The DMZ

Mark Hulkalo

00:00

@DavidFreitag This might help: download.microsoft.com/download/a/f/7/…

David Freitag

From 2007? Likely contains outdated information that is unusable or won't work.

Mark Hulkalo

Oh shiznits

David Freitag

LOL

> What's New in Windows Vista

Mark Hulkalo

lmao

Sorry

David Freitag

Nah I'll still read it, it will probably help

Mark Hulkalo

00:02

entrust.com/code-signing-best-practices

I closed the link when it said "virus scan your code"

David Freitag

OMFG.

Code Signing with the DigiCert Certificate Utility for Windows

►

Mark Hulkalo

00:20

ah, code-signing. indeed. this is a good idea

I've been reading up on it

Xander

01:14

0

A: How (in)secure is POP/IMAP/SMTP

"Hey Joe," I have been having almost the exact same discussion/argument with o p t o n l i n e (CableVision)for several years. Problem is I really like my email address (had one of the very first back in '97), which is not portable, and it would be a HUGE pain to change--and I have tried (mostly...

Is that well disguised spam, or just weird?

Mark Hulkalo

Just weird

Thomas Pornin

01:49

@Xander This is weird spam.

Mark Hulkalo

02:05

Shit

Apparently terrorists are running around Hanover

abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/…

reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3t6ra7/…

Rоry McCune

07:39

Mornin'

AviD

07:53

@RоryMcCune special for you facebook.com/Kiis1065/videos/443769345807886

Rоry McCune

but those are all great jokes

AviD

heh

Rоry McCune

github.com/docker/dockercraft/issues/3 <-- good bug report

M'vy

08:10

Morning

Rоry McCune

08:21

@M'vy mornin'

Rоry McCune

08:42

mornin' @deed02392 hows Leatherhead?

Rory Alsop

morning

Arperum

09:07

Morning

kalina

09:19

oh, rep capped before getting dressed, might as well go back to bed then

I found a total of 0 acceptable to use samples in Fallout

although I did think about sampling the opening monologue

M'vy

Rep-capped pony :)

Rоry McCune

@kalina keeping the streak alive?

M'vy

acceptable-to-use samples in Fallout, heh? Do you usually do Fallout'mix?

kalina

@M'vy I look for content to sample in every activity I undertake

yes that means I'm terrible to take to the cinema

M'vy

@kalina hehe :)

Does it mean you bother your companion with it while watching the film?

kalina

09:36

it means not being quiet, having phones etc on

M'vy

eeeeek

kalina

it also means what started as watching youtube ends up being a music making session

or tv

or movies

or driving places

or visiting friends

or playing games

or... anything

Rоry McCune

@kalina chatting on the DMZ?

kalina

being on the internet in general

Rоry McCune

@kalina I was just wondering if you'd sampled the DMZ..

Do..dododo...dodo.......NUT!

M'vy

09:41

I think I'm not comfortable in being sampled.

Arperum

@RоryMcCune There isn't all that much sound in here. Except for the occasional ping.

Rоry McCune

@Arperum you could sample the Chat.SE ping :)

or text-->speech some of the text

M'vy

You can find cool title for songs though

"I prefer toasted tigger"

kalina

please, text to speech is only appropriate for being completely inappropriate

you can't try and make a serious track using text to speech

Journeyman Geek

@RоryMcCune in my mind, that went to the tune of du hast.

Rоry McCune

09:46

@JourneymanGeek ohh that would be good

@kalina well TBH I didn't really think you'd try to make a serious track with data from an InfoSec chat room

it's not the most inspirational of sources

kalina

considering it's what I do for a living, most writing of a track are generally serious

Rоry McCune

@kalina you could do stuff for fun too surely

kalina

that would be like me saying "TBH I didn't really think you'd try and make a serious career out of information security"

Rоry McCune

or is it all SRS business

@kalina not it's not, it's like saying "you can have fun in IT sec, even though it's your job"

not everything has to be super serious

kalina

fun and serious are not mutually exclusive things

Rоry McCune

09:55

shit I hang out here and give away free advice, yet I'm a consultant who gets paid for that advice

Mandy Haeburn-Little of @sbrc_scotland tells #ScotGovNEF if Scotland upgrades its IT devices we would be 80% more cyber secure

Tweeted by AlastairRoss on November 18, 2015 at 9:54 AM

M'vy

:)

Rоry McCune

^^what does that even mean!!

