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Hahahaha, what the hell... psapin.github.io
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DJ Pogrom
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Aside from horrible UI, why oh why
 
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08:54
This doesn't even match the way TLS works. You can't specify something like "SSL 2.0 and TLS 1.0". At most you can abort the connection afterwards.
But in general an assumption behind SSL version negotiation is that an SSL client or server supports the whole range between a minimum and a maximum version with no holes.
09:51
mornin' all
saw an interesting idea for testing for MS14-066 before the PoC comes out
scan the server for support of the new ciphers that MS introduced
@RоryMcCune interesting :-)
is today this Black Friday thing? SE seems particularly dead today
10:07
@RoryAlsop ahh could be I gues, wonder if that'll delay the exploit for MS14-066? I see there's one out for the IE bug MS14-064 which apparently works all the way back to IE3 on Win95
hey @ThomasPornin @terrychia do either of your SSL scanners check for the cipher suites that MS introduced with that patch?
10:29
Moning folk
éllo peoples
I graduated to second class developer (1 > 2) with a huge 8.5/10 :D
@Lighty What does that mean?
(either way, 'grats :-) )
@Lighty 1 is greater than 2?
Yay!
@Tinned_Tuna Means i graduated with a rather high grade
@Lighty but what did you graduate ? :-p
10:32
@Tinned_Tuna as a Application Developer? o.o
@Lighty but that's a huge field, what did you do in the class? Was it like (For example) developing Android apps, or was it "This is how Java works", or something else entirely?
@Tinned_Tuna a more general programming and scripting class, its higher than standard level over here in the netherlands (for reference, the course is MBO4)
that means i "master" HTML, CSS, JScript, PHP, ASP.NET, know how to configure a windows server, know how to work with MS Office Access, Excel, Word, and know how SQLite and MySQL works
but this course is given by shitty teachers, so i'm not really getting the course i want :/
fair enough
well, congrats :-)
 
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@RоryMcCune Mine does.
Just look at the source code: bolet.org/TestSSLServer/TestSSLServer.cs
All cipher suites are there, with their full names.
Hello people :D
Does anybody know why would the IT manager request the employees email passwords for email migration?
I don't know the process of email migration but does anybody know if it necessarily require the employees email passwords?? what is the best thing to do in this case -.-
@Lamia I can think of several reasons, they're all pretty bad IT practice :)
Assuming that you trust them with the contents of your mailfile (And I'd assume you do as you work for them), if I were you I'd change my password to something random before the migration, then change it again immediately after the migration
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@Lamia What @RоryMcCune said
12:35
The sad thing is, I just made a security awareness orientation to the employees and I almost died convincing them never to share their passwords. Now I should find a way to convince them that's special case or something
Do you think I should email them and tell them to do what @RоryMcCune just told me?
I dont want to live on this planet anymore
There is something else, I don't think it is right to send even my temporary password through email. What other channels would u suggest we use to send our passwods?
Calls? Voice notes
@Lamia well here's the thing, once IT get your password what are they going to do with it? I'm guessing this is either 'cause their migration tool needs to log in as the user, or they're being "nice" and setting the migrated account password to the same as the old one
either way they'll be writing it down in the clear somewhere while they work on it
so if you accept the bad practice you're getting from IT, is sending it via Internal mail (I'm assuming you're internal mail stays on your internal network) worse than that?
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I am getting super frustrated with my damn laptop
At least once a week some times twice, it will just freeze.
And I can't figure out what the hell is going wrong
13:03
@RоryMcCune I hate that I should accept it. Either way, I should conduct another awareness presentation to the employees and explain them the case :C they would not trust wt I'd tell them after this case lol
Did anyone miss me? :)
@TerryChia Watcha' Terry where've you been?
@RоryMcCune No time to catch up with infosec happenings lately. :( It's easy to add additional cipher suites to my scanner though, I just need the ID MS is using.
@TerryChia oh man this is the big week
potential for new IIS apocolypse
@RоryMcCune I got conscripted. :)
@RоryMcCune I have seen some stuff on Twitter but didn't have time to read up on it.
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13:06
@RоryMcCune *runs around screaming
@TerryChia noooooo, you should tell them you're a cybersecurity expert and they should let you work on python scripts :)
@RоryMcCune Hehe, I'm two weeks into a 5 weeks basic training thing. I don't actually know what I'll be doing yet.
Internet access will be limited during the next 3 weeks though so I'll miss all the juicy stuff.
