The DMZ - 2011-09-29

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12:49 AM

Okay, WTH Firefox/Thunderbird? Why can't you automatically check for plugin updates before running the application update, so I know whether or not there's a compatible version of my plugin?

And... why does "check for updates" in Firefox not show 7.0 available yet?

2 hours later…

2:56 AM

@RoryAlsop @AviD @GrahamLee - Could one of y'all have a look at this guy? Seems like he's posted nothing but spam here. He only joined today, and posted three answers that do nothing to address their questions but do include (in some cases, several) links that (though I've not followed them) seem to be simple self-advertisements. I've edited the questions to remove the links, but I think the account needs to be shut down.

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passwords encryption attack-prevention windows hardening physical hash

Norton SafeWeb says the website does not appear to host any threats. Web of Trust does not have a rating, but there's a few comments. One of them even says "Spams SuperUser.com". mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.windowsloginrecovery.com

3:12 AM

@JeffFerland Those were, without question, my favo(u)?rite SNL skits.

I spamflagged the shit out of that guy.

He's gonna be finding those flags through next week.

@ScottPack Sounds like there's more than three answers, now?

Just the three that I can see.

Oh, thank goodness, no.

I wonder who's the third down-vote on that one question?

Do spam flags count as a downvote?

/me doesn't see much purpose in downvoting a 1 rep user

@ScottPack In cases such as these, one hopes that the offending posts get removed and therefore the small amount of lost rep is restored.

And those are in fact, down-vote worthy posts.

Even if they weren't blatant self-promotions.

3:29 AM

They are. And they were already downvoted enough to demonstrate their value :)

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Journeyman Geek

7:43 AM

@Iszi: feeds.gawker.com/~r/lifehacker/vip/~3/pdRKfPtN1tM/…

2 hours later…

9:54 AM

@JeffFerland @ThomasPornin @RoryAlsop any further comments/suggestions on QotW 11's blog post?

10:07 AM

@Iszi I've deleted the spammy posts. I'll message if they don't get the hint.

@ScottPack downvoting isn't (just) about rep. It's about sending a message to readers of the discussion that this answer isn't worth much.

@GrahamLee @ScottPack plus, if they have a series of < 0 voted answers, they'll be automatically blocked from answering, and < 0 voted questions -> blocked from asking. I don't know if anyone's triggered it here, but it's pretty effective on SO.

Of course, deleting does remove that "feature" by making it impossible for most users to see the low-quality content. But in the case of spam, I think this is about the law of broken windows.

So crappy answers -> down vote and leave for people to see that they're crappy. Off-topic/spam answers -> flag and get deleted. Ambiguous cases -> do both.

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1 hour later…

11:30 AM

@GrahamLee My point exactly. At that point in time his highest voted answer was sitting at -1.

@GrahamLee That's pretty much my feeling as well. Bad answers are still good examples for users to see.

11:48 AM

@GrahamLee @Iszi - that is the same one @Avid and I have had issues with on previous days. Same email domain.

(afternoon all)

@Ninefingers I like the "no proof that hash functions exist" statement:-) Does that mean "no confirmation that they work as expected all the time"?

@Ninefingers - made a couple of minor tweaks only to make it easier for me to read as a layman; and replaced 'hardness' with 'difficulty'

hopefully haven't changed the meaning at all

12:27 PM

G'morning

afternoon @Scott

How do?

@RoryAlsop I think that was @Thomas again, but essentially

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Q: What is the general justification for the hardness of finding preimages for cryptographic hash functions?

Since most cryptographic hash functions are simple, compact constructions does this simplicity impose a limit on the complexity and the size of a function that can generate preimages? That is, given a cryptographic hash function, H of some length and complexity can we lower or upper bound the com...

hash cryptanalysis

In English, "what says finding out what the unique ordering of inputs (i.e. the input) is from a given hash is difficult" and the answer is "ummmm, we'll get back to you in 10 years when we haven't managed it"

Image (mathematics)

In mathematics, an image is the subset of a function's codomain which is the output of the function on a subset of its domain. Precisely, evaluating the function at each element of a subset X of the domain produces a set called the image of X under or through the function. The inverse image or preimage of a particular subset S of the codomain of a function is the set of all elements of the domain that map to the members of S. Image and inverse image may also be defined for general binary relations, not just functions. Definition The word "image" is used in three related ways. In these ...

