oh good the star wall is mostly back to normal

@TildalWave #IRL_Fogey

Crap. I just woke up. Slept almost all day long... and there's work tomorrow. The only reason I'm awake is because I had a prophetic dream about my program, and now I must implement the features.

@RоryMcCune motherboard.vice.com/read/…

But the attackers used unencrypted SMS...?

@MarkHulkalo well, if goal of terrorists was to limit everyone's freedom, then govt is helping them win it

@TildalWave Sure seems like it.

Know what's really a-fracking-nnoying? Hearing about a death in the family - local family - months after the fact, with the people telling you about it not able to nail down when it happened (other than "a few months ago"), and you can't even find an obituary or other death record online. It's not like he was a "Smith" either.

> apparently difficult to track individuals who use public wi-fi networks

they're doing it wrong

Not to mention that a placated, fearful society is easier to terrorize.

@Iszi oww man yup I can see how that totally sucks ... anyone close to you?

@MarkHulkalo yeah but govt can then just prohibit everything, we're cattle anyway, right?

chocolate cotton candy

@TildalWave That kind of speech won't be tolerated, citizen.

@TildalWave Saw them at least a few times a year growing up, at the usual big family gatherings and such. Regrettably haven't kept much in touch during my adult life. In the category of "family members old enough that death is unsurprising" but still not something you expect to find about this late - especially when you could've easily attended the funeral (and most likely not been unwelcome) if you'd known.

I went as an NSA Agent for halloween, and this old guy was really pissed off. He wouldn't give me any candy. I had to argue with him for like 3 minutes in order to steal his candy. :|

@MarkHulkalo you're right

"Get the hell out of here! You're a grown-ass man!", "But I want candy." "I don't care, get out of here.", "Citizen, you will give me Candy, or I'll wiretap your home.", "Fine, take this candy and get the <expletive> out of my house!"

@Iszi certainly odd that nobody bothered to mention that

> It [TOR] is used by journalists, whistleblowers and people who just want to protect their privacy online, as well as terrorists, pedophiles, and cybercriminals.

@TildalWave Well, the one person who you'd expect should've been the first to tell me hasn't really been keeping in great contact for awhile. But there's others who could have called to check in - some of whom I've spoken to a few times between "a few months ago" and now. Now I'm just trying to sort out details - call people who I know were at the funeral and get what info they have, etc. - so that I can fill in certain others who also might have been affected by the same point of failure.

Trying hard to not "blame" everyone for not telling me. There's really only a few people I would feel should have been accountable for it, and if the point of failure was at the one I think it was then it's not likely the rest know either.

@Iszi heh, typically when shit like that happens tho, mental processes are somewhat shut down.

I had to deal with multiple deaths in the family last year and there were a few communication breakdowns when my aunt tried to contact my dad over the death of my granma.

(She called my cousin who called my brother, who lives elsewhere, who came to our apartment at 3am to let us know)

since we didn't hear the phone ring, and nearly all of us turn off, or silence our phones at night.

@JourneymanGeek Of course. For example, I don't blame the deceased's spouse. And I really don't blame the people who told me either - they've got other life issues severely impacting their ability to keep their stuff in line to begin with. But I know who was at the funeral, and I'm sure at least some of them would have been helping spread notifications - if not actually assigned to be responsible for that.

The point of failure either lies with the individual I'm thinking of not contacting me, or with the fact that the root sources of information didn't want to contact that person and also didn't care to reach out to other parties who would have been affected by that lack of contact.

Times like this when I wonder when/why my family relations got so complicated and just plain effed up.

@Iszi we ended up getting a whatsapp group for stuff like that

works ok, other than there's so much noise I don't actually read it

@JourneymanGeek It's not that it's so hard to keep in touch with people. It's that there's certain key points in the tree that have just royally screwed up their relations with the rest of it. And that seems to be causing collateral damage via comm. breakdowns when crap like this happens. Need to establish workaround protocols.

