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18:08
/tableflip
@Ohnana What, penetration wasn't good enough for you?
this is an essay for a class!
actually wait, i probably could get away with that.
hmm.
@Ohnana My boss didn't like it the first time I used the term "penetration testing".
Or at least I got a huge smile out of it.
@Rhino Are hipsters people too?
18:23
@Simon Is your boss a female?
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@DavidFreitag Where's here?
@raz Where I work
@DavidFreitag No, you?
urrrrh, students spamming before the exam
@Simon My direct boss is not, but the CEO is and I have several projects that I answer directly to her for.
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18:24
@SteveDL Just ignore them
sending me the same email three times in the same day emphasizing how urgent it is... ever heard of the concept of time management?
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@DavidFreitag "My name's @DavidFreitag and I'm important
@raz i feel too bad about the correlation between their tuition fees and my salary to do that :-(
@SteveDL tbf, time crunches are brutal
@SteveDL Setup an auto response: "It's nearing finals, and I'm just as swamped as you. Ever cared to consider managing your time more wisely?"
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18:26
@SteveDL You care, that's refreshing
@raz Ahno
My name may be @DavidFreitag, but I'm certainly not important. Useful, but not important.
@DavidFreitag i would laugh my ass off if a TA did that to me
@DavidFreitag You should invite her to a dinner.
@Simon I hate that term.. mainly 'cause it's ridiculously overused. everything from Vulnerability Assessment to Code review gets called a "penetration test"
@RоryMcCune That's because everyone giggles when we hear the term.
18:27
@Simon She's married. With kids. She's also the company president's daughter.
@RоryMcCune hey you what's a good way to say "cyberattack" that doesn't involve me rolling my eyeballs out
@Simon this would be why I prefer "security assessment"
@RоryMcCune thats ridiculous. having pentesters review code.... oh wait.
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@DavidFreitag What about the granddaughter ;)
18:28
@Ohnana attempt to compromise the security of a system
@raz She's 12.
it's more wordy but better
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>.<
@Ohnana advanced persistent threat group 17 struck again
@RоryMcCune \o/
18:28
Hahahaha.
@AviD that could NEVER happen come on those are two totally dissimilar skill sets no-one could confuse them!
@RоryMcCune gawd I hate security consultancies.
no offense.
Dude it's 30°C outside right now.
@SteveDL I've never understood the need to cram right up to the exam. I'm exactly the opposite - as much as possible I like to have the day off before the exam.
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@AviD consultancies?
18:29
And about 854932° in my car
@DavidFreitag 24 here!
@DavidFreitag Oh yeah, the drive home is gonna suck.
@raz yes
@Simon Pffft 95 on the highway will solve that issue immediately.
@AviD none taken. Actually quite enjoying some bits of working for one.. we have a LOAD of smart people. Internal mailing lists get some impressively quick results to obscure questions
@DavidFreitag it was 32 near me earlier and i almost died. my body was not fucking ready
18:30
@Ohnana I've never had that issue.
@RоryMcCune okay actually I should say managers of security consultancies.
no offence.
i was wearing jeans yo
@DavidFreitag I live near Montreal, there's no 95 on the highway from about 3 PM to 7-8 PM.
@Ohnana I don't wear pants.
@AviD that's ok, I'm not one :) I just do delivery ..
18:31
@DavidFreitag it would have been blistering in my kilt too!
@Simon There is a massive construction project going on near me. They are repairing all of the overpasses on a major stretch of highway.
@RоryMcCune have you registered rory.trust yet?
@Rhino no but he owns all of .rory tld
@Ohnana I wear gym shorts and t-shirts. It takes >35° to get me
@Rhino trust.rory
@AviD so they can be like java and call themselves mccune.rory and alsop.rory?
18:32
@Rhino not yet... I should see if they'll give me a discount
ha
@DavidFreitag They're doing that every summer here.
@Rhino BRB buying lottery ticket so I can afford a TLD
@Simon The roads in this area are largely in complete disrepair. This last winter was very harsh with all of the warm/cold cycles there was a ton of frost heaving going on.