@TerryChia MS SChannel bug, been around for ages, could allow RCE in all services that use MS SSL services (RDP, SMB, HTTPS) race for an exploit is on
@RоryMcCune Oooh, yeah. That's the one MS patched in the same update that introduced the new ciphers right?
@TerryChia yeah that's why the new cipher stuff is handy you can use it as an easy check for the patch :)
13:09
Well, it's only fair that Windows has a easily exploitable RCE. :) Linux has been taking a beating lately. :P
@RоryMcCune Does the update automatically prefer it? Don't you need to do configurations to enable it?
@TerryChia I believe it's automatically enabled
@TerryChia MS have 2 , the other one MS14-064 is a client-side in IE back to v3 and there's an exploit out already...
so XP/IE8 people are now officially smegged
2014 - the year when we realize all software is fucked and we should buy a cave.
@TerryChia Caves have a huge hole
And you can't play Ingress on them
@RoryAlsop So does your momma.
Damn, that feels good. It's been a while.
@TerryChia TWSS
Oh, wait
that now sounds wrong
13:12
...yes
@RoryAlsop "now"?
Hey @rapid7 how come unencrypted FTP is a CVSS 7 http://www.rapid7.com/db/vulnerabilities/ftp-plaintext-auth and unencrypted telnet is a CVSS 4 http://www.rapid7.com/db/vulnerabilities/telnet-open-port ?
^I hate scanners
I wouldn't be so bothered but this actually matters to companies, CVSS7 == high == fail for internal PCI scanning
@RоryMcCune retweeted
@RoryAlsop ta, I have the fun of doing a PCI test this week so the inconsistencies of finding levels are annoying me :)
what's perhaps even funnier is that MITM bugs in SSL and things like self-signed certs are rated higher than running an entirely unencrypted protocol (telnet)
so theoretically you can improve your security by running plain HTTP
@RоryMcCune In a way it's more dangerous because you have the expectation with SSL that your traffic is secure.
13:25
@TerryChia phhhbt there's no CVSS category for expectation of security :op
these ratings are both done by the "objective" CVSS scoring system
@RоryMcCune Downvoted your tweet.
@RоryMcCune Now you sound like a consultant. :P
@RоryMcCune make one! And then get @SwiftOnSecurity to tweet about it :-)
@TerryChia I'm the poor sucker who has to try and explain these things to customers, and it's not fun
@Simon D.O.U.G.H.N.U.T.
#donut
13:26
@RoryAlsop heh
@Simon I thought you were more a #bagel man these days
@RоryMcCune hash bagel
@RоryMcCune Blasphemy.
@Simon how can it be, it's right there in the star wall..... pinned no less!
@RоryMcCune I was set up.
Sweet Bagel Set Up
13:28
2k14
14:19
good afternoon gents, ladies and @Simon
@RoryAlsop You can. Use a copper threaded pilot line ... voila, happy WiFi spelunking :P
(mind, it might weigh a ton LOL)
@TildalWave hahahaha
you know, I know just the right guys that would be up to it and try it in a real cave
and if it sets some record they're prolly already on it
we do have one cave that's so bleeping touristic that it even has an electric train and lights all through it ... I wouldn't be too surprised it they installed GSM repeaters in it too by now
@TildalWave Morning you donut.
that's no way to see a cave tho ... plus, some Italian woman might sit behind you and you'll wish you brought a gun :)
@RоryMcCune If we really want to justify the difference in classification, one could argue that basic users are much more likely to use FTP than Telnet, since a basic Windows includes a client for the former (the file explorer) but not for the latter (at least my desktop system does not appear to have a Telnet client).
14:38
@TildalWave - I'm coming to get ya... just 2 rep points away :-)
@ThomasPornin the annoying bit is this is CVSS ratings which are meant to be "objective" and when you look at it telnet is (AV:N/AC:M/Au:N/C:P/I:N/A:N) and FTP is (AV:A/AC:M/Au:N/C:C/I:C/A:N) so apparently the difference is that compromising a telnet password only has a "partial" effect on confidentiality and has to happen from an "adjacent" network where for FTP it's a "full" compromise of confidentiality and can happen from anywhere!
