The DMZ

Rоry McCune

23:00

@kalina no hop till brooklyn?

Mark Hulkalo

This is bullshit

Rand Paul inviting me to a private lunch

kalina

look at you name dropping

or falling victim to phishing

or both

Mark Hulkalo

Phishing.

It's funny because it requires I open an attachment

I'll have fun with this

@DavidFreitag Hi.

David Freitag

Mark Hulkalo

Hop on epic imho

David Freitag

23:05

You got a gmail?

Mark Hulkalo

Yar, I'll share it on epic

AviD

wth is epic?

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo I can't it's on my home pc which is currently unplugged

Mark Hulkalo

Ah, ok

I can wait

David Freitag

@AviD Something dumb

AviD

23:06

ah

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo my email is here

Mark Hulkalo

Unplugged? A little paranoid are we?

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo No, I got a new GPU and I'm in the process of installing it

Mark Hulkalo

A likely story

David Freitag

Also, you would be surprised how much standby power a computer uses.

kalina

23:09

well he has to do his preinstall foreplay

you know how these electrical engineers are with new GPUs

Mark Hulkalo

Are you so poverty-stricken that you need to save standby computer power?

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo I have been selling every possibly bodily secretion to pay my rent. What do you think?

Mark Hulkalo

But you work with hardware? At a jorb?

They don't pay you shiznit?

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo Yiss

@MarkHulkalo Not really, no

Mark Hulkalo

Engineers are generally paid really well...

David Freitag

23:11

I've been over this a million times

Mark Hulkalo

First year's experience?

David Freitag

tl;ds: I'm an idiot, carry on

Mark Hulkalo

You are breaking my heart

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo No degrees

kalina

tl;ds:?

what is tl;ds:?

David Freitag

23:12

@kalina Too long didn't say

Mark Hulkalo

Well I don't know enough about hardware, but erm

You are a pretty decent programmer. Apply somewhere.

David Freitag

Don't worry about it.

Mark Hulkalo

I'd hire your ass in a heartbeat if I were in charge of brogramming at work

kalina

you like hiring ass?

Mark Hulkalo

No, I worry about it. You can do better.

David Freitag

23:13

My butt is a great brogrammer...

Mark Hulkalo

If you're poverty-lining it, you may qualify for some sort of assistance to go back to schoolio.

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo I make $24k/yr before taxes, rent, bills, etc.

Mark Hulkalo

OUch bro

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo I could be going to Uconn for free right now, but that's another story in itself

Mark Hulkalo

You need to believe in yourself

AviD

23:15

@DavidFreitag that means really little in almost every position. especially if you already have substantial experience.

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo That's not the issue.

Mark Hulkalo

Health?

Family?

David Freitag

@AviD I have three years experience in January

AviD

there ya go

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo You are thinking too inside the box, I live at the bottom of the sea

Mark Hulkalo

23:16

Oh. In a pineapple?

AviD

@DavidFreitag there are plenty of remote jobs...?

kalina

all I'm hearing are excuses

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, I got a job without a degree...

AviD

or you could move, if you wanted to... no kids makes that a whole lot easier ;-)

@MarkHulkalo I dont have one either.

Mark Hulkalo

It was a little shady, but all I needed was a foot in the door.

David Freitag

23:17

I explained myself in here a bunch of times, I'm not going to again

Mark Hulkalo

And from then on, I had multiple interviews

AviD

well, I had a CISSP for a while, but whatev.

Mark Hulkalo

Now I'm at a nice place

AviD

@DavidFreitag you dont have to.

we're just trying to encourage you.

Mark Hulkalo

David, you know more about security than the average developer, and you know how to codezors. And you know how to hardwarezors.

Rоry McCune

23:18

@AviD I have one, but it's in an entirely irrelevant field (accountancy)

Mark Hulkalo

You can make it, bro

@RоryMcCune I just never finished mine.

AviD

ooh! can I be your agent @DavidFreitag?

Rоry McCune

@MarkHulkalo yeah I got to the end of the ordinary degree phase and didn't last honours..

AviD

3 months, I'll get you a better job, x3 the salary.

David Freitag

@AviD Be my guest, but just know I won't be looking for a new job for at least two, maybe three years

AviD

23:19

I'll take 20%, for a year.

Mark Hulkalo

I got invited to the honors, but the honors professor was a little special.

@DavidFreitag Is there an important reason for that?

AviD

@MarkHulkalo same

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo An important reason to me, yes

AviD

@DavidFreitag does it count if I'm looking for you?

@DavidFreitag ahhhh hot coworker. of course, of course.