@RоryMcCune perhaps we should see if we can actually set it up
18:35
@Rhino heh did you see the fees... TLDs cost $180k!
@RоryMcCune For some reason the first time I read that I did not read the word "fees" correctly.
@RоryMcCune extra cost for the rory
@RоryMcCune if it doesn't exist already how can they sell it
@DavidFreitag My roads are stronger than yours.
I'm waiting for the <3 tld
18:36
@Ohnana dunno but the person at ICANN who came up with the idea of turning single words into $180K each better have got one hell of a bonus!
@RоryMcCune It's got to be doable.
@Simon Possibly. I can't even imagine how the guy who I see driving an MP4-12C around town manages it.
His spine must be made out of titanium.
hahaha @RоryMcCune @Rhino I see I missed a good avid-bashing. hipstering me all over the place.
@AviD What can I say? Rory was on fine form. I just encouraged him a bit...
though btw srcclr (sooo dumb without hte vowels) does have the .io
18:38
@DavidFreitag I was joking, our roads are pretty damn bad too.
@AviD extra hipster points \o/
@AviD boom, all the proof we needed. [email protected]
srccir? did you have a stroke?
@Ohnana almost
@Ohnana They couldn't afford vowels cause they spent it all on macs.
who is that?
Is seriously hope my SSD gets here before I have to leave.
turns out there isn't a .hipster tld. @RоryMcCune we have work to do!
@Rhino yeah we'll need some stage one VC money, that should be easy to get with an idea like .hipster though!. Quick @AviD hook us up with some of your California Angel investor types!
@Simon nah, I would have kept that around for humor. Could always use a good laugh.
18:42
lsp
also, "magic faerie dust" would have been a great answer. or anything with unicorn jizz.
@RоryMcCune heh
@AviD Just because that's your favorite snack doesn't make it great in an answer.
TO BE CLEAR - I was referring to the mos eisley style of music
Yes @Avid @RоryMcCune and I need Peter Thiel or pg's phone number please. Or whatever the latest social platform is for connecting to them.
I realize phones are a bit 1999.
I wasn't even born in 1999.
18:44
@Rhino try 1800s. Email is so 1999.
@AviD yes but the phone reached perfection around '99. The Nokia 3310 could survive anything, including nuclear war.
@Rhino That's not entirely true. My Nokia 3310 did not survive an accidental encounter with ignited thermite.
You and your thermite.
@AviD Anyway whatever we need some dosh for .hipster
@Simon What can I say, molten iron is fun.
18:46
@DavidFreitag What about molten humans?
@Simon I feel like that would start to smell pretty bad.
@Rhino the problem with that is, all the true hipsters will be like "oh I used to use .hipster, before it was cool. now I've gone on to something else you've never heard of."
@DavidFreitag Well obviously, not much would survive a direct hit. But in the event of WW3, two species will survive: cockroaches, and nokia 3310s. There'll still be one out there somewhere looking for GSM signal.
@Rhino IN A WORLD CONSISTING ONLY OF NOKIA 3310'S
@DavidFreitag AND WOLVERINE
because, obviously
18:48
@DavidFreitag Or cockroaches using nokia 3310s.
After all they have to text somehow
Do you guys feel like anything's possible when you're initializing a dictionary of objects?
Because I do.
@Simon @Simon finally gets to create his own dictionary. Now the rest of his conversations here make sense.
simon simon simon simon simon
@Simon is that like "fish fish fish fish fish fish"?
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
18:55
or "buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo "?
"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is a grammatical sentence in American English, used as an example of how homonyms and homophones can be used to create complicated linguistic constructs. It has been discussed in literature, in various forms, since 1967 when it appeared in Dmitri Borgmann's Beyond Language: Adventures in Word and Thought. The sentence uses three distinct meanings of the word buffalo: the city of Buffalo, New York; the somewhat uncommon verb to buffalo, meaning "to bully or intimidate"; and the American buffalo (a species of bison). Paraphrased, the...
That dude was definitely high on something.
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Q: "Fish fish fish fish fish fish fish": valid sentence?

