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00:08
@DavidFreitag >not wearing shoes on your dick
filthy casual
@TildalWave 20 already? Incredibles
grats on the gold badge, etc
00:25
yeah I didn't yet get it
but thanks
Can I ask you to start descriptions capitalized? It kinda looks untidy if there's later capitalized acronyms or multiple sentences. And please don't rewrite parts that explain the acronym used in tag name. That short description displays on tag hover, complete wiki only if you click on "learn more". I think that having a handy explanation for acronyms is helpful.
BTW why is there no "accept and edit" and "reject and edit" buttons with tag wiki suggested edits? They're there for all other suggested edits.
or maybe they are available only to 20k users?
actually, come to think of it, I don't remember seeing them on space either
 
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04:32
@DavidFreitag what do you do?
 
2 hours later…
> Jack Deneut is the founder of Zendo, an encrypted messaging service.
Ooookay. Never use Zendo, it was clearly designed by an incompetent nincompoop.
07:18
Ah, Zendo is a "Secure Mobile Messenger using OTP Encryption (iOS/Android)". Yeah.... right.
...exchange a unique virtual keyring, a.k.a a one-time-pad for you cryptography buffs...
Any OTP that can be exchanged via QR code is not going to contain sufficient random data for any nontrival amount of data exchange.
So I'm going to go out on a limb and posit that these "one time pads" don't actually contain truly random data, but rather the seed for a PRNG.
...and then the hilarity ensues.
Is casein linked to cancer or am I too deep into tinfoil hat territory?
Everything is linked to cancer. Same planet. There's your link.
no that's too much in the other extreme
@Flyk "linked to ____" has no meaning. It's weasel words.
is what you say when you have no facts to support your opinion.
oh
@tylerl is linked to happiness
OH
I see what you mean
another negative reason to not consume milk would have probably been sufficient for the remainder of my last new years resolution of not consuming such things
07:36
Good morning all !
G'Morning @M'vy and all :)
@Flyk see the recovery from jetlag is taking its time :op
hardly
I've been up for hours and have already completed my run
which nearly killed me after not doing that for a couple of weeks
@Flyk that's kind a what I was meaning, looks like you were about till well late and then up early :)
@Flyk I never really got into running, a nice walk is better
well apparently sleeping for 14 hours a day is linked to an early death
so I limit myself to 6.5 hours
at least until I fail at that
and then I'll just accept the early death
@Flyk I did not know that
I usually shoot for 8
and roughly hit the mark most of the time
07:48
@RоryMcCune apparently it's <6 >8
with >8 being far worse than <6
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Q: zendo data size restrictions

mulllhausenzendo is a new mobile phone app which encrypts messages using a one-time pad: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/24/one-time-pads-ride-again/ users have to meet in person and exchange a key via a qr code. the one-time pad data is then initialized on both phones using this key to make a secure transf...

@Flyk weird how medical advice changes over time, a while back it was "make sure you get at least 8 hours of sleep"
so apparently he's bad at marketing too: six months ago, he was touting OTP as a security feature
maybe now he's dissing OTP because he's been exposed as not using it
your discussion on information security is off topic here
this room is for talking about ponies and spear based warfare
also cakes
and @simon's mom
@RоryMcCune wut, I found 2. And that was after a discussion at the time... Though for the record, I still stand by it. whats wrong with budget? It is definitely a non-negligible factor in security management.
@Flyk you mean donuts
right, I need a quick summary of everything that happened here since Sunday night. Go.
07:52
@AviD I just said you added it to the Q which I asked which had the tag, which you did :)
@RоryMcCune you said most
actually your word was "multiple"
so I guess "2" does count as "multiple"
@AviD I was exaggerating for comic effect :)
@RоryMcCune I'm not clear on that concept.
@AviD stick around then, it happens all the time in here
@RоryMcCune like @Simon's mom?
07:54
@AviD and doughnuts
wait, those are exaggerated, or those happen all the time in here?
because neither of those are exaggerated, and donuts dont happen often enough
@AviD depends on your desired waist line I'd suggest
@RоryMcCune is that referring to the donuts, or to @Simon's mom?
wait, is donuts the explanation for @Simon's mom??
DID @SIMON'S MOM EAT AAAAALLLL THE DONUTS???
@AviD I was referring to Doughnuts, your relationship with @Simon 's mother and its affect on your waistline is your concert :op
@RоryMcCune exaggerating is usually for my comic effect
"that's not 10 inches, it's more like 6, go back to school"
08:02
shouldnt that be "comedic effect"?
I don't care for your semantics
I have a list of things for you to consider, actually
no doubt you'll find plenty of reasons not to but I figured I'd try it once anyway
merge + synonym [tag:sso] into [tag:single-sign-on]
merge + synonym [tag:bot] into [tag:botnet]
merge + synonym [tag:nsa] into [tag:government]
merge + synonym [tag:risk] into [tag:risk-analysis]
merge [tag:awareness] into [tag:user-education]
merge + synonym [tag:end-user] into [tag:user-education]
merge + synonym [tag:devops] into [tag:operations]
merge + synonym [tag:syn] into [tag:tcp]
merge [tag:algorithm] into [tag:hash] (some questions need algorithm removing first, [some need a new tag](http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/31000/does-chaos-theory-have-any-practical-application-in-computer-security))
merge + synonym [tag:upgrades] into [tag:patching]
merge + synonym [tag:rdp] into [tag:remote-desktop] (unless you're keeping it split for the individual protocols but then 'remote-desktop' *is* RDP, there is [tag:rdesktop] for rdesktop, for example)
merge + synonym [tag:federation] with [tag:authentication]

