The DMZ

Mark Hulkalo

02:41

@AviD Harlo

David Freitag

04:17

@kalina Thanks for getting me to try 10. It is fantagasmic

Mark Hulkalo

178.88 Mb/s

Serenity now.

I'm rocking 75 Megabeezy fo' sheezy here.

Austin Hartzheim

04:34

@MarkHulkalo I finished the unicode detecting add-on a while back: github.com/austinhartzheim/unicodealert

Haven't submitted to AMO yet. Will likely do that soon.

Mark Hulkalo

04:55

I was going to finish that lol

Nice job. Did the provided code help?

Austin Hartzheim

@MarkHulkalo Oh, I thought you had dropped this project in favor of your game.

Mark Hulkalo

Hmm, a very different approach. Nice

I did. But I'm thinking of doing a Firefox add-on to add to my lortfoolio.

Austin Hartzheim

@MarkHulkalo But yes, it saved some trouble on hunting down the regular expressions. Although, I did expand it a little bit.

Mark Hulkalo

...portfolio

I'm just so drained after getting home from a long day of nothing to do

Austin Hartzheim

Doing nothing can be quite mentally draining. It takes a lot of restraint.

Mark Hulkalo

05:01

Yeah. :|

Supposed to pick up next week. We'll see

David Freitag

M'vy

08:13

Morning

Rоry McCune

@kalina I'm not a fan, use to like it/did a lot of it,these days less keen (I always seem to get a cold when I travel)

@M'vy mornin' :)

M'vy

I don't speciality like travelling. Meaning I don't mind, but I'm not looking to it.

Rоry McCune

yeah I still travel when needed, I just don't enjoy it the way I used to. I think flying once every week or two for several years will do that

only so many hotel meals you can eat

David Freitag

amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-Ferrari-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/…

Amazingly cheap racing wheel compatible with windows ^

Rоry McCune

08:48

@DavidFreitag so this is taunt the guy with slow Internet day is it ? :op

kalina

09:11

@DavidFreitag what?

?

I love spending one week in Austrailia and then the next week in Germany and then the next week in America and then the next week in Spain and then the next week in Holland and then the next week in... etc

unfortunately it's more like 3 days in and then go home and then go to the next place 4 days later

M'vy

ahah. wat ?

dat fan.

kalina

what?

M'vy

WTF : what the fan :)

going back to ~~sleep~~ work

kalina

going back to ~~work~~ sleep

M'vy

:)

kalina

09:16

I ordered a new bed

so I can achieve that sinking into the mattress experience from hotels from the comfort of my own home

Rоry McCune

@kalina I've often thought that the marriott and similar selling hotel style beds was a good idea

kalina

yes

I don't understand why they're so much more comfortable

I concluded it must be because whenever I fall asleep in a hotel I'm genuinely completely dead

Rоry McCune

@kalina I found that buying specific mattresses rather than just getting it as part of an overall bed helps. got mine from mattressman and they've been very good

kalina

I'm so upset that my highest voted post on the network is on here

Rоry McCune

nice comfy, not too soft

kalina

09:24

like 0.01% upset

which for an internet thing is "so"

Rоry McCune

@kalina as oppposed to soooooooooo which is 0.03

David Freitag

@kalina windows 10

kalina

@DavidFreitag you can't possibly be thanking me for getting you to try Windows 10 after all of the hate shown towards Windows 10

so you must be being sarcastic

David Freitag

@kalina I'm serious

kalina

well that has even more serious repercussions

such as me being right, again

David Freitag

09:26

I installed it to prove you wrong

kalina

I matter so much to you that you feel like spending real life time to prove me wrong?

awww

:$

Rory Alsop

morning

@AviD - thought you'd like this

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop watcha'

Rory Alsop

7

Q: In real life, could the best possible archer pull off the shots that Katniss Everdeen routinely performs?

This is not an opinion-based question. For example, if someone were shown doing a quintuple axel on figure skates, anyone who knew anything about skating would point out that a "mere" quadruple axel has never been done, at least not in competition. (The "quad" is a quadruple toe loop.) The lin...

archery

M'vy

@RoryAlsop what does she do?

Rоry McCune

09:30

@RoryAlsop BTW did you know that there's a "modern" version of gauntlet on steam?

