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@ThomasPornin really? like what, and how?
@AviD pls
@Iszi pls
@AviD pls
01:03
@AviD Alert messages were the first method by which padding oracle attacks worked.
Also Bleichenbacher's attack on RSA.
 
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05:03
halloo
05:16
Morning
05:26
Hows stuff?
Grand. Busy. Friday. Sunny.
Chose 4 words to describe your day
:-)
05:55
anyone else feel like trying to explain to this guy about his error. He seems to think that if you use the wrong block mode, knowing a single plaintext/ciphertext combo for AES will let you solve any of them... Scary part is he has almost 2k rep
it's too late at night and I need to go to sleep, and he doesn't seem to be trusting me telling him he is off his rocker
 
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07:41
@AviD 19th, but I'm going directly from the airport to a place far away to meet some friends. I'm staying there for two days
@Adi yeah you said, but I meant "... to Amsterdam."
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@AviD I'm coming back to Amsterdam on the 21st, as early as possible
I dont know why, but that guy makes me want to slap @Simon.
@Adi oh! I see, so early before the conference.
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Jepp
so I guess wednesday night for beers is out then
@RоryMcCune you still in?
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07:53
@AJHenderson I highly suspect he's referring to the pattern leak in ECB (key reuse and no IV). He's technically not saying anything blatantly wrong. He's just trying to look smart by showing he knows about the crypto tux.
I'd just leave him alone.
08:17
@AviD yarr should be
cool cool. I am flying out Thursday nite, so you'll have to do double duty on the beernites.
you poor man.
@AviD it's a heavy burden but I'lll just have to bear it!
@RоryMcCune beer it
heh
Vulnerability Name generator
an essential feature of a modern security life!
@RоryMcCune heh that's cute, I just got #PISTIL: PAGE ICON SYSTEM TRACEROUTE INCLUSION LOGIC-BOMBS
08:26
@TildalWave yeah some of them come close to making sense!
goes to write favicon exploit :)
#ANUSGLANDS: AMPLIFICATION of NOT UNPROTECTED SOCKS to GATHER LOGIC ARRAY of NETWORK-MAPPING DISCREPANCY for SAFETY :)))
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@AJHenderson Mentioned CTR mode.
If you reuse a (key,IV) pair with CTR mode, you get a two-time-pad.
#DMZ: DUMPSEC MISSING ZERO-DAY-ATTACK
If the message is in natural language, this allow recovery of large chunks of the message with two-time use and nearly perfect recovery with 3 uses.
08:38
RUNTIME
OPENSSL
REQUIREMENTS
YIELD
the #RORY vuln!
#PORN: PLATFORM OPEN RIDING NETWORK
 
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09:58
@RоryMcCune thats cool, I used to have to work hard to come up with them.
too bad it doesnt allow you to specify specific cateogries or words to include
a decent alternate to my time based encryption TARDIS:
#TARDIS: TIME ALTERNATE RULE-SET-BASED-ACCESS-CONTROL DECRYPTION INPUTS S/KEY
#PENIS: PUBLIC-KEY EXECUTABLE NEUTRALISATION IDENTIFIERS SYMMETRIC-KEY
#SIMONSMOM: SPLIT-KEY INTEGER MULTI-HOMED OBSCURITY NULL-SESSION SYSTEM-SPECIFIC-POLICY MONITOR OPTIMISATION MECHANISM
10:44
#BEAR: BOOT ERROR API RANDOM
#TARP: TARGET ANAL RETENTIVE PIT
@RоryMcCune Injecting JS into binaries??
11:01
@deed02392 yeah you totes missed that one :op it's a product called Frida
nice
really sexy website too
11:24
Those who cannot remember the past are too busy building our future
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#deepthoughts
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@TildalWave :O
It generates an ICON!!
This is for VENOM
A lot cooler than the original icon, if you ask me
@DavidFreitag Did they change the layout of Google Play Music or I messed up something?
@Adi Cheers.
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12:31
Come on now people it's Friday!
Why's everyone so quiet
It's usually very quiet on Fridays here for some reason.
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13:09
That's lame
It's like people have better things to do
@raz It took you 30 mins to answer you donut :p
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Well I am doing real work
I was just hoping for a little more activity.
This is where the @chat-all script comes in handy :D
Eat a donut, that'll do I bet.
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I'm not so sure that's what I need
13:26
I'm on a Threat Modelling course, thus my quietness....
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13:39
I'm trying to find good sources for learning the ARM instruction set
Also, to anyone who's listening. ARM has a link register which holds the return value. Does this mean that buffer overflows are less likely to lead to code execution? The stack is still corruptible, but it seems less likely that the overflow will lead to something useful.
14:13
@raz There is only one link register; it is, in fact, a cache on the top stack element.
When a function A is called, it receives the return address in the LR register
If A calls another function B, then it must free that register, so it writes down the contents of LR on the stack, and retrieves the value from that stack slot when it returns.
So, from the point of view of the attacker, everything happens as if the stack had been used all along, provided that the overflow occurs after the first nested call to another function from the attacked function.
This is the common case, when the overflow comes from an uncontrolled call to strcpy() or sscanf(), since, by definition, a sub-call occurs.
Note also that a stack is a stack, so a buffer overflow can overwrite the stack elements of a parent function as well.
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@ThomasPornin This is true, I'm just learning about the ARM architecture, so I wasn't sure how it resolved the nested function calls.
That all makes a lot of sense. As long as you can overflow far enough up the stack, the same issues still arise.
@raz In RISC systems, the stack is often less tied to the hardware; in fact, it can be completely emulated by software. The CPU uses the link register; the rest is up to the code.
If the code wishes to manage a part of RAM in a stack fashion, and dedicate a register for that, then so be it. The CPU needs not be aware of it.
The Alpha architecture was a lot more extremist. In the Alpha, there is no dedicated link register either; the "branch opcode" was using two registers, one that contains the destination, the other receiving the return address.
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@ThomasPornin Oh wow, Yeah I'm finding the whole moveq and movlt type syntax to be interesting.
14:38
How to deal with people who systematically post crappy answers? :| security.stackexchange.com/questions/89319/…
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@SteveDL Yeah he has a lot more minuses than plus
I flagged the answer
15:26
@RоryMcCune Is this where you dress up as an NSA staffer and grin evilly while holding a spliced fibre optic cable dredged from the bottom of the atlantic?
Or did I misinterpret modelling?
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15:40
@Rhino The spliced cables came from the Pacific... duh
@raz details, details.
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@Rhino When you get details wrong, that's when all hell breaks lose, and Jack Bauer has to come and save your ass.
@raz Dammit Chloe! We're running out of time!
Do you know how many terrorists try to break through our firewall every second??
I should be their external advisor for security. After lengthy consideration of your network we have decided your telephone sounds are annoying and have you tried not connecting your sensitive intelligence data to the internet?
Plus, your background checks could do with some work because there's about 5 moles a season.
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@Rhino LOL
"Why do children keep breaking into the Pentagon!"
The security gates just don't stop the Big Wheels
@SteveDL I'm not sure why that question got downvoted. But I think that knowing the difference between encryption and ACLs, and how to use them is a completely valid question.
@raz I downvoted it because it's too broad and barely answerable :p
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15:50
And yet you answered it...
though I'm hesitating
I cant decide if to flag it as too-broad or undownvote
i've been looking at the page and tihnking about how I'd answer the same question to one of my undergrads
It's a legitimate question for a beginner, but it doesn't fit the SE format
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I think he's confused the two concepts, and how to use them. Clarifying each, and explaining when each should be used is perfect.
It is a beginner question, but not all questions need to be "expert" questions. It's also not a typical question that would be easy to find an answer to by googling.
fine, you're right
I'm undownvoting and adding a comment stating this can't be answered precisely because both concepts are very broad
@raz any improvements I could make to my answer?
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@SteveDL I think making a note that while encrypting something with a password does protect against unauthorized access, it is not in fact an Access Control by definition.
The OP sees the end result as being the same, which is the source of their confusion.
It's close to this question
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Q: Why would I need access control policies if I use encryption?

