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05:07

2060: The gregarious superintelligent AI, happily talking its way out of a box, is fast becoming a relic of the past. Today's quantum hyper-beings are too busy with their internal multiverse sims to even notice that they're in boxes at all!

M'vy

08:45

morning

kalina

08:55

morning

@RоryMcCune not at all

Arperum

Morning

kalina

well, actually late afternoon

for fallout purposes

Adi

Morning

Arperum

@kalina When exactly does it release?

I have not been following the whole thing, even though I probably should, from what I've seen I'd like the game

kalina

@Arperum 6 hours

although I guess in your timezone it would be er...

however many hours it is until midnight

Arperum

08:58

14 or something.

According to steam 17 hours remain until it unlocks.

kalina

poor you

M'vy

Fallout ? which number it is again ?

kalina

I'll already be halfway through it

M'vy

6 or 7?

kalina

I suppose the only real question is whether I post questions and answers on arqade

@M'vy 4...

Arperum

09:00

I haven't bought it yet, and I'm not planning on buying it right now. Still playing the new Binding of Isaac expansion.

M'vy

Oh really? I thought they were way ahead of that.

Never play any of them, though I've heard they are quite interesting.

but time is not extensible....

kalina

a large number of people say that

Arperum

To be fair, I never played a single fallout game. Whiwh is probably a serious blame on my gaming record.

kalina

I am doing nothing but fallout all week

I'm going to go and sleep for a few hours in a few hours and then I'll fallout until I complete it or collapse from exhaustion

M'vy

:))

kalina

09:02

and if the latter, upon awakening I will fallout until I complete it or collapse from exhaustion

and if the latter, upon awakening I will fallout until I complete it or collapse from exhaustion (2)

and if the latter, upon awakening I will fallout until I complete it or collapse from exhaustion (3)

and I'm not working this weekend either so

M'vy

recursively ?

kalina

but I do need to fit a flight in somewhere in the middle of it all

Arperum

@kalina That's going to annoy the hell out of you.

kalina

laptop

Arperum

Still requires you to at least not look at it while going throguh security or something like that.

kalina

09:10

well the moving is good for the soul

sitting down for a week sounds like a whole load of annoyance

why are hotel beds so... I duno, it's like melting into them

M'vy

09:45

because money ?

kalina

money?

M'vy

cheap things?

or is melting a good thing for a bed?

kalina

melting is a good thing

M'vy

oh

kalina

well, I imagine long term it wouldn't be

since lack of support

but like right now it's like clouds

M'vy

09:49

:)

I feel like I got more back aches if I don't use some kind of firm mattress

(plus I got one of these memory foam pillow that's just awesome)

kalina

it does help that it's like 30 degrees outside and that sun is pouring through the windows and even with the aircon on cold I'm still warm in the sun

M'vy

30 degrees !?!

kalina

...yes?

It's summer here

M'vy

Australia?

kalina

I think we might have covered this earlier -.-

M'vy

09:54

yeah well, I've not been very attentive to the discussions here recently.

Or I don't know.

kalina

from what I've seen there haven't been any discussions here recently

M'vy

My point still stands

kalina

it took like 15 minutes to read everything I missed

AviD

whoa @RоryMcCune I just noticed this tidbit on checkmarx's release notes for the latest version:

> GitHub Integration
Checkmarx now enables full SDLC automation and management of code’s security analysis directly on GitHub by seamlessly integrating with both GitHub Enterprise and GitHub.com. This integration promotes SDLC while allowing developers to keep using their native collaboration tool. Using GitHub integration, developers can:
• Trigger repository code-scan based on user-configured events such as commit, pull-request, etc
• Review the code-scan results from the GitHub interface

M'vy

10:09

Too bad the search filter does not allow to search "every message"

AviD

@M'vy on github?

M'vy

on SE

(chat)

AviD

why not?

M'vy

Cause I can't just lookup message by one person with no search key

(tried *, . and % no luck)

vehicle registration is open from 9h to 15h30

are you kidding me ?