picakhuI have seen that buffalo buffalo... has been posted here before. However some sites claim also that the sentence Fish fish fish fish fish fish fish. makes sense. Can someone confirm and explain?

@AviD Did you ever raid the PHP chat?
@Simon nuh uh
:D
Don't you wanna be known as the guy who started raiding in SE chats?
We could write flooding bots, just like back in the days on battle.net.
18:59
Don't you wanna be known as the guy who goes around stealing candy from babies?
actually you probably already are...
@Simon Wat?
I stay very far away from babies.
@DavidFreitag On Starcraft, there were clans of people who didn't actually play the game at all, they would just collect names and war other clans.
@Simon Wat?
Yep.
What you just said made literally no sense.
19:03
@DavidFreitag this surprises you?
all pls
@AviD @Simon is very rarely completely nonsensical.
It's much funner when you pretend that I don't ever make sense in @AviD's head.
get out of my head, @Simon.
I'm not done yet.
19:14
you better not leave a mess like last time.
@DavidFreitag brilliant. my boss told me to write a script to notify them that their emais were queued, and to add 500 imaginary emails at the start of the queue to put them off from spamming
s/them/spammy students/ #nocontext
@Rhino i take it as a personal challenge to take my exams with very superficial to no preparation, to see how much I actually understood from the lecture
@SteveDL You are a good person.
oh i dont think so :-)
wat
hey @RoryAlsop you NEED one of these
19:23
@SteveDL :D
Woo my SSD has arrived. Thank you Amazon.
@RоryMcCune oh yes! I want that on stage
@RoryAlsop Making one of those is fairly easy, just drill holes in a PVC pipe at regular intervals and fill the pipe with propane and play music into it.
19:42
@DavidFreitag yeah, doing that on stage in a crowded bar, doesnt sound dangerous at all
Apparently I do need some safety features
@RoryAlsop like, wear trousers instead of a kilt?
oh lordy. @RоryMcCune someone just sent me a long list of horrible puns. I immediately thought of you.
> How does Moses make his tea ? Hebrews it....
Venison for dinner again ? Oh deer !
A cartoonist was found dead in his home. Details are sketchy.
I used to be a banker, but then I lost interest.
Haunted French pancakes give me the crepes.
England has no kidney bank, but it does have a Liverpool .
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more?
@SteveDL Oh I prepare... but by making notes and studying well before the exam, not just before it. I can't absorb ideas in 48 hours successfully
@Rhino i can tell you that my students cant either :D
@SteveDL My implication was I don't believe anyone can...
19:50
@AviD yolo
@Rhino well it really depends on the content for the test, doesnt it?
of course.
@SteveDL besides I do my degree while working full time, so, 48 hour cramming wouldn't work.
some things you need to understand, some you need to absorb, and sometimes you just need a big pile of random facts in short term memory.
thats why I dislike any generic study tips.
well, we do have a few geniuses. It's funny when you realise some of the students are better than you at what you teach, fortunately it remains rare
Ouch, yes. Full time employment is a big handicap
19:52
I find that I rarely need to study.
@SteveDL you don't have to be smarter than your students: you need to be on a different path than your students and push in ways they do not know how to push themselves.
@AviD I'm doing a maths degree, so you need to have a solid mental model of what's going on, a general strategy for how to tackle certain problems and a bit of luck seeing the right tricks on the day
So far the only class I have really had to study was differential equations, but only because I had to remember my integral/differentiation rules.
@Rhino still depends which specific class, no?
@AviD Yep, some topics are generally easier than others.
Also factor in exam markers from hell
19:54
some classes are weighted more to deep understanding, some for quick practice, and some a long list of laws and proofs.
@AviD the worst is being asked to give proofs in the exam for maths. Although I like this, my experience suggests examiners are incredibly picky
and it doesn't help that my university sets exams such that finishing is nearly impossible
@Rhino I dont like it at all. it is always either a question of rote memorization, or trying to prove it anew (which is not a great idea in time-limited exam, unless it is trivial).