@paj28 Ah well done! Yeah ... I kinda don't make much rep with comments and nuking anything I know an answer to LOL
@RоryMcCune - you sound surprised... I though people had agreed CVSS was a load of balls years ago
@paj28 oh I knew it was balls but I didn't realise the scanners couldn't even get basic consistency on easy findings right
and when it's PCI it actually matters to companies
as they'll get a fail for that cleartext FTP which could just allow access to public info. and a pass with cleartext telnet that could be an admin login to a router
yep
shows the futility of trying to risk assess vulns in isolation
you can only truly risk assess a system
14:43
@paj28 indeed
@RоryMcCune Why bother when there's a new RCE coming out every month? :P
@TerryChia hey hey stop thinking like an attacker
What I want to see is a RCE in OpenBSD.
Thinking of forming a boy band with other developers... We'll call it *RSYNC.
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14:55
Backdoor Boys
That sounded dirtier than I expected.
@paj28 Everyone gripes about it, but then then we're all still expected to use it to score every new vulnerability ever. So until that expectation goes away, it's going to continue to be a thorn in our sides.
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Q: Masking IP address and port number for Web application

YogiI have a Web application running on port 89 ( non-standard port) of a Windows 2012 R2 machine. The login page for this application needs to be accessible through a link on my website - let's call it mydomain-llc.com. I have created a button on the home page which currently explicitly provides the...

Well, at Pentest we've decided that we don't do CVSS now
There are a couple of votes to migrate this to SF. I'd be really hesitant to do that, because this is just the kind of question they seem to hate.
and none of the clients seem to miss it!
@Xander - I've simply voted to close as offtopic, with no migrate
@paj28 Yeah, me too.
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@Xander - you've been on fire recently with your answers, flying up the rep table
@paj28 Oh yeah? Good for you guys...It's not often you see companies willing to step up and throw out the cherished institutions of the industry even though they're insufferably stupid. And it's even better to hear that you're not getting push-back from clients. That leads me to believe that there is hope after all. :-)
@paj28 yeah we don't either except where it's PCI scanning where it's mandated or the customer specifically asks for it
@paj28 Slowly but steadily. :-)
Yeah, that makes me glad we decided never to touch PCI wor
@paj28 Yay!
15:06
BTW, Pentest have recently got CREST and CHECK, I hope that won't make us do CVSS
And I am to do the CREST web app tester exam in December
any tips Rory? (or others)?
@paj28 not AFAIK, we have that and it ain't here
@paj28 Best of luck!
@paj28 But do you dance three times around the server rack at midnight?
@paj28 Oh, wow, yeah, getting close to 4K in the last six weeks. Huh. Hadn't realized.
@paj28 ooh too long for a post, I'll drop you a mail, though I think it's changed to a new exam since I last took it, but I can give some general advice :)
15:07
@TerryChia - midnight server activities stay in the server room :-)
@paj28 squints
I don't really want to know what you do alone in the server room at midnight.
@paj28 the main thing is being slick with the tools & techniques, having all your refs and tools on your laptop 'cause the Internet access onsite is a pain, and watch your time on the practical 'cause it's tough to get round it all in the time given
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@TerryChia He does whatever he has to to keep warm!
dat seal
@diabloII fans
dat last seal..
Something completely else...
does anyone have experience with Kerberos in a mixed Windows / UNIX environment?
One of our guys has been sorting out LDAP for our internal systems, so you just have one user name and password throughout
But you still have to login to things individually
Is there a way you can get automatic login, at least for SSH + web apps?
15:14
@Lighty Diablo runs are lame in expansion. :P
4 man teams in non expansion D2 are fun as hell to run.
@TerryChia badumtss
4 man teams in a D3 Inferno IV+ are fun
I quit D3 before the expansion came out. I was soloing with a WW barb at that point.
my dad's favs are the barbarian and the monk o.o
escpecially the monk
Bitch please. Sanctuary runs are the best with a hammer paly with 7 idlers.
starred bcuz of truth
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@Simon Nah, most efficient is sorc + hammerdin with a buff barb at the start.
I used to run 5 simultaneous teams with that.
@TerryChia You don't need any of these with a fully geared paly. Sorcs suck because of immunes.
@Simon Nono, sorc is just to pop the seals. I'm referring to non expansion where you don't have Enigma.
mah proud little diablo collection :3
fits barely in my hand
@TerryChia Bleh, expansion ftw.
Buff barb + cold sorc + 1 or 2 hammerdins is the standard non-expansion team.
@Simon I farm Baal with a blizzsorc in expansion.
I also used to do Council runs for runes in single player.
15:22
@TerryChia Blizz sorc has to be one of the funnest character ever.
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@TerryChia You need some council alright...