You have just made me think of a question I shall ask after work though.

12:51 PM

@Ninefingers :-)

@Iszi - sounds like a good 'un:

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Q: Split the education tag?

I think we have a tag being used for two separate types of questions, and so should probably split it. The education tag is used for questions applying to both the education of end-users and non-IT-Security folks, as well as career-related education for IT Security professionals. So, I suggest ...

discussion retagging

I concur.

I haven't looked through the questions to see how the numbers break down. My only concern is that they would skew one way or another (gonna find you, gonna gitcha) to the point that one of the tags is all but useless.

1:03 PM

@RoryAlsop @ScottPack we did the same thing on crypto with "random", because it's either randomness (a property) or random number generation.

Migration to you?

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Q: Does SSL/TLS (https) hide the urls being accessed

Suppose I type this in my browser https://www.mysite.com/getsecret?username=alice&password=mysecret and an attacker is watching all traffic from me to my ISP. What information is protected by https? Is the url revealed? Are the parameters of the get request revealed? Also, does https pr...

ssl https confidentiality integrity

1:15 PM

@Ninefingers Oh yes, get that over here.

@Ninefingers yup

@ScottPack had a quick flick through the first two pages - looks fairly even. Think we have slightly more on career education

@RoryAlsop Makes sense. I would have expected it to lean that way.

1:40 PM

@RoryAlsop A cryptographic hash function is such that it is computationally infeasible to find to distinct inputs which hash to the same output (and some other properties). Yet the function should be computable easily by anybody on any input (there is no involved secret data). There is currently no mathematical proof that such a thing is possible.

Right now we have candidates: functions which we can compute easily, and for which we have thought of no practical way to make a collision.

That we do not know how to make a collision does not imply that it's impossible.

@ThomasPornin that is what I thought - but just wanted to check

In which case, from a non-crypto guy, the post makes sense and I'm happy to get it scheduled. What do you guys think, being way more knowledgeable in the technical aspects of it?

And today begins the Update Hell.

@ThomasPornin which updates?

Yesterday I smashed a PC, and began with a new Windows 7 install (from a 2009 CD)

Today I run Windows Update.

Strangely enough, the disk was thrashing constantly while the first run of updates was downloaded, and it is much more quiet now that the updates are being installed.

The Ways of Windows are Mysterious.

ahhhhh - I'm building a new PC after the weekend. My first with an SSD boot disk - looking forwards to seeing the difference

1:45 PM

10 days ago I switched my main computer -- it is now a Mac Mini with a SSD.

The SSD is pure concentrated happiness.

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It's a nicely specced gaming machine, or it will be when built - which coincidentally happens to be a good spec for coding and running VMs as well:-)

Did you download SP1 and install that first, or just let Windows Update have fun?

@ScottPack I let it run. I expect about 3 reboots until it reaches the point when it suggests installing SP1.

oh - as I will only be on a mobile device until Tuesday night, thought I'd pop this up for discussion:

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Q: Vote for your QOTW #12

For QOTW #12, scheduled for publishing to the Security Stack Exchange Blog on 7 Oct, please post your topics as Answers, and vote for your favorite question from the whole Security Stackexchange site. Please post any question that you feel is worthy and your reasons. Try not to promote your own ...

discussion featured qotw

@Ninefingers - QOTW#11 post is scheduled. Still editable, but is now in the queueueueue

and nearly 12% electorate turnout! not bad at all!

6 hours to go

@Ninefingers: I just read the draft, it looks fine to me.

2:01 PM

@RoryAlsop Tag edits I can't do: alias education and career-education to professional-education.

