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3:00 PM
if you're so inclined
 
@RоryMcCune I appreciate the link but do I want to?
Argument 1 starts with statistics made on the top of someone's head.
I don't think I want to read the rest.
 
@Simon I'd say no, avoid it if you can
but in case curiousity gets the better of you :)
 
I'll keep on avoidin' then!
 
@RоryMcCune i dont get it, are they wining female VG characters have nice butts and boobs?
ugh, i dont think i even wanna come out of under my rock
 
@Lighty Is it cozy under your rock?
 
3:03 PM
@Simon Yes
 
@Lighty dunno guv, I know nothing about gaming culture these days...
 
@Lighty Then you might wanna stay there.
 
Back in my day it were tape and 16K of RAM
3
 
Back in my day, you had to blow the damn cassette.
 
Lighty's game requirement checklist:
1. Is it for PC?
2. Is it Playable on my machine?
3. Is it cheap/steam compatable?
4. Is it something i can play for longer than 5 hours?
 
3:04 PM
@RоryMcCune And the female characters displayed had nice blocky figures :-)
 
@RoryAlsop dem pixel boobs
Duke Nukem 3D
 
@Lighty Metro is fun
 
cough
 
hahaha Duke Nukem - yes
I remember that
 
@RoryAlsop glad you liked it :3
 
3:05 PM
and the sneaky, hard to get hacks to edit skin maps for characters in various games
 
yesh, my dad was called crazy for letting me play that when i was younger
hehe
Even though people complained bout the new Duke Nukem game (DN Forever)
i enjoyed it
I mean
big boss fight with a monster who has 3 tits
hell yea
 
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Q: Is there a way to rename "Remaining" to "Apple Juice Remaining"?

StormeHawkeOn a MacBook Pro, is there a way to change the text in the battery life drop down? Specifically, where it says "X:XX Remaining" I want it to say "X:XX of Apple Juice Remaining" Why? Because a good pun is its own reword. Yes, this is a serious question. Yes, I tried googling first :) Running...

^_^
 
hahahahahaha
 
I wonder if you could type a control character in there and make your Mac go insane.
 
@Simon what do you mean 'go' insane
it's a Mac
 
3:18 PM
@RoryAlsop You donut.
 
no going required
@Simon No I don't
 
just use a "magic" touch pad
you need actual magic to not hang yourself while using it
 
You can't find a better trackpad than the one embedded in their laptops.
 
the magic touchad is that bluetoot one for their iMacs
i worked with one last period
i hate em >:
 
It can't be much different than the one on Macbook Pro.
 
3:21 PM
Its cool to browse 9Gag or facebook with
but god forbid you trying to something productive with it
 
@Simon oh god no
 
let alot do image editing
 
They are terrible
 
@RoryAlsop Oh come on, it takes 5 minutes to get used to it.
 
Mac trackpads are entirely teh suxxor
I like ones that require < 1 second to get used to
 
3:22 PM
DONUTS, DONUTS EVERYWHERE
 
and that have good resolution
 
@Simon It takes only 5 seconds to throw them out of the window AND realize youre an idiot for spending 2999,- on a laptop
 
and no jitter
 
trackpads generally suck
 
and 'normal' functionality
 
3:22 PM
I favour trackpoints or real mice ;p
 
My Roccat kone Pure optic mouse kinda rocks
<3
 
@Lighty Dude, where the hell do you buy your Macs?
 
@Simon i dont buy em
 
@JourneymanGeek well, yes. But on my main PC at home I have a decent gaming mouse, a wacom for graphic design and a trackpad for - well, the kids really
 
i bury em
 
3:23 PM
@JourneymanGeek are you talking about the nipply things?
hate them most
 
lulz
 
@RoryAlsop: I tended to buy thinkpads for the mouseclits.
 
wat
 
@JourneymanGeek I loved Thinkpads. And always disabled the traxpoint
 
I have used the term "donut" 228 times so far.
That would be 229 though.
And "yolo" 190 times (191 now).
 
