surname

Arperum

15:21

@MarkHulkalo That's how it looks anyway.

Mark Hulkalo

Damn you virginite neckbeards twisting my words.

Simon

Obviously, when you're wearing a ring, it reminds you that you love the person.

Don't listen to your feelings, just check your ring out.

It will tell you that you love the person!

Arperum

@Simon If I ever get married I'm not wearing a ring.

Rоry McCune

@Simon glad to see you've been listening to Debeers adverts enough

Arperum

My parents are married (for the law anyway, no churches involved) and there are no nonsense rings.

Mark Hulkalo

15:22

Alright I'm going back to. My #fogeyTraditions

Simon

@kalina That's an old tradition I think.

Ohnana

when my partner and i had just started dating, the only jewelry i wore was rings... so he got one as a souvenir (and freaked his parents out) lol

Simon

Here people never do this and it would actually be weird if you did.

kalina

I know

Mark Hulkalo

BTW, we don't have rings. Neither of us. We didn't get married in a church either. I'm using it as a figure of speech. But I get it.

Arperum

15:23

@MarkHulkalo OK, that part we agree on.

Mark Hulkalo

But I do believe in marriage and lifelong commitment. Unless someone cheats. Then you climb a clock tower with an uzi and end it all.

Arperum

I don't agree with the part where you have to marry to stay together. (Since you are saying that when you don't, you don't stay together)

Rory Alsop

Until I went to university, I didn't know anyone who was from a family that didn't have two married parents. Except one, but that's because his dad died. It was a surprise to me that many people had had multiple marriages, or none, or step-siblings etc

Mark Hulkalo

(clock tower thing is a joke, just FYI)

kalina

uzi is poor at the sort of range you'd experience when gunning from atop a clock tower

need something with a longer barrel for accuracy

Mark Hulkalo

15:25

@kalina Who said anything about gunning atop a clock tower.

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo marriage and life long commitments are two different things.

Mark Hulkalo

@Arperum I know, but I believe in both.

kalina

well you said uzi, uzi is not really a shoot yourself in the head kinda gun

why bother with something that rapid fire when you're not going to miss

Simon

pls, don't 50% of married couples divorce?

kalina

all marriage does is make it more expensive to break up

Rory Alsop

15:25

I think the numbers are up that way, yeah

makes you wonder if people are marrying for the wrong reasons...

Simon

Of course they are.

Mark Hulkalo

That's because people are marrying for the wrong reasons.

Simon

One of my donut's "friend" accepted her boyfriend's ring last year and she actually cheated on him a few times (he doesn't know).

Arperum

@kalina there are also some financial advantages/disadvantages to being married compared to just living together (with official papers about the living together part)

Mark Hulkalo

Or people can't commit

Simon

15:27

That's just lovely to witness.

Mark Hulkalo

@Simon It's immoral to keep that a secret.

:[

Rory Alsop

in the UK, financial advantages to being married are now only nominally up on living together status

as I understand it

Simon

Same here I believe.

Mark Hulkalo

Where I grew up, almost all households, including my own, we're single parent homes.

Ohnana

in the USA it's freaking worth its weight in gold

Mark Hulkalo

15:29

All the guys hit and run. Nobody wanted to get married. From my perspective, that mentality is cancerous to kids

@Ohnana Indeed. My tax return will be between 25k and 35k this year.

Need to wait for the w2 from former job to verify.

Arperum

All this discussion about marriage made me suddenly aware that i have not a single clue about the last name of my sisters daughter...

Simon

Probably the dude's last name.

Arperum

I don't know if it's her last name, or his, or both, and in the last two cases I don't even know his last name...

Simon

lulz

Arperum

@Simon Belgium has a recent law where you can now pick between the three options described above.

Either way, the kid has a different last name than me.

Simon

15:33

Same here but the most common one is the guy's last name.

Arperum

(my sister has been a foster child that is officially been adopted last year, but with keeping her own last name)

kalina

OPPRESSION

the woman gives birth, the guy gets to apply his name

that's like Q&A testers really

somebody else does all the work

Q&A go YEP slaps sticker on it

Arperum

@Simon Over here it depends on the region IIRC, The dutch speaking part was different than the french speaking part.

Simon

A little cultural clash.

kalina

well yes, one speaks Dutch, the other speaks French

Arperum

15:34

@Simon One of many.

Ohnana

@kalina yep, it's so oppressive to do something that's not mandatory in many western countries

/stick poking

kalina

rar rar rar

Arperum

The cultural and political differences between the two regions is also the reason why we hold the worldrecord for "time without a federal government"

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina My wife didn't change her name. Didn't care. Ain't nobody got time for that. Kids have her surname in Chinese, mine in English.

Arperum

(We still had like 6 other governments at that time, so noone really cared)

Simon

15:36

OH YOU HAVE AN EX-WIFE?

FUCKING PRICK

I read that as ex-wife.

I need a break brb.

kalina

is that a euphemism

in The Bridge, 15 secs ago, by Arperum

I tend to play partly softcore together with firends who cannot be convinced to play hardcore.

RoraΖ

@MarkHulkalo Is that hiphenated then?

kalina

nuff said really

Arperum

@kalina I'm confused how this is relevant to the discussion in here?

RoraΖ

@Arperum She does it for the stars

Simon

15:51

Everything is relevant in here.

Especially if it's about softcore and hardcore.

Are you trying to declare a variable in PHP?

Arperum

I literally just dropped a belt on my keyboard...

Simon

Hahaha.

Romain Clair

Hello

Should i flag a question that if probably in the topic but that in my opinion could get better answers in another topic ? what's the use on information security ?

Simon

Which one?

Romain Clair

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Q: How can I check whether file modified time has been spoofed on ext4?

On Debian based system (Ubuntu 14.04.3 server specifically), using ext4 filesystem. How would I discover if files have been changed, but the modified times have been made to look like the files have not been tampered with? I'm most interested in a way to check whether this has already happened,...

I think it's a question suited for ext4 filesystem and linux kernel hackers

Simon

15:59

Yes, I feel like it would be a better fit for Linux.SE or Ubuntu.SE too.

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