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00:21
Holy shit! This is one of the most interesting infosec-related reads I've had in a while securelist.com/files/2015/06/…
(Technical report on the Duqu 2.0 APT agent and the Kaspersky Labs hack)
01:05
@amccormack that's why they get closed, because that kind of question is rarely helpful (if at all)
01:27
@AviD checkout stackoverflow.com/q/2353818/228489 SO has lots of questions like this. Sure they get closed or locked but they are still to the benefit of the community
 
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06:29
@amccormack - my thinking wasn't to link to getting started questions as such, as there is not a single definable way to get started in infosec, but instead have example questions from specific disciplines
Using the blog post to impart all the getting started info
yeah, thats what I was thinking too
the blog post would be the main page, linking to questions as they exist
@RoryAlsop but take a look at http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/91309/how-to-get-started-as-a-malware-analyst
The question is fairly limited in scope, but I don't really like any of the answers.
but I'm a little biased as I used to work in that field :-p
I just saw a Linux user compare themselves to someone who eats grass-fed beef instead of processed meat. I've found them. Peak FOSS Hipster.
@amccormack That question would need to be changed quite a bit though. But in reading it I think you are right - there is a definable scope. I reckon if it were worded more along the lines of "what disciplines does a malware analyst require proficiency in?" then it might be more suitable
hey @RоryMcCune and @TerryChia! she's talking about you!
06:48
oooh - interesting. @AviD
wut
was that translated wut?
I... no, I don't.
I cant even.
Look - two @AviD's ^
@RoryAlsop heh. the joys of multilanguage keyboards.
@RoryAlsop dang, thats like a fantasy
you're welcome. Brain soap not provided.
@RoryAlsop you should visit that q again. see if it happens for you too.
or maybe @Jefff decided to change his avatar to a tigger too.
06:55
@AviD Certainly it's neither.
@DavidFreitag I dunno, he makes a pretty solid case for it.
also, wasting it on pranking the neighborhood supermarket doesnt seem worth it.
@AviD It would obviously end in an argument. Which, I suppose, is a form of fight.
@DavidFreitag lemme guess, bickering about which of you is the "real" one.
If you kill your clone is it murder or suicide?
like in The Prestige.
@DavidFreitag a damn good magic trick.
06:57
@AviD No, if either one of us is in an argumentative mood then it doesn't really matter what the topic is.
also, a silly waste.
@DavidFreitag ah, right, you're not married. ;-)
Also, if you fuck your clone is it masturbating?
@DavidFreitag he discusses that.
but expand your horizons.
if your gf sleeps with your clone, is it cheating?
Do I get to watch?
Who are we kidding, what gf
@DavidFreitag see? that's what you have a clone for
@DavidFreitag okay, what if you join in. Is that incest?
07:02
@AviD No I think if I had a clone they would be the perfect person to bounce ideas off of. We'd be the perfect engineering team.
@DavidFreitag except that would be the same as rubber ducking.
@AviD Certainly not, your clone is not family it is you.
intellectual masturbation.
What's the difference between a clone and an identical twin?
@AviD I'm completely ok with that
07:03
also, that might make sense if your clone would hang around for a few months. what can you cover in one hour?
Imagine if Einstein had a clone to work with
@CodesInChaos a twin is a brother
well, or sister
@AviD We would probably accomplish a shorthand for everything we talk, so anything overheard would seem like jibberish
At that point we could have lengthy conversations in just a few sentences.
I don't really see a big difference. Both have the same genes and neither has your experiences.
And I'm just lazy enough that two of me would do a damn good job.
@CodesInChaos But that's the entire point of a clone, it shares all of your experiences and knows everything you know right up until the cloning process
I think we are talking about the "Exact copy" clone, not the "Used your DNA to make a baby" type clone.
07:06
I'm thinking of that scene in Multiplicity - where the clone wakes up after the process and thinks he's the original, looks for his clone....
basically he IS you.
just another you, seperate from your you.
The way I feel is there is no point in trying to figure out who the original is. You are exactly the same from the point of the copy, but directly after that your experiences are different.
yeah, if my clone were to stick around for a while, we would definitely use it for working together.
finally open that startup...
I wouldn't blame my copy if he hated me
07:08
oo! or start that boy band we've always wanted!
now we just need to learn how to play. RUFUS!
I'm not very good at musical, and I'm not spiteful, so the thought that my clone(s) would take up music is pretty low.
So I might get a new car
The choice is between a 2016 Mazda MX5 or a 2016 Ford Mustang (V6)
Both would be in red, the MX5 would be a convertible, but the stang would be a coupe
Both in the neighborhood of $23k
The MX-5 has the same 150 HP skyactive 40mpg engine as my current car, but the stang has a V6 300 HP ~20mpg
The MX-5 is two seater, but the stang has two (albeit small) back seats
07:25
@DavidFreitag one for you, and one for your clone.