3:26 PM
how about the general usage, of the word Boobs
tell me
please
 
This chat needs more appriciation of the female part called Boobs
NOT. ENOUGH. BOOBS.
 
I get enough at home to not feel the need to talk about it.
 
@RoryAlsop I've been replaying metro on redux, lots of fun
@Simon your own don't count
neither do your mothers
 
@Simon Your mom's nei-
ninja
>:/
 
3:33 PM
well my wife is breastfeeding our son at the moment
well, maybe not this exact moment
 
must... not... make... inappropiate... joke...
 
@Lighty haha, I was already thinking I left myself open, but wasn't sure if anyone would go there
 
at moment when you know a funny comment, but you know you'd die if you make it
 
see, problem is, indicating that that might mean simon was related would actually be a compliment to simon though, so I figured I was safe
 
Then again, you're a mod
You can be mean
:3
 
3:37 PM
actually, katarina vanished too didn't she
 
and AviD
and kisu D:
and adnan o.o
 
I still see Adnan and Avid on occasion
I must have missed kisu
since I come and go from time to time too
 
@AJHenderson I weigh 140 pounds.
Where the hell are my boobs supposed to be?
 
@Simon maybe you are happy with really, really small boobs
 
@Simon Really? Do they, say, have a tactile feedback how close you are to the border or bump when you slide past its scroll areas? Or at least a gentle relief on it to same effect? Or anything else that others don't do also, probably better and have been 10 years before Apple adopted it? You can't find a better trackpad? You can't handle a trackpad! :P
 
3:45 PM
@Lighty @avid is in hipsterland being a hipster, @Adnan was about Monday IIRC, @kisu I've not seen in a bit
 
HIPSTERS.
 
@kalina was about the other day briefly
 
@TildalWave there for a second I thought we were still talking about Simon's boobs and I got confused
 
@AJHenderson I was indeed waiting for the right moment :)
 
@tylerl Do they need a janitor at Google?
 
3:52 PM
 
@TildalWave OH. MY. GOOOOOOOOOOOD.
That is so lovely!
 
I was too lazy to make one so I googled for it lol
 
My boss/mentor jsut filled in the forms
I've been graded all 8's for my prestations for my internship
means i've passed the formalities grading!
 
8/100 isn't very good.
 
8/10
;P
 
3:56 PM
@Lighty are you sure you meant to use "prestations" in that sentence?
 
I'm a fun collueage with alot of interest in learning new things, i can improve on getting here on time, and the work i delivered was really good for my grade
@TildalWave yes, yes i did
 
@Lighty ah ok, just checking
 
4:14 PM
yay -got my 5k on SEx.SE :-)
 
@RoryAlsop gz but low
 
@Simon I know. That's cos I'm not a roket scientist
I actually have a dodgy 'c' key on this keyboard
 
roket man
 
you have to press it and v extra hard
 
:D
I bet that's because it's not a Mac keyboard.
 
4:25 PM
@Simon no it's because it's old, and it's not mine. My team just moved this week. More space, more windows, better workstations, but this keyboard is rubbish - so I need to swap it
 
@Simon no if it was a mac keyboard you just wouldn't feel anything from all the flat, soft membrane crap
 
WINDOWS NOOBS
 
@AJHenderson and look how happy we are
 
@RoryAlsop you still at the bottom of the hill or different office now?
@Adnan harsh
 
@RоryMcCune t'other side of the building. We get sun in the morning now, and trees
 
4:34 PM
@Adnan hey, I didn't say I was complaining, just pointing it out. Didn't she disappear around the same time as felchinger
 
@AJHenderson is that an accidental misspelling?
:-)
 
Yes.
 
@AJHenderson Yes. How unexpected!
 
@RoryAlsop nice. BTW I may be in town tomorrow afternoon, you about perhaps for coffee? or more likely you're calendar is chocka with meetings for the next month or so :op
 
@RoryAlsop no, I just never did remember his name correctly
I'm pretty sure I've come up with a lot of mispellings though
 
4:35 PM
@RоryMcCune All I'm saying is that we're not exactly sad that she's not here anymore
 
@RоryMcCune and....tomorrow I'm in sunny Gogarburn :-(
 
@RoryAlsop LOL
 
@Adnan I don't think you're helping your case.
 