AviD

anybody here with experience in Android programming?

M'vy

10:20

not that much.

kalina

@AviD yes

AviD

@kalina really? or are you mocking me?

kalina

...it's almost certain that somebody in here has experience with Android programming

AviD

oh I see :-(

specifically I'm looking for the security perspective, around things like intents, exported services, binding, etc.

kalina

Android security is broken by default, just skip that step and implement it in the second release

AviD

10:22

I want to corroborate my current trivial understanding.

@kalina heh, not wrong. Also not my point right now.

kalina

I have no other positive contributions to make

AviD

@kalina please. I'm sure you do, just not about this.

kalina

that's awfully optimistic of you

AviD

yes yes, of course, I am always awful.

kalina

it's a little unexpected, I was expecting snark or just a more obvious putdown

AviD

10:31

so, now I am (1)awful, (2) little, (3) unexpected, (4) obvious.

jeez, try to say something nice, and look what happens. :-(

better? ;-)

kalina

11:10

the silence said it all I think

AviD

the more I learn about Android Intents, the more I realize the less I knew.

it looks like it was designed by a college student as a midterm project.

kalina

it probably was?

AviD

11:25

damn, that's harsh.

AviD

12:04

also, apparently that college student hadn't learned the basic industry terminology.

ferchrissake, it took me a while to understand that android "service" is not a service at all.

kalina

I'm still disappointed that the picture you posted made me laugh

I feel it's missing sales and support, though

Rory Alsop

12:21

Morning

Or afternoon @kalina

Finally installed cod blops last night, after a couple of hours going through the 6 cd's and then another 5 hours downloading the update

Might get to play it next weekend

kalina

your own fault for buying a physical copy

it's actually evening

David Freitag

12:39

Dude grub is awesome

Although I did just realize that I wrote about a thousand lines of assembly only to find that I didn't need to.

RoraΖ

Good morning

David Freitag

@RoraΖ o/

RoraΖ

\o

kalina

@RoraΖ no, not particularly

also g'day

kalina

13:30

lol

I just fired up Fallout 4

suddenly got 9 people messaging me

David Freitag

@kalina Oooo, I wish I had the money/time for that :O

kalina

I have both of those things

David Freitag

TBH I do too, I just can't be bothered.

kalina

I also have enough careface left to give it a go until completion or boredom

think I'll skip hatdash this year and just do some fallout spam while playing it

spend the holidays fully capitalizing on my position

and then have february off to play deus ex

David Freitag

Skip hatdash?!

kalina

13:40

works in my favor, hatdash just causes me trouble

David Freitag

@kalina If you're going to do that you'd better take it to completion ;]

kalina

I can't watch everybody else "testing to the system" to find hats without doing it myself and whenever I do it SE spot me and exclusively me

@DavidFreitag pls, I'm simply going to try and earn the same as what I've earned in the last 51 weeks in the space of a few days

David Freitag

@kalina Oh come now, I was only trying to make a quick and dirty sex joke.

kalina

I knew that, I ignored the fact

RoraΖ

@DavidFreitag You only know how to make it quick?

David Freitag

13:48

@RoraΖ Hahaha, let's be honest. I don't know how to make it at all.

kalina

pretty sure I've passed my procrastinate on the internet quota for this month

David Freitag

@kalina Shoot some deathclaws for me \o

kalina

I'm going to shoot deathclaws because they give experience, I'm not following your orders, this isn't a patriarchy.

you have no power

etc

RoraΖ

This is a dictatorship

David Freitag

@kalina Well good, it wasn't an order, it was a request. Also a "good luck" was implied (even though we all know you do not need it)

RoraΖ

13:52

I've never played any of the Fallout series

kalina

I don't luck, I have conveniant quicksave/quickload bindings

David Freitag

@RoraΖ Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

kalina

er... I mean...

I'm an unstoppable force of nature! No power in the 'verse can stop me!