@Iszi hence we crowdsourced it ;p

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. Unfortunately the geriatrics in the family really haven't caught up with the tech world. Some don't even have - and never have had - cable TV, Internet, or general-use cell phones.

And I think the same applies to some of the "younger" elders as well.

@Iszi wierdly the usual folk who hate tech seem to have adapted well....

my granma is on it

Looks like I'm searching for some sort of death record in Florida from about 3-5 months ago. Already tried "top 10 search result" type sites. Any suggestions?

@JourneymanGeek I'm sorry, bro. :/

@MarkHulkalo 2015 was shit.

That said, hopefully 2016 will be better :)

I don't really have any family, other than my wife and kids'

Other than that, just a few folks, really.

@JourneymanGeek Hope your 2016 is perfect

And beyond!

@MarkHulkalo starting with a job XD

You need a jorb?

Can you be in murica?

@JourneymanGeek If you need jorb, and can be in muricaland (H1Bs available), and know a thing or two about programming (Java/C# preferred), let me know... I'll see what I can do.

@MarkHulkalo I'm not a coder. Been trying to learn but its totally not my thing.

Moving is an option I suppose, but most of my efforts are local, elderlyish parents + dog

Mostly looking at tech supportish things, for now.

'morning

Can someone explain me why my school wants to first teach me PHP for 2 years, and then move over to C#, and examinate me in C#

well, the exams will be in C#, and we need to make a website, using C#

wat

Mornin' All

@Lighty that'll be because they're juxtaposing the logicality and predictability of programming with the irrationality of human behaviour :)

even that makes little sense ;(

@MarkHulkalo yep, it makes no sense to me

they are telling me, about one and a half week before my exam: "Oh, by the way, we talked, and we are going to examinate C# Webapps!"

@Lighty that seems ridiculous if the course has been PHP, it's not like the two are that similar...

@RоryMcCune I have never thought I'd ever say this, but PHP gives me far less cancer than C# with some kind of ASP.NET mumbo jumbo

@Lighty PHP is lower overhead for sure than ASP.NET, but ASP.NET is likely better for apps written or maintained by teams as the extra formality helps to provide a common structure to the app.

also improves security (in most cases) :)

Someone explained that one to me before, and I can understand, as it centralizes business Apps and Intranet environments

but not for a flat page "list user" "add user" "modify user" and "delete user" xd

@CodesInChaos lol, nice

@Lighty WebForms is silly. WebAPI/MVC are okay.

But even the latter aren't exactly well designed.

@ThomasPornin jeez, man, you think I was drunk dialing you in the middle of the night?? I dont even have your number!

That's a crazy accusation, even from a bear ;-)

@AviD yeah but the bear's almost always right, so balance of probabilities, it was you

@RоryMcCune I should check my call logs.

@RоryMcCune also lowers illogicality, or WTF/M.

@kalina heh

'sup ma homies!

I become very ghetto when I'm stressed

That OSCP email is taking too long to arrive

@Adi yeah they don't always strike me as the most organized bunch...

In all fairness, it says 3 business days and it hasn't been 1 business day yet

Still.. I'm on the edge

yeah I know the feeling. CREST takes about 2-3 days to come back and it's a stressful wait

hard to be sure you've passed...

which reminds me... only 6 weeks to my CREST re-take!

How's the prep going?

@Adi not as well as it should. I somewhat foolishly put in a presentation for our internal tech conference in the first week of Jan, so have been doing that. With that said I have time over x-mas and also the week off before my exam

which should be plenty of time to prep :)

I'm being very scandanavian this week and getting Winter tyres fitted

hopefully I don't see any snow this year

or temperatures below 10 degrees c

or too much rain

or queues in airports when I'm rushing

@kalina I would've thought the bit your in at least gets chilly even if it doesn't see snow...

or anything else on my list of things I don't like

@RоryMcCune "you're"

@kalina yeah I always seem to have problems typing that, I think it's 'cause I mentally say the word, and they all sound the same

so I tend to type the wrong one

what's your definition of chilly?

peculiarity of how my mind works

my definition of chilly is <15 degrees with any kind of wind

@kalina well I was going by yours and thinking that that area gets temperatures sub 10, so unless you migrate for the winter, you're likely to be cold...

