The DMZ

Rory Alsop

20:00

mine are much more impressive, obviously

badum-tish

Scott Pack

You know, @RoryAlsop, I always pegged you for a Centauri.

Rory Alsop

Cthulhu Fhtagn!

Graham Lee

Ïa! Ïa!

AviD

@RoryAlsop that was with an N, right....?

Rory Alsop

@GrahamLee ahh - feeling the love...or is that horror. I can't tell any more, this creeping fear blinds me ...

Graham Lee

20:04

@RoryAlsop roll for SAN

Argh! I can feel my storage area network escaping!</reallybadRPGs>

Scott Pack

/me really wants to play in a good Cthulu game sometime

Rory Alsop

I used to love that game

it's been a long time

maybe my kids will get into it soon

Scott Pack

They should all be old enough soon.

Incognito

I'm curious if I should CW a question.

AviD

well, better pop out, before the level here really deteriorates.

besides, I have a long day at the beach tomorrow.... :)

Incognito

20:06

Well, I can't CW, but it looks like a candidate for one.

AviD

@Incognito you're welcome to try...

@Incognito CW are currently persona non grata.

Graham Lee

@Incognito what's the Q?

Scott Pack

@AviD Questiona non grata?

AviD

that is, the current guidance from SEI is that they are to be used extremely sparingly.

Incognito

The answers to the question are more of a CW response than anything: security.stackexchange.com/questions/6424/…

AviD

20:07

@ScottPack yeah, I guess thats better

Incognito

Lots of answers are like "Oh I saw this," which is good CW, but not really an answer to the Q.

Rory Alsop

@AviD seeya later then

AviD

Stack Overflow Blog: The Future of Community Wiki

Posted by Grace Note on August 19th, 2011

When you mark a post community wiki on a Stack Exchange site, that means …

this post can be edited by anyone with 100 reputation

this post does not generate any reputation for anyone when upvoted or downvoted

The main advantage of community wiki — more editing — was nerfed when we introduced suggested edits. With suggested edits, anyone, even an anonymous user, can edit anything — so long as another experienced user reviews and approves their edit.

This leaves many wondering — what’s the point of Community Wiki? …

Rory Alsop

(trying to find my favourity jQuery zalgo meme from SO

AviD

@RoryAlsop gnite

Rory Alsop

20:08

oh - feel free to review my draft QOTW post anyone: security.blogoverflow.com/wp-admin/…

well, anyone with reviewer status

Graham Lee

@RoryAlsop I have a blogoverflow account, but am not allowed to edit the item :(

Rory Alsop

hang on - one moment to change its staus

Incognito

@AviD Hrmm. Maybe I should put a bounty out there for higher quality answers?

Rory Alsop

@GrahamLee - changed it to review. I had it in draft still:-)

@incognito A bounty is often a good idea. We haven't used it over much here, and as we are new, a bounty can help someone's rep significantly

worth a try

Graham Lee

yup, not allowed to review drafts :(

I say it looks great, post as-is!

Incognito

20:12

@RoryAlsop Sure, I'll toss out a bounty.

Rory Alsop

Cool - will schedule it for Firday. I have reviewed @JeffFerland's post as well and think it could publish today/tomorrow while BSides still current news

Graham Lee

@RoryAlsop you know not to trust my opinion that it's postworthy, right? I can't read it

Rory Alsop

ahh - sorry, thought you meant you had read it when I changed it to pending review

one quick revert coming up

ok it's in pending review @GrahamLee

Hey @JeffFerland

Jeff Ferland

I need help. I'm checking the site while I wait for the eye doc

Rory Alsop

Heh - I do it while commuting, waiting for the kettle to boil...etc

Graham Lee

20:17

@RoryAlsop Y U NO LET ME READ

Rory Alsop

@GrahamLee - should be readable, no? It's in Pending so that should be visible to all reviewers

Graham Lee

obviously I don't have reviewer rights

Rory Alsop

ahhhh - no, you are a contributor....gimme amo

Graham Lee

hah, that's a joke

Rory Alsop

and kapowieeeee - job done

now you be editor

@Incognito - wow ... a 500 rep bounty should gain interest. Will tweet this one as well.

Graham Lee

20:21

OK, now I've read it, I still think it's worth publishing

Rory Alsop

I did remove the legal tag, though, as that usually applies to the laws and regulations side of things

@GrahamLee haha - thanks

Incognito

@RoryAlsop Awesome. I hope it's a question that drags more talent into the community, it's part of what I was going for.

Rory Alsop

I am really interested, sadly I just don't know enough about that side of things

aking1012

@GrahamLee - on the overly general questions getting wiki-ed - i had already talked to ChrisF about that once on one of the other meta sites.