RoraΖ

@DavidFreitag hahaha well played

David Freitag

@kalina Except antimatter. Unless you have a powerful magnetic field, meatbag.

kalina

13:55

I exist across multiple planes of existence, I wouldn't expect your simple mind to be able to comprehend

David Freitag

Negative. I am meat popsicle.

RoraΖ

14:25

@DavidFreitag Meat chucker

JukEboX

14:39

Morning gang

Or perhaps Good Morning @RoraΖ

RoraΖ

Good morning

Reading about this vulnerability that no one seems to care about.

foxglovesecurity.com/2015/11/06/…

JukEboX

14:55

Can't get there from work. Give me the jist

David Freitag

Heh, I just realized that the x86-64 instruction pointer register is called "rip"

AviD

@DavidFreitag awww you miss @000 Simon too...

RoraΖ

@JukEboX Remote code execution by unserializing unknown user input in the Java Core Common library.

AviD

@RoraΖ of course no one cares about it, I mean who would misuse that?

David Freitag

@RoraΖ Yaaaaaay more Java exploits (unsurprised)

RoraΖ

14:57

@AviD Probably nobody

AviD

besides, it is central to the Java philosophy, ergo its not a bug.

David Freitag

@AviD I do. That had better be a supar modping.

AviD

now it is.

I hope I got the right one...

David Freitag

@AviD I think all pings to him from now on should be modpings until he comes back.

@AviD You mean you can't track him down with your mod powas?

AviD

dont need powas, those would fail

turns out there are several users by the creative name of @000

@000 Siiiiiimmmmoooooonnn we miss your donuts

David Freitag

15:03

I think @kalina has his email. We should bribe her to pass a message along.

kalina

why would I have Simon's email?

do you even mod?

@AviD do you not even know how to superping?

ironic with the amount of abuse

M'vy

I think he is trying to do two things at once

or three

AviD

always

what?

M'vy

super pinging - pretty printing - abusing

David Freitag

@kalina I dunno I figured you shared music or something.

kalina

15:06

@AviD @@id

@DavidFreitag Simon doesn't even like me, why on earth would I communicate with him outside of SE?

AviD

@kalina or @ @ username.

M'vy

@kalina that's what he did.

AviD

since I dont really bother looking for user's id.

kalina

@M'vy ids are unique, duplicate usernames would not be an issue that he had experienced...

M'vy

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/25273736/history

David Freitag

15:07

@AviD It's 79519

RoraΖ

@kalina Apparently threatening flag abuse brings ALL of the mods

AviD

@DavidFreitag yes, thats what I meant. I had to go check.

kalina

@RoraΖ I'm unsure what this is relating to

RoraΖ

@kalina When I got banned by some other mod from a completely different site for no reason.

David Freitag

@RoraΖ You mean when you got banned by @JohnP?

kalina

15:09

@RoraΖ I had figured some kind of context of what you were trying to say but I do not believe that was a conversation we were currently having

David Freitag

Or was he the one that unbanned you?

JukEboX

@kalina is back \o/ Hi!

RoraΖ

@DavidFreitag No he banned me, and @RoryAlsop unbanned me.

@kalina I was just implying that flagging abuse also acts as a supermodping

kalina

it wasn't even that he banned you, he then continued acting like the big guy and started on me

@RoraΖ no superping is a mod function to ping a user who isn't in chat

it results in a notification in their inbox

David Freitag

@RoraΖ Nonono, spuarmodping pings a user, not every mod everywhere

kalina

15:12

it's a distinct thing to "getting loads of mods in here"

inb4

David Freitag

@kalina Also in an email IIRC

RoraΖ

@kalina Oohhhh gotcha

Well supermodping should be a thing for users

JukEboX

Do you guys even use IRC caht?

David Freitag

@RoraΖ We really should, because there isn't really a way to communicate with someone who doesn't go into chat

M'vy

@JukEboX why do you ask ?

JukEboX

15:18

@M'vy because I have been itching to go back into it but don't really have anhone who actually uses it

M'vy

I still do.

JukEboX

@M'vy what server are you on?

