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@Simon So you're making her just sit there while you type pls repeatedly into this chat room?
Poor girl.
@AviD I've heard of that, but never seen it
shame on you. go watch it now.
skip over all the parts where Robin Williams isn't talking.
00:23
@Rhino the specific line I was referring to was this:
@Rhino My poor donut is sick so I'm joining her in da bed.
PLEES NO DETAILS PLS
Either you edit that to "pls" or I'm sharing all the details.
That'll do, I'll give you a chance.
01:19
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A: Security devices other than firewall and IDS

GingerBeardProxy, Adaptable Security Appliance, DMZ, and Automated Vulnerability Scanners are some items you'll find in the wild that are hardware. There's plenty more security related software items that will help you with research such as Splunk which takes logs and makes them searchable.

chosen as the answer within seconds of it being posted ....
01:38
then the OP switched a couple minutes later ...
head scratch
 
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04:09
I just received an unsolicited email "Join Fabric at Google I/O", I clicked "Unsubscribe" without thinking, and it tries to send me to https://app.tweet.twitter.com/e/u?s=1259914507&elq=0fb5bc6fd9fc43d7b5c6deab6b32130a which looks trustworthy but gets blocked by Firefox as "This Connection is Untrusted"... am I paranoiac, or could this be an elaborate infection attempt?
[by the way: would this be on-topic as a question?]
I think it's a very bad screw up by marketing
the cert is for eloqua.com, which is a marking company
without knowing all the details, I cannot be sure, but I'm guessing a complete mess by the email marketing dept
and no - not on topic
Thanks! I guess I will proceed with the unsubscribe then :-) And try to tell them about the screw up, if I can find any feedback link.
 
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07:42
'sup
@LucasKauffman 'sup
@RоryMcCune not much not much, yourself?
@LucasKauffman watching election results and doing Report QA this morning ..
@RоryMcCune election results?
@LucasKauffman was the UK election yesterday
interesting set of results and not quite as predicted in the polls
07:48
Cameron?
@RоryMcCune All I heard about Cameron were his fuck ups :P
@RоryMcCune who did you vote for?
@LucasKauffman the conservatives look to have got back in and increased their share of the vote, which is a surprise. Scotland has gone from having 6 of of 59 SNP MPs to having 56 out of 59 SNP MPs
@RоryMcCune Did Cameron not promise scottland more independance?
@LucasKauffman there were promises made by all three major UK parties at the referendum, it remains to be seen how exactly they get implemented ...
with the conservatives having 1MP in scotland they may not feel too invested in helping scots people out..
true
@RоryMcCune do they need the seats of the SNP for a majority?
@LucasKauffman doesn't look like it. The guess before yesterday was that Labour+SNP would be more than the conservatives but this doesn't seem to have played out
07:59
@RоryMcCune labour lost a lot of seats I heard
Scotland was largely labour before yesterday but they managed to mess up spectacularly in Scotland, badly misread the electorate
08:31
Hello. This is all ... horrible.
@Tinned_Tuna We are all going to die.
Well. You lot might, I'm can still emigrate somewhere.
08:51
@Tinned_Tuna Does emigration prevent aging?
@CodesInChaos not quite, but I could go somewhere with a higher life expectancy.
So that might help
Well we only have about 93% mortality so far. So there is hope :)
I could be in that 7%!
09:08
@Tinned_Tuna i take it you're a EU citizen in the UK?
y'know, Labour want us out too so it's not a big deal :-)
09:19
@SteveDL I was hoping for hung parliment whereby parties like greens would outnumber UKIP, and therefore swing the commons in favour of the left
and keep us in. But now I am sad.
 
