The DMZ

JukEboX

18:03

@etherealflux \o/ Thank god. I was getting bored.

fails:

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Q: How to prevent sharing my Internet by Bluetooth tethering?

If my neighbor - who I have allowed to connect to my router - is sharing my internet by Bluetooth tethering, is there a way to prevent anyone from sharing my internet this way without cut him off?

bluetooth

Rory Alsop

Evenin'

Only popped in briefly before the gym - and now I have a big grin from this evening's transcript. Good work, you Sec.SE lot

JukEboX

@RoryAlsop byes

@Simon what's the prereq for sex.se?

Simon

Being a human being.

JukEboX

@Simon I need an invite ?

Simon

No.

JukEboX

18:15

Says set for private

Rоry McCune

@JukEboX it's in private beta which means only people who were involved in the proposal can participate

once it hits public beta it'll be opened up AFAIK

Simon

My donut made an account without an invite.

JukEboX

@Simon oh. :/

@raz great answer on the Android app question. Going hard for that Rep:P

etherealflux

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A: How to prevent sharing my Internet by Bluetooth tethering?

Bluetooth does not create a strong internet signal so anyone connecting to it would have to pair to his device that is tethered. And they would have to be in a 60 foot radius of that device in most cases. I don't think there is anything on your home consumer based router that will allow you to bl...

wat

what do you mean by filtering?

ain't gonna do much to stop the tethering

Rоry McCune

I take it you music lovin' Nurdz saw this

WHEN U TROLL THE ENTIRE CROWD.

►

Simon

18:22

old

JukEboX

Lol

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah I know it's like 32 days back

Simon

In Internet time, a month is about 70 years.

JukEboX

@etherealflux took that part out

I read it a different way

@Simon the internet runs on beats not years

raz

@JukEboX I just give as complete answers as I can. Lots of my answers only get +1 with the same amount of effort.

David Freitag

18:31

@JukEboX Apparently so.

raz

@JukEboX But thanks!

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag yay!

@raz way better than anything I have written outside of parenting.se

etherealflux

@JukEboX Ah, gotcha

raz

To any server admins out there, is there such a thing as "Firewall timing rules". Where if a certain connection isn't established in a set period of time it'll get dropped?

JukEboX

@etherealflux I thought he wanted to connect the Bluetooth device to the router with Bluetooth enabled.

@raz yes I believe their is.

raz

18:33

@JukEboX You'll get there

@JukEboX Have any links?

JukEboX

@raz basic windows firewall rules or third party?

raz

Any OS/device

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop musixmatch.com/artist/MetalTech might be of interest, you could add lyrics :) I found it as it's integrated with the Spotify client now...

JukEboX

@raz I know you could with Sygate. Let me see what else I can find

Herringbone_Cat

@raz pretty much every enterprise router, or iptables, lets you set packet timeouts. Default is typically 30 seconds.

JukEboX

18:36

@raz here is one for Cisco PIX supportforums.cisco.com/discussion/10415841/…

raz

@Herringbone_Cat Yeah I guess packet timeouts are more what I'm looking for.

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Does anyone still run a cisco PIX? :)

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat My last job did

Rоry McCune

@Herringbone_Cat ASAs are pretty common in a lot of co's I've seen

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat your in here? Awesome. Thanks for help with the Bluetooth question. I read the question wrong :/

raz

18:37

@Herringbone_Cat No one updates their routers

JukEboX

@raz unless you want to use something like a packet shaper

etherealflux

Just drop all connections and send back a Christmas tree packet

raz

You'll still see Cisco routers running iOS 12 out there. Old hardware in old networks.

Herringbone_Cat

@RoryMcCune: Yes, ASAs but not PIXes. I have an ASA5505 in my living room somewhere in a box :)

raz

@JukEboX No, I'm looking for default type settings, between @Herringbone_Cat and you I think I have what I need.

Herringbone_Cat

18:39

@JukEboX No problem. Sometimes it's hard to decipher technical questions people pose

raz

Thanks guys!