query [tag:third-party] - everybody is a third party on the internet
query [tag:passwords] and [tag:credentials] - same thing, no?
query [tag:international] - this doesn't need to exist, everybody is international to someone, it has no context that can't be explained in the body of the question
tags to remove [tag:budget] [tag:install] [tag:mutual] [tag:time] [tag:requirements] [tag:design-flaw] [tag:reconnaissance] [tag:wildcard] [tag:exposure] [tag:export] [tag:hardware] (hardware means like half the questions on the site, you don't have "software" because it would be silly...) [tag:banks] [tag:protection] [tag:timestamp] [tag:desktop] [tag:tools] [tag:plugins]

does [tag:office] relate to Microsoft Office?
does [tag:custom-scheme] relate to roll your own crypto?
looks like the mod team have some work to do today to justify their inordinate salaries !
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more liekly they'll go "oh x doesn't mean y" without looking at the usage and seeing that both tags are used on basically the same set of questions to mean the same thing
and spend the time arguing I'm stupid and uneducated rather than realizing what I'm actually saying
I should keep my thoughts to myself
@Flyk I just realised that your top rated question on this site has 20+ more upvotes than mine!
@RоryMcCune my top rated answer on this site had 30+ more upvotes than any other answer I've ever posted
which is disappointing
08:16
tl;dr
that's fine, I'd expect nothing more from you
besides, all the tag changes should go into @M'vy's meta post for discussion, consideration, and community effort.
#careface
you have the list, do what you want with it
@AviD we should really think how to get that rolling BTW
"yeah it's only been 6 months"
08:17
but ftr bloody hell I agree with most of those emphatically.
maybe if you had somebody motivated enough to actually do the work for you
@M'vy TIME
which you don't, that wasn't an offer
so can anyone do tag changes?
or is it only moddy types?
@Flyk oo good call. Bribe you with donuts?
@Flyk dammit
08:17
18 secs ago, by Flyk
which you don't, that wasn't an offer
Does anyone know if latest browsers work for XSS via GIF images?
seriously though, that chat message will get lost, just post it into the meta please, and it WILL be dealt with (eventually)
also, tag merges are best done by a mod, since it doesn't result in bumps to the front page
@AviD no
I don't do meta
it's a waste of my time
especially your meta because everybody assumes I'm wrong by default
which is definitely not worth my time
@Flyk no you're wrong! oh.... wait
@1lastBr3ath I wouldn't expect that to work, although I have no detailed confirmation of that, as the problem used to occur from content-sniffing which is inherently dangerous and most/all browsers have stopped doing it
08:20
@Flyk cmon, I said please
@AviD do it yourself
@Flyk its OUR meta
its like, persistent chat
nope, yours
So, that's why it's not working anymore :(
@1lastBr3ath browsers are getting better at security generally, so old tricks tend to fall by the way-side
08:21
@RоryMcCune yeah especially for things like GIFAR
I've been stuck trying it again & again, but it won't work anymore ..
um
Thank! I guess, that was the answer to my question :)
@M'vy hey @M'vy, can YOU please dump that list of tags into your meta q?
say no
there's no reason that he couldn't do it himself
hell, there's no reason that in the amount of time he's been trying to get somebody else to do it that he couldn't have merged all of those tags
it's just SE moderators being SE moderators
One more question, can I bypass it any how?
@AviD I'll try do something about it. @Flyk I actually care about this project I guess
08:23
@1lastBr3ath use an old browser
I mean, if it's doing it via HTTP response header, I can strip the header off and make it work, can't I?
@Flyk
@Flyk hey now, no need to get mean
anybody with that much punctuation in their username is definitely up to no good
@Flyk I'm just trying if I could make it work in newer browsers, by striping header or directly.
@M'vy that's not fair, I care enough to spend hours of my life going through the list, I just don't care enough to fight the system for people to do anything with it
08:25
@Flyk Not a personal attack. I appreciate the effort :)
@1lastBr3ath I don't believe the purpose of this channel is to help you exploit a computer system
@RоryMcCune any idea?
@Flyk I guess I do care to fight the system :))
@Flyk I am not the system, and you dont need to fight me.
@Flyk Sorry, I just didn't find any associated chhanel, that's why.
08:26
on the other hand, I DO need to fight my schedule.
competing demands on my very limited time.
@M'vy I fought, got told "it's not worth their time", and that's now my default response to any kind of resistance
@AviD as I usually state in the instance any "volunteer" moderator uses the time argument, "maybe you should resign so somebody with time to do the role you volunteered for can actually do the role you volunteered for"
@Flyk There are no rules that can't be revised.
I'm probably an optimistic person :)