@AviD I like it but I don't love it. I love proof, but it's a slow game where you are precise - like you say in an exam situation you're down to rote memorization or nothing.
with a possible small variation in the algebra
@AviD In most cases I would say proofs on a quiz/exam are trivial if you know your stuff. Otherwise it would not seem very trivial.
At least, that has been my experience thus far.
@DavidFreitag well I remember having to spew out big non-trivial proofs, where we were basically expected to know it by heart.
20:01
@AviD I've done the same; I've also done "repeat-a-proof" where the proof was, I assume, supposed to be a you've-seen-this-before-on-the-course-we-just-changed-the-numbers.
which to me is stupid and very un-mathy.
@AviD So far we have been asked to explain big non-trivial proofs, not actually go through the proof itself. This way we show that we have an understanding of how the proof works rather than just being able to memorize the proof step by step.
it should be about understanding, and applying. repeating a proof by list of steps is neither.
@DavidFreitag ah that would be better, though I'm not sure how that would work.
essay questions on a math exam?
maths... that trauma...
@AviD Example: "Explain what a minimum element is an why every subset of the natural numbers has a minimum element."
That leads to explaining the well-ordering principle and how mathematical induction is used in conjunction with the well-ordering principle to show that the set of natural numbers has a minimum element, etc.
20:06
principLE :p
Hehe, it's listed in my notes as WOP
(sorry. that's a scar left on me by grading numerous essays about principles' assets and Schroeder and Saltzer's security principals)
@DavidFreitag it's like you're speaking Greek.
@SteveDL Hahaha, no worries. There are a few mistakes I make like that. The usual suspect is "accept" in place of "except"
@AviD Elementary mathematics, man.
@DavidFreitag I hate "insure" instead of "ensure".
Every.Single.Report.
20:11
Heh, what's worse is when you sent an email to an outside engineering firm with a grammatical error and they hit "reply all" to correct you. It's a lovely experience when I know my boss, the president, CEO, and the president's wife all get that message.
well, then, dont make grammatical errors.
Or you can respond with snark.
@AviD Unfortunately this company isn't as laid back as that. Nobody would find it funny.
@DavidFreitag you would.
we would too, especisally after you get fired.
I'm kidding, losing ones job is not funny.
I wouldn't get fired for snark. I'm sure nobody would even care.
It would take nothing short of punching someone in the face to lose my job.
then do it!
@DavidFreitag oo do that!
20:17
ahahah, that's rough @Avid
For example, shortly before I was hired here someone was polishing live ammunition with one of the benchtop grinders here. The company's response to that was, "Please don't do that."
Is that a dangerous thing to do?
We don't have the whole gun knowledge in Europe... :p
@SteveDL If you consider a bullet being accidently fired within the building dangerous, then yes.
Sounds totally fun.
I think the correct response to something like that is more along the lines of, "ARE YOU INSANE? GET OUT AND DON'T COME BACK"
20:19
@DavidFreitag not sure I do
@AviD Apparently neither did they. They were even courteous enough to wait until he was finished polishing them to ask him to stop.
@DavidFreitag maybe they were hoping it would go off and save them the unpleasantness
just give him the Darwin Award
@AviD Because the unpleasantness of brain matter spattered everywhere is less unpleasant than a simple conversation with a crazy person.
@DavidFreitag yes exactly.
@DavidFreitag I think my exam paper last year asked me to prove 0 isn't equal to 1 in first order logic using the axioms of Q (essentially peano arithmetic)
amongst other things
20:25
@Rhino Yeah I've only gotten started with proofs, that's still gibberish to me :P
@Rhino you misspelt "pedant".
@AviD No, it says right there "AviD"
@DavidFreitag right in the middle of "David"
memcpy(&AviD, &Pedant, len(Pedant)); Segfault overlapping memory.
@AviD Was that a clever euphemism?
20:28
heh
not sure where that came from, though. I am far from the most pedantic here.
I am neither a pedant nor a hipster.
"pedant" always sounds like "pedo".
@AviD Sounds pretty pedantic to me.
