The DMZ

Journeyman Geek

00:11

@M'vy this

Tho, I do prefer my clacky keyboard, and where possible, use it.

etherealflux

01:46

I have a cooler master with blue keys. They're quite nice to type on

A few other people at work have mechanical keyboards as well, so I can't be guilted about the noise :D

Simon

02:16

I just quoted @AviD's Rule of Usability to a friend of mine during an argument. I'm going to hell.

doppelgreener

@Simon What is that rule?

Xander

02:38

@doppelgreener Security at the expense of usability, comes at the expense of security.

doppelgreener

Why does that mean you're going to hell? @_@

Xander

@doppelgreener To @Simon, quoting @AviD is, well, selling out. It it to someone who has devoted his life to fighting the man, in essence, becoming one with the man.

doppelgreener

@Xander Oh, I see. XD I understand now.

Xander

I wonder if it says something about where I am in life that the TV channel I watch has commercials for things like Life Alert remote thingies, and self-lubricating catheters. The Life Alert commercials haven't really phased me. It's the catheter commercials that are making me think.

If I'm really the target market for catheters, I'm really a lot father gone than I thought.

doppelgreener

@Xander I watch shows that are from channels that advertise kid's toys. I don't think it says too much.

(Adventure time, Gravity falls, Steven Universe...)

Freedom

03:49

guys a kick question, which is more secure and preferable ? CBC vs OFB vs CFB for AES?

quick* lol

Stack Exchange

04:06

The Earth's five major mass extinctions were the Posh Extinction, the Sporty Extinction, the Scary Extinction, the Ginger Extinction, and the Baby Extinction.

Freedom

where this bot get this images ? lol

tylerl

04:21

@Freedom from xkcd.com

it displays the latest comic when it posts to the site

Freedom

nice lol

tylerl

Randall is very liberal with his views about copyright, so it's totally cool with him if you post his work all over. He even will CDN it for you.

Freedom

he is smart

not like he could prevent an copyright infringement anyway

tylerl

29

A: Block chaining modes to avoid

OFB and CTR turn the block cipher into a stream cipher. This means that care must be taken when using them, like for RC4; reusing the same stream for encrypting two distinct messages is a deadly sin. OFB is more "delicate" in that matter. Since OFB consists in encrypting the same value repeatedly...

everything you ever wanted to know about block chaining modes.

Freedom

thanks i'm going to read it

wow google is being very aggressive with the SHA-1 thing

saying "your connection may not be particular " just because the certificate is SHA-1 is a bit overkill to me right now

tylerl

05:44

@Freedom Its only for certs that expire AFTER the EOL date. So while it's a bit aggressive, it's not arbitrary.

Also, it doesn't pop up a warning. If you're getting a warning message then it's because of something else.

all it does is affect the red-vs-green UI indication in the URL bar.

Stephane

06:45

'morning folks

M'vy

07:02

@Stephane hi

Hum. I guess there's no way to directly export an HTML container to an image ?

Stephane

07:26

No idea, really

Not my sandbox

Anyone has information on how to use a HSM in a cloud-based environment (IaaS) ?

M'vy

07:39

@Stephane interesting question

Never had the chance to own/admin one

TildalWave

you place it in the evaporator? :)

M'vy

@TildalWave no, that's how you get it in the cloud in the first place

Stephane

07:58

^^

AviD

08:10

damn, but you ponies talk a lot.

wait, that sounds misogynistic.

better.

@Simon good man! it should be repeated often, until it loses all meaning.

Stephane

@AviD That's specism!

AviD

@Xander wait, am I the man...??

@Stephane I'm okay with that.

I had a dozen pings here while I was gone.... makes me feel special.

@Amelia have you been reading our memes again?? Or is @LucasKauffman just feeding you sock comments.

@RоryMcCune Thank goodness for the occasional day of trainings...

Stephane

Damned... sourceforge is down and I need to download a lib...

Oh well. Might as well write it myself.