JukEboX

@etherealflux Merry Packetmas

@Herringbone_Cat I am not a InfoSec PRO yet so still learning :/

Rоry McCune

@Herringbone_Cat ah sure as the linked article in the thread was about ASAs I assumed you were using the term interchangeably

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Fake it until you make it

Simon

@Herringbone_Cat Sure you do, nurd.

JukEboX

18:40

@raz I know Sygate had a very simple firewall adjustment interface for that. But after Symantec bought them they changed it around ALOT. I miss the old sygate :/

@Herringbone_Cat been trying. My rep proves it :P

David Freitag

@JukEboX What? Symantec ruining software? Nooo, not them..

etherealflux

n e v e r

JukEboX

@raz you can still find Sygate here : download.cnet.com/Sygate-Personal-Firewall/…

Simon

lolcnet

JukEboX

I may go home and download it again simply because when you were using it, you knew Everything that was going on. It was the best firewall

@DavidFreitag yeah I know. NORTAN is almost as bad as MCAFEE

David Freitag

18:43

@JukEboX I wouldn't touch a binary from Cnet with a 10 foot ethernet cable.

Simon

^

JukEboX

@etherealflux MCASSFee

@DavidFreitag softpedia?

David Freitag

@JukEboX McAfee was purchased by Intel.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag their software still sucks to me

raz

@DavidFreitag Breaking news?

Herringbone_Cat

18:44

@RorymcCune ah, no, I just merely read the comment in line without bothering to click TFA :)

David Freitag

intelsecurity.com

Kisunminttu

Today is a very special day

JukEboX

@raz I is now "intel security group "

Swanky

David Freitag

@Kisunminttu Oh?

JukEboX

makes swanky face

Whats up @Kisunminttu

Herringbone_Cat

18:44

@Simon the sad part is I've been meaning to configure it as my home router and do an L2L vpn to my office but have been too lazy, thus, it sits in a box.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag Just because Intel bought it doesn't make it any less crap

raz

@JukEboX Googling "Swanky face" comes up with some interesting results

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat A box is its natural habitat. I bet it is as happy as a clam.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag Intel makes a hexa core processor but still gets out performed by their quad cores

LOL @raz

David Freitag

@JukEboX Which hex core? They have made several...

JukEboX

18:46

@DavidFreitag any of them

David Freitag

That's just not true.

JukEboX

Was last time I checked benchmarks a month ago

Along with user reviews

David Freitag

Unless if by "out performed" you mean "used less power"

Simon

Users are dumb.

David Freitag

^

JukEboX

18:47

@Herringbone_Cat have you flashed it with DD-WRT?

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX There's compelling reasons to go with a hex-core rather than a quad core, #1: Virtualization. Each CPU core is 2 threads thanks to hyperthreading, thus, you get more vCPUs.

Kisunminttu

Around this time of the evening two years ago I met a very special person and immediately struck up an interesting conversation with him

David Freitag

Also, with the hex core you get quad channel ram.

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX MY nice ASA5505 flashed with DD-WRT?! Blasphemy!

Kisunminttu

I thought for the longest time that his name was Adam!

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David Freitag

18:48

That's right, 128GB of ram.

Herringbone_Cat

Maybe if I had an old Linksys, but an ASA5505 is hardware born to run IOS and only IOS

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu I'm going to have to call him that from now on...

David Freitag

@Kisunminttu LOL

Kisunminttu

(well, a few hours until I went out of my way to find him on social media)

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat I thought you meant CONSUMER home router. I didn't know you were using a corporate level router at home :P

Kisunminttu

18:49

That was the best birthday I've ever had

David Freitag

I don't think I've ever had a best birthday

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag when intel revamps the software and make it actually catch, remove, and sense things correctly I will change my tune for McAfee

Kisunminttu

@Adi :*

Simon

So, we have roro, dovid, oszi, ovid, roz and Adam.

Lovely.