2:16 PM

@GrahamLee See above line

2:49 PM

@Ninefingers This is another duplicate, that should have been closed, not migrated. What can we do to catch these earlier? Is there a dup-detection capability out there? I forgot to look in the "related" urls before I cited the dup....

3:17 PM

E.g. is there a simple, quick tool that can be used pre-migration to do the kind of comparison that is used to produce the "related" section?

1 hour later…

4:40 PM

I received a pouch in the post that had an oddly stodgy looking lady where a stamp should be.

5:07 PM

Here's a question: Why is the "Q" in Barbeque spelled "que" but the actual word has an extra "ue"?

@JourneymanGeek Thanks. I think that answers that question.

@nealmcb I thought it was - that said, for crypto, it's not a duplicate, just offtopic. I have a feeling not migrating it would be poorly received our end, but maybe I should simply have closed it outright.

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Q: Can I install BackTrack5 Near Ubuntu 11.04 In One External Hard(seagate)

Is this possible to install BackTrack5 Near Ubuntu 11.04 In One External Hard(seagate)? If it is how can I do it ? Thanks in advance

operating-systems

^Looks like it belongs on SU^

@Ninefingers Yeah - I think it should have been closed on crypto as offtopic, with a comment linking to the existing answer here. Not sure why you'd expect a poor reception for not migrating it.

@nealmcb people don't like having their questions closed unilaterally by mods, generally. Mostly here and crypto they're ok with it, but elsewhere it's not always taken well. Another side of me thinks having the trail - migrated and closed, guides others a) to the right place in the network for the question and b) the actual question

@Iszi Because the original spelling is "barbecue"; the "barbeque" variant is a conflation of "barbecue" and the US abbreviation "BBQ".

5:18 PM

@RoryAlsop Where is electorate turnout information avaliable?

@ThomasPornin I thought that looked a little wrong... but then again, I was at a Sonny's. And, you'd think they would get it right.

@nealmcb Mods

@Ninefingers Interesting - I hadn't considered just making it a dual operation. But I figure it just contributes to noise in the questions when it is migrated and immediately closed, and it's more work. Though I guess having it here adds a different way of asking the question, good for search engine visibility. @RoryAlsop, any thoughts?

After the election closes it becomes publicly available.

And I install the ".NET 4.0 Profile for 64-bit" update, and this triggers four new important security updates -- why oh why did it send me the broken .NET in the first place, if it already had the repaired one ?

5:26 PM

@ThomasPornin Because of that whole "incremental" upgrade thing?

@ScottPack As in: it is not the goal, but the journey which matters ?

Windows is meant to teach philosophy ?

It surely teaches me stoicism right now...

@ScottPack excellent - were there a bunch of CD's with weird noises and orange colours inside?

@nealmcb it's on the main election page, but it looks like it is only for mods

at risk of giving away confidential info:

447 voters were eligible, 184 visited the site during the election, 86 visited the election page, and 54 voted

that's all the info mods get

@RoryAlsop Odd. Thanks for the info!

@ScottPack so two hours to go then:-)

/me hopes to become a mod so he can properly audit the election. Hmmm - that's a bit circular....

5:32 PM

:-)

@ThomasPornin how very...zen

Zen and the art of Windows Upgrade patience

@nealmcb I think that's right - the migration moves a potential audience here, and is good for google. Short term impact - a little more noise, longer term - probably good. Don't have enough stats to really know though

@ThomasPornin So windows' goal is to teach the philosophy that avoidable frustration on the journey is "the way"? I guess so, given the constant reboots....

@nealmcb I think the windows reboot thing is a subtle computer metaphor for "if at first you don't succeed, try and try again".

@nealmcb Reboots are probably meant to evoke reincarnation.

@ThomasPornin Very philosophical. I'll have to let that stew. I might come away with a new appreciation for the Windows Update process.

@RoryAlsop It was! And lots of little plastic bits. Apparently, there was some jewel damage in transit.

All the important stuff survived intact, though.

I suspect that I'll be making some judicious use of grip tomorrow :)

5:48 PM

Ah, "no available update". I have reached the Singularity. Now I can proceed with installing Office, which will unlock new updates...