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune really? brb

Rоry McCune

@M'vy shoots stuff with a bow

M'vy

@RоryMcCune yeah great. I do shoot stuff with a bow sometimes

David Freitag

@kalina Then I realized I was a bit of a tool when I was arguing about it yesterday so I thought I'd thank you

Rory Alsop

@M'vy what t'other Rory said. I just saw @AviD had answered another question about her, so might enjoy this one

Rоry McCune

09:30

@RoryAlsop yeah I got it over the weekend, it's reasonably close in style

kalina

@DavidFreitag I'm used to people on the internet acting like tools towards me

M'vy

@RoryAlsop Well, I have been into archery, so I'm curious now.

Rоry McCune

@M'vy unfort. that's the best answer I have as I've not seen any of the movies (I'm not really the target demographic for those films)

M'vy

But I'm not that of a HG fan.

David Freitag

@kalina it's human nature to act like a tool on the internet

kalina

09:32

I'd hope if I ever acted like a tool on the internet somebody would point it out

I always wanted to try archery but never have

I guess that's something to add to my "todo2016" list

well I say list

David Freitag

It's loads of fun

kalina

it's a .txt

well... me with an actual weapon, doesn't sound like a good idea

Rоry McCune

I have a crossbow I've been meaning to try out

came in my Zombie apocolypse survival kit

kalina

and I'm not the kind of person who can do something and be bad at it and still enjoy it

I'd rather just not do those things

Rоry McCune

along with a very useful machete and lock knife

David Freitag

09:35

I crossbows are just bows for lazy people :b

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag sounds like my kind of weapon

David Freitag

Lol

Rory Alsop

I used to have a crossbow, and they are great fun, but the times I have gone to do archery have been much more fun, because there is more that you actually do

Journeyman Geek

@DavidFreitag they also have better penetration and are easier to use.

Rory Alsop

I always end up hurting mysefl with a bow though

Journeyman Geek

09:36

They had worse rate of fire tho.

Rory Alsop

especially a long bow

M'vy

@DavidFreitag ever tried to reload one?

Journeyman Geek

The british were the masters of the arrow spam ;p

David Freitag

@JourneymanGeek it's not all about penetration

AviD

@RoryAlsop heh, I got almost as many downvotes as upvotes on that one

Rory Alsop

09:36

@JourneymanGeek sounds like the front page of reddit

kalina

@JourneymanGeek better penetration you say?

Rory Alsop

@AviD I saw :-)

AviD

not really a particular interest, just thought I had something to add

Rory Alsop

@kalina but you can't use it as fast

kalina

quality > speed

David Freitag

09:37

Chatting on mobile is literally the worst thing ever

kalina

@DavidFreitag yes, that's why I never do it

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag that's 'cause you should be asleep

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag well, it's not the worst thing, but it's right up there </Tim Curry>

David Freitag

I can't sleep so I'm here with you lot

kalina

well, my solution for mobile chatting is actually more annoying than mobile chat

since remote desktop on a phone is still pants

Journeyman Geek

09:38

@kalina Yup

But took longer to load

@DavidFreitag depends

David Freitag

No I load the full site it's just a pain trying to type between autocucumbers

kalina

I don't know what you're yup'ing at

:(

Journeyman Geek

If you're fighting someone in heavy plate, its nice.

@kalina MORE PENETRATION.

kalina

MORE PENETRATION?!

OMG WHERE

M'vy

stop starbaiting

Rоry McCune

09:39

@DavidFreitag go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep little lobster, close your eyes, close your eyes, close your red bulbous eyes

David Freitag

@JourneymanGeek do that and she might split in half

kalina

@M'vy I'm not starbaiting

@RоryMcCune how rude

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune that must be a UK thing I've not been exposed to

Rоry McCune

Classic Baby Lullaby. Go to Sleep Little Baby. Children Bedtime Song. Homeschool family

►

that's the tune

kalina

when I absolutely have to go to sleep the only solution is smoking large quantities of cannabis in an enclosed space to displace all of the oxygen and knock you out

Rоry McCune

09:41

@kalina huhwhut?

