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14:00
@Simon I've coded an awful lot in Python in my time. Though the last 3 years have been mostly Java...
@Tinned_Tuna any experience with ADF?
@Tinned_Tuna Java's cool.
@AviD No. Go back to using things that suck.
But I'm a Web dude.
@AviD ... no?
14:01
I'm not using it
@Simon said no-one ever
@AviD Right... that's what you said about node.js...
Java's not cool, but it get's the job done.
@RоryMcCune Hey, syntax-wise it's cool.
@TerryChia yeah?
14:02
@Tinned_Tuna Clojure is my preferred JVM language now. :)
@TerryChia if @AviD is using an Oracle web framework he's gone meta-hipster where he uses something even a hipster wouldn't use...
ah well I did do an experiment in node.
@TerryChia isn't clojure untyped?
@RоryMcCune I AM NOT USING IT
@RоryMcCune @AviD's an enterprise hipster.
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@Tinned_Tuna Dynamic typing. It's a lisp.
14:02
I have to give devs a document
@TerryChia ha nice
enterprister?
@Tinned_Tuna From a purely language design perspective, the two languages that I find intriguing lately is Rust and Swift.
I just received a late bday gift from my girlfriend
a bottle of 17 year old hibiki...
@LucasKauffman Oh, I thought it'd be a sticker but then I realized that you're not @Lighty.
@Simon stickers are cool damnit
@Ohnana When was the last time that you stuck a sticker somewhere and saw that sticker a few days later and went like: "aw yeah boi dat sticker is damn kewl"?
14:07
@TerryChia I still root for Ada ...
@Simon i do that with all my stickers
@Simon Our fans put up a lot of stickers - so much so that the local council asked us to stop selling them :-)
because I don't put down lame stickers
@Ohnana You're a psycho.
@RoryAlsop lawl
@Simon We didn't stop, obviously - but we politely asked people not to stick them in those places again :-)
14:09
@Simon cannot confirm nor deny
@Tinned_Tuna Yeah, that's not going mainstream anytime soon. :)
launch in 10 minutes nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv cc @RoryAlsop
@TerryChia it's the year of the Ada Desktop! I know it, I can feel it!
@RoryAlsop You should then start giving them away for a bit :)
14:14
@Ohnana I nearly laughed loudly at this part:
> 1965 - Kemeny and Kurtz go to 1964.
@Arperum oh jeez I missed that!
however I am inclined to believe that the PHP story is true
You're a PHP story.
Hey @Ohnana, what do you do as a living?
@Simon I go to university
@Ohnana CS?
right now I'm at a coop job. soon I'll being a combined BS in CS / Master's in Infosec program
14:17
Neat.
> Poland becomes nervous.
@Simon yeah the program is going to shove it's boot up my ass and I'm kind of excited for that
@Ohnana Gotta take one for the team.
And in this instance, the team is you.
Or if you're genuinely a psycho, you might think that you're 2.
@Simon I know I'm 2kool4u
#nocoffee
f dat
I had 2 cup of coffee in less than 2 hours.
Aw yeah boi.
14:21
@Simon TWSS
> This pisses off both groups and each promptly declares jihad.
Perfect ending.
jihad sounds like a thing @AviD is into.
JIIIIIHHHHHHAAAAADDDDDDD
charges round the room
@Simon WITH MY TANK
AND MY AXE
14:26
AND MY PONY
AND MY DONUT
omg @AviD can you imagine if we had a box of a dozen donuts?
I will say this about ADF, it is not as horrid as Oracles other attempt at an all-inclusive dynamic oracle framework.
e.g. IAS - yaknow, that application server that stores the code in the database?
@Simon wow. I would cut your face with an ax, and have a box of a dozen donuts for myself.
@AviD !!!!!!!
dammit now I want donuts
I was about to say that I'd happily share the box with you.
14:28
@AviD but of course. Everything should be stored in the database and the only code that should exist should be PL/SQL
@RоryMcCune heh, yeah, that was pretty much their philosophy.
now that they own java, everything is java
raz
raz
is it me or is SE super slow right now?
ADF is like "YES YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO WRITE HORRIBLE, ERM, YOUR OWN CODE WE WILL WRITE IT FOR YOU"
@raz you'
@raz Sec.SE is doing fine here.
@Simon good. then I will cut your face with an ax and I wont have to share it with you.
raz
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14:30
Naturally
@raz it's just you
now, if we had TWO dozen donuts... that might be different.
@AviD Wtf is an "ax"?
I mean, one dozen, thats barely enough.
@Simon ax == axe
Is the extra "e" too expensive in Israel?
God damn third world country.
14:31
the proper singular spelling, yknow, if you dont learn your spelling from your cologne.
You just blew my load.
I MEAN MIND.
lol
apparently ax is technically correct in academic english, but axe is the common english spelling that traces back to the middle ages
I had no idea that you could spell it "ax" though.
Pardon my Frenchness.
neither did I
14:34
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@Ohnana axe is informally correct, or correctly British.
unless you frequently write in standard acaemic, you wouldn't
hmm, tbf to @Simon, I think your other source of historical information also spells it "axe".
I'm talking about Civilization, of course.
Pretty much the only place where I've encountered that word was on video games, and it was always spelled "axe".
this is everything wrong with ADF and all magic frameworks:
> Oracle ADF simplifies Java EE development by minimizing the need to write code
see if you can spot the dissonance.
14:36
@AviD less java = more simple
math checks out
@Simon yeah, probably because its more distinctive that way.
speaking of which, I still havent gotten Civ 5. anybody wanna email it to me?
@Ohnana "if youre gonna write some code - try not writing code! So simple!"
> "I don't always write Java code, but when I do, I dont write Java code."
@Simon it's also short for half axle
Rose?
Violet?
but damn, reading about all this non-code coding, makes me want to actually write some real code.
@Simon talking about Axl Rose, duh
14:39
@AviD i think that's recursion
@Ohnana no, negation.
@AviD he's Axl ;)
like how having a near death experience makes people want to reproduce.
@AviD write java -> don't write java -> want to write code-> write java -> turtle
turtle!!
14:41
I didnt mean in ADF
@Simon I like turtles
Especially those with a kitty riding them.