M'vy

nothing

snakkkkkkkes

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune If Scotland destroys its IT devices it would be 100% cyber secure :P

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave well hearing things like that from people advising the gov. on security does make me want to destroy my IT devices... by bashing my head off them

TildalWave

09:59

@RоryMcCune they're just selling shit

i.e. they're doing their job

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave oh sure, but it really pains me, that improving security is really really easy conceptually without all this nonsense people talk about. start by "knowing what all our IT systems are, their location, installed software, patch level, patching process"

TildalWave

it's not stakeholder's fault that a country is seeking advice from them

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave ahh well the Scottish Business Resiliancy Centre (SBRC) are meant to be helping scottish business to be more secure/resiliant and they get paid to do that

Rory Alsop

@kalina oh...

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune see? then it's all fine :)

Rоry McCune

10:02

@TildalWave grr Subject matter experts shouldn't be saying things like "80% more cyber secure"

"lies to children" is a thing, I know , but that's taking the mickey

TildalWave

if govt spends money in its area of influence then that's fine even if they spend it stupidly, right?

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop <InfoSecMeme> Is that a Euphamism? </InfoSecMeme>

@TildalWave sure as long as it's not an area I know something about 'cause then I get narky if they're wasting it

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune I would read that as "it's easy to sell IT services to Scottish govt, invest in IT" rather than "Scottish gotv is spending IT money unwisely, I'm out of here"

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune ... Could be

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave all govts spend IT money unwisely

TildalWave

10:06

@RоryMcCune No, I don't think so. From your perspective perhaps, but if they're spending it within Scotland and there's free market and open competition for it, then that's not unwise and if it seems ill advised it's not govt's fault either, it's the industry that has to get better at it.

And the only way for it to get better is to inject more money into it. So it's actually the opposite of unwise :P

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave perhaps we're talking at cross-purposes. when I say unwisely I mean they spend it on the wrong things, their priorities are incorrect in many cases and their projects fail

this to me is an unwise way to spend money

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune then it's your job to inform them of a more wise way to spend it

Rоry McCune

better it should be spent wisely on projects which deliver and make a difference

kalina

an unwise way to spend money is to get your bi-annual royalty payment and spend it all on cocaine

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave yeah when I win the lottery and have the freedom not to do a day-job I can go bang my head on the brick wall of large bureaucratic entities for funsies

@kalina yes that is unwise and potentially fatal (depending on how much money is involved)

TildalWave

10:09

@RоryMcCune can't you just start an interest group? :D

kalina

@RоryMcCune well no, not at all

irrelevant how much money is involved

more down to how quickly you consume it

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave well OWASP is kind of one, but the problem is that to change govs opinions involves politics and IT people tend to be allergic to that, also you are up against some serious entrenched interests (the large co's who like the current arrangements just fine)

@kalina I'll defer to your greater experience in this field :)

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune I meant one that will seek influence within the govt

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave again should I have the financial liberty to do that, I may have a shot :)

but succeeding at lobbying a government is much more about being good at politics than having good knowledge of a field

TildalWave

What financial liberty? You have some good arguments here, start talking about it by maybe publishing a critical article in one of your local newspapers. Make an interest group then wait for people to join. Then propose an independent review of Scotland's IT infrastructure et al.

You might be closer to such position than you realize.

Rоry McCune

10:14

@TildalWave that would be amusing, but I'm reasonably certain it would take a lot more work than that

TildalWave

If you're upset that people lobby your govt with BS then lobby it with non-BS, don't complain about it :P

it's your govt ;)

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave whhaaat I have to try and fix everything I complain about.... I'm a security person, all we do is complain

4

AviD

sometimes, for fun, we like to change things up and whinge about things

@RоryMcCune "being good at politics" translates to "unethical but subtle enough to bribe officials properly, yet still retain plausible deniability", right?

Rоry McCune

@AviD hey that's cyncical even for me :op I was more thinking that building a case, identifying key stakeholders, persuading them to back you, getting access to more senior people , creating policies, getting them past committees etc are all political skills that may not come easily to techies :)

AviD

@RоryMcCune you should watch House of Cards

plus, Kate Mara.