kalina

saying he has bulbous eyes

Rоry McCune

@kalina you can see them.. right there in his avatar

Journeyman Geek

heh. I've been prescribed benedryl

Rоry McCune

they're bulbous

Journeyman Geek

Stuff totally knocks me out

kalina

09:42

@RоryMcCune yes but it's rude to draw attention to them

he might be sensitive

David Freitag

God I love hot chocolate

kalina

you just told him he has fat eyes

who knows what he'll do

and thus you're mean and rude

David Freitag

But I love that I can make hot chocolate instantly even more than hot chocolate itself

kalina

I doubt you can make hot chocolate "instantly"

the rules of physics called, they want to talk about you raising the temperature of water too quickly

David Freitag

OK, in <15 seconds

Rоry McCune

09:44

@kalina ya know (and I know this may come as a surprise) not everyone on here uses a real photographic image for their avatar, and thus they don't necessarily resemble them

kalina

@RоryMcCune PEOPLE DON'T USE REAL PHOTOS OF THEMSELVES ON THE INTERNET?!

David Freitag

@kalina I have a water boiler thingy that keeps 5l of water at just below boiling

Journeyman Geek

You mean @kalina dosen't have rainbow coloured hair? THE HORROR.

Rоry McCune

@kalina I mean I know you're actually a blue pony looking thing with multi-coloured hair, but @DavidFreitag may not actually be zoidberg

kalina

@DavidFreitag that sounds like an efficient waste of electricity

David Freitag

09:45

@RоryMcCune Negative, I am meat popsicle

2

@kalina it costs me $3/mo

kalina

@JourneymanGeek I currently do not have rainbow colored hair primarily because my hair got rather upset with being repeatedly colored last year

and unfortunately as a result of being stalked I can't inform you when I next color my hair as such

AviD

dammit @RоryMcCune incoming tiggerdelete in 3.. 2..

1

David Freitag

lol

kalina

it's no longer fun now you announce it

Journeyman Geek

@kalina heh, I can totally relate.

AviD

09:47

heh. That's the plan. ;-)

kalina

notice how I don't set people on fire anymore?

that's because everybody likes it and I got bored of it

David Freitag

I hadn't noticed, no

kalina

I went in the bridge the other week and somebody begged me to set fire to them!

liek, no

AviD

sounds like a euphemism

Cmon baby light my fiiiiire

Barry Carlyon

facepalm

David Freitag

09:49

You probably decided to lay low after that failed attempt at burning my house down

kalina

in The Bridge, Nov 11 at 17:15, by two bugs

Look, I think I deserve to be set fire to. It's a rite of passage on The Bridge and I haven't had my chance yet.

Rоry McCune

@AviD aaand now I have to go listen to the doors

AviD

The Doors - Light My Fire

►

Journeyman Geek

Reminds me of the joke about the maschochist and the sadist.

kalina

apparently it's some kind of rite of passage ^

AviD

09:49

@RоryMcCune boom

M'vy

@kalina it's part of the folklore now

AviD

@kalina I think he meant "right of massage"

kalina

how they can have a rite of passage that relies on a person who no longer turns up I don't know

AviD

@kalina they know you'll be back.

David Freitag

I wonder if I can count how many pixels the screen on my nexus 9 has

kalina

09:50

obviously what he's saying there is without me the community is dead

it can't grow because I am not present

David Freitag

Perhaps that will put me to sleep

Barry Carlyon

punches David Helping!

David Freitag

@BarryCarlyon Once more, but harder this time

Barry Carlyon

@DavidFreitag punches once more with feeling

kalina

you punched him and then felt him up?

that's disgusting

I can't believe you'd take advantage like that

David Freitag

09:52

Sounds like good time to me

Barry Carlyon

Nope

Just punches

facepalms

Journeyman Geek

with feeling.

AviD

@kalina maybe I was wrong about the whole popsicle thing.

David Freitag

@AviD one can hope.

kalina

@AviD I don't understand what you're referring to

Rоry McCune

09:52

hmm people are strange just started playing, this seems oddly appropriate...

David Freitag

Hey, I'm not strange you're just too normal.