AviD

@Stephane why dont you just google for malware?

Stephane

That wouldn't give me the specific malware^h^h^h^h^h library I need

Lucas Kauffman

08:32

Oi

TildalWave

@M'vy so how do you use it then? with a snorter? :D

Amelia

@AviD AvvvviiiiiiiiiDDDDDDDDD

And no, I just really love Llamas with Hats

AviD

Aaaammeeeeeeeeeliiiaaaaaa

@Amelia So say we all.

Amelia

@AviD why are you doing this? You are a terrible person. I bet Paul put you up to this. Wait until the orphanage hears about this.

AviD

Oh, you'll fit in here just fiiiine.

Lucas Kauffman

08:41

@AviD Avvvviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid

AviD

09:13

wooly carp, I'm out for one day and you all let the nomination votings get out of hand.

M'vy

@AviD out of hand?

Amelia

@M'vy Have I got a deal for you

Millions of hands

AviD

lol

Amelia

Seriously I have shirts with Llamas with Hats on

M'vy

I have to admit here: I'm lost

Amelia

09:19

@M'vy tl;dr paul opens a rift in spacetime through which to collection millions of baby hands because why not

AviD

@Amelia wait, hold on a second. rad.io? reeeaally??

@Amelia as in, right now? I dont believe in coincidences.

M'vy

Paul ?

AviD

@M'vy Caaaaaarrrrlll

Amelia

@M'vy look up "Llamas with Hats" on youtube

Watch it all.

M'vy

hm...still at work here

Amelia

09:20

Llamas with Hats 1-12 : The Complete Movie 1080p HD

►

AviD

@M'vy and look at @LucasKauffman's avatar.

Amelia

Feature-length film!

AviD

@Amelia OH DAMMIT NOW I HAVE TO WATCH IT AGAIN

THE NIGHTMARES, OH THE NIGHTMARES

Amelia

@AviD DONT MAKE ME PIN IT IN HERE

You know I can

AviD

@Amelia heh.

Are you protem? You are the first I've seen of freelancing.

Amelia

09:22

Freelancing has been around since 2013 ;-;

AviD

gonna try and find time later to check that site

@Amelia wat, really?

Amelia

Note to self: dont drink and type

AviD

how are there only 820 questions?

I guess, freelancers are too busy for SE.

Amelia

@AviD It's only just picked up steam as of the last 4 months (quite sharply)

AviD

@Amelia hehe. I got one of my favorite bottles of whisky in Newcastle.

Good times.

Was a double cask 16year lagavulin.

still have a tiny bit left.

@Amelia what happened 4 months ago?

Amelia

09:24

@AviD I'm going to pretend I understood that and keep drinking kopparberg cloudberry cider

AviD

@Amelia WHISKEY

Amelia

@AviD I'm not quite sure, the analytics don't point to much.

AviD

@Amelia dunno what kopparberg is but berry cider sounds awesome.

@Amelia any special incoming links?

maybe somebody tweeted it, or wrote about it in their blog?

Amelia

Russian freelancer blogged about us, but I'm fairly sure we just started being found on google

CodesInChaos

@LucasKauffman When will you finally use a picture of yourself as avatar? You're fooling nobody, Carl.

TildalWave

09:28

@Amelia Picked up steam to reach 1.7 qpd? That sounds like it got one or two enthusiasts. Stats seem to me that at over 2 years the site needs a lot more work, probably community building but I'm not there so I can't say.

I'd suggest some advertizing and community activities

Amelia

@TildalWave QPD has always been our lowest scoring stat

We have some extremely active people answering, but not many actually asking, and that bugs me a little.

TildalWave

it's also one of the most important ones, on top of good number of high rep members so they can help with site chores

incentivize it

we were and on occasion still run schemes on space

it takes a lot of work tho

Do you e.g. have the Topic of the Week?

and follow industry news, see which ones might be most interesting at any time

chat events too... you need an active chat if you want an active site

(my opinion, not SE's)

Flyk

so I receive a message saying there is a moderator election going on here, I look at the candidates and haven't stopped laughing since

7

AviD

@Flyk hey hey, Hey guise, look who is here!