Rоry McCune

10:26

@AviD I watched the old one :oP

AviD

@RоryMcCune the old one?

oh crap, dont tell me that is also based on an old crappy BBC version of the same thing?

Rоry McCune

House of Cards (UK TV series)

House of Cards is a 1990 British political thriller television drama serial in four episodes, set after the end of Margaret Thatcher's tenure as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. It was televised by the BBC from 18 November to 9 December 1990, to critical and popular acclaim. Andrew Davies adapted the story from a novel written by Michael Dobbs, a former Chief of Staff at Conservative Party headquarters. Neville Teller also dramatised Dobbs's novel for BBC World Service in 1996, and it had two television sequels (To Play the King and The Final Cut). The opening and closing theme music for those...

AviD

and I dont mean Yes, Mr. Prime Minister

Rоry McCune

@AviD we've had this conversation before

AviD

@RоryMcCune I must have repressed it.

oh look, I just did that again.

Rоry McCune

10:28

May 8 at 13:06, by AviD

damn, did I just #simon up the place?

^is what you said after the last time

TildalWave

@AviD it's usually the other way around actually and the original trumps over some lame US version

kalina

yes but the lame US version has Kevin Spacey just being himself in it

TildalWave

it's a bit like with computer games... just because there's more eye candy it doesn't mean it's a better game

AviD

@kalina and kate mara

kalina

no she's dead

AviD

10:30

@TildalWave by "eye candy" you mean Kate Mara, right?

kalina

Kevin Spacey killed her

threw her in front of a train

AviD

@kalina SPOILERS

kalina

literally

TildalWave

@AviD googles Kate Mara :)

AviD

@TildalWave make sure safe search is off

kalina

10:31

If I'm spoiling something that happened years ago and that's a bad thing then we need to talk about how you guys bring up stuff from the pre 2000s without taking into consideration that you're spoiling it for the rest of us

TildalWave

well, she ain't that bad lookin'

kalina

I bet she was after she was hit by a train

after being thrown under it by Kevin Spacey

for no reason other than her questioning why people were dying

TildalWave

heh

AviD

@kalina lol

kalina

"spoilers" are only valid for current things

TildalWave

10:32

@kalina that's the seventh degree of Kevin Spacey?

kalina

season 2 of house of cards is not current

AviD

@kalina "did you kill people?" "NO, I would never do that!" kills person asking

kalina

@AviD literally that but without the denial

"why are all of these people dying?" "oh I wish you'd stop asking" "but I can't" throws in front of a train

it happened so fast that I had to rewind

AviD

@kalina hmm you're right, he was evasive instead.

@kalina 3 times

Rоry McCune

he should've thrown her off the top of the house of parliament instead

onto a parked van below

kalina

10:34

that scene instilled fear of trains and tube systems into me

there's nothing somebody of my size would be able to do to prevent such a scenario

AviD

@kalina duck?

kalina

it's like the end of fallout 4 when world war 4 starts and more nukes are dropped

TildalWave

@kalina only use tube stations with those plexiglass panels installed then ;)

Rоry McCune

@kalina paging @Ohnana to the spoiler ward

TildalWave

@AviD don't most European tubes use that middle rail for power? I actually don't know but it seems that there isn't really much space to duck

maybe if you lean sideways

they're rather deep

AviD

10:40

It was a short joke. I was implying that @kalina is oh so very short.

@TildalWave okay, so bring a duck and cook it on the middle rail.

TildalWave

crispy :)

kalina

it's ok, I got the "joke", I hate you for it and hope somebody nukes everywhere you've ever been

TildalWave

s/hole/hope?

kalina

your mother

TildalWave

:)))

Journeyman Geek

10:42

If someone nukes where you've been, and dosen't airburst, there will be holes.

And craters.

TildalWave

if someone nukes every place I've been then the whole planet will look like the moon

Rоry McCune

@AviD pls, @kalina is a 6'4" 250LBS trucker, (s)he ain't that short

deed02392

@RоryMcCune aye tis good, free doughnuts!