@ThomasPornin Think of them as achievements!

1 hour later…

6:56 PM

@ScottPack Dammit - I spoke to the post office guy to ask whether a thicker padded envelope would be a safer bet, but he reassured me it would be fine

sorry about that

@RoryAlsop It's no problem. The hinges and latches came through intact.

Some of the inner-rings tabs broke off, but that's about it.

both CD's okay though - that's good. Alkomatic was our first EP. Burn is the first album

Hey - in final hour of election....:-)

58 minutes to go

Wow, this is like an episode of 24... "@Rory, the election takes place within the hour, we're running out of time!"

@Ninefingers Followed by a frantic montage as we drive through the disturbingly traffic free streets of LA

@ScottPack heh - still haven't seen any episodes of that. My brother has all the boxed sets and has promised to let me have them. I just need a week off:-)

7:09 PM

@RoryAlsop Yeah, the discs and pins came out no problem. Honestly, I'll probably rip the cds and put them on the shelf. Likely not to be seen for years :) I do so like having the physical copies though.

@RoryAlsop They're not bad. Very formulaic, though.

I ended up watching the first 4 seasons as a back-to-back-to-back thing.

Much like Alias, it worked much better that way.

:-)

@ScottPack Indeed. We've already got a missing member. "Have you been able to get hold of @AviD?!" No, his comms must be down, it's an EMP!

All we need is a couple of moles and a terrorist or seven.

Hahahah!

I've got a bucket, a few gallons of water, a car battery, and some jumper cables.

Sounds like it could either be A) @Holocryptic 's date night, or B) Information gathering

@RoryAlsop if you're going to watch it, I think - season 1 - good, because it's original, and not quite so OTT. Season 2 - awesome. Season 3 - awesome. Season 5 - actually pretty damn good. Season 4? Not so hot. 6,7,8? nothing you haven't already seen.

7:14 PM

@Ninefingers I'm going to call that a pretty fair assessment.

That one season that had Jack running around with a messenger back started out pretty cool, but it was mostly because of his character development and nothing else.

1,2,3,5 - got it. That's doable in a long weekend

@ScottPack in my opinion, they went in too hard and fast with "ultimate scaries". After season 2's big threat and season 3's big threat, you can't get any more terrorism scary.

Just read the wiki page. Season 5 is the one with the messenger bag.

@Ninefingers I agree.

...this one goes to 15....

@ScottPack season 5 is good because after several seasons of David Palmer, the new president's storyline is really good.

@Ninefingers That's true. I was getting tired of hearing about how my insurance rates could get cheaper.

7:24 PM

@ScottPack have you watched prison break too? (yes, I like box sets produced by fox...!)

I haven't

So, @Rory. I just heard this.

> Funny, people thought he couldn't play a Scottsman [*sic*] in Braveheart.
> But then look at him 15 years later.
> Angry, drunken racist.
> Ta da!

Care to respond?

7:45 PM

all I have is - hahahahahaha

Mel, oh dearMel

Anyone else find it mildly amusing that someone who calls themselves "Rootkit98" doesn't know how to set up a dual-boot system?

Well, that would put him at what, 13?

@ScottPack my thought was exactly that

@ScottPack Roughly 31, if '98 is his high school graduation year.

@Iszi Roughly.

7:49 PM

Ok guys - question: how can I summarise the difference between a crypto.se question and a crypto question on sec.se

Because those numbers are too big to count precisely.

I would have guessed '98 was his birth year.

@Ninefingers Our crypto questions are hotter.

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@Ninefingers @Thomas did a great job with that right about the time the private beta ended.

@ScottPack Common usages I've seen have been birth year, high school graduation, wedding year, and age at time of account creation.

@Ninefingers sec.se is implementation and practical usage in a security setting. crypto is the clever, how it works stuff

7:50 PM

So, the guy could be up to 98+ years old...

@ThomasPornin had a great explanation

@RoryAlsop Which basically came down to what you said.

We would get the practical application, crypto would get development and analysis.