@RоryMcCune not really, should it be "you are"? Yes? Then you're.

you don't know where I live

@kalina oh I know grammatically what the reasons are but phonetically they're similar

@kalina well approximate region

@RоryMcCune their*

@RоryMcCune there*

weather tends to be similar across larg'ish areas

@kalina I know but they're not all that different when I say them

I wouldn't even know a Scottish accent enough to mock you right now

@kalina :op well I wouldn't know a northern french one well enough to mock you either so there we go

lol northern french

you should be aware that I'm cheating on you all

I'm also in the bridge

filthy human

@kalina eww that wretched hive of scum and villany

I said the bridge, not the c++ lounge

srsface

@kalina and I didn't swear when I described it, so it couldn't have been the lounge!

I'm bored of today already

@kalina yikes, early to be bored

I mean I know it's monday

but still

you could go play horizons :)

day of week isn't really relevant

nah I cba with elite

but the planetary stuff looks cool

upon getting my triple monitor setup running with it I concluded I needed to spend more money to achieve the level of immersion required for me to find it fun for the long term

and playing it short term would largely be a waste of time

and well, I've already spent too much money on elite

@kalina I'm waiting for VR Elite

that's going to be frickin' awesome

I figured I'd build a ship cockpit

with proper flight controllers etc

but I'd only use them for one game so that's a waste

and I don't flight sim so that wouldn't be a secondary use

@kalina I've seen a dude who has one of those with two projectors

looks cool

well because I have a proper monitor stand to position my monitors in a proper surround arrangement I get a decent "view"

but then I'm using a gamepad for actually playing

and that ruins it

@kalina yeah you need HOTAS stuff

if I start buying flight controllers for Elite that means I start buying steering wheels for Dirt Rally and I start buying track IR for head movement tracking and I start buying surround sound speaker sets and then spending time calibrating them so they're perfect and then bla bla bla bla bla

no.

my major problem at the moment is completely suddenly over the last few weeks I've had an OVERWHELMING CRAVING to resign up for wow

@kalina congratulations, that will probably be the dumbest thing I see today. Possibly even all week.

Rather early in the week for that...

@Adi how did the exam go?

@kalina I've avoided that because of the likely consequences

@AviD I highly doubt that, you look at college humor

@kalina even so

@AviD Got root/SYSTEM on all 5 machines.

Sans the report, I had 100/100 points

@RоryMcCune it's spelled HATEOAS, and it has nothing to do with games...

@Adi awesome! so where are your doubts coming from?

sounds like you aced it...

@AviD or not en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOTAS

@RоryMcCune no you mean en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HATEOAS

mine is longer, so it's clearly better

@AviD no actually when talking about joystick setups for E:D , I don't ;op

@AviD You know how it is. Until you get the confirmation, you still have doubts

ah I wasnt talking about joysticks.

@AviD but I was

The interesting part is OffSec's new approach with the exams

I'm tempted to dig up that ars technica article where they link super expensive, hand made pedals ;p

It was extremely different from my first attempt

@Adi yeah, true... even though you "know", you dont know know until you know.

@Adi ahh what had they changed?

Indeed

@RоryMcCune I guess you'll have to take the exam and see for yourself :D

@Adi I was meaning at a high-level rather than "spoilers"

@RоryMcCune well that's just it, even if I joined a 4 day semi-hardcore raiding guild, they'd raid wed/thur/sun/mon and it wouldn't interact with my scheduled commitments at all

but it means my other work would suffer greatly

@AviD joy...sticks...