Anyway @DavidFreitag it turns out proof opens up quite a lot of questions. We typically do proof using informalish arguments like "well imagine induction doesn't hold on the whole set and there's a set that does not contain all the elements... now realize that set has a least element, consider the element before it and find that you've got two competing arguments"
Yes that works... but it's not formal in the sense it's just a jumble of words. First order logic starts out with a set of hard and concrete axioms and a set of rules, like conditions where you can remove the universal identifier, or add it and how this affects the assumptions
(second order logic moves up in the world and handles sets)
@Rhino Right, that's kinda what I meant. Instead of a very formal mathematical proof it's more of a logical progression of thoughts.
@Rhino then prove that the meaning of the words you used is universally agreed across humans. Harold Garfinkel's ethnomethodology book might come in handy
Mwahahaha.
@Rhino it was those fake hypotheticals that made me dislike math classes.
20:32
leaves
(and if you keep going you go past turtles and type theory and end up at haskell)
"let's create a bunch of arbitrary rules, and see how far we can take them!"
@AviD yet thats exactly how all forms of knowledge are built
resting on prior assumptions
@AviD actually this is the whole point of doing it. It turns out you can't disprove certain statements called provability predicates within a finite set of axioms
building coherent sets of rules is the first step towards theory, and falsifying theory is either finding internal inconsistency, fault within the assumptions, or different sets of rules that explain more stuff more easily
20:34
@Rhino right. but that doesnt stop them from hypothesizing if those predicates were disproved.
I've been working on this one for a while now: "Any number whose digits add to a number divisible by 3 is itself divisible by 3"
@SteveDL thats not what I mean. I mean "yes these rules are of course false, but lets pretend they're real - now lets make up more rules based on those"
like science fiction, but with math.
are you after a hint @DavidFreitag
@Rhino Nope
@AviD it's not the rules that are made up. We believe they work - and we believe they're consistent (that is, every theory we can express with the rules is either true or false)
we just can't prove it
20:36
I'm pretty sure it's been proven up to some number, but I don't know if it has been universally proven yet.
but are they always false? sometimes some systems work according to different rules, e.g. quantum physics. or you could image areas where you do research on fluids dynamics by looking at some hypothetical water with "wrong" properties only to discover you're on your way to creating a fluid that cannot mix with other fluids of other types, or has a viscosity that allows it to displace itself, or whatever crazy **** the fluid dynamics mad scientists are up to these days
i really need to come up with examples here.
@AviD You've just described risk mitigation. “Yes of course the adversary can't get into the building, but let's pretend he did, what can he steal?”
@SteveDL liquid helium.
@Gilles heh, true.
but to me it always seemed like the opposite - "Yes of course the adversary CAN get into the building, but let's pretend he can't - what would that mean?"
Hahahaha
> You should probably avoid splash fights.
:D
alright, going home. good night everyone
20:43
@AviD of course :)
@RоryMcCune oh geez, the mods are gonna kick me
> I tried to catch some fog, but I mist.
They told me I had type-A blood, but it was a Type-O.
I changed my iPod's name to Titanic. It's syncing now.
Jokes about German sausages are the wurst.
I know a guy who's addicted to brake fluid, but he says he can stop any time.
I stayed up all night to see where the sun went, and then it dawned on me.
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awful, right?
@DavidFreitag if you label the digits e.g. a_2a_1a_0 for a number, then that number is (10)^2a_2 + 10a_1 + a_0. Take that modulo 3 - then (10)^2a_2 + 10a_1 + a_0 equiv a_2 + a_1 + a_0 mod 3. So if the rhs of that is equiv 0 mod 3, so is the lhs, therefore so is the number. Now just introduce sums with n arbitrary digits - or use mathematical induction.
> This girl said she recognized me from the vegetarian club, but I'd never met herbivore.
When chemists die, apparently they barium.
I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can't put it down.
I did a theatrical performance about puns. It was a play on words.
Did you hear about the cross-eyed teacher who lost her job because she couldn't control her pupils ?
When you get a bladder infection you know urine trouble.
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> What do you call a dinosaur with an extensive vocabulary ? A thesaurus.
