The DMZ

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

13:00

@Flyk Personally, I'd say so, yes.

Flyk

especially since both providers don't log

so, on another topic of conversation altogether

lastnight I had this dream, which is pretty unusual in itself because I remember it and that rarely happens unless said dream pulls me out of sleep

in which we all met up, which is unusual because I don't have those kinds of dreams

and was at @RoryAlsop's house, which is unusual because I'm pretty sure that house would have a "no simon" policy

and I don't know what his house looks like, so the internal arrangement was weird

during which, I was me and avoided talking about music at all

Rоry McCune

@Flyk did you talk about trucking?

Flyk

and then Simon provoked me into a demonstration so I arranged this quick dubstep arrangement and then sang B*Witched - C'est La Vie over it

which is unusual, because that crosses the threshold into nightmare and should have woken me up

AviD

@TildalWave @Simon heh. that episode even shows up on wikipeida:

Newlyweds: Nick and Jessica

Newlyweds: Nick and Jessica is a reality television show that was produced and aired by MTV and MuchMusic. It followed the marriage of then husband and wife Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson. The show first aired in August 2003 and ran three seasons, with 41 episodes in total. The last season started on January 26, 2005, and the last episode aired on March 30, 2005. Simpson and Lachey were married on October 26, 2002 and filed for divorce on December 16, 2005. On June 30, 2006 Jessica and Nick's divorce was finalized. Part of the show's gimmick involved displaying Simpson's naive personality, playing...

Flyk

so lastnight, I had an unusual dream

Simon

13:04

I spent an hour EQing yesterday to match a kick and a bassline then I understood every producer's struggle.

Flyk

@Simon chances are, you were EQ'ing too early in the arrangement

Simon

You are absolutely right.

Flyk

although I am a fan of merging the arrangement and mixing stage, newbies shouldn't do that

because you will just spend a week tweaking your kicks and bass and they will sound crap once you add anything else to the mix

AviD

@Flyk yeah, @Simon has been known to suffer from premature EQualation.

Flyk

@AviD 1/10

AviD

13:05

hmm.

Simon

However, I was EQing the intro, which should be super progressive.

Flyk

@Simon bit of advice

Simon

So, the EQing was fine for 8 beats, lulz.

Flyk

build a 6 minute arrangement with all your sounds on full with no fx

no eq, no nothing

Simon

No compressing, nothing?

Flyk

13:06

don't even put in your automation

Simon

ew

Flyk

just have 6 minutes of audio, work on the arrangement, it doesn't have to be perfect but you should have pretty much everything in it

and then find the section of the track where your bassline first comes in

usually 16 or 32 bars

Rory Alsop

@Flyk - odd dream...

Flyk

loop 16 bars or so of that and mute everything except your kick, your bass, and your closed hat

turn your kick up until you have about 30% headroom left

get your bass to peak the same as your kick

side chain the two together

Simon

Why 30%? The sidechaining will make it louder?

Flyk

13:08

compress and limit your bass so that it peaks in approximately the same place every time it hits

Rory Alsop

Totally impossible. There'd be no dubstep in my house

Flyk

@Simon no, once you add your riff back in, that will take you to about 20%

Simon

Oh.

Flyk

and you don't want to be hitting 0db in your daw export ever

Simon

Really? Good to know, especially early on.

Flyk

13:09

then stick some kick of graphical eq on your kick/bass bus out

what you're aiming for is that one of these "drives" the track and the other one plays along nicely

usually kick drives, bass follows in 4/4 dance

try and get it so if your kick's lowest point is 20hz, your bass is no lower than that

Simon

Yeah, I'm not aiming for a specific pattern though.

Nor style.

Flyk

for a really beefy bass you want lots going on at 60hz and plenty of harmonics above that

Simon

I'm just experimenting. A lot.

M'vy

Impressive.

raz

@Flyk I read beefy ass

Damn harmonics contribute to booty!?