Amelia

Jul 17 at 15:22, by Amelia

Also your moderator elections are uhh... interesting. And terrifying. Mostly terrifying.

AviD

09:37

Was nice of you to drop by and wish @Adi luck

Flyk

sorry @Avid, I had to remove you from ignore before I could see your pointless noise

M'vy

Oh god, now I'm hallucinating

AviD

@Flyk hey come on, my noise isnt usually pointless

M'vy

poke @Flyk

AviD

its the actual comments that are pointless

M'vy

09:38

^ is this real ?

Flyk

besides, I am going to vote for @ScottPack and @Xander

and then you shall be rid of my presence again

or I shall be rid of yours, one of those things

also it was entirely accidental that I'm even here, the woes of turning on old computer hardware that automagically opens internet browsers

@M'vy poke

Rоry McCune

@Flyk watcha' o/

@flyk long time no see, you been off having fun avoiding SE for a while?

AviD

@RоryMcCune no, just us

TildalWave

indeed, hey @Flyk how's been hanging? :)

Flyk

@RоryMcCune actually the time available versus time required resulted in a negative outcome

currently at a rate of 1:2 or thereabouts

@TildalWave alive, happy, not really sleeping very well, eating junk, travelling a lot

TildalWave

09:43

sounds good enough

Flyk

correctly establishing where "good enough" is in the spectrum of want is the key to happiness

Rоry McCune

that's often a tricky part...

Flyk

sure is, but like everything else you can tune yourself to it if you know what you're trying to achieve

AviD

damn you @Amelia. 12 episodes watched, brain melted.

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yeah to me knowing what I want to achieve is always a balance/trade-off, ain't no such thing as the perfect setup, so pick the most important thing and optimize. For now mine has been getting a work-life balance that minimizes travelling around a lot + having nice spaces to work from (typing this from shiney new home office :) )

@AviD got your new phone ringtone right here.... filmcow.com/files/llamastheme.mp3

AviD

09:53

hehehe NOOO

@RоryMcCune speaking of travelling around, are you gonna join NCC's sponsorship crew to AppSecIL?

Rоry McCune

@AviD heh, as far as I could find we don't have an IL outpost yet...

slackers I know

AviD

@RоryMcCune well maybe it's time... can do remote just fine

Flyk

@RоryMcCune I shifted to a primarily work exclusive life with basically no downtime

Rоry McCune

@AviD well if ya want to chat to NCC just let me know I can always put you in touch with the right people :)

deed02392

@Adi hey dude, thanks :) i was missing you that's why I'm around again!

AviD

09:56

@Flyk yeah I heard you're on tour now

Rоry McCune

@Flyk hmm, I've seen that work for some people, but most need downtime sooner or later, otherwise it gets a bit grindy

Flyk

@AviD I'm not Taylor Swift and the comparison is getting old/boring now

AviD

@RоryMcCune would they be interested, ya think?

Flyk

@RоryMcCune do what you love, love what you do

Rоry McCune

@AviD quite possibly. they're used to working with remote people (we have folks who are based remotely in Argentina + spain +others which is a fair haul)

@AviD in my experience having a chat rarely hurts even when it doesn't pan out..

AviD

09:59

@RоryMcCune well then, sure, let's give it a shot!

Rоry McCune

@AviD righto. you have an e-mail address for me? if ya fire over some contact details I can get them over to the right person(s)

AviD

@RоryMcCune (my lastname) @ hotmail dot com

@TerryChia

Hipster Pickup Lines on Singapore Girls - Ministry of Funny

►

Flyk

I'm surprised they let you have [email protected]

Rоry McCune

@AviD you not upgraded to outlook.com tsk

AviD

@RоryMcCune hey this address is classic

I've had it since before it was cool

Rоry McCune

10:02

@AviD hotmail was cool?