M'vy

mostly freenode

kalina

@JukEboX "itching"

you should seek some therapy for that

M'vy

and I gateway onto my slack rooms too

David Freitag

15:19

@kalina Or perhaps some prescription strength ointments.

JukEboX

It's been a good number of years but the nostalgia is kicking in

Hi @DavidFreitag :)

kalina

you're not missing much

David Freitag

@JukEboX o/

kalina

the bulk of the functionality is replicated here and who really needs to be typing commands in

that's so 90s

JohnP

@kalina Wow, you do hold a grudge.

JukEboX

15:32

@JohnP that is her ode Du jour

RoraΖ

15:42

@kalina I'd go with an ointment

JukEboX

@kalina is applying it? LO

kalina

@JohnP first impressions and all that

Xander

16:25

Did you know there's a cryptographer named "Thomas Peyrin?" I'm not sure if I should be amused or suspicious.

Lighty

Welcome back @kalina

Rory Alsop

16:43

@kalina that was faster than trying to download it

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Scotland needs to do what some island in the USA did and setup their own wireless ISP.

kalina

@RoryAlsop poor you :(

David Freitag

Also, the new and improved USB Killer is back (by popular demand) indiegogo.com/projects/usb-killer--2#/story

kalina

I wouldn't be able to prevent myself from plugging it into every USB port I came across

David Freitag

That's kinda the idea

Iszi

17:07

@Xander Proof that we need a button for "vote to close as patently absurd".

JukEboX

LLunch time!

Xander

17:23

@Iszi I'd probably use that option every single day.

JukEboX

@Xander were you in a PM with @Iszi or is my chat not showing anything?

David Freitag

@JukEboX I think you might have him on ignore

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag has he been talking? According to my user list he isn't ignored

SEJPM

26 mins ago, by Iszi

@Xander Proof that we need a button for "vote to close as patently absurd".

JukEboX

Weird he isn't ignored and I can't see him talking

That happens a lot in here for different people

Iszi

17:37

We Ran out of CD Space + LYRICS [Official] by PSYCHOSTICK

►

Am I the only one who practically can't resist making my thumb roar when that line comes up?

Iszi

19:09

Damn. Psychostick killed the chat?

SEJPM

@Iszi stop killing the chat #pls

Iszi

@SEJPM #pls? WTF? Is that you, @Simon?

Lucas Kauffman

> C is a programming language for turning low-level byte arrays into security advisories.

SEJPM

@Iszi there's no @Simon any longer :( and I'm not @Simon although the "#pls" fitted optimally here :)

Rоry McCune

Evnin' All

SEJPM

19:20

@LucasKauffman source of this wisdom?

@RоryMcCune Evnin

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Mind the canonical time zone. Afternoon.

Rоry McCune

@Iszi I'm in GMT +2 at the moment so it's clearly Evening :)

Iszi

@RоryMcCune No, all that says is you're clearly two hours ahead of GMT.

SEJPM

@Iszi Is the canonical time zone UTC?

Rоry McCune

@SEJPM yes yes it us

it's just that some of the US'ians are a touch deluded on that point

Iszi

19:21

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A: The Memes of Information Security

Meme: Canonical Time Zone Originator: Unknown Cultural Height: Early 2011 Background: American hubris on the part of our East cost users resulted in blanket declarations that EDT/EST (UTC-4/5) would be considered the de facto timezone of The DMZ. This was brought upon by inconsistent time of d...

SEJPM

@RоryMcCune well, I'm at GMT +2 as well, so evening :)

Rоry McCune

@SEJPM indeed!, I'm usually straight GMT, but this week I'm enjoying the delights of Helsinki

SEJPM

@Iszi that would mean, I'd have to convert my time into UTC-4, so nope.

@RоryMcCune isn't it sunsetting up there at like 3pm?

Iszi

@SEJPM Well, I'm sure as hell not converting mine to DMZ+4.

SEJPM

@Iszi DMZ+6 please

Rоry McCune

19:24

@SEJPM yeah it gets dark relatively early

Iszi

Seriously, where the hell is @Simon? Trying to fit a mom joke in here ain't the same without him.