@AviD Well unfortunately my clone wouldn't have a separate bank account or paycheck sooooo....
well why not?
Well at least no initially
Would both me and my clone need to file our taxes or just one of us?
I think that's a question for finances.se
@DavidFreitag or scifi.se
@AviD sff?
07:29
@DavidFreitag durp
@AviD No way, it wouldn't be nearly as ironic on there
On personal finances it would be hysterical
another interesting scenario that you could raise on finance.se with similar outcomes - what about if future you time travels back to now. do both of you (same you) need to file?
(and depending on what mood the mods are it might actually receive a valid and qualified answer)
and then what about insurance premiums?
@DavidFreitag go for it!
Dude someone with an account on finances needs to ask these - I need to see the hilarity ensue
07:31
@RoryAlsop pleasantly honest of them!
@RоryMcCune surprisingly so :-)
@RoryAlsop So are you on your hols today?
@RоryMcCune no - working from home. Initially because I need to pick up youngest from airport later, but also as Claire's car appears to have suffered a bad structural failure while we were away I need to be the family taxi. I'm working out a question to ask on mechanics.se before I get on to the garage :-(
@RoryAlsop ugh, not the best way to spend the day!
07:51
Morning!
@RоryMcCune especially as 2 more days to pay day...and Download was quite expensive...
whelp, I pulled the trigger... just accepted a job offer.
must have been inspired by @Simon!
@AviD 'Nother hipster position?
@AviD woo!
@DavidFreitag nope, closer to corp-ish, but not quite - good org, will tell ya after I sign.
07:58
@AviD Brimming with what I can only describe as excitement.
@AviD you sorted out the critical points though, like the MacBook Pro and iPhone you'll be getting... right?
well, they'd been after me for a couple years, I finally acquiesced.
@AviD does the company name start with a C?
@DavidFreitag heh. now I'm in the project crunch to finish off everything before I start. so a bit distracted.
@RоryMcCune C? no.... who's that?
aaahhh hehehe
@AviD checkmarx
07:59
@AviD I completely understand. I have no idea how that will work when I decide to change positions
nope. actually considered, but decided against.
@RоryMcCune hehe - I was told that when I start I can choose between mac and win laptop....
IMMA ASK FOR SP3, FULLY LOADED BITCHES!
@AviD That's easy, go mac install windows
@AviD if they're giving you some choice on model the new dell XPS' look nice..
The new dell business laptops look very nice
@RоryMcCune yeah?
as nice as mac hardware?
08:01
@AviD indeed really nice screens
@RоryMcCune will definitely take a look.
touchscreens also available if you like that kind of thing
I can't honestly say, I've never taken one apart, but if I had to guess I would say on par with a pre-retina MBP
I'm more particular of late. I dont want to lug a heavy truck around, but I also dont want a lightweight spec. Gotten spoiled... :-)
Because the retina MBP has some issues
08:02
@AviD in terms of things, I've actually used the HP Elitebook 840 G1 has been really good, and there's a bumped G2 version out now...
Hell even their consumer stuff looks pretty sweet.
the lenovo is definitly out of the question, of course.
and if they even so much as suggest it - the deal is off. :-)
@AviD blech indeed, I'd say Dell XPS or HP Elitebook would be two good options to look at
dont know that I have THAT much say. they probably have a stack of each...
@AviD My work lappy is a Dell Lattitude, powerful but a bit heavy for my liking
08:04
@AviD Why would you say that? Just make sure they install a fresh copy of windows 7 instead of the oem bloated crap
@RоryMcCune I will also admit - now that I've suffered through it, and seen the nice hardware, the mac is not completley out of the question. I can just pop open some RDPs and be sorted.
@DavidFreitag it's a trust thing. namely, they dont have mine.
and they should be punished.
market power, amirite?
@AviD a couple of years back I would've agreed that it was the best hardware around, these days, I think there's some realistic competition
will look at those options then
@AviD shrug. I'd be willing to bet they had a 3rd party sort out what bloatware crap gets put on the OEM image. If anyone's to blame it's that company.
really am liking the surface so far though :-)
08:06
@RоryMcCune Yes, Dell (and HP i guess) have really been stepping up their game as of late. It's because (at least in Dell's case) they were on the verge of going under a while back.
@DavidFreitag longer conversation, different time...
@AviD well there's rumours that the surface pro 4 will be out before long, sure that'll be nice too if the previous ones are anything to go by
@AviD The Surface 3 (non-pro) is absolutely fantastic.
@DavidFreitag yeah I think going private has helped dell
@DavidFreitag yeah my missus has both and she uses the non-pro more than the pro for everyday computing
@AviD Sure in the end they are responsible and should have had a team to go through the apps on the oem image and blah, blah, blah...