@Adnan Aside from the early days, I thought she was just fine
 
If @Simon wasn't around for a week, we'd notice, and maybe ask about him after a couple of weeks.
 
4:37 PM
@Adnan lulz
 
@RoryAlsop although where is this sunny gogarburn of which you speak, I've seen the forecast for tomorrow and it looks like rainy everywhere :)
 
Same goes for @Tlidal or @Rоry or the otheres
 
@RoryAlsop BTW I don't suppose you go to the NCC trust forums do you?
 
@RоryMcCune It's always sunny where I am
@RоryMcCune Never been invited
 
@Adnan nah, we'd notice faster
someone would make a simon joke and there wouldn't be any response
 
4:38 PM
@AJHenderson Well, yeah. My point was that this is pretty much the first time anybody asked about her
and it has been like, what, 1-2 months?
 
@RoryAlsop ooh that's scandalous, I'll see if I can rectify that..
 
@Adnan we have spoken of her a few times. And she has been in relatively recently
 
@RoryAlsop Oh, really?
Hmm.. my brain must have tuned her out completely
 
I'm thinking 3 weeks ago, maybe 4?
 
@RoryAlsop I wasn't even born 3 weeks ago, maybe 4.
 
 
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6:20 PM
God damn it. I always end up displaying my web pages one half in French and the other half in English.
Living in a somewhat bilingual province makes things da lulz.
By displaying I mean I write stuff in both languages on the pages.
 
Try designing web pages that support both RTL and LTR languages
 
Sure. If the user selects another language than English, he will be redirected to English anyway.
And ladies and gentlemen, that's how you properly support languages.
 
@Simon Exactly
You give them hope by having a language selection menu
Hwahahahaha
 
:D
 
Speaking of small evil acts
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6:25 PM
LOL
 
 
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7:30 PM
0
Q: Is there any diet beer?

MarcoI want to drink beer because I feel stress of my life. However, I don't want to gain weight because I have been overweighted. Is there any diet beer in US?

 
@Xander I just lost the tiny amount of faith I had left in humanity.
 
@Simon I suspect that a good portion of the questions on beer.SE are wind-ups. The topic seems to be, from what I can tell, attractive to either the particularly clueless, or trolls. Or perhaps more likely, both.
 
Clueless trolls? That can't be good.
 
7:47 PM
The answer by Ryan is good, but on another tangent I might suggest that alcohol is likely not the best way to handle stress in your life. You might want to consider other life changes like exercise, or removing stressors first. — Xander 17 mins ago
Jesus @Xander you don't suggest to a guy that contemplates binge drinking on light beer to "remove stressors first"
 
@TildalWave One never knows. Have to suggest it, just in case.
:-)
 
@TildalWave I agree. First of all, this person should look back at the choices he made during his life that lead him to want to drink "light beer".
 
@Simon Is that "light beer" thing another name for what is more commonly known as "tap water" ?
 
or homeopathic beer
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@ThomasPornin That's exactly what it is, yes.
 
 
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9:27 PM
 
some suggested edit that is ... I didn't know what to reject it with
 
@TildalWave Yeah, wow.
 
Considering its contents we could as well reject it with "vandalism"
Someone thinks too highly of PHP on the grounds that he can't think of why something might be insecure
 
@TildalWave Ha ha, yeah, that was a particularly awesome recurring theme there.
 
including, re disabling functions ...
> apache_setenv: not sure why this would be an issue
really?
 
9:31 PM
Or the bits about "there are valid uses for this." Or "other functions are just as dangerous."
 
now I regret my choice of reject reason :(
 
@TildalWave I think it was fine. I thought about a couple of them before choosing the same one. I don't think it's really that big a deal...Even if it isn't the "best" reason, and I don't know that there's a compelling reason it isn't, it's still applicable. It's not like it's an incorrect reason.
 
@Xander Yeah but I could have written a custom one, maybe:
 
@TildalWave Ah yeah, true.
 