Rory Alsop

@kalina mmm - fire...warm...bright

kalina

I'm not strange, you're just so abnormal that I appear that way from your perspective

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop someone's been in Scotland too long :b

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag lol

but but mmmmm fire

David Freitag

09:55

I could go for a fire

AviD

hey @DavidFreitag maybe this bedtime reading will help you rest your little head: linkedin.com/pulse/…

kalina

I feel like I'm being baited

David Freitag

And perhaps someone to share it with

kalina

here is a small violin for you, @DavidFreitag

David Freitag

I do so love tiny violins

kalina

09:56

here is me playing greensleeves on a small violin

David Freitag

@AviD apparently mobile doesn't agree with that

Nope, just dumb. 7 points.

kalina

zomg

@Simon is really Begueradj

Rоry McCune

@kalina how d'ya figure that one?

Rory Alsop

@kalina impossibru

David Freitag

Wow 5am

The rest of this day is going to be fun...

Rоry McCune

10:04

@DavidFreitag that'll happen if you don't sleep

step 1 - Get off the shiney square device, it's hard to sleep whilst reading the riveting conversations we have here

step 2 - have a milky warm drink (assuming you're not intolerant to lactose)

David Freitag

If I do fall asleep I'll be in bed until 4 or 5pm which isn't really conducive to that whole work thing

Rоry McCune

step 3 - get some acoustic peaceful music to listen to

David Freitag

Got step 2 & 3 covered

Rоry McCune

step 4 - try to sleep whilst listening to quiet acoustic music + having drunk said drink

David Freitag

Well, and 4

Rоry McCune

10:07

@DavidFreitag just 1 to go then

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune I was in bed trying that for four hours prior to entering chat

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag music on , milky drink drunk?

no shiney devices?

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune yiss

Pure black

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag hmm ok, why do you feel you were having difficulty sleeping? Usually I find it's cause I'm thinking about real-life stuff, ergo can't sleep

or perhaps if I'm uncomfortable (too hot generally)

unlikely to be an issue in winter

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune not even remotely tired

Rоry McCune

10:09

@DavidFreitag hmm perhaps you should try evening excercises

something to burn off energy/make you tired

that can help

I know I sleep real well if I've done a big walk that day

David Freitag

Yeah well that would cause other problems

kalina

10:23

@RоryMcCune most devices you'd use to be here are not square

Rоry McCune

@kalina nit-picker

kalina

@RоryMcCune creamy milky slightly salty warm drink?

Rоry McCune

@kalina I was thinking of Ovaltine or hot chocolate, I don't think either of those is salty?

kalina

what is ovaltine?

Rоry McCune

@kalina ovaltine.co.uk

kalina

10:24

well that's boring

Rоry McCune

the original british calming milk drink

kalina

oh noes new password required

(letters of previous password) + (number at end of password + 1)

not different enough!

(top line of keyboard + number)

not complex enough

Arperum

I forgot how disgusting Cola is.

kalina

"{$My53cr3tPl4c3$}"

oh right, I've just told the internet that password

hmmm

Arperum

I'm awake on 3.5 hours of sleep since sunday. And expected that drinking cola would help in staying awake. But it's disgusting.

kalina

10:35

fizzy drinks in general with the exception of half flat dr pepper

or glass bottle dr pepper

Arperum

It's plastic bottle Coca Cola. It's extremely bad.

Rоry McCune

@kalina that's ok the internet can handle that it knows it's one of your passwords, I just saw *************

Barry Carlyon

Wait is that a thing? If I type my password in it shows up as *** for you when I type myvoiceismypassword ?

Rоry McCune

@BarryCarlyon yeah that's totally works. It's the "Hunter2" Internet feature

explained here bash.org/?244321

on the well know Internet Standards site, bash.org

Barry Carlyon

The thin in brackets just showed up as *** for me

Praise bash.org

Rоry McCune

10:50

@BarryCarlyon inorite really useful feature

Barry Carlyon

:-P

M'vy

I need a plugin to lookup acronyms on urban dict...

Terry Chia

@AviD Yeah, I saw that already but I'm not a fan of BH Asia.

AviD

@RоryMcCune heh, still funny

Rоry McCune

11:14

@TerryChia they are a bit corporatey

also charging for registration before actually announcing speakers always seems odd to me

what if you end up hating the line-up

CodesInChaos

@BarryCarlyon That one is only secure when used together with voice recognition. n00b

Barry Carlyon

damn it

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Dicks is the word I'd use.

kalina

11:35

@M'vy are you sure you want to do that?

it would need a disclaimer: "may lead to accidental brain damage"

I am using my patented DNA authentication system

in which I lick the keyboard to unlock my pc

AviD

@RоryMcCune yeah that is super sucky.