AviD

@RоryMcCune is now

well, outlook.com

tested, tested

@RоryMcCune thanks!

Flyk

So, funny story, my website is running WordPress

also, friends who tell you they can build a website for you for free are usually lying

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yeah I've run a couple of Wordpress sites, they're ok as long as ya patch 'em :)

Wordpress gets a lot of flack, but it's popular for a reason...

Flyk

but I don't want to look after any of that stuff

AviD

@Flyk you should try wpengine then

wpengine.com

Flyk

10:08

<- more than capable of using google

AviD

hey hey I'm just trying to be nice!

Flyk

At the end of the day, all I really need is social media aggregation and an about page

one day I might actually do that

for the time being though it can remain as item #49 on my list of things to do

Rоry McCune

@Flyk see problem is you've got a limited range of professional helpers as all most SE people know about you is "blue pony avatar, knows stuff about music, games, has a pathalogical dislike of incorrect tags" which probably wouldn't be the best selling points for a DJ... :op

Flyk

oh I wasn't seeking assistance, I was just releasing all of the random sentences that I need to state but cause blank faces if I actually speak the words in the company of my usual entourage

Rоry McCune

ahh, fairy snuff, in that case please continue.

the challenge in saying things like that to professional problem solvers is that they tend to view it as a problem to solve

Flyk

10:16

If somebody in here wants to make a good, highly configurable social media content aggregator then by all means do so

TildalWave

do we look to you like API guys? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Flyk: heh, my website is running wordpress

Amusingly, the only time I got exploited? Was the whole damned OS and a brute force ssh password attack.

Rоry McCune

@Flyk a page that has twitter/instagram/facebook feeds on it?

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek .... that you know of

Flyk

@RоryMcCune basically

Journeyman Geek

10:19

@TildalWave: I nuked it from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

Flyk

why cross post everything when you can just post once and forget?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk oh so like a social media management thing. Shurely there must be money in that kind of software with all the corps using social media these days..

Flyk

the whole facebook/twitter/soundcloud/youtube/instagram/blah circle of repeated posting is annoying

there's only so many times I can write the same sentence enthusiastically

TildalWave

can you copy/paste enthusiastically?

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave surely that's a "media Interns" job

TildalWave

10:22

well yes but apparently one can graduate in that these days

Flyk

@TildalWave not very personal is it

Journeyman Geek

you can graduate in being an intern?

oh, copy pasting

TildalWave

@Flyk hey you said "same sentence" not me

Rоry McCune

@Flyk (and I know you mentioned that you can use google but curious about what the downsides to these are) have you looked at hootsuite.com and buffer.com ?

Flyk

@RоryMcCune you're looking at the problem from the wrong side

it's not the inputting side that I care about

it's the outputting side

TildalWave

10:24

so like a social media stream?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yeah and those tools output on a schedule to up to 35 networks (in the case of hootsuite)

TildalWave

I suck at social media

scratch that, I hate it

AviD

whoa @RоryMcCune you have a @*.trust address? now THAT is hipster.

Rоry McCune

@AviD have one, we run the registry :)

AviD

yeah, its not like anybody else would be using it ;-)

Rоry McCune

10:26

@AviD hey, it's actually a good idea (though a shame we couldn't get .secure)

TildalWave

does FB still ask you about your marital status and what gender you're interested in like all the other matrimonial sites?

AviD

@RоryMcCune lemme guess, Symantec has .secure?

@TildalWave no, they just look it up on their AFF/AM dump.

Rоry McCune

@AviD frickin' amazon (or google I forget which of the two TLD hoovers it was)

Flyk

@TildalWave yeah basically, instead of a website that needs updating, just pull everything from my social media pages, formatted so that it's usable etc

= no need to look after a website because just doing the social thing populates it automagically

TildalWave

like paper.ly?

or what's that thingy

Flyk

10:28

@TildalWave I dislike social media also

TildalWave

paper.li

Flyk

in particular the way that (some) record labels judge your future profitability based on your existing fan count

yet will still charge you a percentage of sales for "marketing"

TildalWave

LOL they want to project you?