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu \o/

Kisunminttu

18:50

Also cotmont

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX It's more like 'small office' level, but yes, courtesy of "recycling" for a client when they upgraded to an ASA5515-x

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat that is what most of my stuff is :P Network level laser printer...... with free backup cartridges... Check

@Kisunminttu what do you think my name is :P

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu "cotmont" is that a finnish thing?

(or of course a young person thing that I wouldn't get...)

Simon

Probably the latter.

JukEboX

@raz thanks for the edits :) Me no Engrish well

David Freitag

18:52

@RоryMcCune I'm not brave enough to google that at work

Rоry McCune

@Simon you're saying probably, 'cause you're a bit old to know now too, eh?

Simon

I practically have a foot in a coffin.

2

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat I am rocking the D-Link DGL5500 :P

David Freitag

@Simon That's becaus you're a vampire.

Simon

Yeah, I love sucking on dem blood.

Kisunminttu

18:56

@Simon you can still save yourself... Just say the word and we'll throw a lifesaver donut

Simon

We have a word? Is it the safe one?

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu hey hey less of the donut-talk and more of the explaining the mysterious term

David Freitag

@Simon Pineapples!

Kisunminttu

Yes, @Simon

Simon

Ok then.

donutpls

Kisunminttu

18:57

The safe word is "doughnut"

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Believe it or not I used an apple time capsule as a router for about 7 years. It's actually a good router. Does IPv6 tunneling well.

Kisunminttu

Go on, @Simon. Practice.

Simon

donut

Kisunminttu

Doughnut.

Simon

donut

JukEboX

18:58

@Herringbone_Cat LOL my friend and I built an old HP Tower from like 97 and made that a router. Was great for network gaming until someone treid to DL something HUGE and had to restart it cause the 900mhz processor crashed :P

Kisunminttu

Aaaand @Simon is dead

Rоry McCune

RIP @Simon

Simon

is le ded-

Kisunminttu

@RоryMcCune Google "woll smoth"

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat that sounds like something you should put on an obscure technology page. Its so strange others will want to do it with their time capsules :P

@Simon X_X

Rоry McCune

18:59

@Kisunminttu oh well that image search is the stuff of nightmares...

Kisunminttu

RIP in pieces @Simon

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Not really, I mean, it's a big heading item under the network configuration. The issue is finding ISPs that support tunneling. I'm lucky to have sonic.net, probably the best consumer ISP in america, out here.

JukEboX

@Kisunminttu ahahahahah

Kisunminttu

@RоryMcCune kosonmonttu

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat Comcast :/

David Freitag

19:00

@RоryMcCune Do I even want to know?

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag no.. I'll say no

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Comcast natively supports IPv6 on their modems, despite being the worst ISP in america :)

JukEboX

@RоryMcCune you do you do!

Kisunminttu

It'shhilarious! Come on, guys

Rоry McCune

@JukEboX I do now, that does not mean I want to!

JukEboX

19:01

@Herringbone_Cat I have never had a problem with them. Actually they tired to sell me on their wireless model and I was like I JUST WANT THE Surboard. I don't need your wack as box. I got something better

@Kisunminttu did you do "and fronds"?

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Just wait until you want to cancel your account. :)

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat I have done that twice. Never gave me a problem

Herringbone_Cat

Since I cancelled two years ago, I think I've received direct mail spam from them every other day.

That's what you get for opting out of their phone call solicitations.

Kisunminttu

@JukEboX nope! What's that?

JukEboX

I actually wanted to buy my own modem with triple speed I wanted to see if I could get that activated and bounce them out of the hardware game completely. Just needed to get some PCs with TV cards and I would be set :P

David Freitag

19:02

@Herringbone_Cat I have yet to have any issues with them. They even sent me a $100 visa card as an apology for messing up my auto pay.

JukEboX

@Kisunminttu Google "woll smoth and fronds"

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag I've found that their "best effort" uptime in some areas means entire business days with no service.

David Freitag

@JukEboX That is a very very good idea. I get 180mb/s out of my modem.

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX They are not throttling you on your modem, they throttle you upstream, so "triple speed" won't work.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag it works well if you can get a HD card. Then you got free DVR and you don't have to pay for it.