I dropped out of the Communism class because of lousy Marx.
All the toilets in New York 's police stations have been stolen. As of now, it appears the police have nothing to go on.
I got a job at a bakery because I kneaded dough.
Velcro - what a rip off
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I am truly sorry.
to everyone else, I apologize.
@AviD don't be sounds like you got a mail from a very punny guy :)
@RоryMcCune nah, my mother likes forwarding all the junk emails she gets.
inb4 I kick @Simon
20:47
@AviD I'm glad it's not just me that suffers from this.
@Rhino misery loves company?
@AviD I have a folder labelled "family member remember to check this and reply occasionally"
where all their emails go automagically
hehe
which is ok until they forget their email password, then make a new account
breaks my filter
I have a separate email address for that, for the most part
20:49
I've moved on to matching for fwd: re: fwd: fwd:
hahaha
@AviD yes I wonder if I should just give them [email protected], see if they get the hint
@AviD - you are officially a bad person
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@RоryMcCune I tolja. now the real mod is gonna kick me.
@RoryAlsop s/bad/awesome/
@RoryAlsop BTW how do you make Heather Mills Angry....? Nick Clegg :)
21:03
@RоryMcCune .... I don't quite get it. Mostly because I'm not sure who she is
is she the one legged one or the blind one
nvm - just googled
now funny
:-)
google FTW :)
My mother in law is visiting - she wants to watch the election programme all night
She's a bit baffled by my hatred of politics and politicians
So I may be drinking and being online instead :-)
@RoryAlsop yay for Alcohol and Internet
BTW @AviD have you seen the Twitter hashtag #1pun?
has gems like "Just met an Asparagus Producer, at the Races, and asked for some tips."
lol - I'm thinking the "watching" the election results is not what she wants: she wants to be around people who will listen to her react to the election results all night
@RоryMcCune youtube.com/watch?v=-nZ_EZTmFxM oh oo that thumbnail is nsfw
21:06
@AviD I was going to say touch on the NSFW side that one ... tut tut naughty tigger :op
here have another pun
Charles Dickens placed high demamds upon his fireplace accessories, he certainly had grate expectations
I’d like this Hugh Laurie autobiography please. - Certainly sir. And would you like Fry’s with that?
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21:37
@RоryMcCune - yeah thanks for that hashtag...
Claire thanks you as well
22:08
@RоryMcCune Oh. Dear.
@RоryMcCune are you getting all of these from punny on reddit?
I don't see the point of watching the election when I could just wake up in the morning and find out what happened.
It's not like watching people empty boxes of votes is exciting
Or actually that I believe any of the political parties are all that exciting. This is probably the most boring election I've been eligible to vote in.
22:24
I will not watch any of it, and I'll still be annoyed in the morning as I won't be able to avoid hearing/reading about it
@RoryAlsop the tories/labour won it but not a majority and formed a coalition with some combination of ukip/snp/lib dems. There you go that's what will happen.
22:42
stoppit you ;-P
@RoryAlsop There is a potentially terrible outcome, y'know. We end up with a parliament so hung nobody can form a government, the queen's speech doesn't pass the vote and we have to do the whole election thing again.
@Rhino most politicians aren't really well hung, they just like to pretend they are.
inferiority complex, and all that.
perhaps I should have said balanced parliament
hung was inviting trouble, really
most of them are unbalanced.
@AviD balanced in the party political side of things, not necessarily balanced as in holding rational, normal views.
22:51
@Rhino I can't imagine most politicians having a fun party.
@AviD no but then people say the same thing of IT nerds right. And we can seriously party. Like this one time I had a LAN party and it was a blast!
heh, lan parties ARE fun
plus you get to blast everyone
@AviD in fairness though, I agree with you. Most politicians I'm like... needs more humour.
reminds me of that classic Guam line from the end of Good Morning Vietnam
23:31
@AviD Too easy, it wouldn't be satisfying.
@Simon TWSS ?
idk
23:52
@AviD @Simon obviously wouldn't know what she said since his donut/right hand can't talk.
@TerryChia pls she's to the left of me right now.
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