Tell them what they can project and that's it then

sounds to me like those that want you to do all their work and they get paid for it

Flyk

welcome to the music industry

TildalWave

I'm not in it tho

Flyk

10:30

yes, I'm already becoming jaded with the inner workings

TildalWave

neither do I listen to "industry"

unless @AviD links to it that is

don't more and more artists self-publish these days?

Flyk

publishing is different to releasing

TildalWave

OK, I obviously haven't a clue, so do continue but only if you have the time for it

Flyk

cute

if I had no time available I wouldn't be here :p

TildalWave

so what's different between publishing and releasing?

Flyk

10:34

today I am going to achieve nothing other than spinning around on my chair so much that I make myself sick

Rоry McCune

@Flyk and elightening people on the inner workings of the music industry :op

Flyk

I have completely run out of drive and yet I am unable to sleep so I was hoping to get into an internet argument to re-calibrate my motivation

Rоry McCune

@Flyk ah is that why you were baiting the tigger

TildalWave

you'll have to wait so @Simon wakes up then

we're all terribly polite these days here

Rоry McCune

is @Adi about, he's usually good for an argument

Flyk

10:36

@RоryMcCune I'm not baiting him, I'm still unhappy about something he said I think

based on him being on ignore when I arrived

Rоry McCune

@Flyk ahh

Lucas Kauffman

tits

Rоry McCune

hey @Adi @Flyk is looking for an Internet fight to have

could you oblige

Adi

@RоryMcCune I don't think I wanna have a fight with her

I'm just glad she's alright

We've generally been a bit worried about her in the last several weeks

Rоry McCune

true true

Flyk

10:43

@Adi why, exactly?

You know that an hour or so from now I will be gone again, probably until the end of the year or beyond, right?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk you vanished into thin air, so people were a bit worried :)

@Flyk couldn't you do like an @flyk twitter account that just posts non-sequiteurs periodically

Adi

@Flyk Well, I can speak for myself. You're a member of the SE community, and at one point a regular in the DMZ. I do care about your general wellbeing

@Flyk Plus, at one point, I told you exactly why I care.

Flyk

@Adi I am not associated with SE in any way shape or form and any implications that I am based on me having an account here will result in immediate account deletion

Adi

Blekh

Rоry McCune

@Flyk huh... I think people were just expressing concern about your wellbeing, wasn't intended in a negative way :)

Adi

10:47

@RоryMcCune She knows.

Anybody worked with full-fledged AWS console control panel before?

It's quite confusing!

Flyk

@RоryMcCune vanishing into thin air is my modus operandi

2

Rоry McCune

@Adi yeah I've logged into it a couple of times, frackin' complex!

@Flyk sure but you could pop in and wave every so often :)

Adi

I mean, look at this shit!

Flyk

@RоryMcCune why, is once per 6 months not acceptable enough for you?

Rоry McCune

@Adi the azure/office365 stuff is heading the same way...

@Flyk well a bit more frequent would be nice :)

Adi

10:50

@Flyk In the end, pop in as often as you like. I just want to say that it's nice to know that you're alive

Flyk

some people are never happy

Adi

Oh fuck off with this depressing carp already. Jesus Christ!

People are telling you they care about you

Rоry McCune

@Flyk not me, I'm often happy, not as much as the elder rory for sure (who I'm sure will have been sad to miss you)

Adi

Wanna be an ahole, then stop coming altogether.

Flyk

Firstly, I wasn't being depressing or an "ahole"

Adi

10:51

Firstly, you were.

Flyk

but thanks for perfectly summing up why I don't bother with the internet too much in the space of a few seconds

Adi

Hehehehehehe

You remind me of my little sister. When she was 10, she used to always jump in front of my screen to annoy me. I always told her so nicely to move away

She kept doing that

for 15-20 minutes

Eventually, I yelled at her. She said "Ahaaa.. I was jumping in front of the monitor because you yell at me!!"