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 nice! someone's birthday?

kalina

@RоryMcCune honestly I'm not sure if I'm more offended by being called a man or fat

deed02392

10:44

nah Matt is just awesome

kalina

and the tall thing is definitely mocking me for being not tall

you should be careful calling people fat, it causes psychological damage in which somebody who weighs 50kg starts trying to lose weight

TildalWave

@kalina 6'4" 250LBS (193 cm, 113 kg) ain't fat

Rоry McCune

@kalina it was more a reference to the fact that as far as anyone here knows you could be a blue pony with rainbow coloured hair, so references to physical characteristics are a touch irrelevant :op

@deed02392 suppose there have to be some advantages to working in an office...

deed02392

@RоryMcCune this is the only one i need

mmm strawberry

Journeyman Geek

And as far as anyone knows, I'm a 9.5 kg blonde terrier ;p

kalina

10:48

@TildalWave sorry if I offended you

also if you're that tall eye contact would be difficult

TildalWave

@kalina hehe no I'm not so tall and heavy

not that much less tho

kalina

I'm not short, I'm agile.

TildalWave

why is there so much snapchat spam with those confirm email messages?

and why isn't google blocking that?

I'm not interested in that shit!

kalina

steam bullied me into providing them a phone number

Rоry McCune

@kalina burner phone with a PAYG SIM?

Journeyman Geek

10:51

I really wish I could get a burner phone for stuff like that here

and/or there was an easier way to report illegal loansharks

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek can you not just get cheap PAYG SIMs bought over the counter with cash?

Journeyman Geek

Nope

Rоry McCune

when I was in finland last week they sold them in all the convenience stores

Journeyman Geek

they ask you for ID, even then, and you're limited to 3 active ones at a time.

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek wow that's draconian for sure

Journeyman Geek

10:53

Blame terrorists.

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek you'll need to go ToR/TailsOS/VOIP then :)

Journeyman Geek

(and of course, its not like you can't buy one off a foreign worker past his contract)

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek heh

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek Why? Because limiting terrorists to 3 sims stopped so many of them?

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave hey hey hey none of that logic here

Journeyman Geek

10:54

@TildalWave well, we haven't had too many incidents, so clearly it works, just like the elephant repellent.

kalina

@RоryMcCune yes basically

although apparently having more than one phone is bad news

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune it's just one of those pretend to be doing something restrictions

kalina

I got stopped by the police some time back for speeding and because I had two phones they arrested me on suspicion of drug charges

Journeyman Geek

(and yeah, I've considered a PAYG phone card for stuff like that. Or general use.)

kalina

"only dealers have more than one phone", I'm told

Rоry McCune

10:55

@kalina it's like they've not heard of people practicing good OpSec for other reasons!

kalina

they were very apologetic once they realized their mistake

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek chewing gum ban might have done more for that

no way to bring into the country C4 wrapped in Hubba Bubba print :)

Journeyman Geek

;p

kalina

@RоryMcCune sometimes it's not even opsec related

Journeyman Geek

@kalina heh, you should have said "One's for my boyfriend, and the other's for the one on the side"

kalina

10:57

smart phone batteries are hardly "great"

Journeyman Geek

get a powerbank? ;p

kalina

powerbanks don't resolve the >72 hour issue

Journeyman Geek

(One's for my wife, and the other's for my mistress happens here)

@kalina: mine might do that actually.

kalina

I'm not interested in carrying my own weight in batteries around with me

Journeyman Geek

does roughly 4-5 full charges on my phone

wee bit bulky, but it lives in my backpack.

Rоry McCune

11:21

So todays reminder that I'm old came from @deed02392 who is so young he didn't know about the reserved words in windows filenames.. no calling things COM1 in case you get in the way of the serial port

TildalWave

@kalina how about a solar charger?

deed02392

@RоryMcCune my bad!

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 no you're just young :op

deed02392

i started out on 95

Rоry McCune

it's been a fair while since Serial ports were a big thing

my last serial device was probably a modem in the 90's

had to make sure you got the Hi-speed UART in your port of course

otherwise you were limited to 9600 bps (IIRC)

which was a serious crimp on your otherwise blazing 28800 bps speed!

kalina

11:31

9 answers and 64 votes away from the silver fallout-4 tag badge

not bad in 8 days

Rory Alsop

11:43

@RоryMcCune - I still have one device that requires a serial port. I think I can run it at 118kbaud

Only now I use a USB to serial adapter

Journeyman Geek

I have a header somewhere on my desktop for that.