AppSecEU did that too IIRC

AppSecIL had open registration before the lineup, but then we didnt charge

and didnt close registration before publishing the lineup...

Rоry McCune

@AviD yeah it is relatively common. I guess there's some impedence mis-match between the two activities which is fine for free/cheap, but when you're charging decent cash you should be decently organised..

AviD

A huge portion of people that come to AppSecIL is for the community, so they would come regardless (free helps with that). I doubt its the same with the big expensive corpy confs.

@RоryMcCune I think its borderline for free/cheap too, but there is an organizational mismatch.

both on timeline, and on pull.

kalina

@RоryMcCune lol

AviD

"so um, we wanna have a few people come, some might show... Who wants to do all the hard work of preparing a great talk to get through our gruelling CFP process (not to mention travel arrangements)??"

vs "over 500 people have already paid cash money! We can cover your expenses! woot! Who's in??"

Rоry McCune

11:44

@AviD well at least there blackhat pay a speaking fee + travel for longer talks

kalina

that would be like me turning up at place and covering my own travel and accommodation

never gonna happen

AviD

@RоryMcCune yeah, but hypothetically if they get like 15% of expected registrations they can reassess, or scale back the number of speakers, etc

kalina

well, in a around about way, since it's all built into my fee

ZOMG Y R U CHARGING SO MUCH?!

AviD

of course, thats the way its usually done

kalina

I live on the other side of the planet and it's going to cost me €1500 to get to you?

so no I'm not going to accept less than €5000 as my fee

because hotels are not cheap

AviD

11:47

so if I paid you €1500 you would get to me?

kalina

well no because then I'd need to apply the visitingadouche penalty

which is 5000%

AviD

€5000 per day IS pretty high. Thats like almost EY rates.

kalina

per day?

AviD

@kalina heeeeyyy now I'm not the douche

kalina

I don't provide day rates, they'd be eye watering

I provide hourly rates

AviD

11:48

well I guess if you thought I was paying you to come visit, then yes

kalina

and then only work 1 hour a day

Rоry McCune

@kalina 5000k an hour's not a bad rate ...

kalina

yes and no

it's all relative

Rоry McCune

@kalina of course.. if you being there helps them get in x000 people at xx per person it could be entirely reasonable

kalina

it's 5k/hour but you cover your expenses and then there's time and time isn't free and then there's away from home and that means beaches and then there's being in a different country and that means sight seeing and then there's missing friends birthdays and important occasions and then etc

so by the time you have flights and accommodation it's not anywhere near 5k/hour

and when you take into consideration "time spent flying" or "time spent isolated in a foreign country" that drops it much further

I am most profitable when I'm playing multiple events in the same weekend, within driving distance of each other

or new years eve

but it is a fun argument ender

Rоry McCune

11:54

you'd be amused to know that some IT consultancy companies expect their staff to travel on their own time

expenses paid, but not travel time

kalina

well yes/no

Rоry McCune

luckily I do not work for such a company

kalina

I don't get "paid" for my travel time

Rоry McCune

@kalina no but you can factor it into your fee

kalina

but I take it into consideration when working out how much I earn

Rоry McCune

11:54

as opposed to a salaried person

kalina

yes but I can't fully reimburse myself

Rоry McCune

who is just getting one put over on them

kalina

If I were to say "well it will cost me 15 hours of travelling time so I'm going to charge you €100 per hour for that" they'd tell me to fuck off

but I also can't take 24 hours that I've worked, add up their fees and say "I earned <some ludicrous number> in 24 hours!!!111"

Rоry McCune

@kalina sure but you can say "my fee for that weekend is xxx"

kalina

I can't say that

that indicates exclusivity

exclusivity is another fee altogether

exclusivity is the kind of thing where they can advertise "this is the only event I'm doing this weekend! 100% to ourselves!" and then I turn up relatively early, hang about, talk to people, do some dancing, do a performance, then go back to hanging around with people for a few hours

Rоry McCune

11:59

@kalina sounds terrible :op

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