AviD

Walruses

Adi

Congrats on the 10-yo logic

AviD

wait no, it wasnt the walrus that was rude, was it?

Rоry McCune

10:55

@AviD independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/…

TildalWave

oh that's just taking a piss

Adi

Wasn't there a fallacy that talks about that, @Avi ?

Or shall I create one?

AviD

somebody help me with this? Which animal was being politely rude in that webcomic?

Rоry McCune

@AviD which webcomic?

AviD

I dont know. That one with the politely rude [walrus] and the people complaining about it.

Adi

11:00

@AviD This?

2

AviD

@Adi YES thank you

sea lions. I was close.

Adi

@AviD I Googled "webcomic walrus rude"

It was the first result

AviD

@Adi so did I.

dammit!

Rоry McCune

@AviD you used bing, didn't you :op

AviD

@Adi so, yeah, that. She was being sealionish.

@RоryMcCune ...

maaaaaybe

both actually

Adi

11:03

@RоryMcCune We all know that Bing is @AviD's #1 search engine due to its... alternate capabilities

Rоry McCune

@Adi ya know, @AviD claims he didn't know about those, till I told him...

Adi

USA people.. check this out facebook.com/joshua.feuerstein.5/videos/635248349911184

AviD

11:16

@Adi why would you make us watch that??

@Adi What you just linked, is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever watched. At no point in your rambling incoherent link were you close to to anything that could be considered a rational video. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having clicked that link. We award you no points, and my god have mercy on your soul.

TildalWave

@AviD I'm not, FB blocked entirely for the past 5 years or so

as soon as it got on my tits, which was pretty early on and from what I hear never got any better, just worse

if I want random nonsense and ads I can always go read YouTube comments

AviD

@TildalWave or @Simon's nomination.

TildalWave

well funny enough I actually think that @Simon would make a fine mod ... of course, things would first have to change here in the DMZ because he'd need support he never enjoyed before

Rоry McCune

yeah it's a shame he's languishing in the primaries :(

TildalWave

he also never proposed donut badges on MSE :)

M'vy

11:34

@TildalWave I'm not convinced already. Maybe when I'll read his Q&A

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune how many make it through to finals?

M'vy

But definitely better than others

@TildalWave 10

TildalWave

@M'vy oh then @Simon makes it there too

M'vy

@TildalWave yeah sure

Anyway, reputation seems to matter a lot to voters.

Well, I guess for the first 10k at least

@Xander seems to be the less controversial with a 0.0427% of downvotes only

Hm I've been endorsed on linkedIn for a skill ?

PHP ? hmmm would you like to add on your profile ? errrr no?!

Flyk

11:53

@RоryMcCune heh, for fun maybe...

@RоryMcCune where is he, anyway?

AviD

oh the nerve of some companies.

Rоry McCune

@Flyk would've been amusing that

@Flyk he's generically around, must be off in HR meetings or something....

AviD

so somebody told me that whatsapp has a web ui (yeah yeah, I know, I hate the damn thing - but I am being forced to use it for some things... )

but they "recommend" you use their choice of browser - and dont let you use it otherwise.

"recommend" != "force"

could change my UA, but cant be arsed.

Rоry McCune

@AviD let me guess.... Chrome

AviD

or FF

or safari

Rоry McCune

11:58

@AviD ah well so they let you use all the good ones then

AviD

even Opera.

Rоry McCune

@AviD so anything but IE then

AviD

basically like having a big "FU IE" sign

Rоry McCune

use Edge!!

Flyk

are you using Internet Explorer?

willingly?

AviD

11:58

@RоryMcCune and FF too

Rоry McCune

@AviD :op

AviD

@Flyk preferably

not a religious thing, I just like using better software.

Scott Pack

Ladies. Gentlemen. Israelis.

AviD

oh snap.

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