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop oh yeah i forgot the last bastion of the serial port, firewall management, but I have a serial --> USB converter for those

Journeyman Geek

which is kinda wierd. I suppose though in a generation or 20, they'll have a webui.

AviD

11:57

@JourneymanGeek lucky @RoryAlsop, he'll be around to see that happen in 20 generations.

Terry Chia

@JourneymanGeek Written in Javascript.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia I've seen admin interfaces for systems in that already, I remember loading the login page of one and getting like 100KLoc of JavaScript down without even authenticating

AviD

@RоryMcCune oh many do, and its not even really new.

Hell I remember ISA 2006 had an admin webui.

Rоry McCune

@AviD no this was a couple of years back... I'd love to hear the patching strategy the vendors have for those JavaScript libs though

AviD

A lot of those boxes you get nowadays, like fortinet etc are also webui only.

e.g. imperva.

though that last is not strictly a firewall...

btw I think my UPS is also serial, I should look into getting a converter for that.

Thomas Pornin

12:08

@TildalWave UK trains are powered by a middle rail, but French trains are powered from the cables above (and there is no middle rail)

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin ah cool I didn't notice that, thanks

actually if they also go above ground that kinda makes sense so they don't have to switch

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave yeah our overground electric stuff is overhead cables..

and IIRC the glasgow underground isn't middle rail, so much as rail at the side

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune you mean to say that there is ONE thing that UK does the same as continental Europe? :)

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave well ya know it's hard to be contrary all the time (I mean even @000, @kalina and @AviD agree on things sometimes!)

AviD

@RоryMcCune no we don't

TildalWave

12:15

hehe

AviD

@ThomasPornin I knew we was gonna get schooled on the current state of European trains design by a certain French bear.

TildalWave

current state? time current or electricity current? :P

Rоry McCune

wow the market for devs must be getting really tight, when people look at my Github profile and conclude that I would be right for a Full-stack dev. job in spain paying 50-65k Euros

Journeyman Geek

@ThomasPornin even the paris metro?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune You must have some juicy Javascript in that profile! ;)

Rоry McCune

12:23

@TerryChia apart from probably some repos from a training course I've looked at, I can safely say there's no JavaScript in there, mostly just ruby scripts for one thing and another...

TildalWave

and we all know that Ruby is full stack

just like JavaScript :))

Terry Chia

I think the skill requirement for "full stack dev" is anyone who has ever written a line of code. Ever.

TildalWave

I had to switch my LinkedIn to "not interested" after getting loads of offers for having JS in my skills

Terry Chia

That is to say not very high.

Gilles

@JourneymanGeek no, only the “normal” trains. The Paris metro gets power from a third rail.

Journeyman Geek

12:26

Yeah, thought so

Oh wait, the UK does have a normal rail system.

I used it once

Gilles

@ThomasPornin Only in the south of London. The rest of the country uses catenaries.

Journeyman Geek

Then realised buses/planes were cheaper and more reliable.

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek if always late is normal then yes :)

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave I tended to take national express/megabus if I wanted to go into london, and airplanes elsewhere

Gilles

bueker.net/trainspotting/maps_british-isles.php

Journeyman Geek

12:28

though I once took a bus into scotland and it was ace.

TildalWave

they also go at great length to make it as inconvenient as possible

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave So, its crap ;p

TildalWave

e.g. I couldn't pay a ticket for someone else with my credit card

Journeyman Geek

(that said, <3 the TGV)

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek I prefer the trains from a comfort/speed factor (they're not always late, just a lot of the time) but the bus can't be beat for price

and of course if you ask @RoryAlsop the answer would be "bah public transport, get a subaru instead :op "

Journeyman Geek

12:31

@RoryAlsop cheapie airfares kinda beat it on both.