@ScottPack No, because there's too many variables affecting the age at which one graduates high school.

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Q: how to decide between Cryptography.SE and Security.SE?

I asked advances in usability for cryptography/authentication and one of the commenters raises a good point: should this be in Security.SE? Is there a good rule of thumb between the two? e.g. if it has actual algorithms in mind, should it stay here?

And, once again, @Thomas saves the day.

7:55 PM

@ScottPack ... by quoting himself.

This is why I asked:

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A: Help us define our scope by writing the FAQ?

Here's my draft of a FAQ. I've written it with the "in my head" version of our policy; feel free to debate that elsewhere and I'll update this as and when. If you want to improve it, feel free to, if you want to have a go at drafting your own version, please do that too. Crypto - Stack Exchang...

I've put the word of @ThomasPornin directly into the FAQ draft!

> 447 voters were eligible, 185 visited the site during the election, 86 visited the election page, and 54 voted

12% voted?

And the winners are..... @RoryAlsop, @avid, @HendrikBrummermann

well, I guess avid was first....

41% visited?

But that is based on guessing what the end of the .blt file means.

8:03 PM

w00t

So if that is right - CONGRATS FOLKS!

.blt?

i was going to ask how you knew:)

@Mvy security.stackexchange.com/election/download-result/1

woowoo

Congrats, guys!

8:04 PM

There is a program to run this file in ?

no?

@Mvy it gives a link

@Mvy yep, it applies STV (single transferable vote) to the data; I'm about to crunch it.

to openstv

sudo apt-get install openstv

@nealmcb AviD was 1st choice for 21 voters, Rory for 18 other voters

8:07 PM

So the top three were the top three by rep, as of the end of the election, not the beginning of the election :/

@nealmcb There do not appear to be any stv clients in the Fedora repos.

@ScottPack you use fedora too? Man, did I ever tell you you're awesome?

@Ninefingers We're a RedHat shop. Only makes sense to use it as my desktop.

Hell, I even have it being managed by puppet!

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Overflow 2010 Moderator Election Results

Posted by Jeff Atwood on February 8th, 2010

The Stack Overflow 2010 Moderator Election results are in!

We decided to choose two moderators this time, just like last time. The winners are … drumroll please …

Congratulations to our newest community elected moderators, Gumbo and Jonathan Sampson

(update: Jason Cohen was originally the #2 winner, but withdrew from the race after some post-election reflection)

We used the OpenSTV software to calculate the results.

Per the OpenSTV FAQ, we used the most accurate form of STV to calculate these results: …

@ScottPack That's not an absolute requirement. When Microsoft bought Hotmail, all the servers were kept under FreeBSD.

8:09 PM

openstv needs a DIPSLAY?

You're kidding me!

@ThomasPornin What I mean to say, is that for our linux servers we use RedHat. I chose to use Fedora so that I could have a linux desktop that meshed well with our server environment and was still a functional desktop alternative.

@ScottPack ha. Our company standardise around debian. I refuse.

@Ninefingers My home company is full-Debian but this did not prevent me from using Ubuntu and FreeBSD.

and now I have MacOS X

Ok, so I ran the results through meek STV, bearing in mind I am not an SE employee I have no idea what options they pick OMG this is so much more complicated than I knew apparently it agrees with @nealmcb.

@ThomasPornin yeah. I actually don't mind debian; I ran Ubuntu as my first Linux desktop when I first moved from Windows (Fedora Core wasn't that hot originally) but now I wouldn't leave Fedora.

@Ninefingers Yup. What do I get for 4th place? :)

I guess I can expect a t-shirt, but only based on rep....

@Ninefingers Yeah - election math can be pretty mind-numbing....

8:15 PM

@Ninefingers I used RedHat... some times ago. Around 1996, I think.

It was OK

@nealmcb What's intriguing is different people win if I run it different ways. There are so many options beyond Meek STV that I can't guarantee my run is the same as the one SE use, hence the italics.

I've pasted the openstv results here. I haven't totally checked them out, but this seems plausible: dpaste.com/623657

Congratulations to all!