STICKS THAT PROVIDE JOY

Man.. Finland is a small, sad, sad country.

Some Finnish-Iranian journalist was invited to the Independence Day gala (annual celebration with the president and important people

Both notions are freaking ridiculous!

I mean.. how irrelevant a country has to be for its people to think that inviting a non-100%-Finn to a public event is a big deal

whether negative or positive

both views are racist

positive discrimination is still discrimination

I personally don't think it's racist

I think it's just stupid

It's almost like all of Finland is a small small village somewhere out in nowhere

erm, I thought Finland was a small collection of villages out in the middle of nowhere?

That's exactly how it is

no, I mean literally

@Adi better for it, rather than ex-imperial powers who still haven't realised the "ex" part of that appellation

sockpuppet.org/issue-79-file-0xb-foxport-hht-hacking.txt.html <-- interesting intro to a hacking challenge and assembly programming stuff

ahh rhere it is

arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/…

@Adi Wait. Journalists need to be invited?

I thought, much like cockroaches and rats, they went were they pleased. or was that diplomats...

@RоryMcCune that star fighter thingy?

@CodesInChaos yarr

@JourneymanGeek Ah, yeah. I'm not connected with our tech team, and from what I see, they're pretty full. :<

@RоryMcCune Control.

@RоryMcCune Pretty sick that there are people waiting to use a tragedy to push anti-freedom agendas.

@MarkHulkalo Well, I wouldn't hire me as a programmer.

Haha, well it can be a ticket to a much better life

You're a ticket.

@kalina sorry @kalina, you're right, I forgot about @Simon.

o pls

@Simon You're a Simon.

opls? thats a new one.

pls no

@RoryAlsop I'VE GOT NEW PICTURES OF MY TAT COMPLETED

HANG ON

damn @Simon is posting cat pictures now

Oh no. Simon with a tattoo.

@Simon's cat has a tattoo?

or @Simon has a tattoo of his cat?

yes

For some reason I picture an 85lb nerd with box-frame glasses, a demented smile, and a tattoo of his mother.

he has a tattoo of his cat with a tattoo of his mother.

@MarkHulkalo except instead of his mother, its a cat.

@@@

IS THAT A CAT SKULL???

worst.thing.ever.

pretty art, though.

I like the tattoos that Chinese triads get

I almost got one

@MarkHulkalo you should get a sicilian tattoo.

She's a talented artist for sure.

oh no wait, I'm confused, thats a sicilian necktie I am thinking of.

@Simon but you made her use her talent for evil.

I'd get one with a lion devouring a dragon

and trampling it underfoot

@MarkHulkalo eww then the lion would be eating the dirt from his feet

or trampling it after devouring it? that doesnt make sense, except in one icky digestive meaning...

No, Dragons are fairly large... you could be trampling part of it while eating the other part.

trample + about to devour, for example

@MarkHulkalo oh that makes sense. like climbing up its back while eating its heard.

But I'm kind of against marking my body for some weird reason

still, that wouldnt really count as trample would it

I blame the old testament

or much of devour either, for that matter

Mike Tyson didnt "devour" Holyfield for example.

you could say he "devoured" his ear, but thats about it.

@AviD I already considered that, why do you think I was so surprised

@AviD Those are her favorite projects though!

And it's barely evil anywayz

@MarkHulkalo me too, but not (not just) because of religion based reasons... I happen to like my body the way it is.

@Simon cat skulls??

pls it's humanoid

HUMANOID

@Simon you're a humanoid

human nord

@AviD For me, it's both.

@AviD Surprised that this domain doesn't exist yet.

@AviD Plus people think I'm permanently pissed (Resting Bitch Face), and are intimidated of me due to that and my height. Don't want to give them more of a reason, lol

@AviD Are you sure that you wouldn't prefer your boobs to be bigger?

@CodesInChaos worst.thing.ever, or cat skulls?