anyway this is going downhill
back... whenever
08:28
@1lastBr3ath nothing immediately springs to mind I'm afraid
@Flyk o/
yeah I gotta go test stuff :)
@Flyk meh, I like my hat
@Flyk your idea of tags do merge do show that you're uneducated, and the fact that you insist that you're right shows that you're stupid or evil
(figure a proper retort would just be ignored anyway)
Nice one @Gilles, jump in with the insults
08:30
@Gilles or that she assumed everyone else is stupid or evil
Stack Exchange moderators are the biggest bunch of assholes I've ever had the displeasure of exposing myself to
which, of course, is an evil form of stupidity.
and if you're going to ban me, make it long term
@AviD but then why would she post that, if not to be evil?
(and a pretty stupid form of evilness...)
08:30
otherwise jog on you waste of space
you're the uneducated one who still believes I am a troll
^ Does it seriously works like this somewhere in the world?
@Flyk hey hey, @Gilles is the educated one that still thinks you're a troll. Me, I am the uneducated one.
@M'vy too long to read right now... but I actually did do a deep dig on ATM pin codes. Dont remember the terminology they use for it, but I do remember some of the class breaks.
08:47
@AviD Well I just remembered that smart-cards are not widely used around the world
wait, what? no, just the first few paragraphs seem wrong.
@M'vy yeah, there is that
@AviD no, he's the "educated" one who came to a conclusion on me based upon gaming's mods and then openly admitted he can't reverse it because claiming not to be a troll is what a troll would do
no "educated" individual forms opinions based off the opinions of others
@Flyk its true, most trolls would claim to not be a troll.
Sometimes they even believe it.
If a troll, admits to being a troll, is that a meta-troll?
and what would you call a troll that only trolls trolls?
A troll troll troll?
it's an interesting discussion to have, I'm just not interested in having it
THESE QUESTIONS MUST BE ANSWERED
08:52
I know I'm not a troll, and therefore anybody who has made that conclusion is wrong
@Flyk I think the word your thinking of is "scientific". One might be only educated in the opinions of others.
1 min ago, by AviD
Sometimes they even believe it.
unproofed.
@Flyk As I said, there is no rule that can't be revised. :)
note that I am not saying you ARE a troll. just that you knowing it is not proof.
@AviD this is not a good path
heh.
08:54
anybody who has made that conclusion without forming their own opinion isn't even worth paying attention to
@Flyk and I am not saying otherwise
any sensible and respectable being that has come to that conclusion on their own, I'd like to have a long and private chat with those individuals to find out how and why
I am simply being overly pedantic at your choice of words
but I haven't found any of those people yet as far as I'm aware
a mild form of trolling, if you will
08:55
I am done justifying my existence to you people, though, believe what you will
@Flyk NOBODY HERE HAS EVER ASKED YOU TO
@Flyk That logic is so extremely flawed. "You can't be innocent, because that is what those guilty would say". It's also what the innocent would say...
@Arperum stop sucking up
@Arperum well this is from the person who just called me uneducated
you can just disregard everything he says as moronic
@AviD I am not sucking up. Or not actively trying to. I'm not saying anything about if she is innocent or not. I'm sure that at some point there was actual trolling going on. Doesn't mean someone is always trolling.
09:04
I think that anybody on SE calling another person a troll is a massive hypocrite anyway
but now we're digressing
@Flyk did you just call @Arperum FAT???
I'm still waiting for this ban... maybe he's lost his balls in addition to his mind
@Flyk who is banning you?
that's the normal next step, I say something, a mod comes in force factor 15 with insults, I explode, I get banned
pffft
and how many times has that happened to you HERE?
09:07
I'm here to avoid that group of people
and then I would ask, how many times did you deserve it ;-)
@Flyk well then dont you forget that
@AviD deserving is contextual, publicly it looks like I'm banned for telling a mod to suck a dick but in actual fact this is usually after being kicked from chat for no reason 20-30 times
so who is "wrong"?
@Flyk usually it's @Simon
@AviD I rarely blame him, when he's not spamming pls or yolo he's a nice guy
@Flyk thats exactly why we pick on him
09:10
well it's not nice
yknow what they say, nice guys finish first.
@Flyk oh pls
;-)
nope, I've run out of fight
moving to plan N
definitely involves re-re-valuating the amount of time I spend here
you know I'm only here right now because if I were to disappear the rories would insist I visit on a regular basis
I did ask them to stop caring to make it easier for me to leave
maybe @Gilles could manipulate this situation to get what he wants?
like normal
I think some people don't realize I've seen the full TL transcript and know the dirty games they play in private
anyway, to the noise generation room
@Flyk naptime?
 