but if you axe axle in half you get two half axles, le ax
*explodes*
so why is my monitor making noise?
@AviD whistling and flickering?
14:45
more like a static humm.
@AviD hmm. power supply good? also check the inverter
@AviD dust?
There might be some sand in it too.
@TildalWave Sand is more accurate for people who live in Egypt.
@AviD ahh is it a Korean 27" by any chance?
@Simon They don't since the age of Moses you donut
14:48
pls
@RоryMcCune yeah, why?
its actually something to do with the speakers, strangely.
@AviD and is the window on the screen got quite a lot of text on a whiteish background?
even if I shut the sound off. but if I unplug it it goes away.
ahh not that then
@RоryMcCune oh wait I have had that.
not specifically, but similar - like it has a lot of work.
14:49
@AviD yeah it's a theme with them, thought that might be what you were seeing...
@AviD is the cord damaged/do you have magnets/is something giving off EMI
kind of a gentle grinding noise
@Ohnana yo momma gives off EMI
@RоryMcCune really, how so?
tbh its not loud or bothersome, but since everything else is so quiet...
my entire machine, including the powerful fans, are barely above ambient.
the monitor tends to make more noise than that at times, depending on what its doing.
@AviD dunno but on both my and the missus Korean 27" when the screen displays a mostly white screen with a lot of writing on it, it makes a funny buzzing noise
is weird
just changing the colors or having a mix of windows on screen makes it go away
@RоryMcCune interesting. good to know its not just me.
@AviD yeah I thought it was just my one, till the missus' one did the same thing...
14:53
not just white for me though - sometimes games or anything with heavy graphics
@AviD Does American Sniper represent well the environment that you're living in?
havent seen it
but unlikely
Oh. Well, is there a dude that kills kids with a drill in your neighborhood?
@Simon that's really specific
are you looking for an opening?
@Simon NO! JEEZUS!
14:54
@AviD lulzzz
@Ohnana My name is actually Dexter.
Just came up with a brilliant new business model.
We'll create a fantastic new framework / server, that is very complex and confusing - so all the developers will want to use. Then we give it away FREE. We then charge exorbitant fees for access to documentation, training, etc.
throws a bucket of money at @avid face
yup sounds right
see I figured out the magic formula, to make all the hipsters programmers want to use your framework. It just needs to be more confusing and complicated than all the others, and do less.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! GO ON TAKE IT! TAKE IT HARD IN THE FACE
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hehehe
15:09
It's a joy to listen to Strobe this morning.
@AviD That's basically why everything is broken all the time.
@AviD I was going to suggest that it should be called "PHP.js" but (alas) it already exists.
@AviD Congratulations, I think you've just invented a large portion of Oracle's business model.
@ThomasPornin /hurk
@Xander yes, I was inspired by them.
@ThomasPornin oh dear lord, but of course it does.
15:11
Wtf is PHP.js?
@AviD "it’s not our job to fix php’s mistakes, but to mimic it as good as we can"
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PHP in the front-end and js in the back-end?
@Simon hipster dev version of the mullet?
@AviD Definitely.
15:11
apparently, people who want to make a sort-of PHP engine written in Javascript.
isnt javascript already a sort-of PHP?
"php.js is a resource that offers community-built JavaScript alternatives to PHP functions"
I've read enough.
@ThomasPornin that is an abomination. I vote for death by nuclear fire
> Why on earth would you port php to js?
nuff said.
For fucks sake, do they all exist?
15:13
Yes. PHP and Javascript are mating and having offspring. I am sure there is some relevant verse in the Apocalypse.
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What would possess someone to think "Gosh, PHP is so incredibly wonderful, I would really love to be able to write my client-side code in PHP too! " ???
hahaha, "Dependencies: Insecure"
"Js_of_ocaml is a compiler of OCaml bytecode to Javascript. It makes it possible to run Ocaml programs in a Web browser."
So yeah, I think all most unnatural combinations have been done.
x86.js?
It would appear that famine and pestilence have taken up residence in your living room; one of their horses has taken a shit on your heirloom coffee table, and death is in the bedroom going through your underwear drawer. We've lost track of where war might be. Have a great day!
15:16
Early in the .NET days, there was a fellow who built a .NET compiler for x86 assembly. Then built a website using it.
you mean this image has basis in fact
Oh yes, look, yay. pasm.pis.to
Have I ever mentioned how much I hate snow?
or just asm.js, for that matter
@DavidFreitag We've talked about this. Phoenix.
15:19
@Xander Yes, well, in the meantime I'm stuck with 5' deep drifts of the stuff.
raz
raz
Snow is awesome
You can dig tunnels!
@kalina - the bottom left cluster should be slightly worrying:
@RoryAlsop the top row looks like @Lighty.
@raz did DC get buried in the Snowpocalypse then? or did it wash out there?
then again, the middle row looks like all the rest of us.
15:24
@RoryAlsop define AHD please
raz
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@RоryMcCune We got like a half inch.
I was hoping for at least 6, but we always get screwed.
@raz heh we got more here just last night!
raz
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Lame, I'm moving to Minnesota. They always have snow.
@Ohnana I dunno - let me go and see what that page says
@Ohnana dunno, might be Arteriosclerotic Heart Disease but acronym for that is ASHD
You're an Arteriosclerotuifhdsfdsgbf Heart Disease.
@RoryAlsop ty. I wiki'd it but it came up as a parasitic heart disease. I thought it was odd
@Simon nicely failed.
@AviD I kind of rage quit in the middle of the process.
15:37
are tags really such a complicated concept?
or are specifically our tags all so very confusing?
@AviD tags are subjective, therefore people will munge them as hard as possible
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Q: Should I takeover a compromised website from another hacker?