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10:22
I feel you...
10:40
the awkward moment when my former student answers a question on usable security on SE. :p
10:56
@SteveDL usable or not usable :p
@SteveDL Was it your question?
@RоryMcCune Out of interest, how did they misread? I probably wouldn't vote nationalist even if I could (no SNP candidates in my England constituency!) but I'm intrigued by the swing and why it happened.
@CodesInChaos not my question, just spotted it today
@Rhino they supported the No position for scottish independence I believe
except their electorate was probably pro-independence and the tories' anti-.
11:11
@SteveDL I can't see it being that simple - while close, the no vote did win.
@Rhino: Also, the SNP probably has things other than independance they want
A bigger share of oil revenue I'd guess
@JourneymanGeek indeed. Although it can work out that % of electorate doesn't transfer into seats. UKIP according to the BBC took 12% of the vote, but got 1 seat.
Whereas yes/no independence was a straight up national ballot
SNP and LAB have similar policies, so the Yes voters all voted SNP and the No voters might've scattered across the board and even voted SNP to assure a seat for an allegedly leftist party
@Rhino: heh. The government here wion 60% of the votes here but hold something like 80% of the seats
The big surprise for me was that the concervatives managed to get elected on their own.
Poor lib dems tho
Oh. Thanks very much guys - I managed to avoid any news about the election until I came in here. Dammit!
11:18
@RoryAlsop Well I predicted wrong.
Did you? I don't think I actually read what you guessed (deliberately)
@JourneymanGeek Yeah that was surprising. I didn't feel any of the parties had any significant gravitas or drive or believable message... although the swing for the SNP in Scotland clearly indicates they did.
Well, of the options available, this is the least bad result
@RoryAlsop oops.
11:35
bonjour
@JourneymanGeek Well, it gives us better stability, stock market is up, my shares are up, my employer is in a better place...
@RoryAlsop what election? :p
And it's not Labour or UKIP
The downside - it looks like SNP blew up Scotland
bonjour @Simon
i am jacques from france
11:44
@RoryAlsop I agree.
@RoryAlsop funnily enough, from a continential standpoint Tories and Labour have the exact same economic policies -- we wouldn't expect UK banks to be significantly affected by a Labour government (at least nowhere near as continental banks are by socialist governments)
oh, moderators: i'm surprised that there's a vote to close security.stackexchange.com/questions/88783/… as opinion-based. We do a lot of research and we build models of why the things that OP observed are happening in my group, so I believe the question is well-suited, so long as unknowledgeable users don't make up answers
@SteveDL a single close vote won't make any difference - it's just one 3k user's view.
it takes 5 to actually close it and if it's really felt to be an error, another 5 to re-open it
@SteveDL I agree with the vote to close though, it does seem to be very opinion-based oriented.
Especially when the question starts with "In a philosophical sense is heterogeneous security..."
11:51
@Simon There's good subjective/bad subjective to consider. Not all questions can be framed in a way as to be a problem people need to solve - or rather, the problem they need to solve is not directly solvable. There's a scope problem (is this an entire research field they're asking about) potentially, and a question of whether it will degenerate into a mess.
We'll see, I won't vote and will let the community decide.
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I think that question will generate too much discussion, and it seems unlikely that the OP will get the answer he actually wants.
The question is can it be made into a question that can be answered?
@Simon philosophy informs design practice and usability research, which inform security technologies :p
i'm writing an answer
@raz That's exactly my point.
@SteveDL And philosophy highly depends on opinions :p
11:56
I think it's a question not ideally suited to this site, but that is in an interesting space - sometimes questions on the edge are saved by good answers
@SteveDL this is true, but SE as a place is generally more accepting of questions that have answers - a problem to solve that other people can benefit from knowing the answer - rather than a discussion. As SE has grown there's been a realization that not question/answer combinations discussing no direct problem are actually valuable.
I won't vote to close, but it's an edge case
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It's a good question don't get me wrong.
I think
The question is, where does it fit on that line and can it be made into a question / answer that inspires and educates and is worth having around, rather than a big long thread of I think, well I think.
11:57
@Simon it's actually a science -- it does sometimes require you to make base assumptions, but you can build upon them and build coherent bodies of work. There's a divide in HCI between cognitivists and phenomenologists, but both families of research are relatively self-consistent
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Yeah, if an answer crops up that is good I'll recant my vote.
@SteveDL Then, I'm curious to read your answer.
GOD DAMN IT I'M SUPER FRENCH THIS MORNING
most security research, including most usable security research, is only informed by cognitive psychology which is positivst and cognitivist. In more recent years, phenomenologist HCI researchers have looked at security (and the research I do is also phenomenologist).
Also @SteveDL the point of on holding questions is to tell the OP "this doesn't fit right now". It's deliberately distinct from deletion in that the question can easily be re-opened in the case of a mistaken close, or, if the question is improved.
That's fair enough
11:59
@SteveDL biggest collection of long words we've had in here for a long time!
the question is ambiguous / poorly worded
of course size isn't everything
inb4 @Simon
8==D
I didn't know what to say, sorry.
@Simon lol
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:facepalm:
12:00
@raz Oh don't be like that, it's Friday!
Of course this process is usually trivialized to EVIL MODRATOR NAZIS CLOSIN ALL OUR QWESTIONS! but hey.
@Rhino I iz evil modrat
raz
raz
I am the walrus
@RoryAlsop why have nuance and different internet venues for discussion when you can be angry on the internet?!
@raz Are you saying that you're the 1%?
12:03
@SteveDL also if you think a question is wrongly closed you can always debate it on meta.security.se - no guarantees you'll get the outcome you want but you can at least raise it.
Yep, but don't be this guy:
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Q: What's wrong with this question?