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10:35
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Q: Why is the brain white?

haxkalibrrI have read many articles about how the brain is the most power-hungry organ in any living complex organism, requiring about 70% of it's oxygen supplies in the resting state. Since the usual medium of oxygen delivery is through respiration, this should mean that a lot of blood is supplied to (a...

Clearly, that user hasn't sniffed enough paint.
10:52
@Flyk or just block the annoying people and hang out with the rest of us :)
@RоryMcCune I try
@Flyk \o/
we should have a new room motto
ERINSWAN
"Elder Rory Is Nice So We Are Nice"
or a new room
given that I've very rarely seen the Elder Rory get angry with anyone
@Flyk yeah moving room always risks losing people who you'd rather not lose
@RоryMcCune as long as it loses all the people I do want to lose, it would still be a win
10:56
@Flyk :) well there's only a couple (AFAIK) so blocking may be effective ..
well I don't want to talk about it
@RоryMcCune cmon man, I am RIGHT here.
@Flyk hokay lets talk monitors, you considered going 4/5K yet?
@AviD :op
@RоryMcCune did you see @codinghorror's post on going 3x4K?
@AviD guess why I'm interested in this topic today ....
10:59
@RоryMcCune no, I'm fine with 1920x1080
ahhh ofc
more pixels would need more power to drive them and Windows doesn't scale very well to extremely high dpi screens
@Flyk yeah I'm hoping Win10 helps with that
it doesn't match up very well with my usage requirements of "silent pc"
@Flyk no... indeed not. the GCard requirements for 4/5K are nuts
11:00
@RоryMcCune no, Windows 10 is more interested in fitting on smaller screens, not larger ones
@Flyk ahh I thought they'd done some work on hiDPI displays as well in general
which could've helped with the 4/5K thing
having a quick google, as I don't have recent experience with 4k on Windows 10, there's lots of talk of how they're going to fix it and then not a single comment of how they fixed it
to be fair, the screenshots provided just look like the DPI screen from older versions
so it's unlikely to be an actual fix that doesn't break a bunch of other stuff
yeah there's some apps that don't like any scaling, Chrome was one for a while
@Flyk BTW this is the article that got me onto that train of thought blog.codinghorror.com/our-brave-new-world-of-4k-displays/
there is some tech-toy driven part of me that thinks 3x4K 27" monitors would be v. cool in portrait mode
with thin enough bezels
but that would need monster GCards (likely 2 of 'em) and cost a small fortune
dang now I'm wanting that
salivating
I was just planning to expand my monitor count, but was planing on regular high-res monitors. now it seems shameful to not go 4K.
@AviD heh. 4k is nice, but hard to power
11:09
@AviD yeah problem is needs beefier graphics cards.. vicious cycle
@JourneymanGeek well that's spoiled now :op
Spelling misteak
I think my upgrades cost close to... 2 grand local
@RоryMcCune yeah.... I guess that purchase(s) will have to wait, its a pricey bunch.
800 quid on the monitor, 900 + for a 980ti
(the 980ti is a smarter buy than a titan, but still pricy as heck)
@JourneymanGeek thats the same one codinghorror went for - and the one I was considering-not-considering.
@AviD: heh. Atwood and I have wierdly similar taste in hardware
even if I didn't quite go for the 3x korean monitor combo
11:11
it's not weird. You just have expensive taste.
I went with a dell tho
@JourneymanGeek oh that was absolutely a good recommendation there. I didnt quite go for 3 of them, but the monitor choice was spot on.
@AviD: couldn't afford it at the time
I quite literally was making 300 quid a month for the last decade or so ;p
I am thiking of getting another one, since I cant spend enough now for 4K's + GPU...
@JourneymanGeek but its much cheaper than the dell!
@AviD: two reasons, shorter waiting, and I wanted the best I could ;p
@AviD: heh. I was working for my parents...
(Current job pays about 7-8 times as much)
(well, I built a core i7 based rig with 16gb of ram on that... ;p)
11:15