David Freitag

19:03

@Herringbone_Cat I have not had that issue. The worst I see is a sag below my rated 150mb/s during peak hours.

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat yeah I Know. I was able to do it with cablevision

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag Have you opted out of them using your DNS queries for advertisement?

David Freitag

FYI, this is the modem I have.

amazon.com/ARRIS-SURFboard-SB6121-DOCSIS-Cable/dp/B004XC6GJ0/…

@Herringbone_Cat I use a VPN

JukEboX

I tried to do that with them with my home DVR whenI build a computer for that but they still use those DUMBASS credit card readers to read the box authentication for you.

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag That works, but when your VPN isn't on.... in general, I simply trust Comcast/NBC to monetize anything they can as unethically as possible

JukEboX

19:05

So what you have in the end is your house just gets internet and cable service but no actual hardware provided by comcast

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat My VPN turns on automatically when windows starts, and I get an alert if it disconnects.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag I haven't really thought about using a VPN. Who do you use? I wasn't sure of the cost either

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag You can also change your DNS servers to non-comcast ones too to resolve that :) But full tunnel VPN for everything?

I can see using a split tunnel, but a full tunnel VPN kinda defeats the point of a fast internet connection in some ways

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat DNS change to google is no better :P

David Freitag

@JukEboX I use Private Internet Access. My download speeds are actually higher with the VPN enabled, and it's only like $7/mo

@Herringbone_Cat I use Google DNS servers, but yes full VPN tunnel

JukEboX

19:06

@DavidFreitag per machine or can I VPN to it direct from my router?

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag Download speeds being higher is definitely odd for a VPN, but, I suppose they're messing with the TCP/ip windowing or doing some caching or something.

David Freitag

@JukEboX Per machine, they even have an android application to enable the VPN on android devices. Not so sure for iOS/Windows phone

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag I have to many devices. Hmmmm

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat Presumably they are doing some SPI on the traffic to detect torrents/tor, so there's that.

JukEboX

Looking at like 7 computers 3 phones etc

David Freitag

19:08

@JukEboX I have four devices that run at the same time, it's not one device per license

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag You mean deep packet inspection, SPI would have a hard time with Tor.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag wait so you pay for on license for all your devices?

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat Yes you know what I meant :P

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat Tor has bad speed though no?

David Freitag

@JukEboX One license many devices

Herringbone_Cat

19:09

@JukEboX Yes, anything making your internet connection into a rube goldberg machine will likely be slow

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag TO THE INTERNETS!

@Herringbone_Cat LOL OMG I just LOLED so hard

David Freitag

@JukEboX Just be warned their site is kinda shit

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag I can't get to it from work so I will have to go to their shitty site with my nice new computer at home/.

WOw @Kisunminttu really killed @Simon . What will we tell @simon's.donut ?

@DavidFreitag your on Comcast too or AT&T?

David Freitag

@JukEboX Comcast

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag yeah figures. I didn't know how deep they rolled out there. Was crossing my fingers you didn't say TWC or Cox

@DavidFreitag running Win 10 with auto VPN running?

I haven't run that option yet so I nterested to hear how it works?

David Freitag

19:12

@JukEboX I run 7, but I'm sure it's compatible with 10.

And this is my router:

amazon.com/BUFFALO-AirStation-Simultaneous-Wireless-WZR-1750DHP/…

Herringbone_Cat

that thing can definitely do a site-to-site tunnel

David Freitag

I get the same speed on gigabit ethernet as I do on 5GHz wireless

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag Sounds like your gigabit cables are hurting.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag this is mine

amazon.com/D-Link-Wireless-Gaming-Router-StreamBoost/dp/…

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat Nope, I have 150mb/s to the wall, and I can peak at 180mb/s at like 4am

JukEboX

19:14

Disabled WPS because it is a MAJOR security risk

David Freitag

@JukEboX I have had bad luck with D-Link. that buffalo comes stock with DD-WRT

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag Ah yes, gigabit is mostly useful for LAN connectivity, like file servers. If your total upstream bandwidth is <200mbps, then wireless AC vs wired difference will be trivial.