Flyk

13:13

@Simon well, experimenting is the way to do it

I spent a year learning how everything in fruity loops worked before even finishing my first track

and then did the same again learning cubase

so I'm not looking forward to do it again for pro tools

Simon

Yeah, definitely gonna stick to this DAW.

Flyk

until you know what you're doing and how each individual element should sound on its own, though, don't EQ and mix while you're building a track

it's easy to make a track sound good on the specific set of speakers/headphones you're using

the trick is making it sound good on every set of speakers/headphones

Simon

Yeah I heard about that, you should test on different speakers etc.

Lower quality, higher quality and so on.

M'vy

makes sense

Flyk

"run of the mill" setups usually suck below 60hz

headphones especially

you can have an awesome subbass but most of the world will never hear it

Simon

13:16

lulz yeah

Flyk

yet if the subbass is missing, you'd hear it was missing

and if the subbass is ugly, you'll break people's very expensive setups when they play it

Simon

I also feel like depending on your mood, EQ can differ quite a lot.

Flyk

yes

don't mix a track in one day

(obviously defunct once you know what you're doing)

Simon

Yeah.

Flyk

version control your saves

(ie: don't just keep overwriting the same file)

Simon

13:17

I thought my EQing was off, then I took my headphones off, did some stuff, came back and it was actually ok.

It's like if my ears were donut'd.

Yeah I'll definitely set a version control once it'll be worth it.

Flyk

yeah, if you listen to a kick/bass loop for a few hours you'll convince yourself it's the best thing ever

Simon

lulz

You wake up on the next day: "This is shit".

Flyk

I used to have that thought on a daily basis

go to bed having listened to an export on 3-4 different systems going YES FUCK THIS IS AWESOME

listen to it straight after waking and be like... "what the actual fuck."

raz

@Flyk Is this how dubstep happened?

Flyk

@raz no, dubstep obviously grew out of garage and drum and bass

raz

13:21

@Flyk But it's the same thing over and over...

Flyk

@raz you know that all music is basically 3-5 different sections repeated multiple times over the course of the track, right?

Simon

You could say that about every single genre.

raz

@Flyk But most genre's at least try to make it interesting.

"No no wait for this part.... BOOM isnt' that awesome!" "No... nothing changed."

Simon

That's called taste and guess what? You have a different one than other people.

PS: I'm not a fan of Dubstep at all.

Terry Chia

@Flyk and @Simon agreeing. Next thing you know @lighty will be saying something smart.

raz

13:24

I give any song a chance. I just haven't found a dubstep song that's interesting to me.

Flyk

@raz well "interesting" is subjective

sure there are plenty of examples of tracks whose build infers some epicness that never happens

and that's not just dance music

Simon

@raz The most interesting Dubstep to me is made by Knife Party.

raz

@TerryChia spelled correctly*

@Simon Is that a song or group?

Simon

@raz Dudes.

Tinned_Tuna

@AviD success!

Simon

13:26

You probably heard their track Bonfire at least once somewhere.

raz

@Simon I should have said, song or artist?

Simon

@raz Artists :p

raz

Bonfire... not ringing a bell. But I'll try and find them.

Simon

►

raz

Yeah I still haven't bought that new pair of headphones yet.

Simon

13:27

boooo

raz

As soon as I get my tax return

Building a NAS, getting headphones.

Simon

Legit.

Terry Chia

@raz Which ones you getting?

Tinned_Tuna

@Flyk no and yes, respectively. Cooling the RAM down to steal the keys isn't really an attack on the implementation of the crypto system, so much as an attack on the infrastructure. Measuring the voltage of the CPU would be a typical side-channel attack. An example of such an attack could be payment cards (e.g. EMV), where the terminal which supplies the power during a transaction might actually be controlled by an adversary, and this knowledge could allow the adversary to infer the key.

Flyk

I ordered a pair of AKG k702's lastnight after I finally murdered my ATH m50's

Simon

13:30

@Flyk Poor M50s.

Terry Chia

@Flyk Oooh, those are nice ones.