user67281A website (www.blue*****art.com) is trying to attack my server using Shell Shock vulnerability. After doing an nmap scan on the attacking IP address, I found many open ports. It looks like the website is running Exim, which is vulnerable to GHOST. The website in question has not been maintained ...

it gets better
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A: Should I takeover a compromised website from another hacker?

mizozHackers usually use websites to keep on hacking. I strongly recommend you to not break into another website.

seriously tell me that with a half second thought you couldnt come up with 3 better tags
@TildalWave hackers gonna hack, hack, hack
#YOLO?
15:39
Just break it off
@AviD websites, hack, legal?
Do you guys remember when I used to #yolo in here? Good old days.
@AviD I'm also familiar with tags
@Ohnana websites? really?
is it about websites?
and if you really try to use "hack" I will hack off your fingers with an axE.
@AviD this is why tags are all over the place
15:41
ITS NOT COMPLICATED
who you callin a hoe??!
@AviD why are you assuming he's talking to you
OOHHHHHHH
raz
raz
@AviD word to your mom
@raz hush. Just go fix up some tags.
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15:49
@AviD You go fix up tags
I'm busy.
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That seems unlikely
@raz havent you heard me whinging on about ADF the last couple days??
looks like @Simon has a new pseudonym.
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Q: What's the best way to avoid catastrophe caused by negligence?

ZenI have been a programmer for almost 1 year. As an ADHD adult, naturally I don't have the same strength of attention on ordinary stuffs as my colleagues do. And I find the catastrophe made by me are usually caused by trivial negligence. Like for today, I found the cron process on the server col...