ShaniIf encrypted data is stored on a server, and decryption key is disseminated to the legitimate users (through email), is there a need to implement access control policies? What could be a possible scenario where I need both of them (if decryption key is only available to the legitimate users)?

@SteveDL Possibly reference this question and answer for clarification
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Q: What's the difference between an access control method, security model, and security policy?

Mike B(I should apologize in advance because this question is going to be messy -- I'll try to refine it as the subject becomes more clear to me). I'm studying for the CISSP exam and I'm getting confused on the differences between access control methods, security models, and security policies. When...

16:06
@raz argh, more text :p I think I covered the main differences, and I need to rush to grab a seat into a nice no-reservation restaurant tonight. If anyone finds something is lacking, please do edit the answer!
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@SteveDL Haha, good luck!
 
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17:11
@Simon They did and I hate it
So anyone who is on the fence about Project CARS: I'm here to tell you DO EEEEET. It's amazing. 15GB installed and next to no loading screens.
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Project CARS...
Oh a video game, yeah I don't have my desktop hooked up.
It's like F1 2014 and Forza 4 had a baby. And it's a beautiful one.
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haha
17:27
@DavidFreitag Yeah not a fan so far too.
I guess we just have to get used to it.
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@Simon That's right, be Google's bitch
17:53
@Simon Dude, all album covers are square, so they make the albums in Play music round? Are you shitting me?
18:21
@raz Please, tell us everything about DuckDuckGo.
@DavidFreitag Yeah that's quite dumb.
@Simon @raz yes, everything about DDG and their large-scale music serv... oh wait.
18:42
@Gilles Nobody said anything about hookers either, I suppose?
@Iszi I'm sure we all thought it.
19:40
FYI to any Bourdain fans, Parts Unknown season 4 is on Netflix now :D
@Iszi Ex-mom wouldn't be happy to hear you talk like that.
@Simon Hey, that was her career choice. Had nothing to do with me.
wot
@Simon You should probably put that burn under cold water.
@DavidFreitag Ex-mom is @Iszi's wife, how is that a burn?
19:44
@Simon How is anyone who was ever your mom my current wife if I'm your ex-dad?
wat
@Iszi My biological mom has nothing to do with this, lads.
I'm getting adopted all over the place.
Awesome, udev is my new best friend.
@Simon And who the hell are you calling a "lad" and "ex-dad" at the same time?! Show some damn respect for your elders, kiddo.
@Simon She has a large enough gravitational pull that she always has something to do with everything.
19:46
@Iszi You're my ex-dad because you've disrespected me and you're expecting me to respect you now?!?
@RоryMcCune I think we're back at it, The DMZ soap.
Keep going, I got a bag of popcorn.
I'm kind of leaving work in a minute though, soz.
@DavidFreitag Nice one! But I think I'd have kept the "whore" thing going instead.
Which is actually in my favor since I just realized I hate popcorn.
@Iszi That was your thing, I mostly know of her from studying the coriolis effect of objects in her orbit.
 
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Q: Can HR/Boss Require Your Username and Password?

MelissaWe recently received this email at our work from the HR Department. We work in the healthcare industry and our username and password is linked to everything that we do. We have to follow strict HIPAA guidelines. Would providing our username and password not be a breach of our privacy? And how d...


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