David Freitag

Lol, WPS came disabled by default on my router.

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag But here at my office, we have these huge ubiquiti AC enterprise access points and gigabit. People love plugging into the gigabit, when downloading a 4GB ISO it makes a huge difference.

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat Sure, but for youtube or netflix there is no appreciable difference.

JukEboX

19:16

@DavidFreitag not a bad price either

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag Definitely not. For casual users, nothing..unless they're gamers, in which case latency will always be lower wired.

David Freitag

@JukEboX I got mine on sale for $60 :]

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag I got mine when it first came out. Plugged it in and the world exploded.

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat Anything that matters is wired, and my nas has 3 gigabit nics.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag I have a buffalo Terastation with only 1 GiG connect

@Herringbone_Cat that was also a enterprise level recycle project ;P

David Freitag

19:18

Mine is fully custom with 10TB of caviar red and a 64GB SSD cache drive

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag I always wondered they come with so many NICs. You can do NIC teaming sure..but then..you probably have a gigabit switch, so that's not going to help. YOu can do multiple VLAns, but you can just 802.1Q tag a single one. How many home environments have multiple switches you need redundancy on? :)

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag yeah I want to up it to something bigger. I would like the WD greens

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Those WD greens love failing. I've started to use HGST for lower failure rates.

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat It has a single gig on the motherboard and a pci express card with two more. Link aggregation is all about 'dat bandwidths.

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat have had mine for almost 5 years now. Never failed. Seagate on the other hand..... dont' get me started

David Freitag

19:19

@Herringbone_Cat WD Greens are fine, you just need to disable power save mode otherwise they park themselves to death.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag Yea

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag I've got a pile of them right here for you, in a box, thrown in after they've failed.

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat I'll gladly take them, I could make a ring launcher.

Herringbone_Cat

interesting reference: extremetech.com/extreme/…

David Freitag

I'd never use a green as my main drive, but for a backup drive they work perfectly. As long as you disable the"IntelliPower" BS

JukEboX

19:22

@Herringbone_Cat you have to sh**ting me

@DavidFreitag my OS drive an SSD

backups are all WD

Kisunminttu

@JukEboX Hey man, I offered him a saving doughnut. He's the one who refused to grab onto it

JukEboX

Every Seacgate I have had and everyone I know who has had them they have crashed. EVERY ONE

Especially the barricuda

David Freitag

@JukEboX I mean a main data drive. I have a 120GB SSD and a 2TB Black caviar.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag depends on the data. I have different drives for different data

@Kisunminttu well we call can't be saved. someone must be the martyr :P

@Simon just made us all look bad by being the martyr

David Freitag

Wait, so what happened to @Simon???

Simon

19:24

Nothing.

JukEboX

He went out for a donut

David Freitag

A jelly one I bet.

JukEboX

mmmmm

I am going to have to go up to the snack machine

David Freitag

aka a WHITE POWDER EVERYWHERE snack

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag I have been hearing good things on the Samsung SSDs so I got one for my OS

Herringbone_Cat

19:25

I know I'm American and I should like donuts but I prefer cigarettes.

Simon

.

Herringbone_Cat

Nothing says -merica like a good 'ol virginia-grown cigarette.

David Freitag

@JukEboX EVO 850s are pretty much the best on the market behind M.2 drives.

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag I thought the EVO was slower than the PRO?

But yes those 850s are excellent drives, we're using plenty over here.

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat Or, you know, Abraham Lincoln riding on the back of a bald eagle with a cheese burger in one hand and a rifle in the other hand.

@Herringbone_Cat Marginally. The benefit of the pro is the 10 year warranty with full data recovery service.

Herringbone_Cat

19:27

@DavidFreitag That's more a george washington style.

Simon

dovid, ever dealt with a Philips #00 stripped screw?