All right? Damn I hate the English language.
@Simon Yep, drop a blizz and static it down.
Nothing beats a trapsin in PVP though, that's gay as fuck.
Spawn traps in front of town, wait for da lulz.
Then some druid/paly will wear a shit ton of light sorb and then you're out.
Nah, traps to harass, telelock your opponent and whirlwind.
A trapsins main damage isn't the traps.
It depends on the build.
15:25
Dad: ok, im going to stun this lil' bitch and blow blizzards on them so you can areadamage them, be sure to loet your minions tank!
me: pushes random buttons
@Simon Meh, the trapsin PVP build is pretty standard at high levels of play.
thats our team
:3
D2's PVP is mostly about exploiting game mechanics.
That reminds of the good old TPPKing
Deadly in hardcore lulz
@Simon Hehe, that's one stupid trick.
I usually play PVP barb v barb though.
15:27
Never really liked barbs
Is it a good idea to buy Diablo III as a present for my GF? she enjoyed 2 veeeery much, but wants something thats a bit easier with MP, she'll join the team with me and dad :o
@Lighty Honestly D3 is a bad game compared to D2.
and she's into (mmo)rpg's too, hack 'n slash too
I played D2 for years and D3 for less than 6 months.
@TerryChia compared to, yes, but a great piece without
15:28
D2 managed to hook me for 6-7 years.
Ugggh, I want to play D2 again but I lost my cd key.
who needs a key for diablo II?
goes pretty well without (no battle.net)
@Lighty I'm completely bored of single player.
LAN? D:
I spent 6 months straight farming runes.
juusus
15:30
I had legit gayass runewords in single player, that's how much time I wasted.
and i thought i was no-lifing that game
true, and MP has player ears and uber bosses
I had Infinity, Enigma and something else in single player.
*über
Infinity merc!
Those were damn helpful to sorcs.
Dayum
just checked my exam documents my boss gave me when I resigned today
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15:32
Exam documents?
he passed me a 100 euro gift card to a huge electronics store over here
yea, the ones that are proof i did 2/3rd of my interntime for school (720hrs)
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Why did you only do 2/3?
because school shceduled the last 1/3rd at the end of the 3rd year after we've learned a bit more then what we know now
but still
he gave me a 100 euro giftcard, i have no idea what to say... im gunna call him and thank him for it
I have absolutely no idea what any of you guys have been saying for the past ten minutes
@RoryAlsop effects of getting older
15:40
no - definitely effects of abbreviating
@RoryAlsop You weren't even born back then when D2 was a thing, that's why.
@Simon To me D2 is Doom 2, or R2's surname
Young padawan, you have so much to learn.
see? this is the reason why Rory is awesome
he know more then just one great game title :3
@RoryAlsop there's another Rory?
15:42
gives a biscuit to @RoryAlsop
@Lighty heh heh heh
@Lighty I don't think biscuits were invented yet when @RoryAlsop was a thing.
@TerryChia ouch
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@Lighty That's a good idea
@TerryChia That sucks biscuits are delicious.
talking about good games
10.- for the whole farcry franchise
goddamn
already own them all on jewelcase/dvd, but still
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15:46
Never played Farcry
being build on the CryEngine, concidered worlds most advanced graphic engine, Farcry one through 3 are really beautifull games, but the gameplay is really awesome too, number one is classic FPS singleplayer action and fun MP for the time (2004), while farcry 3 takes the cake as GOTY for me on its release (2012?)
farcry 2 sucks
but FC3 is open-world
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Battlefield type open world?
in FC2, they thought it would be a good idea to have realistic weaponary
and not the type of red orcheastra
but the kind of when you shoot a RPG
it explodes in yer face
and no, not battlefield
think more of jsut cause and red faction armageddon, and inbetween them and GTA
in a jungle enviorment with not alot of civilisation
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Right, jungle's
Hate jungles
> Find the next number in the following sequence: 1, 3, 4, 6, 14, 9, 37, 12, ...
It has bugged my brain for a bit now
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@Adnan 86
Dupe
@Xander Why?
The sequence starts with 1. After that, it alternates between multiples of 3, and the sum of all previous numbers.
@Xander Fuck
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Damn it
I was about to say that
Xander, stealing Glory since [insert birth year here]
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@Xander Thanks for reliving my itch
16:12
@Adnan Happy to help. :-)
Anybody played around with the MS14-064 exploit yet?