Simon

I'm really happy with my pair of M50s.

raz

@TerryChia I think I've settled on the ATH-M50x's.

Tinned_Tuna

I suppose the main difference is the use of statistical inference. In a cold-boot attack (cooling the RAM and pulling it), there's no statistical inference -- you just read the key straight off. When measuring the voltage (a power analysis side-channel attack), you may have to take several measurements, or compare your measurements to a model of the system to make your inferences.

Simon

@raz I don't think you'll regret it.

AviD

13:31

@Simon you flatter yourself.

raz

I like my A700's

Ohnana

@TerryChia wat?

Flyk

@Simon I have a habit of sitting cross legged, and apparently using a leg to apply the pressure and then sitting is sufficient to break headphones

Simon

@Flyk Are they open cam?

Terry Chia

@Ohnana You pointed out the link on my resume.

Flyk

13:31

@Simon yeah

Terry Chia

@Simon Yes.

Simon

Oh lawd.

Flyk

better sound stage, slightly weaker bass than the M50s

Ohnana

@TerryChia oh right. There ya go

Flyk

but I found the bass to be a bit overhyped on the m50s anyway

Simon

13:32

@Flyk Really? I think the bass is perfect.

Terry Chia

@Flyk The 702's are very flat IIRC.

Simon

Beats are overly boosted.

Terry Chia

Which is perfect for studio work.

Flyk

@TerryChia no... monitors are perfect for studio work

headphones are passable if you really have to

I like building my arrangements in headphones though

Terry Chia

@Flyk Well, you are the expert. I just listen to music. :)

Simon

13:34

Definitely gonna get monitors eventually. I have no idea which ones I'm gonna get.

Terry Chia

Listening wise I really enjoy Grados though. They make awesome stuff.

raz

@Simon Are the m50's closed or open?

Simon

@raz Closed.

Terry Chia

@raz Closed.

Simon

I use them at work.

raz

13:35

Yeah that's what I need for work.

Terry Chia

Still <3 my customs. Perfect for travelling.

Journeyman Geek

closed

tiny bit bassy

raz

I generally like open for at home, but I now live next to a main emergency vehicle artery.

So I think I might want closed for at home too

Journeyman Geek

they're really well behaved headphones. Not too picky about sources either

Simon

Quite cheap too.

AviD

13:37

so's yo momma.

Flyk

@Simon adam-audio.com/de/pro-audio/products/a7x/description

Journeyman Geek

I used mine till they fell apart. Might have gotten them if I hadn't finally managed to get my FA003 Tis

Simon

ICH SPRECHE KEIN DEUTSCH

I'll check them out, thanks.

Ok, anything cheaper than 1k monitors?

Like in the 400 range?

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: I nearly got a pair of these

m-audio.com/products/view/studiophile-av-40

Wirecutter loves em, completely out of stock here

Simon

Do monitors tend to not go higher than 20k hz?

Journeyman Geek

13:39

No, they arn't designed for dogs

Simon

nvm, the A7X go to 50k lulz

Yeah I know, it always makes me laugh when they go that high.

Rоry McCune

@Simon dude you can get 27" QHD's for way less than that these days

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Looks like I could them for 200 on Amazon, definitely worth checking out.

Flyk

@Simon you laugh, but speakers that top out at 20khz usually color the sound in the highs

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: as I mentioned, I wanted em, but I can't get em locally

Terry Chia

13:41

@RоryMcCune Pffft.

Simon

@Flyk ô_ô

Flyk

whereas the a7x's are completely flat well past 20khz

also: skimping on monitors is literally the worst thing you can do

bad monitors are bad monitors

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia whaat it was like the closest I came to understanding any of the conversation from the last ~15 mins. In my world, monitors are something you look at

Terry Chia

@Flyk It's @Simon, I'm sure he does worse things on a daily basis.

Simon

I'm not gonna dump 1k on monitors immediately after I buy a house.

Journeyman Geek

13:42

@RoryAlsop: audio monitors ;p

Simon

500 would probably be a more realistic budget.