Yeah. @RebeccaChernoff hey! Now I can do ~~strikethrough~~ can you tell us which options you select for elections? I'm assuming you still use Meek STV as per SO but which options you do go with afterwards?

@nealmcb Is it bad that that page makes almost no sense to me at all

:-)

8:24 PM

@RoryAlsop it basically says you're elected with majority votes with @AviD

@RoryAlsop I'd attribute it to the complexity of the theory....

Boulder Colorado dropped STV in 1947 after a few decades for city council elections I think because people just didn't get it.

@RoryAlsop STV is like IRV (or AV) which the UK recently balloted for. After first choice votes are attributed, roughly speaking you require 100%/X seats of the vote to get elected. Anyone who is, extra votes on top are re-distributed according to 2nd and 3rd place prefs. There's usually a minimum cut off. In each iteration, the candidate with the lowest vote count is eliminated. So each row is each iteration.

ahhhh

If you don't have a 2nd or 3rd place pref, it's referred to as bullet voting and essentially becomes FPTP

But basically, bigger numbers are better, and the election proceeds by stages, eliminating candidates and re-allocating votes for them to other candidate

8:28 PM

@RoryAlsop In a nutshell, people love Rory and AviD, and then among all the other candidates Hendrik appears to be slightly more liked (or slightly less hated) than the five others.

@ThomasPornin oooh - that's not nice

> (or slightly less hated)

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@RoryAlsop actually, it's the idea of STV. If your first choice candidate didn't get enough votes and was eliminated, the idea is that your second and third choice votes are taken into consideration too. So it's not that the other candidates are not liked.

XD

@Ninefingers yeah - it makes sense:-)

8:33 PM

user image

The .blt format is described here:

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A: C#: Generating .BLT Files for OpenSTV Elections

The best explanation of the BLT file format is here: http://code.google.com/p/stv/wiki/BLTFileFormat 4 2 # four candidates are competing for two seats -2 # Bob has withdrawn (optional) 1 4 1 3 2 0 # first ballot 1 2 4 1 3 0 1 1 4 2 3 0 # The first numbe...

It is interesting to see how close the clustering is once you get past the old guys

My thoughts on the election method is that it is good to use STV, but people should be able to rank more than just 3 candidates. The "Exhausted" column documents that lots of people didn't get to express their preference between the eventual winners. It is interesting to note that everyone did rank 3 candidates.

San Francisco and Oakland had the same problem with IRV (which I don't support - Approval Voting is better for single-winner elections)

So what does the exhausted and surplus column mean?

...gotta run...

8:44 PM

Nice timing :)

Have a lovely evening, @nealmcb! Thanks for the analysis

Hendrik Brummermann

@nealmcb I think the zero in 2nd and the 3 zeors in 3rd means that those people did not use all their votes.

@nealmcb glad you ran anyway. In my opinion, I'd have been happy with any of the candidates. It was hard to vote!

congrats @HendrikBrummermann

Hendrik Brummermann

@RoryAlsop Thank you.

Let's wait for the official result. The third place is not that obvious

Wait, why are we discussing elections? Are mod elections finalized already?

Hendrik Brummermann

8:48 PM

@RoryAlsop Congratulations to you and @Avid

@Ninefingers agreed - all would have been fine in my book

@Iszi Welcome to an hour ago :)

@HendrikBrummermann looking at the chat over on teacher's your place is official too

@ScottPack Sorry, I've been (and, technically, still am) in meetings quite literally all day.

(You know about the Teacher's Lounge, right? :-)

Hendrik Brummermann

8:49 PM

Well, ...

@RoryAlsop I forget, is that a mods-only party or can anyone join?

mods only

same chat as here, only smuttier

@RoryAlsop Oh, so you mean The Comms Room?

Hahaha - very similar

boobs

8:50 PM

@ScottPack :-P

Wait... that's... not quite right. Or maybe it is. ;-)

Hendrik Brummermann

@RoryAlsop ah, that's why i did not find it anywhere in list

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/4

So, we're just short of official on @RoryAlsop, @AviD, and @HendrikBrummermann as our mods?