Smit Johnthlink Is it really unclear? I mean, there is a link to vulnerability description and a question IS THERE AN EXPLOIT FOR THIS????????!. How is it possible one could not get it?

Because that guy, is punch-in-the face worthy.
raz
raz
Get your hands off me!
@Simon I am the 1%
Knew it.
@Rhino I even had trouble being grumpy yesterday, let alone angry. I think only @RоryMcCune and my wife know the handful of people who have ever made me angry :-)
12:07
@RoryAlsop I was more referring to the view that all modrators are monkeys
@raz That's one hell of a 1%, man.
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You ever heard of the 1%ers?
pretty sure it occupies more than 1% of the space
@SteveDL Yeah not really proportional representation is it?
12:09
@raz it says you're the 3% on your page
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@SteveDL Touche
@SteveDL it says @raz only needs 69 more points to hit his 5k
:-)
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@SteveDL I didn't notice since the profile page isn't knew and unhelpful
@RoryAlsop 7 votes :P
@raz Nope, who are they?
@RoryAlsop That's quite impressive though. I'm probably into double figures already...
12:12
@RoryAlsop What are you on about? He's already at 5k.
@raz correct - I edited accordingly :-)
@Simon nice work
wot
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@Simon Back in the day a motorcycle gangs had a bad wrap. So one of them came out and said, "Most motocycle gangs are actually fine and non-violent, it's the 1% that give us a bad name." So gangs like Hell's Angels who are started wearing 1% patches on their vests. To let people know they were the 1%. And generally you don't mess with them.
@raz Oh, god damn, that's rough.
raz
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12:13
Actually from Wiki: One Percenter, a term for a member of an outlaw motorcycle club derived from the statement "99% of motorcyclists are law-abiding citizens"
Serial upvoting reversal incoming probably.
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@Arperum ?
@Arperum It's just 7 votes.
@Simon 7 is enough to trigger it I'm pretty sure.
12:14
We'll see.
Yeah.
How quickly would it happen though?
raz
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Like an avalanche
dayum
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Holy shit seriously... 7 upvotes
That escalated quickly
@Rhino there's nothing discussiony about that question.
12:18
@Simon I think the script runs once everyday, IIRC around 3AM my time.
allo papa gilles
@RoryAlsop I'm surprised to see you on the side of the closers. I'd have expected you to know that security isn't only about computers.
@Arperum Ah, damn.
(and this is coming from someone who works on embedded systems — my security is about computers)
papa gilles est crue ce matin
12:21
@Simon really?
I'm not sure what this "really" is reallying about.
@Rhino I was thinking that Labour misread the situation in scotland, a lot of ex-labour voters moved to the SNP 'cause the current labour party don't seem to be left wing at all. There's a lot of people who are life long labour voters who now are SNP voters...
Partially I think it was the referendum that showed that the SNP were a viable party to support (rather than just a protest vote) combined with labours move to the centre in terms of policies
you said daddy gilles is raw this morning, with a grammar implying that daddy gilles is in fact a mommy
so i dont get why Gilles is raw :-)
@SteveDL or maybe he meant I'm believed
@Gilles I'm puzzled by what you mean
12:23
or maybe that I'm a flood
oh that would work too
@RоryMcCune interesting, ok thanks. As I say I only see it from south of the border and what I read about in newspapers... which is obviously not unbiased.
@Rhino god no. Scotland actually has a new news outlet that came about after every saw how biased the referendum coverage was from pretty much every other source
@Gilles - I didn't close vote. I think the question is not well worded.
The new "The national" paper in Scotland is also biased but at least they disclose it openly :)
12:25
@RoryAlsop setting strict rules vs getting people to care is a classic question in security, and this question has enough specific examples to be answerable
@Gilles I disagree. Depending on who answers it, it could degenerate into a discussion, or it could actually be really informative. I didn't commit to either side - if I had to make a choice I'd say leave it be, see what happens. That's why I said it's only 1 vote.
it's not calling for discussion, it's asking how to tell when the rules are too strict
@Gilles Ahh - that's why the question is badly worded. Asking how to tell is very much discussion/philosophy/opinion
I hope for good answers, and possibly an edit to the question
@Gilles if it is, then those words are not in there.
@SteveDL I just wanted him to acknowledge me :'(
I think he might be a good candidate to be my SE dad.
12:28
I mean sure, that's a good question - and will generate some fascinating answers.
ohh noes! did I miss some drama?
what q you all on about?
I can't influence the decision in any case, so it's moot what I think.
@AviD Simon called me a girl
@Gilles hahahaha
should I kick him?
I think I should kick him.
not that calling you a girl is such a horrible insult - the other way around
@RоryMcCune Yeah. I've taken to reading all the newspapers and a bit of online news and taking an "average" - I can't stand the bias.
12:30
that is, wait, I didnt mean "he is insulting girls by calling you one"
@AviD Rename him to La Simon.
I mean that once again @Simon is showing his misogyny by using "girl" as an insult.
@Rhino La La La Simon
@AviD ... I didn't even call him a girl, stop being a dumbass.
You gullible donut.
@Rhino the average is often still so far from the truth.... I saw this so much last year during the "war" here
@Simon wut.... hahahahahaha
damn @Gilles donuted me, but good
still think I should kick @Simon though.
That's why I might want him to be my new dad.
12:32
@AviD Yeah but it's a better guess than just one paper. Also it's interesting to see some of the international view. I'm becoming more of a skeptic.