@TildalWave I want to reject with a comment "please let me know what PHP sites you have written so I can stay far FAR away"
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9:46 PM
blackhathangers.com?
 
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Q: Buffer overflow without using environment variables

Harish V KumaravelI was trying to overflow buffers and I was wondering , Is there anyway to do a buffer overflows without using environment variables ?

What?
 
@Xander Yeah ... I was just trying to make sense of it. No luck so far ...
 
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A: Buffer overflow without using environment variables

AJ HendersonYes, you normally overflow buffers without using environment variables. In fact, I'm not exactly sure how you would manage to overflow a buffer using only an environment variable.

I choose to take it entirely at face value
I suppose I am lying a bit since I can think of how you could use an environment variable for a buffer overflow, but that really is a "wtf made you think that" question
 
@AJHenderson On Windows, you change one of the environment variables to run %office_assistant% "buffer overflow".
 
ok, since someone actually upvoted that, I updated it to a slightly more real answer
rather than completely being a sarcastic and facetious jerk
 
9:54 PM
@Xander I know barely anything about security, but that's no reason at all. Rejecting a ban on shooting people in the face because you could still stab them in the face with the same result is a terrible reason.
 
@AJHenderson upvoters just took it at face value :)))
 
@Arperum no, a better parallel is that the fact that someone could shoot someone with a gun is no reason not to allow them on airplanes because someone could perfectly justifiably want to shoot a turkey on the plane
or perhaps a snake
 
shouldn't it be s/overflowed/overflown?
 
@TildalWave only if you are in a plane with snakes
and too many snakes to fit on the plane
 
I meant in your answer ... that you watched lots of crap movies, that we've already established
 
9:59 PM
@AJHenderson WHy the fuck would you want to shoot a turkey on a plane? (I do get your parallel, just curious as to the choice of target)
 
because it's a thanksgiving day?
 
@Arperum Why not? If you're going to shoot a turkey, why not shoot it on a plane? Seems as good a place as any to me. Certainly easier than chasing one for miles around the woods.
 
@Xander Why would you not just shoot it in a cage on the ground? costs way less fuel. Although I guess shooting a turkey in a plane adds something that shooting it on the ground can't give you (the chance for somehow breaking something critical and crashing to your death).
 
@Arperum Well, you have to travel to wherever you're going for Thanksgiving anyway. Might as well get hunting dinner out of the way at the same time.
 
@Arperum you wanted it to keep fresh so you shot it minutes before landing?
 
10:02 PM
@Arperum well Thanksgiving is in a couple weeks
 
some flight attendants might also help you pluck its feathers
 
EU doesn't do thanksgiving, And I suggest killing the turkey by means of a quick beheading, that way you don't have to eat bullets.
 
@Arperum it's more impressive if you shoot the turkey in flight
 
The plane overflowed = there were too many people in the plane.
The town was overflown = the plane flew over the town.
 
sometimes, beheading isn't enough to keep them from running away
 
10:04 PM
That said, I don't feel that the addition of a constant pepper prefix/suffix to the salt will harm the resulting hash digest in any way due to the Avalanche Effect of modern cryptographic hash functions. The answer you linked to makes some assumptions. — Lakey 2 mins ago
Apparently the avalanche effect means that it's ok to roll your own MAC construction. And that @ThomasPornin guy is full of crap.
 
@TildalWave It certainly isn't for a turkey. The buggers have the terrible habit of running after being beheaded.
 
@ThomasPornin Ah yes ... thanks. Past simple and past participle
 
@Arperum also, it seemed like a better idea than screaming three year old
 
@TildalWave In fact that is not the same verb. "Overflowed" for "to overflow", and "overflown" for "to overfly".
 
because when you are already crossing multiple conversations with one bad joke, why not throw in a dead baby
 
10:06 PM
@Arperum I think there was a case of a chicken that "lived" for IIRC nearly a year after they chopped its head off
 
in other news, I think I've spent a few too many hours trying to test code today and may or may not be going slightly more crazy than normal
 
@ThomasPornin yeah, I should stop using dictionary.com
 
@TildalWave A year sounds very impossible. after a minute or something they give up, the bloodloss starts to accumulate and no oxygen is being delivered anymore.
 
or, alternatively, learn to keep my mouth shut :)
 
@TildalWave Try www.merriam-webster.com
 
10:08 PM
@ThomasPornin They don't display all of it unless you register
 
@TildalWave but what's the fun in that?
 