Yarr. not sure how long it takes new mods powers to kick in. Keep testing them @HendrikBrummermann:-)

Right guys, gonna run, have fun. Night all.

8:54 PM

night

I think you have to agree to the ToS first

must be gin'o'clock

Night sweetums!

Well, 'gratz all! Although, I'm not sure how well I'll be able to reliably call on @HendrikBrummermann if he's not in the chat's auto-fill. Kind of a complicated name to remember.

I just type @ then Hen :-)

8:55 PM

@RoryAlsop Katie paid off her student loans today. I'm debating whether we should crack open a bottle of Finger Lakes goodness, or bourbon highballs.

@ScottPack Oooh, that's gotta feel awesome. 'Gratz!

@Iszi It'll feel better when mine gets done.

@ScottPack Both sound good ways to celebrate that! You guys have it a lot worse than we have (historically) over here

back in my day the government paid our student loans (it changed halfway through my degree, so I only had 2 years of student loan)

Anyway... I gotta get back to my meeting. Y'all don't have too much fun without me.

@Iszi sabotage it:-)

I mean - enjoy

8:56 PM

Luckily we went to a cheap regional school. My 4 years worth of loans there was slightly more than 1 year's worth of school here.

@RoryAlsop Wish I could. Lots of end-of-month stuff in here, and I'm out of office tomorrow.

@HendrikBrummermann Yes, if you look at the ballots you will see that some people voted for only one or two candidates, not three.

@ThomasPornin oh - wonder why?

@RoryAlsop Maybe they do not know how to read and/or click.

Or maybe they consciously decided to vote so.

Or they only had an opinion on 1 or 2 of them.

9:02 PM

every candidate is a 'usual suspect' - as in, active, here pretty much every day, asks and answers questions, flags, votes, comments etc

@ThomasPornin That would explain why Avi and Rory were so far ahead.

@HendrikBrummermann Ahh - right - seems like SE just used a template to create those lines....

9:43 PM

Well, congratulations to the winners, expression of generic sympathy for the losers, good night to everybody.

night @ThomasPornin

10:02 PM

Hello from New Hampshire

.... Massachusetts now

10:18 PM

Rhode Island

Connecticut

In transit then @Jeff?

@RoryAlsop Yes.... on my way to Columbia, MD. It occurs to me that they didn't discuss how I'd get from the airport to my hotel. I don't think that hotel has a shuttle.

get a taxi, and charge it:-)

@RoryAlsop Rental car would have been cheaper until about 30 minutes ago. Now they're $100. Booking for tomorrow is $16. I really hate that whole "we're going to really charge you because you didn't reserve" thing

Now over Long Island. Woohoo.

This'll be one of these new fangled planes with wifi then?

10:29 PM

Yeah

have a good flight then - I'm off to my bed

night

ciao

11:21 PM

Do you get to see a fancy map of your current location, or are you just guessing?

hi

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Q: IT Security Stack Exchange moderator cards

We recently printed some business cards for our Stack Exchange employees and they turned out great. It got us thinking: our sites' moderators have been working hard to keep our sites high quality for the past few years. They may not be employees, per se, but great community moderators are why ou...

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then i realized 66% of the mods got their cards already..

i should rename the post to "Hey Graham do you want some mod cards?" :)

And by "Hey Graham" I think you mean "Hey Hendrik" :)

Oh, @Jin. At one time there was talk (or possibly I imagined talk) of user cards. Has that gone anywhere?

oh i totally forgot about the election

oh yes you're right. i see the mod changed. grats @Hendrik

@ScottPack there will definitely be generic site cards. but i need to get mod cards out of the way first

Makes sense.

And, for what it's worth, those make my business cards downright shameful.

oh and congrats to @AviD @rory too

@ScottPack I haven't seen the Security cards in person.. But Rory and AviD already received them, since I rush ordered them for the confs they are attending

from what they told me, the cards look great in person

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I'll bet. I really dig the texture on the back.

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