Oooh, sweet. Looks like we're gonna get the MS14-066 exploit tonight :D
LSASS eip control via ms14-066 + preauth RDP achieved in lab. Will be in CANVAS Early Updates tomorrow!!! http://t.co/tz9qZuBglr
@Adnan you have a CANVAS Sub?
@RоryMcCune Not me
@Adnan so humanity in general as a "we" rather than you personally... I C
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@Adnan Wow LSASS EIP control. That's a bit intense.
This kind of stuff makes me so happy I don't use Windows as an operating system.
16:18
@RоryMcCune No no..
I'll tell you on Facebook
@RоryM @raz Oh, looks like it's already out
Okay, I have it now.
Let's see...
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You have what now?
@Adnan this one is going to cause havok with slow patchers, we see quite a bit of RDP exposed on the Internet and I don't think people realise that this bug applies
Also I read a post saying it causes big slowdowns on SQL servers, so some people may not apply to avoid the issue...
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People seem to forget that RDP uses TLS
Since Vista I think
@raz @RоryM Hmmm... seems disappointing. I'm only getting a crash
Debugger shows no signs of EIP control
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@Adnan Where is it crashing though?
What debugger are you using?
16:28
@raz OllyDbg
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@Adnan What exactly is crashing?
@RоryMcCune I saw that as well, but only when using Access as a front-end. Is it turning out to be true in other scenarios, do you know?
@raz lsass.exe going out with exit code 11
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Hi folks, I've posted a cryptogram on Puzzling.SE which you guys might find entertaining. puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/4642
@raz Hmm.. this is weird
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16:31
@Adnan "11 An attempt was made to load a program with an incorrect format. "
That's a weird ass error
@raz Are you sure that this is what it means?
@Xander not too sure, this is the post I saw. darrenmyher.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/…
@RоryMcCune Ah yeah, ok, that's the same one I saw. I hope it's only apps with Access front-ends.
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@Adnan I wish I could actually debug this right now.
16:34
@raz If I'm not here under my real identity, I'd hand it over to you
wat
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@Adnan haha, no worries
I can help remotely... just need that exploit :P
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11 million hosts with port 3389/TCP on the Internet
care for a wager on the percentage of systems fixed?
> For some unknown reason, 11 million computers crash worldwide tonight.
Oh, this is way over my head
Looks like my friend is already controlling EIP. He said that only some tweaks needed
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@Adnan I kind of figured that with the crash
With a few extra steps you'd probably have control
16:40
@raz Isn't "EIP control" some buzzword really meaning "there is a buffer overflow and the buffer is on the stack" ?
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@ThomasPornin No, there are multiple ways to gain EIP control
@ThomasPornin and "we've figured out the size of the buffer and we padded it enough to overwrite EIP"
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Generally requiring some kind of pivot
@raz pivot?
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Yeah like, pivoting from the initial vulnerability to gaining execution
@Adnan I guess I always just called it a pivot, don't know if there's a real technical term for it.
16:43
@raz But "EIP control" doesn't imply arbitrary code execution, no?
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@Adnan not arbitrary code execution
@Adnan "full EIP control" means "I can jump wherever I want", which is indeed not the same thing.
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But you having control over EIP in some way is generally a huge step in the right direction
Off to lunch and beer, bbiab
@Adnan You may still be defeated by the likes of DEP or ASLR so no.
@TerryChia That's what I was thinking
16:48
It's just the first step towards code execution, you may need some other vulns to chain together at times.
 
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@TerryChia Baby steps, you start with DEP and ASLR turned off. Then you attempt to solve each problem individually.
 
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I don't know why but this question just seems odd
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Q: Accessing iPhone data without passcode - how difficult?

John ShedletskyI use iOS7 with a 4-digit passcode that isn't on any top 10 lists. I have "Erase all data after 10 failed passcode attempts" turned on. How hard would it be for someone who stole my phone to get access to my email?

Hey so I have all this security on the iPhone, iPhone this, iPhone that... can they get access to my email?
Well they can get access to your phone, which if you use email then yes.
What a shitty question.
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Pretty much
I don't want to be at work anymore.
I want to leave, and go drink beer.
Same, I just wanna jump off a bridge.
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But then you can't drink beer. Which is contradictory to my goals.
I had La Fin Du Monde last night again, it was great.
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19:46
I had a local brew last night
Collaboration with Stone
I haven't had La Fin Du Monde in a long time.
I drank a Coup de Grisou yesterday; it was not bad.
Are these sold in our grocery stores?
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