David Freitag

Yes

Herringbone_Cat

@Simon Drill it out.

David Freitag

^

Simon

#00

HASHTAG ZERO ZERO

Herringbone_Cat

19:28

Yeah, get a real fine drill bit. :)

David Freitag

Or you can use a dremel and cut a slot in it for a flat head

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag I got the 850 PRO

Herringbone_Cat

Chicago Latrobe drill bits FTW

Simon

It's in a Macbook Pro, I don't really wanna drill in there.

@DavidFreitag Yup, I'm fairly sure that's what I'll have to do.

David Freitag

Outside of that your only option is a screw extractor.

amazon.com/SpeedOut-Damaged-Screw-Extractor-Bolt/dp/B00IRL3WP4/…

Simon

19:30

#2big

David Freitag

The smallest size should be enough to remove a 00

Simon

It really looks way too big.

Yes, yes, TWSS.

JukEboX

@Simon I am pretty sure the fact that you stripped the screw will tell them you voided the warranty :P

David Freitag

It will be a bit like trying to probe an IC with a hotdog, but you can do it.

Simon

I CAN DO IT

David Freitag

19:31

Just remember to remove the battery before you start cutting/drilling/screwing

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag hahah

#ucandoeet

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag Remove the battery from a macbook pro? :)

Simon

Yeah, totally not attempting to do that.

David Freitag

@Herringbone_Cat You can unplug the connector.

Simon

Psk, that's for pussies.

JukEboX

19:32

@Herringbone_Cat you mean it's not easy :P

Simon

I'd rather fry the board than being a pussy.

JukEboX

#manstatus

David Freitag

Just be warned, if you accidentally puncture the battery you should be prepared for a very intense and nearly inextinguishable fire right in your face.

Simon

Now that's an issue because my face is quite pretty.

Herringbone_Cat

@DavidFreitag Do you really want to tell him this or do you want to see pictures from when this happens?

Simon

19:33

The screw is on the opposite of the battery, I should be fine.

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat count my vote for after picture

David Freitag

That's the sort of mentality that leads to severe chemical burns on your face.

Alkali metals are not to be toyed with. Unless you have a very long sharp pointy stick.

Rory Alsop

Or a vat of acid behind a strong screen

Simon

Troo.

David Freitag

@Simon amazon.com/Moody-Tools-58-0670-Extractor-Reversible/dp/…

@RoryAlsop At least an acid you can dilute with water. If you tried to wash off any lithium off with water it would only serve to intensify the reaction.

Simon

19:36

@DavidFreitag Yeah but that thing is almost 60 bucks on amazon.ca

I'd rather spend more and get a Dremel.

Which will be handy for a bunch of stuff, including my car.

David Freitag

@Simon It is not my fault your country's currency is worth less.

Simon

pls

JukEboX

@Simon

David Freitag

Also, @Simon, now that I am looking, 40k CAD is only slightly more than I make a year, so I feel less pathetic.

Simon

And what percentage is taxable?

JukEboX

19:51

Boo someone downvoted one of my answers.

Simon

20:03

rekt

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag does Private Internet Access require software installed on computer?

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Anything called 'private internet access' using software shouldn't be trusted :) VPNs are a standard thing, e.g. IPSec, that should be usable from a variety of clients.

Unless your name is Cisco. In which case, everyone will use your proprietary client and apple will even bake in support for your bastardizations of ipsec

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat yeah I know that is why I am asking. I have been stuck to Cisco VPN before. I haven't used outside VPN before

Oh

And also Aruba VIA

That is also required software

rolls eyes

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Never heard of aruba VIA, in 2010 i worked at the hedge fund that bankrolled them, they had aruba access points (which were great) but used ASA5510s.

JukEboX

Yeah Aruba VIA is Aruba Virtual Intranet Access

Aruba is a great device. Their off network APs us internal VPN to stay connected to the home network if you work from home. Fully configurable from home network. its pretty cool

Herringbone_Cat

20:11

Yeah, they're great, but expensive. Got to pay back those investors somehow.