08:07
@RоryMcCune oh damn!
@RоryMcCune really? now THAT is interesting.
@RоryMcCune Judging by the way the others dropped in price when the newer models came out, perhaps a 3 might not be out of the question.
@AviD yeah it's powerful enough for surfing and general light computing, whilst being lighter and having a better battery life than the pro
@DavidFreitag no, I dont think they were negligent, I think they were malicious.
@AviD Why is that? It has a decently powerful Atom albeit it has only 2GB or so of ram
@RоryMcCune sure, but I figured your missus to be a heavy usage even for everyday type of gal
08:09
@AviD Definitely within the realm of possibilities, and probably likely. I'm just too naive to even consider it.
@AviD well she has a desktop as well which tends to get used for testing, so the surface is a more recreational machine
@AviD A friend of mine bought one. He runs VS2013 on it and he develops small apps no issues.
Outside of VS being a ram whore like Chrome
@DavidFreitag the non-pro? impressive.
@AviD Yes, the 3 is the first non-pro that is not running Windows RT
If you get the chance I would suggest trying one out. I don't know what sort of Best Buy type places you have around, but if you have access to a display model I would suggest poking at it
@DavidFreitag I played with a pro 3 at a microsoft store a few months ago. would have bought it on the spot, if I could have afforded it.
right now, I am super happy with my monster desktop, and a SP2 for mobility. (Thanks @Fairy!!! :D:D)
08:18
@AviD Yes they seem to be following in Apple's footsteps. They are 499 base, but my friend payed just shy of $800 fully kitted.
@DavidFreitag the pro is north of 2K, fully loaded.
@AviD True enough, but then, there really isn't a point to the pro. You're better off with a $1k laptop with equal specs.
The idea that the pro is a "laptop killer" is a complete fallacy when you can get a device with equal or even slightly better specs for half the price
The Surface 3 is slightly competitive, but when you factor the price of the addons you can still easily get a similarly featured laptop for the base price
I disagree. laptops are a poor compromise, and dont get you the mobility that a surface does.
I see no gain in mobility. In order to use that keyboard and to prop the surface up it practically needs to be on a solid surface, whereas a laptop can actually be used on my lap
Sure it has a small screen and it's thin, but you can get a similarly priced ultrabook which is thinner
Just as an example, I'd take a zenbook over a SP any day. The lower end zenbooks are even competitive (price wise and spec wise) with the Surface 3.
oh I agree that the pricing for the surfaces are not balanced. I'm just talking about the device itself, independant of price.
08:27
Same screen size, same touchscreen, same cpu, more ram, more battery, bigger ssd thinner, solid keyboard...
Independent of price see the list above
@AviD congratulations! Can you say where?
29 mins ago, by AviD
@DavidFreitag nope, closer to corp-ish, but not quite - good org, will tell ya after I sign.
:-)
@RoryAlsop research, though.
@RoryAlsop I might be getting a 2016 fastback mustang :D
V6 though :/
@AviD sorry - was dialled in to 2 conf calls. I can only multitask so much :-)
@DavidFreitag I saw the picture up there ^ nice
@AviD excellent
@RoryAlsop heheh
@RoryAlsop but thanks :-)
08:41
learning spanish from 80's code and google translate is probably going to leave me with a terrible accent.
basically gonna be this guy
@AviD duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
college humour on a tuesday morning
heh, actually tubetrolled myself
soo not cool
sorry bout that
BTW are you still avoiding GoT spoliers?
08:47
@RоryMcCune YES
I'm going to watch tonight
so I am too
but I did see the finale yesterday
@AviD I haven't, no spoilers for the finale!
11 hours ago, by AviD
OHEMMGEE I HATE GOT SO MUCH
11 hours ago, by AviD
I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING
@AviD ahh, I C
the missus watched last night and has been trying to avoid spoiling it this morning
08:48
spoilers: blood, swords, sex, dragons. not in that order.
with varying degrees of success
09:07
@AviD I'm with that dude on the Croissant pronunciation though...
@RoryAlsop yeah, another reason I bring donuts, I always say croissant wrong.
@AviD whereas doughnut you only spell wrong :op
@RоryMcCune I have all the episodes from this series Sky+'ed - need to watch them some time. Can I have a clue though, are there boobs, death, swords and dragons?
@RoryAlsop exclusively.
@RoryAlsop ... yes (although some of them made @AviD feel like a pedobear), hells yes, yes, and yes
09:08
hahahahahahaha
@RoryAlsop Dead Sworddragon boobs.
09:50
@Arperum ahh, my 3rd favourite kind
@RоryMcCune lol
@RoryAlsop you're liking it wrong
it actually is echoing a scene in an episode.... so its doubley funny
@AviD hahahaha - spolier
well... not really
isn't it all episodes. Reminds me of Gormenghast
 
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11:34
@RoryAlsop loads of all
12:06
@AviD What happen?