only thing I generally disagree with codinghorror about (besides affordability, natch) is audio - I really dont need quality audio, since I barely hear the difference anyway. I need bottom of midrange - and that soudns the same to me as top range.
@AviD: eventually I may get one of those korean displays as a second monitor
@AviD: I'm a bit of a snob about audio...
and I agree
@JourneymanGeek I am a snob about most those things, but when it comes to audio I simply cannot hear the fine differences. Blame it on my artillery service...
But then again, the speakers I use right now might be old enough to drink, cost about the same as a good pint new, and prolly could be used to beat a man to death.
(for serious listening, I have a decent pair of headphones)
raz
raz
Buy when buying a computer if you go for the mega awesome sound card... you better have a solid pair of headphones to back it up.
Otherwise it's not worth it.
I usually go with onboard sound :-(
and when it comes to headphones, I care more about comfort than anything else.
as long as I can crank up the volume....
11:18
@AviD nothing wrong with that
raz
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You can't half ass audio, you have to make sure you have good quality all round to hear a difference. While splurging for the latest graphics card is generally worth it.
@raz that still depends on having a decent or better monitor.
Lol. Mine are comfy, sound good and are easy to drive.
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@AviD Yeah but generally todays monitors are all solid and relatively cheap to 10 years.
@raz cheap Chinese headphone amp + an m audio fastrack for music :p
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11:20
@JourneymanGeek See I'm never sure if I need a headphone amp or not. I have AudioTechnica ATH-AD700's.
@raz I still see people buying crappy TN displays. and 1080p and less is still the most common.
raz
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But no idea if I'll hear a difference with an amp or not.
Audio's the next major upgrades I wanna do
raz
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@AviD you can get a $200 Samsung that will look amazing with a new graphics card.
@JourneymanGeek it's a slow process for me. I just bought a Denon AV Receiver as my latest upgrade.
@raz and yet, people still buying 80$ TN displays.
11:22
@raz it was something like 50 quid. Uses the same amp decent soundcard do, slightly fancy passives , and 2 inputs and a volume knob
raz
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@AviD I've never seen those displays, are they pretty crappy?
@raz I want new speakers
@raz to be clear, I dont disagree, noone should be buying anything less. Doesnt mean they dont.
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@JourneymanGeek That's the next thing on my list
@raz yes you have - think back 10 years.
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11:23
@AviD This is true
even less...
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@AviD lol
hell I think its only been like 5-6 years since I've got off TN.
no, 3.
M audio makes a pair that ticks all my buttons. Not available locally and there's a newer model I'm waiting on the wirecutter to review.
@AviD my old monitor was 1600 x 800
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@JourneymanGeek Yeah I was looking into M-audio a little while back
11:26
Was cheap, not too small at 20 inches and God I do not miss it.
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@raz AV 40 or 42 is what I was pondering.
raz
raz
Those 42's look awesome, but haven't read any reviews yet
Yup. That and brokeness in terms of fun money are why I don't own a pair :p
raz
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I'm also looking at new surround sound speakers.
Pioneer seems to be the best bang for buck in my price range.
@AviD with a qualifier.
And I was broke. Now I'm being sensible with money. :p
Anyway I'll stop. Unless I find myself living under a bridge with WiFi :p
11:54
I'm so broke? That feels like terrible english
Like I would say: "Ok I'm went now"
That's "broke" as in "out of money", not "broke" as in "past tense of break".

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