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat yeah I know. I helped install a whole campus full of them for my last job.

Herringbone_Cat

So those investors can spend copious amounts of $$ decorating their hedge fund office with gawdy, avant-garde art from the SF MoMA

Just had to vent for a second there about that hedge fund. :)

JukEboX

Yeah I dont' think I could last at a hedgefund

Have you heard from the Bridgewater Headfund?

Hedgefund?

Herringbone_Cat

yeah, I didn't consult at that one though.

JukEboX

@Herringbone_Cat I applied to that one and everyone there is COMPLETELY NUTS!

Herringbone_Cat

20:13

That's every hedge fund. It's basically a cult of the portfolio manager.

JukEboX

The owner wrote a book on how to succeed by telling people what you really thought of them

@Herringbone_Cat here is what it is really like -->

businessinsider.com/…

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX Isn't even close to the shit I've seen.

How about a hedge fund that everyone has to wear certain colors depending on the day, so the portfolio manage rcan hang upside down with his feet on the ceiling, in a mood-lit room matching the color people wear, to pick stocks?

JukEboX

Greed man. It's all greed.

Herringbone_Cat

I'm still grateful for the money clip I received on Chrsitmas from Paul Singer, though. Lately I hear he's been suing Argentina.

JukEboX

20:29

@Herringbone_Cat no idea who that is

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Singer_(businessman)

JukEboX

Ohok

Poor Ubuntu

engadget.com/2015/08/10/bq-ubuntu-phone-global-sales

Herringbone_Cat

I never liked Ubuntu. Devs seem to favor it, but I greatly prefer CentOS for a server. Desktop, Mint seems nicer.

David Freitag

@JukEboX Yes.

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag they do have software. That has to be on all machines?

David Freitag

20:38

Yep

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag thanks.

Silly Symantec. Viruses ar so boring now. Nothing is over 4 anymore :/

Hi @schroeder

@Herringbone_Cat have you tried any of the PowerLine systems?

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX I'm personally not a fan of powerline ethernet, but I've never had a real use case for it. Either run ethernet, or use WiFi tends to be my MO.

JukEboX

I bought one for my old house which eventually went to my parents and it works great

Great for when you can't run Ethernet and wifi won't reach

I used it to put Wifi across my ouse

schroeder

Herringbone_Cat

@JukEboX In those situations I just end up buying the 3-pack of Ubiquiti WAPs and using those to relay. I have never had my own house though (lived in major cities), so I don't trust powerline privacy/electrical wiring in those buildings.

JukEboX

20:50

@Herringbone_Cat yeah it was a stand alone house so the worry about tapping in was at 0%

@Schroeder what sup?

schroeder

@JukEboX not much - you?

JukEboX

@Schroeder trying to kill some time till the clock reaches 5:30 so I can go home

@Schroeder what movie is that picture from?

schroeder

@JukEboX I have a better idea: pick a tag on this site at random hat does not have an entry, do some research, and propose an edit with content that's relevant to our site (do not copy-paste from Wikipedia)

Gilles

@JukEboX I was wondering too, so I asked Google

Herringbone_Cat

This is why we elected schroeder moderator. :)

Gilles

20:58

tumblr.com/search/ch:-oaken

JukEboX

I really want to know what movie it is from. I want to watch it

schroeder

image is from Frozen

JukEboX

OH RIGHT!

Gilles

Frozen (2013 film)

Frozen is a 2013 American 3D computer-animated musical fantasy–comedy film produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios and released by Walt Disney Pictures. It is the 53rd animated feature in the Walt Disney Animated Classics series. Inspired by Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale The Snow Queen, the film tells the story of a fearless princess who sets off on an epic journey alongside a rugged iceman, his loyal pet reindeer, and a naïve snowman to find her estranged sister, whose icy powers have inadvertently trapped the kingdom in eternal winter. Frozen underwent several story treatments for years...

schroeder

hate that film

JukEboX

20:59

@Schroeder what do you mean a tag with no entry?

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