@Xander I have commented.
 
@ThomasPornin Excellent. :-)
 
@Xander - which part of the answer were you commenting on? I see it's been edited a few times and I don't particularly feel like reading the whole thing
oh wait, found it
 
@AJHenderson The bit about how salting is pointless, and you need to salt and pepper.
 
10:19 PM
oh wow
"If you use only per-user salts (which are stored in the database), then if your database is hacked & downloaded, the hacker will have both the digests and the salts, which literally make the use of salts pointless." that got a downvote from me
that's a pretty critical misconception about salts
 
@AJHenderson Yeah, I haven't downvoted it yet, mainly because I hate downvoting answers on questions I've also answered because it feels slightly slimy....But he certainly doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
I don't downvote easily, but dangerously wrong gets downvotes
and that qualifies as dangerously wrong
@Xander well he knows just enough to be dangerous, but doesn't understand the actual reasons why things are done, what they are accomplishing and that security by obscurity = bad
 
@AJHenderson Yup.
 
Actually, I find this assumption here most disturbing:
Thomas, your answer makes the assumption that a hacker will have access to the entire harddrive, which could happen, but it's much more likely that the hacker will only have access to either the SQL server or the web server, which is why I specifically mentioned that best practice is to host them separately. Statistically, the most likely attack vector is the SQL database, so let's start there: Assume the hacker has downloaded all your hashed passwords and their associated salts. Those salts are meaningless at that point. That is why you need a 2nd salt known only by the web app. — Lakey 10 mins ago
 
@Xander well there is some hope for him. He did apparently acknowledge that he was wrong on saying they were worthless if the salt was known.
@TildalWave the basic premise is kind of sound, in that a SQL injection likely won't give immediate access to the file system, but it's still obscurity based security at that point
and still fails horrifyingly if the server itself is compromised
 
10:26 PM
@AJHenderson Yeah, I think more than anything he doesn't know a lot, and is trying to defend his answer best he can. We've had much worse.
 
@AJHenderson Statistically, the most likely attack vector is from within. It's just often not reported (gotta look good in front of shareholders, no?) or goes undetected for years.
 
@TildalWave true, but even a lot of internal attacks won't have file system access (hopefully)
but they may have code knowledge for easily finding SQL Injections
 
@AJHenderson Not on a system that's managed by someone that firmly believes otherwise
 
@TildalWave fair enough
at that point though, hashing is the least of your worries compared to someone just flat out compromising the salt to not function properly either or pulling passwords down directly
if there's no functional security internally, it's all a cluster
I guess my main point was just that seperating knowledge between the web server and the SQL server isn't a bad plan, it just also doesn't make hashes magically fix the problem of offline attacks on bad passwords
and it shouldn't be critical to your security
just icing on the cake
 
10:43 PM
agreed
 
I wish I had more room to talk to him about why a password isn't security by obscurity (or arguably it is, but it is reducing the requirement of obscurity to the least possible damage)
 
also, reviewing is hard ... I just read a few random good answers on the site that never popped up in review queue and realized how much time reviewing takes and mostly just leads you to the deep end of it
 
trying to cram that in to 100 characters I had left in my comment was... non-trivial
 
@AJHenderson LOL. I just had to delete 25 characters out of mine...And with that, I'm done with that thread.
 
You know, it's alright to invite other people to the DMZ every now and then. Just no fooling around late in the night and sneaking in your own room!
 
11:13 PM
Hmmm - that thread's gonna need a cleanup. Tomorrow, maybe.
 
@RoryAlsop Yes, it's turned into a bit of an unwieldy beast, unfortunately.
 
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THE DONUT BURGER
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