@Rhino "more"??
@AviD reminds me of the classic la la la la la la la la la la ooh hoo hoo hoo
it's on youtube
suitable for work, but odd
and I can't view it here
@RoryAlsop oh, I was referring to la la la bamba
@AviD bamba has nothing on this
Isn't it a la bamba?
A LA BAMBA
12:33
It's a classic from Rathergood/7 Seconds of Love
@AviD I've always been cynical.
@RоryMcCune At least they have the ability to put their view out there now.
Such a classic.
@Rhino right, I was implying that "more cynical" is too much cynical.
so, @Rhino @RoryAlsop @RоryMcCune, y'all happy with the turnout?
must be chuffed that UKIP got 3 seats.
12:36
@AviD No - zero would have been a much better number
@AviD UKIP only got one which, with 3.8 M votes is daft
Happy that the 'Radge quit though :-)
I don't like them but they should have more seats with that number of votes
@RоryMcCune oh, I saw that UKIP + Green together got 3.
UKIP 1 greens 2
12:37
supposedly thats around 5 M votes....
@AviD yeah they got like 12.5% of the vote, more than the SNP, but 1 seat versus 50 odd for the SNP
@AviD yeah and the tories won the whole thing 326 seats with less than 10M
crazy electoral system
@Rhino wat??
@RоryMcCune wat??
12:39
@AviD actually was 11,269,356 for 328 seats and and 3,866,924 for 1
@AviD A better result would have been to replace our political/voting system with something else. Anything else...
@RoryAlsop right? RIGHT??
The DUP got 8 seats with 184,260 votes!
@Rhino that doesnt help. I want a CGP Grey video explaining the method.
12:40
@AviD Why aren't you asking @deed02392 too? Is it because of his age? Leave your agism aside, old man.
@RоryMcCune thats not a direct explanation.
@AviD It's fairly straightforward: the country is split up into geographical regions. You vote for the candidate you want in your region. Most votes wins. That person occupies a seat.
@AviD it explains FPTP and PR
RE: vote on closing that compliance question, i replied (security.stackexchange.com/questions/88783/…)
@Simon heh. noooo, but he isnt here now.
aaaand didnt realize he's brit...
@Rhino ahhh its regional then.
12:41
You're such an agist.
and not by population, I assume?
lemme guess, arbitrary geographical areas are allocated a number of seats.
@AviD Yep. So that 12% of the vote is diluted over the constituencies such that whilst 12% of people overall voted for them, there was only one region with enough concentration of voters to get an MP.
on the other hand, people who are patently stupid enough to vote for UKIP get an equal vote as their intelligent neighbour across the street.
in a sense, constituencies make sense as they allow distinct regions to be properly represented. In another sense, that CON get a majority with 36% of the votes and Labour get 2/3 CON's seats with 30% is preposterous
@AviD not only that, every parliament they get shifted around by a little bit by whoever's in government to try to benefit them
12:47
@SteveDL I'm not holding the u.s. guvmint as any sort of ideal, but they do balance that relatively well with congress/senate.
@Rhino "redistricting". was a fantastic episode on Boston Legal.
@AviD ive no idea how it works in the US actually
@Rhino we had that in 2011 in France too :-)
@SteveDL noone does.
haha
well for the senate, each state (out of USA's 50) elects 2 per state. the house of representatives is more "local", and each geographic region elects their representative. supposedly it is supposed to be balanced between geographic size and population size.
it does have a bit of house of lords / house of commons feel to it, but all are elected.
now, whether or not that system works well, and the house regions are balanced properly, is a different question.
@AviD This isn't such a terrible system either IF the lords are chosen based on their contribution to society / merit and absolutely not politically based. What I'd really like is a counterbalance in the lords against professional politicians.
Of course, the previous balance was lords versus the commoners, literally, so...
12:57
do you watch house of cards?
@AviD best show ever after breaking bad
@LucasKauffman No, that would be Better Call Saul.
@AviD no, should I?
@Simon Better Saw Carl
@Rhino well it is a great show. but I was talking about understanding the political structures there.
@LucasKauffman still wrong.
12:59
@RoryAlsop Caaaaaaaarrrrrrrllllllllll
hello? Dr. Who? GoT?
@AviD I hope you mean the british version..
raz
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man we're all about politics today
@RоryMcCune of house of cards?
13:05
@AviD yarr
didnt know there was one
@AviD D'oh it was the original 1990 that the US series is a knock off of
starring ian richardson
House of Cards is a 1990 British political thriller television drama serial in four episodes, set after the end of Margaret Thatcher's tenure as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. It was televised by the BBC from 18 November to 9 December 1990, to critical and popular acclaim. Andrew Davies adapted the story from a novel written by Michael Dobbs, a former Chief of Staff at Conservative Party headquarters. Neville Teller also dramatised Dobbs's novel for BBC World Service in 1996, and it had two television sequels (To Play the King and The Final Cut). The opening and closing theme music for those...
WAT
I thought it was a netflix original
@AviD aye original in the sense that netflix made it rather than bought it but not original in the other sense...
the UK one was very good
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@AviD The reboot is
13:06
damn, did I just #simon up the place?
5
wow, even the same name.
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For some reason the UK version isn't on Netflix...
I've only watched a few episodes of Season 3 (US)
@AviD pls
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@SteveDL I retracted my vote. I liked your edit and your answer.
@raz huh? It used to be on my list on Netflix :-(
@RоryMcCune here's one for you, ya dang hipster
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Q: Is it safe to trust a docker container