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek oh most rail systems in EU are pretty good, excellent even if you compare them to the UK ones, which I find really funny considering they invented the thing LOL

Journeyman Geek

I think I flew one of the low cost airlines and it was a lot cheaper

TildalWave

it does get substantially worse out of EU tho

Journeyman Geek

and lol

TildalWave

(and still in Europe)

Rоry McCune

12:31

@JourneymanGeek yeah if you book in advance ryanair/easyjet are much cheaper

Journeyman Geek

I'd like to visit france again if my life gets back in order ;p

Maybe bristol. I have an odd affection for the place ;p

TildalWave

and there's a few exceptions in EU too, such as Romania ... trains there are awful

Journeyman Geek

India runs a pretty good train system

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek there's many a british person who likes a nice bristol

Journeyman Geek

usually cheap and reliable.

Is that a euphamism? Based on the bristol scale?

TildalWave

12:33

@JourneymanGeek which is again funny considering it was set in place by the Brits

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave they kept it state owned, and focused on low cost, semi high reliability

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek well the usual term is "pair of bristols"

Journeyman Geek

o0

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune what does that mean?

Journeyman Geek

ah hah.

I suppose I might like a good pair of bristols.

Rоry McCune

12:34

@TildalWave cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/bristol_city

Journeyman Geek

A single bristol, though, poor lass.

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune oh cockney I didn't consider that

Journeyman Geek

Three would be a little odd. And 6 would mean she's likely a right b****.

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave a fair quantity of uk slang comes from the cockneys they're inventive

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek they have 8 don't they? it's just 6 functional ones

also, it's perfectly OK to say bitch if you're referring to female dogs :P

Journeyman Geek

12:37

Donno, I don't go round rubbing ponies ;p

And typically we get boy dogs

TildalWave

I have one bitch ... don't really stare at her tits LOL but I would check her sometimes for ticks and it's good to make sure if it's a tit or a tick before I start pulling it out :))

AviD

@JourneymanGeek I'm sure I got something out of context, but it still amused me to clean that up proper.

Journeyman Geek

@AviD: Entirely so ;p

TildalWave

@AviD mod abuse! :D

Journeyman Geek

We were quite literally talking about girl dogs and their mammeries. ;p

TildalWave

12:40

we actually were talking of bitches (you know, female dogs) :P

kalina

poor women who have a dog as their chinese star sign

AviD

s/dogs/ponies/

kalina

I don't like how for no reason @AviD is trying to turn this into you all calling me a bitch

Journeyman Geek

@kalina I have a pig as my chinese star sign.

000

@AviD Yes we do.

TildalWave

12:44

@JourneymanGeek I'm so glad you don't have a cock as your chinese star sign :)))

000

I dreamed that @ThomasPornin was talking to my mom, see how much you guys have corrupted my dreams with "your mom" things?

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave That would be fowl.

@000 it wasn't a dream.

TildalWave

ah they call it a "rooster"

Journeyman Geek

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TildalWave

Rooster (zodiac)

The Rooster (simplified Chinese: 鸡; traditional Chinese: 雞/鷄) is one of the 12-year cycle of animals which appear in the Chinese zodiac related to the Chinese calendar. The Year of the Rooster is represented by the Earthly Branch character 酉. == Years and the Five ElementsEdit == People born within these date ranges can be said to have been born in the "Year of the Rooster", while also bearing the following elemental sign: == Basic astrology elementsEdit == == See alsoEdit == Chinese zodiac Five movements == ReferencesEdit... ==

Journeyman Geek

12:46

@TildalWave some people call the 'pig' a boar too

Rоry McCune

@kalina @AviD stir up trouble.... well there's a surprising turn of events :o

TildalWave

apparently I'm a Wood Tiger LOL

if Wiki is to be trusted that is

kalina

@TildalWave you bounce up and down on wood?

TildalWave

@kalina wood tiger ... Tiger Woods ... duh! Obviously, I hit balls hard :D

000

You also cheat on your wife in a very grandiose way.

TildalWave

12:51

really?

kalina

nothing grandiose about cheating

TildalWave

I just wanted to ask how does that work

000

@kalina Of course but the media sure made it somewhat grandiose.

kalina

I'm glad it ruined his career

000

Well, he has enough money to sit back, relax and do the pls dance.

kalina

12:52

but from an objective point of view that was a pretty harsh punishment for domestic infidelity

M'vy

Chinese astrology heh

000

True.

Your personal life and your career should never be related.

TildalWave

what not even in same person? :Oo

000

tildol

pls

kalina

@000 well there are obvious exceptions

000

12:57

kalinuh, watch this:

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