David Freitag

@AviD More than just one

Mark Hulkalo

23:20

@DavidFreitag I won't push bro, sorry if I made you uncomfortable

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo No it doesn't make me uncomfortable

kalina

@MarkHulkalo that's what he said

@DavidFreitag this is what he responded

Mark Hulkalo

@DavidFreitag Anyway, my little device is nothing more than an automatic network forensics tool / IDS / honeypot / etc.

AviD

so should I look for you or not?

Mark Hulkalo

I have the software concept done, but I can't finish the hardware alone

AviD

23:21

I was only mostly serious.

David Freitag

@AviD I mean, be my guest but like I said I won't be changing jobs for at least a few years

AviD

ahh you said "looking" now you say "changing"

;-)

Mark Hulkalo

Explain whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Ah nevermind

kalina

because he doesn't want to

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah, I realized that you got confused :]

Mark Hulkalo

23:22

Doesn't matter. Let's make something

kalina

he has an overwhelming love of being dominated by his employer and basically enslaved

Mark Hulkalo

He's a sub

AviD

he signed an abusive lock-in contract, and he's embarrased to admit it

Mark Hulkalo

Employers that take advantage of people like that aren't worth working for.

kalina

I used to work for an employer that didn't fully appreciate my awesome

and now I don't

David Freitag

23:23

@MarkHulkalo Nobody at this company has any motivation. A year ago, I took over a ten year old project that was essentially just a cardboard box with a few PC boards in it.

AviD

the magic spell that will make him a real boy will only be complete 2 years from now.

David Freitag

Thanks to me we're planning on shipping products based on a new platform in a few months

AviD

@kalina same

@DavidFreitag ah, emotional investment? old story.

David Freitag

If I leave, the project will never get finished, and the company will fall apart

Mark Hulkalo

@kalina Same

kalina

23:24

I found that generating and maintaining the required level of motivation to be self employed is very difficult at first

AviD

are you getting some bonus, equity, or some kind of consideration?

kalina

I still struggle from time to time

you guys are awfully distracting

David Freitag

Also, it helps that I love my job

AviD

cuz if not, that's abusive.

David Freitag

Ten years on the project and they literally got nowhere

Mark Hulkalo

23:25

Well, given David's situation, I'm not sure he has much choice

David Freitag

Of course I have a choice

Mark Hulkalo

If he doesn't finish this, he doesn't have anything to show future employers

Or am I wrong?

David Freitag

That too ^^

Mark Hulkalo

If future employers see what he can do, that's a shoe in.

kalina

speaking of shoes

David Freitag

23:27

If I roll out this major project, I can show it off for future employers, otherwise I'm just some guy at some company working on a project and jumped ship for more money

Mark Hulkalo

But I mean, if they'll pay you more...

David Freitag

I got a raise this year

kalina

a raise?

what do you define as a raise?

Mark Hulkalo

From 23.9k to 24k?

kalina

don't say "inflation", that isn't a raise

David Freitag

23:28

I think +$2/hr

Xander

@kalina Yes, horseshoes is a marvelous game, I agree.

David Freitag

So from 24k to near 27k

Mark Hulkalo

Huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

kalina

what is that in a real figure

Xander

@kalina 11 pounds six.

kalina

23:29

what

AviD

@DavidFreitag you need to be hearing "xN", not "+N"

Xander

@kalina Fine then, 32 Yemeni Rials.

AviD

I dont mean to bum you out, but bottom end salaries for you should be multiple of that.

David Freitag

I also reduced my car payments from $372/mo to $200/mo

kalina

@DavidFreitag "yay"

Mark Hulkalo

23:30

Dude, I'm making about 70k

And I feel poor

David Freitag

How does it feel to feel poor?

Mark Hulkalo

Would've been making more, but I turned down a CTO position at a startup

Too shady

Xander

@MarkHulkalo That's because you spend like a drunken sailor.

David Freitag

(n)spoopy(n+2)me

Mark Hulkalo

@Xander Got a wife and 2 kids :p

David Freitag

23:31

@Xander s/you/your wife

AviD

@MarkHulkalo and @DavidFreitag is way more qualified than you.

Mark Hulkalo

@AviD Depends on what you mean.

AviD

as proven by his sec.se rep of course.

@MarkHulkalo ;-)

Mark Hulkalo

Har har

David Freitag

lol

kalina

23:32

he meant @DavidFreitag is more qualified than you

AviD

@kalina yeah, that

kalina

does that mean I'm more qualified than @DavidFreitag?

AviD

alternative proof, we know him longer. :P

David Freitag

@AviD It's not about length, man

AviD

pfft

Mark Hulkalo

23:33

Yeah, he probably is :)

kalina

@DavidFreitag that's... not true

that's something that somebody with a small penis would say

David Freitag

@kalina Yes, yes it is.

kalina

poor you :(

Mark Hulkalo

@DavidFreitag If the project falls apart without you, it's their problem, not yours. They aren't paying you enough, and they aren't giving you any equity (are they?)