Flyk

@Simon why not, you're going to spend more than that for room treatment

Simon

I'm gonna spend more on taxes -.-

raz

@Simon What's 1k more among 100's of k

Simon

@raz True, true.

Journeyman Geek

13:44

(and heh, since my audio plans stalled, I'm looking at a better monitor/fpu

Flyk

@Simon might as well just get yourself some KRKs them, so you can replace them before you ever actually release anything and end up spending {price of KRKs} + {price of A7xs} instead of just the latter

@JourneymanGeek your audio plans?

Journeyman Geek

lol

new speakers that arn't available here, and there's not too many options in the same price or with the same interface options.

Terry Chia

@JourneymanGeek Dump a thousand into a pair of customs. :)

Journeyman Geek

has a pair of oldschool, cheap altec lansings built like a nokia 3110 tho

lol

Simon

@Flyk Any specific model I should be looking at?

Journeyman Geek

13:47

@TerryChia: I'm happy with my headphone audio setup mostly

there's one bit of kit I'd like but I can live without it.

my portable audio is a moto G and creative headphones and well... it works.

Flyk

@Simon I've already linked my recommendation, I'm not going to recommend anything I haven't used personally

Simon

Fair enough.

Flyk

get yourself some NS10s

lolololol

Simon

lololololol

goes to google

Flyk

make something sound good on those and you've got a winner

Simon

13:50

Are those as ancient as @RoryAlsop?

AviD

@Flyk or @Simon's mom.

Simon

pls

AviD

it's like, every time I glance at the room after several minutes, there is a line just waiting for me.

kinda like @Simon's mom was waiting for me last night.

bazinga.

Simon

If you constantly look for a line, you'll find one.

I'm not sure if that's healthy though.

Flyk

it's not, you need downtime in between sessions

coke is overrated anyway

Simon

13:55

wat

AviD

and sprite is underrated

Rоry McCune

@AviD like Irn-Bru

AviD

@RоryMcCune and @Simon's mom

Journeyman Geek

I miss irn-bru

Rоry McCune

hey all, what's the difference between a Garbanzo bean and a chickpea?

...

@Simon has never had a Garbanzo bean on his face

Ohnana

14:04

@RоryMcCune this joke is from reddit

i c u

AviD

@RоryMcCune hehe, I was working on one, yours is better

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana yes ... yes it is

@Ohnana damn my secret is out, I steal jokes from reddit :op

Simon

Actually @raz, when you get the chance, take a look at the Rage Valley EP from Knife Party.

Ohnana

@Simon i love that ep

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Better than @AviD, he gets them from @Simon's mom.

Simon

14:05

Pretty damn solid, yeah.

Ohnana

it's on the "listen for hours" list

Flyk

I haven't had irn bru in ages

AviD

@TerryChia we're talking about jokes, not stds.

Ohnana

@AviD ooooooh shit

Terry Chia

@AviD What precisely are you admitting to?

Rоry McCune

14:06

@Flyk need to wait for your trip to Scotland..

raz

@Simon I'll give it a shot

AviD

@TerryChia admitting nothing, implying that I had coitus with @Simon's mom.

raz

@AviD secure coitus?

or did you wrap it 3 times with Tor for anonymity

Flyk

what I miss most about England: chip shop chips

Terry Chia

Yeah, I'm excusing myself from this conversation.

raz

14:07

@Flyk Any chip shop?

AviD

@TerryChia too late, I already left.

Flyk

@raz pretty much, yes

raz

@AviD Is that what you told @Simon's mom

Flyk

but chipshops near the sea especially

I don't understand how the flavor of deep friend potato slices can vary so much

AviD

heh

Rоry McCune

14:09

@Flyk partially 'cause of what they put on them. On the right side of scotland it's malt vinegar, on the wrong side it's "brown sauce" and on the continent it's <shudder> mayonnaise

Ohnana

salt, spices, type of oil and type of potato

Journeyman Geek

also what else they fried in it and how old the oil is

Rоry McCune

arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/…

Looks like the new XPS13 is a nice piece of kit

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Impressive!