0x1geneWhen it comes to docker, it is very convenient to use third party container that already exist to do what we want. The problem is those container can be very complicated and have a large parent tree of other containers and even pull some code from github or similar. All of it making it's the secu...

13:19
woohoo @raz :-)
13:32
@AviD well I have to know a little bit about docker for my presentation at AppsecEU :)
Adi
Adi
Hahahahga..
hahaha @RоryMcCune you did answer it :D
Adi
Adi
Farage managed to get one seat
@AviD well I've been reading about docker recently :)
@RоryMcCune right then, can we now agree that you are the more hipsterry between us?
13:33
@Adi not his own tho' he's resigned as party leader, for the time being anyway
Adi
Adi
@RоryMcCune Jepp
@AviD when I work for a company that forces me to use a macbook, sure :)
@AviD anyway you love MS and they're trying to become the arch-hipsters these days
hehe
you'll be installing docker for windows on your nano server with Roslyn before long I'm sure
Adi
Adi
It's funny how all the news was "Closest election EVER!!!"
and the results tell a totally different story
Cameron took the lead by full 6 points!
13:37
@Adi yeah the pollsters have egg on their faces... well that or they're actively in the pocket of the tories and wanted to big up the labour/SNP chances to motivate the tory base to vote
@RоryMcCune I'm doing VB.NET now, are you proud of me?
WAIT
Now that's right.
@Simon step into the right century anyway!
@Arperum VPN VPN VPN.. VPN VPN VPN :)
is what I'll be doing
@RоryMcCune ANd get your finances done through an out of UK bank?
13:47
@Arperum peoples finances are (AFAIK) available to police with a court order already...
@RоryMcCune Yea, but if everything is monitored by the government, that means a malicious person only has to hack through one piece of stuff to get all banking data.
@Arperum oh that side , well assuming that they hold all the monitored data in one place, which you'd kind of hope wouldn't be the case then yeah that could be an increased risk as well
@Arperum Yeah, but it's the government so it's definitely 100% secure. right? RIGHT?
@TerryChia Sure...
14:07
@Iszi Hi ex.
14:43
shame video GIFs don't onebox
that's a sweet setup
I think I used to know what that was
Not too bad ;p
@RоryMcCune This reminds me of dentistry.
sheeeet
there's a local distributor ;p
@ThomasPornin Tell us about the time where the dentist traumatized you when you were 10 years old.
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