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo You asked him for help a bit earlier? That kind of gives an indication.

David Freitag

23:34

@MarkHulkalo Hahaha equity, you funny

Mark Hulkalo

@Arperum I don't know much about hardware. I'm in Software/Security.

But I agree.

David Freitag

@Arperum Yes, but at the same token if he asked me about hacking an AOL cd, I wouldn't even know where to start.

AviD

@Arperum not really.

Mark Hulkalo

With an axe, obviously.

Arperum

@AviD Shush. don't apply logic.

6 secs ago, by Arperum

@AviD Shush. don't apply logic.

kalina

23:35

7 secs ago, by Arperum

6 secs ago, by Arperum

@AviD Shush. don't apply logic.

AviD

16 secs ago, by kalina

7 secs ago, by Arperum

6 secs ago, by Arperum

@AviD Shush. don't apply logic.

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo you still haven't emailed me

AviD

do we really have to do this?

kalina

7 secs ago, by AviD

16 secs ago, by kalina

7 secs ago, by Arperum

6 secs ago, by Arperum

@AviD Shush. don't apply logic.

Mark Hulkalo

@DavidFreitag Not while you're at workzors

kalina

23:35

10 secs ago, by David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo you still haven't emailed me

just now, by Mark Hulkalo

@DavidFreitag Not while you're at workzors

13 secs ago, by AviD

do we really have to do this?

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo Why not...?

Mark Hulkalo

I don't trust your employer :b

kalina

remember that your employer is trying to earn as much money as possible

and will take advantage of you without a second thought

Mark Hulkalo

Yep. It works like this: If you're out there making $700k for your employer per year, paying you $0 makes them $700k. Paying you $100k makes them $600k, which is still $600k more than they'd make without you.

kalina

yes but minions are expendable

David Freitag

23:38

@MarkHulkalo Lol, they're not malicious, trust me. We're in bad shape financially because the instruments we sell are based on 80's technology.

kalina

just overwork them until they burn out and then replace them

AviD

@DavidFreitag dont listen to them. Happiness at work is more important than being paid a decent salary.

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, I'd take happiness over a huge salary

David Freitag

@AviD I'm more happy being at work doing work than I am at any other location.

kalina

well the trick is to achieve happiness and monies

AviD

23:39

@DavidFreitag sure, but that doesnt mean you wouldnt have that any other place.

like, a place that appreciates you more.

kalina

if you can get travelling in there as well, that's a major bonus

AviD

IF you like travelling.

kalina

who doesn't like travelling

AviD

I am happy with a very small amount, and even that depends.

Mark Hulkalo

@DavidFreitag A lot of companies are in bad shape because of old tech.

Most of them never make it

AviD

23:40

@kalina see, I'm actually happy at home.

Mark Hulkalo

Some young whippersnapper comes along and does it better.

David Freitag

They appreciate me plenty. They can barely afford to keep the lights on. We had to fire four people mid last year because of budget concerns

kalina

it's all about the 17 hour flying visit

turn up, hit the club, sleep, go home

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo And that's why I'm staying.

AviD

I just need to travel once in a while to replenish my stock of whisky .

Mark Hulkalo

23:41

@DavidFreitag If you manage to pull them out of this, that's one heck of a resume.

AviD

@MarkHulkalo ^

David Freitag

Exactly.

Mark Hulkalo

If you don't...

That's one heck of a red flag.

AviD

@DavidFreitag and, one hell of a favor they should remunerate you for.

David Freitag

But at least I can say I did my best

Mark Hulkalo

23:41

BOX ME UP AND SHIP ME HOME. PIN MY MEDALS UPON MY CHEST, TELL MY MA I DONE MY BEST.

David Freitag

@AviD I do so enjoy being remunerated.

kalina

@AviD pls like that will happen

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, and they probably will. Let me know if they don't. :-D

AviD

thats a fun word, eh

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo Email me dammit, when I get home I have hours of installing windows to do and I want to get started now

Mark Hulkalo

23:43

Sent.

Do not reveal address. Contains top secrets.

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo That's not a gmail address.

Mark Hulkalo

No, I know.

You wanna gtalk then?

David Freitag

I want to use hangouts

Mark Hulkalo

Okay, give me a second

This one is top top ultra mega secret

David Freitag

Righto

Mark Hulkalo

23:45

Code Hulk

Did you get it?

David Freitag

Nope

Mark Hulkalo

I sent you a hangouts invitation, hm

David Freitag

oh

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