Interesting that only the 512GB SSD is PCIe?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia interesting... yeah if I was in the market for a laptop this year, that'd be a strong contender...

Terry Chia

14:17

@RоryMcCune Gonna be real nitpicky but I wished that the screen is 16:10.

Journeyman Geek

heh

I'm pondering picking up a 11 inch HP stream ._.

Flyk

@RоryMcCune mayo and chips is awesome

salad cream and chips is awesome

@RоryMcCune still a Dell at the end of the day, though

oh, that is a nice looking screen

Ohnana

14:36

@Flyk uh what's salad cream?

Simon

It's a cream made out of salad.

Flyk

cream you put on salad

Ohnana

like, cream the milk product?

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

@RоryMcCune have you seen the 2015 thinkpad X1s?

raz

Salad cream

Salad cream is a creamy yellow condiment based on an emulsion of about 25-50 percent of oil in water, emulsified by egg yolk and acidified by spirit vinegar. It may include other ingredients such as sugar, mustard, salt, thickener, spices, flavouring and colouring. It was introduced in the United Kingdom in the 1920s, where it is used as a salad dressing and a sandwich spread. Due to the higher cost of ingredients during periods of rationing in the United Kingdom a flavour similar to mayonnaise was achieved in the creation of salad cream. == Brands == In the United Kingdom, it has been produced...

Ohnana

14:38

@raz so mayo.

with mustard.

raz

kind of

Simon

It looks like sauce for hipsters.

Rоry McCune

@Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ the carbons, yeah they're nice too. I've got an HP Elitebook 840 G1 which is v.nice as well

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

@RоryMcCune I stayed away last year because of that stupid adaptive strip thingy and moving the keyboard around. I mean... putting home/end where caps lock is is not sensible

luckily they've undone all of that. As a consequence my bank account may suffer

Rоry McCune

@Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ yeah I think people who bought thinkpads last year will be kicking themselves

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

14:45

@RоryMcCune the 8GB ram is a bit measly though. I'm sure they could have soldered on 16

Adnan - Adi

How can you put anything but vinaigrette on salad?

I don't get it!

Rоry McCune

@Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ one of the reasons I went with the Elitebook. Upgradable to 16GB easily and easily removable HDD, so easy to fit a better SSD

Terry Chia

@Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ 640k ought to be enough for anybody...

Rory Alsop

@Flyk @RоryMcCune it's Smoked sausage super wi salt'n'sauce or salt and vinegar for all other chippie products.

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop You are a smoked sausage.

Hey @RоryMcCune, this looks like a good candidate for pinning.

46 mins ago, by Rоry McCune

@Simon has never had a Garbanzo bean on his face

22 hours ago, by Simon

STOP SHITTING ON ME

Simon

14:50

@TerryChia Nicely done but usually, you'd start off with something like "You're". The contraction is quite important.

Terry Chia

@Simon Your face is a contraction.

Simon

pls

Ohnana

@Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ I got mine with 4gb. bad choic.

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

15:09

@Ohnana Yeah, last year I think it was 4/8

8 should be enough... thing is I like VMsa

*VMs

Simon

Who doesn't like VMs?

M'vy

@Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ you know SE chat has an edit feature ?

Ohnana

people who like reinstalling their OS a lot

Simon

Edit feature is annoying.

Much faster to retype the word, usually.

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

@M'vy I should do, really.

Simon

15:12

I think I can do 107 WPM on my Macbook, much faster than clicking.

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

I mean, I was a mod once upon a time. I still miss not being able to edit my messages forever.

Simon

Then, you became a drug addict.

raz

@Simon Only because they took his moderation away, and he had no way to cope

Simon

Oh damn.

Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ

@raz For the avoidance of doubt, I asked to stand down.

That said, witnessing the behaviour of what I assume are adults acting up over fake internet points does make you question the meaning of life.