@AviD The former.

i.imgur.com/SkuTLOn.webm

Uh

is this stupid contest day?

@Simon - nice

good artwork

or am I just missing some context

@RoryAlsop you're a fan of dead cats?

only when glued to legs

uhh wut

._.

@RoryAlsop Thanks!

Yanno when you google something... and turn up something even more disturbing?

hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/…

or arms, @AviD

@Simon hey I said it was nice art too!

@AviD Thanks!

@JourneymanGeek WHY WERE YOU GOOGLING THAT

@JourneymanGeek - had you not seen that before? The first time I saw the video I had to laugh

I was looking this up theguardian.com/world/video/2012/jun/05/…

oh, so this is a kit in order to do your own flying cat? cool

I prefer to bury them, myself, and grow rose bushes from them

@kalina did you catch that @JourneymanGeek googles for pictures of dead cats

@AviD now now

flying dead cats

heh. that's kinda freaky.

@RoryAlsop ours is probably gonna get cremated.

@HackToHell >_>

Well, dog.

We're unlikely to own a cat.

The cat jumps in

Ready to kill

My mom dosen't like em.

@HackToHell better jumping in than flying in, on wings of plastic...

@HackToHell Oh wow, I've never actually looked at your gravatar carefully, that is a cute kitten.

I fly with caforce

@Simon :D

I thought it was a picture of an ugly dog like @JourneymanGeek.

trololo

heh

@JourneymanGeek - my best rose bushes are from cats.Nice way to remember them.

@RoryAlsop I think there's a legal requirement to cremate dead pets here.

Country where I don't want to live: Singapore.

@RoryAlsop losing a pet's hard :(

I might have been used to having too much freedom but laws that require you to serve the army sicken me.

(actually I have no idea what they do in the old country)

@Simon It'll make a man out of you!

also, make you appreciate how good food tastes.

@Simon I have a doughnut in my mouth.

@AviD That is a low blow for two reasons: 1- misspell 2- COME ON, I WANT SOME.

@Simon its not a misspell, its a doughnut, not a donut.

Oh god not this again.

its a nut made of dough.

My donut spells it "doughnut" too.

so, it's Hannuka here this week, and for some reason jelly doughnuts are traditional this time of year.

I'm not sure if I can marry her.

now, the doughnut I was eating was not a jelly doughnut, but it was more similar to that (sans jelly) than to real donuts.

@Simon TWSS

I haven't had donuts in a long time.

Probably a few months.

lulz

hey @RоryMcCune there's a double for ya

If you wanna know, the last time I rode a pony was a few hours ago, sir.

@Simon see, its things like that that are the reason I have to delete my own borderline comments.

Now I will proceed to modabuse you.

I wouldn't have said it if you didn't say those things!

@Simon which is why I have to delete it!

No ovid, the male pony rode me.

if you would have just accepted it, I could have let it be.

@AviD happeh candle week

@Simon I... am not sure how best to edit this one.

Hahaha.

@Simon there, I think I've successfully subverted your intention.

o wtf

@Ohnana tanka

@Simon it's the subtle edits that are the most satisfying :-).

I could be more explicit, if you'd like, but then I would be just as guilty as you.

Morning gang

@JukEboX I think you mean "breakfast club"

@Avid - very nice

@RoryAlsop You're very nice.

the breakfast club comment, I mean. The modedits on @Simon's pony just confused me (not helped by trying to read history on an iPad)

I wouldn't try to do anything on an iPad.

@AviD

booooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggg

rekt

u 2

Hello everyone

Hi @MarkHulkalo

Nice edit Markus.

@Simon Thanks!

@JukEboX What's up?

@kalina still not found what you're looking for?

@kalina Do you need help spicing up the day? I have important staring to do while I wait for access approval. If you need me to cause a ruckus, let me know.

Otherwise I will resume staring

Do you work on weekends too, Markus?

"Sorry wife, I got some work to do"

stares at screen