SEJPM

@RоryMcCune 4:06pm apparently :O

wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sunset+helsinki&dataset=

Lucas Kauffman

@SEJPM a friend posted this

JukEboX

20:31

I love readin the Rory one

Rory Alsop

21:12

@DavidFreitag 1 mile up the road they have over 100Mb... Across the railway, where t'other Rory lived they have 40Mb

SO.. Music has officially graduated. You can tell, because the election is on :-)

music.stackexchange.com/election

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Said because you can't tell by site design these days?

Nate Kerkhofs

21:49

@RoryAlsop Did you manage to get CODBLOPS to work?

David Freitag

dumbcuneiform.com

JohnP

@Xander What is the significance of the name?

Rory Alsop

@Iszi correct - design comes after graduation now

David Freitag

@JohnP Our fabled @ThomasPornin, of course.

Rory Alsop

@nate - the download bit took so long I'm now not going to get a chance to play until Sunday at the earliest

David Freitag

22:01

@RoryAlsop I wouldn't get your hopes up anyway, I have heard the PC version is complete crap

Totally unoptimized and it runs like a pig

Nate Kerkhofs

@DavidFreitag Knowing the PC version, he might not be able to play on Sunday since he'll need all day to patch the game on his conn

JohnP

@DavidFreitag Ah, ok. I don't know the users here.

Nate Kerkhofs

At least the patch isn't bigger than the game itself, like the players of the latest Tony Hawk game experienced

David Freitag

LOL

How is that even freaking possible?

JohnP

Heh. I am amused: security.stackexchange.com/questions/33470/…

830 upvotes and someone thought "Hey, 100 bonus rep is a good idea"

Nate Kerkhofs

22:17

@JohnP I especially like the comment "we go for strong primes, not 666". To have a strong prime in the cryptographic sense, we need many orders of magnitudes more users.

We currently have about 65K users on the security SE, which is about 16 bits. cryptographically strong primes are usually hundreds of bits

JohnP

argh. trying to learn networking is confusing the crap out of me.

David Freitag

@JohnP What about it is confusing?

JohnP

networking.

Just ordered this book, hopefully it will help.

David Freitag

@JohnP All of networking confuses you?

JohnP

They are adding networking guys under my management umbrella, so I figure I should at least know enough that I don't drool on myself when they start talking.

@DavidFreitag Kind of, yeah. Other than some classes in college more than a few years ago, I've never really had to work with it.

David Freitag

22:27

@JohnP And so presumably you are being forced to work with it now?

JohnP

@DavidFreitag Forced? No. Personally driven? Yes.

@DavidFreitag Actually, confusing is a bad word. I've never worked directly with it, so I find the learning curve daunting.

David Freitag

@JohnP As with most things in the world of technology the learning curve is a bit intense

David Freitag

22:42

32

Q: Why does this invalid-looking code compile successfully on g++ 6.0?

Consider this strange program (See live demo here & here): int main() { int(*){} Is it C++14 or any other language? } Even though the comment // is missing, the code compiles fine without any errors & warnings even when I use -pedantic-errorsoptions in g++ 6.0. This seems compiler bug to m...

Weeeeeeeeird

TRiG

Your secret handshake must contain five fist-bumps.

Must Contain One Uppercase Letter

►

Thomas Pornin

23:23

@Xander I know him. He's a very good cryptographer. I beat him at a pizza eating contest in 2010.

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Rory Alsop

@NateKerkhofs the patch was a six hour download. If it hadn't been for that I'd have played it the other night

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Six hours? Man, your internet must really suck.

Rory Alsop

Well, yeah, also my kids all watch YouTube streams...

@ThomasPornin who's going to try and beat a bear at eating anything? Dude sounds crazy.

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Iszi

23:38

@RoryAlsop How crazy, really? Like, Gibson crazy or McAfee crazy?

Speaking of McAfee, what's this about him running for president? Something about a Cyber Party? 'Cause that's just what politics needs - its own "Cyber-" thing.

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