4

raz

15:22

I feel like it should solidify it more

M'vy

15:44

why on earth do I have to use lotus notes...

Terry Chia

@M'vy Yeah, you should be using node.js.

M'vy

That thing is so slow...

M'vy

16:10

And the things you have to do to simply copy the sender's email address to the bloody clipboard...

Rоry McCune

@M'vy yeah that's security features :)

M'vy

seriously this can't have been released in the 2000 era

Simon

You're an era.

Flyk

@RoryAlsop that doesn't sound appetizing at all

@Nוnɛfוngɛrϛ yeah, I had fun, then once it was no longer fun the entire exercise became mundane

I'm almost grateful to gaming to making me re-evaluate how I spend my spare time

but still wish they'd die in a fire

Simon

pls

Flyk

16:21

stop saying pls, you're not an illiterate fuckwit from #help on Quakenet

Terry Chia

@Flyk Or is he?

►

Flyk

as much as we poke fun of people in here, that would actually be insulting to think that's the case

Flyk

16:39

Flyk had 84 edit suggestions approved, and 1 edit suggestions rejected

DAMN YOU REJECTING MY EDIT

ZOMG

You ruined EVERYTHING.

raz

Flyk

interesting

immediately after complaining about edits in here

I received upvotes on multiple sites

coincidence or stalker?

raz

Someone declined one of my flags, ruined my streak

Flyk

I will go with the latter because it sounds more serious

Simon

I HATE ORDERING AT DELL BY PHONE

IT TAKES 23946723473246532465235324724 HOURS

Flyk

16:41

why are you ordering from Dell?

Simon

YOU GET TRANSFERED 38572647548543583 TIMES

Flyk

lol

raz

@Flyk This is his main problem.

Simon

BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE DELL SERVERS

Our new ones are HP so we're fine.

Flyk

@Simon lol HP

raz

16:42

HP is still a business?

Simon

@Flyk Fuck that, HP is damn good for support, ordering, shipping and good hardware.

@raz Oh man they're way better than Dell.

Flyk

@Simon erm

Simon

And pricing too.

Flyk

it's rare that I can pick out something you say and just disagree with the entire sentence, while being serious

but, this is one of those instances

raz

Dell servers are pretty boss, but yeah their support is effing awful.

Simon

16:43

I had a dead motherboard in a server once, it took 10 minutes by phone to get them to ship me a new one.

I got it the next morning.

raz

But they make such city pwaducts

Flyk

I had a dead SSD

made a phone call, had it fixed the same day

just sayin'

raz

@Flyk You know they don't have moving parts right.

Flyk

I know, they can still die

I have one as a coaster that is proof of that

yes, I have a 512gb crucial ssd as a coaster

don't judge me

raz

@Simon My parents' laptop hinge broke off 2 months after they bought it. Not part of the warranty.

TildalWave

16:45

@raz sure they do - electrons!

raz

@Flyk Well it does as much good there as in your computer!

Flyk

I might even take it apart or hit it with a hammer for shits and giggles

raz

@Flyk I approve of the hammer

Flyk

@raz psh, my computer sees more daily use than @Simon's mom!

raz

@Flyk Woah... are you sure about that?

Flyk

16:46

@raz yes, totally sure

and that's really saying something

Simon

@raz Well now that just sucks.

Flyk

since @Simon's mom's bedroom has a revolving door that never loses enough momentum to come to a stop

Simon

all, I might ask to pls soon.

raz

@Simon Yeah, they just bought a new Lenovo. Hopefully works out better.

Flyk

zomg

are you a chinese spy?

Simon

16:59

No, that's @TerryChia.

Rоry McCune

@raz that's the USA for you. In europe that would likely be covered by consumer protection legislation...

Simon

DID YOU SEE HIS EYES?

THEY'RE CHINESE!

Rоry McCune

@Flyk my HP laptop is awesome

Simon

@Flyk I think I'm gonna join the club of M50s breaker soon.

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