the important thing is that you are trying to better yourself.
facepalm
@AviD aw come on. that's a good question
and it's something I struggle with too
15:54
@Ohnana it IS a good question. it is not a good programmer.
raz
raz
haha, I like the first comment. "Pay attention"
though it COULD become one.
@raz yeah, duh
@AviD asking the question of how is the first step to being better
@Ohnana exactly
raz
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"How do I avoid fucking up?" "Ummmm don't?"
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15:55
also lol at the people freaking out for them mentioning ADHD
actually noticing the problem is the first step
cant tell you how many I've worked with that were oblivious to their own shortcomings.
Backups backups backups and backups
as if willpower can correct brain malfunctions
@Ohnana umm. Of course it can?
raz
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@Ohnana There's no place like home... there's no place like home... there's no place like home.
15:57
"How can I get smarter?" "First decide not to be so damn stupid all the time".
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@AviD ADHD and attention deficits have biological roots
@Ohnana they are tendencies only.
this has more to do with laziness - both physical and intellectual. ADHD is not the point.
@AviD pls
@AviD aight I'm not getting into this shit show
sure it might make it harder, but thats irrelevant.
15:58
anyhoo, hope the dude becomes a killer programmer someday
Programming is hard. Even without ADHD.
if you wanna just slide by without making the effort of paying attention to every goddamn little detail, you'll be a crap programmer. Or a PHP programmer.
*stabs @AviD *
my thoughts are: Pay attention, code reviews, tests (esp. with a rigorous methodology), and milk tool support for all it's worth.
@Tinned_Tuna damn, what are milk tools?
are those tools FOR milk, or made OUT of milk?
they're the tube-sucky-things they attach to udders to get milk out of cows
16:00
in which case, wouldnt that just be "cheese"?
damn, beat me to a cheesey joke.
@Tinned_Tuna ah
@Tinned_Tuna sokay, you can take the nursing one.
@AviD P H P
DYNAMITE
P H P
16:19
Simon's chat kill count: 38753
rip son
@Simon Wasn't there something you wanted me to listen to on monday?
I've got the killers stuck in my head.
@DavidFreitag If so, I goldfish'd the fuck out of it.
16:37
Please, tell me this won't rep train:
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Q: Should I takeover a compromised website from another hacker?

user67281A website (www.blue*****art.com) is trying to attack my server using Shell Shock vulnerability. After doing an nmap scan on the attacking IP address, I found many open ports. It looks like the website is running Exim, which is vulnerable to GHOST. The website in question has not been maintained ...

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rep train?
@raz choo choo
also i am installing 1 perl module. I'm already at 10 levels of dependencies
@Simon son.rip
oop, make that 11
@raz Really? You're not familiar with the term yet?
16:42
@Ohnana D:
@Simon you're a familiar term.
@DavidFreitag cpan: not even once
@AviD :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
raz
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@Simon nope
Can it just be noon already...
16:46
whaaa..?? its almost bedtime.
Nope it's almost lunch time
@raz You hop on da rep train and get massive rep.
@DavidFreitag right, I'm going upstairs now to eat lunch and then put kids to bed.
@AviD Sounds like a plan. I'm having a steak sandwich, you?
@Simon we'd rather op on yo mom and get massive rep.
16:48
pls
@DavidFreitag something light, dont wanna fall asleep just yet
@Simon no really, I dont know waht that is intended to imply.
pls
1 min ago, by AviD
@Simon no really, I dont know waht that is intended to imply.
pls
16:51
I'm doing VB6 now @AviD, are you proud of me?
@Simon well it is a step up from PHP.
hell VB3 is a step up from PHP.
@DavidFreitag I dont get it, and off-box 3d card?
can it run crysis?
@AviD It's not for playing games, in fact I doubt it would play Crysis. It's purpose is for rendering things like movies and really awesome cutscenes from games and such.
Get about 15 or 20 of those and you can open a very competitive CG studio.
ah.
cant get over that they actually called themselves Box.
because that name is so unique.
@AviD It's not really the name that matters
They can be called fluffy pink unicorns for all I care.
@DavidFreitag no, except for marketing. and SEO.
they should have called themselves Rendr. with the missing vowel, so we know they are appropriately hipster enough.
16:57
I just configured a render box for $13k. 48 cores and 160GB of ECC ram
@AviD Also, technically they aren't named "Box" they are named "Boxx Technologies"
ohhhh because Boxx is pronounced differently.
I am sure that Aaron Levie is relieved.
Presumably.
Their mobile workstations are hilarious.
17:23
@Simon What in the name of all that's holy is making you code VB6?
@RоryMcCune Gotta add features to an old app.
@Simon old... that's fricken pre-historic!
@Simon heck VB6 has been out of support with MS since like 2008!!!
According to the logs, I was 9 when it was first coded.
I could tell you other facts if my VM didn't freeze because of outdated VMWare tools
le fu-
@Simon It was coded last month?
@DavidFreitag No, 3 years ago.
17:35
Dude the roof of my mouth is raw. It was very painful to eat my lunch.
@DavidFreitag you do know there's better ways of fighting anemia than eating rusty nails, right?
@TildalWave Yes but I just love the mouthfeel of rusty nails.
17:52
@DavidFreitag the fuck are you eating?
@Ohnana Nothing particularly damaging. I woke up on tuesday and the roof of my mouth was like this.
@DavidFreitag what are you doing at night?!

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