You can use military grade encryption (AKA ROT13) to hide the spoilers.
@CodesInChaos Technically, a clone is a set of individuals with the same genes, so two twin brothers ("true" twins) are, together, one clone.
People use the term "clone" to designate what is, in fact, a member of the clone.
The proper way to use genetic cloning is to create another individual with your genes; by nature, that other clone member will be younger, and thus appropriate for harvesting replacement organs.
Organs, plural? Who needs that? A brain transplant should be enough.
@CodesInChaos Transplanting brains is difficult.
There is an Italian physician who tries to get money to attempt a head transplant, and that's already going to be very hard.
@AviD Hahaha, congrats!
13:14
I have so much documentation to write, ffs.
That's what I get for not documenting my entire journey here.
@Simon is this for the place you're leaving
@RоryMcCune Yeah.
If so surely the documentation is "#YOLO suckers111!1"
Haha, nah I'll do it properly.
well ok if you have to, but at least put in a link that "provides more information" that goes to a Rickroll video on youtube
13:20
Hahahaha.
@Simon that said, it'll be a bit trickier than it used to be to do that, the original one got "blocked for copyright infringement" youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Are you serious?
@Simon yeah that's a link to the takedown
What a dickhead, the video that was originally posted brought his god damn career back.
security.stackexchange.com/questions/91718/… am I being too bitchy? (actual question -- I've already redacted myself a couple of times)
(the GNOME part)
13:27
@SteveDL 3 PARAGRAPHS?!? What am I, a novel reader?
read the last one you donut
pls
(also why is there a close vote on security.stackexchange.com/questions/91732/…)
@SteveDL What is supposed to be bitchy, the "in a few years" part?
the "they refuse to discuss security"
literally there's a guy who's the lead developer on their compositor and who thinks he's a security expert
except he isn't
myself and a guy on the X.org board are proposing infrastructure for cross-DE security decision making, and have opened a few discussion topics of security issues in Wayland desktops, but that guy basically decided he's so much more competent than us that even listening to us is a waste of his time
That's not the last paragraph!
i tried not to put that
ah, the last third of the text sorry :p
13:33
The only thing I'm worried about is that you have no reference for those claims.
it's IRC chatlogs and conference discussion mostly
As long as you have a way to prove that this is what they did, I don't think that's too harsh at all.
which is why I think the answer is dodgy
Mhm.
Maybe add a part that states where you've heard this.
clarified a bit
13:40
YOU ADDED MORE TEXT?
What am I, even more a novel reader?
dude im in academia
i hate conference papers, they're under 20 pages
no content
I'm 12, my attention span cannot withstand that much text!
have a donut then
I'm having a muffin bar instead
@SteveDL You know, it occurs to me that @Simon is basically Homer Simpson but less funny.
13:44
I find the "less funny" part the most offensive.
@TerryChia haha
This is such a difficult decision
@DavidFreitag Yes.
Does anyone here have any experience leasing a car in the US?
@Simon 2015 3.7L V6 Mustang, or 2016 MX-5 same drivetrain (ish) as my current mazda?
Option 1: Heavy as F, the V6 is not that fast and it's expensive. Option 2: Mazda is Mazda.
13:52
@Simon Not as fast? It literally has twice the power as the 2.0L V4 in the MX-5...
Of course it does, like I said Mazda is Mazda.
Granted twice the power and half the gas mileage
@Simon But there's more to it. Mustang has 4 seats, MX-5 only has two. The MX-5 is a convertible with a soft top
You're a big man, I highly doubt that you're gonna be comfortable in the Miata.
The stang is more expensive, but since it has fully independent rear suspension and a clever(ish) rear diff it handles well too.
@Simon Obviously I'm not going to make the decision without thorough test drives...
How much would the Mustang cost?
13:55
A base model V6 is ~$25k
Plus $1200 for an automatic transmission
Not too bad but I'm assuming that you'll want more options than the base.
Wait, wait, wait. If you don't buy it stick I'm no longer talking to you.
And probably another $1800 for a wing, 18" tires (instead of stock 18"), brembos, fog lights, hids etc
@SteveDL You can be as bitchy as you want, as long as you can assume the consequences.
@Simon I... can't do it. I will buy a beater and learn myself to manual. As of right now I have zero experience. And I know yes, yes it's simple to learn and I'll remember it forever, but I have my reasons.
@ThomasPornin fair enough
13:58
@DavidFreitag That's so fucking cheap. You can't even buy the right to own a car for 25k here.
@TerryChia Really? That sucks D:
@SteveDL You can use conference papers as the teaser for an subsequent journal paper.
@DavidFreitag The best way to learn is... Believe it or not, simply to drive stick!
@TerryChia Singapore is insane vehicle-wise.
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