Graham Lee

I definitely think "don't get into a position where you need to send an email" is Rule 0

Rory Alsop

20:22

I did like @Graham's rocket science comment though

Graham Lee

:D

Rory Alsop

@GrahamLee absolutely - I can add that in now

Graham Lee

I'm here all week, try the veal

Rory Alsop

ahh - I see you are still in editing - will leave you to it:-)

@GrahamLee I've been chortling all day

Graham Lee

@RoryAlsop I'm not - must be some remnant state

I've closed the tab

Rory Alsop

20:24

ok

Heh - was looking at the blog stats. What do you think the 3 search terms used most today are?

Graham Lee

I had a friend shout at me (metaphorically) the other day for leaving chat in the "Graham is typing…" state, when indeed no such thing had occurred

Rory Alsop

security log should be 90 days
jeff ferland
are there still wolves among us?

that first one I understand, even the second one

but the wolves question?

Graham Lee

Rory Alsop

okaaaayy

Incognito

@GrahamLee I have a T-Shirt like that from IBM, only it's 3 Z/os mainframes howling at the moon.

Scott Pack

20:27

@RoryAlsop You want me to start generating some vaguely NSFW search referrers to fill up the logs?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack hahahaha - whatever is trending on twitter:-)

@Scott - did you see romanticallyapocalyptic.com when we were discussing comics? Or was it one of your ones originally

Graham Lee

I remember back in the early days of this millennium, discovering referral logs from Lycos with the query "UKUUG+porn" at ukuug.org

Scott Pack

That's not nearly as much a thing of beauty as I was hoping

Incognito

re-uploaded because it was bmp =/

Rory Alsop

Very nice

Scott Pack

20:29

@RoryAlsop That is not one of mine

Rory Alsop

►

Note NSFW

Incognito

I like to rock it out at the clubs. Chicks dig the z/os.

Rory Alsop

The Internet is for....

@Incognito I likes it

@ScottPack It's very good

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop I had a friend talking about some weird search hits on his blog. So I made up a really disturbing sexual search term and forged a bunch of GETs. The conversation later that night was much more amusing :)

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack excellent work

Graham Lee

20:31

@Incognito I would pay a small amount to own such a t-shirt.

Incognito

@GrahamLee The also sent me one that says "Mainframes do IT 24/7."

Rory Alsop

You just can't beat geek chat up lines:-)

Scott Pack

@Incognito From whence did these shirts come?

Incognito

facebook.com/MasterTheMainframe

Rory Alsop

I get people asking me what my black wristband signifies - I let them read it. Geeks get it, others just look blankly

(it does say Cthulhu Fhtagn on it:-)

That reminds me actually - I have a cool geeky toy I should proffer as a prize for something here...hmm, will have a think

Graham Lee

20:34

@RoryAlsop the Lowest-Rep Mod award?

Rory Alsop

this toy is too cool for that

aking1012

I think that goes to shog9

Incognito

@RoryAlsop I have an unopened "geek man" that's worthless to me. happyworker.com/geekman

Scott Pack

@aking1012 I'm fair positive he's an SEI employee, which makes him a site-wide mod by default.

aking1012

It would appear so

Rory Alsop

20:40

@Incognito that's pretty cool. I'm trying to find photos already online of this wee toy, so I don't need to unbox it and take pics

it is an essential tool for anyone who has any sort of telephone support role

@Incognito - tweeted your q

Incognito

@RoryAlsop I'm debating answering my own Q to set a higher water mark.

Rory Alsop

@JeffFerland - your follow up BSides post is scheduled now for tomorrow. @Scott - I bumped yours back a week as yours will be relevant all the time, whereas @Jeff's is quite time dependent

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop No worries

Rory Alsop

@Incognito worth doing if you already have a good answer. People will want to then beat yours to win the bounty

aking1012

@Incognito - you're referring to your satellite hacking bounty question? Just a note: You can get most of the hardware you need for free. Drive around rural areas and get the old stuff just for "removing it for free". That gets you a good amount of the gear. There's only a couple of pieces of hardware you need after that. Unfortunately, testing is a bit tough and I wouldn't want to be fuzzing satellites, specifically without knowing the owners...

Incognito

20:46

@RoryAlsop I actually asked it because, a long time ago on a site called HackThisSite there was a question a newb asked about such things, the more senior members trolled the guy. I posted a quality answer, but deleted it after I decided the staff were too busy bickering about what software to run the boards on, not the community. I decided they didn't deserve it.

It was neat, I took someone step-by-step how to look at different hardware, what's generally required, but I did have a lot of missing information. But I know a decent bit about it.

@aking1012 I'm in no way trying to actually do it :P. However, I feel it's a fun question and one that has a lot of room for growth.

And could become very important over the next decade or so as people find out what we all know: we can do it for cheap, and easy.

I'd rather have future comsat designers be able to google this, so some Iranian renegade doesn't start crashing things into cities thanks to the equivalent of mysql injections.

Rather than keep thinking it's safe because it's way up in the sky somewhere.

Graham Lee

@Incognito I think the solution there is to stop farming out your satellites to the lowest bidder.

Rory Alsop

@Incognito I think it has value here, as then people will be likely to look at the countermeasures required.

aking1012

@incognito - yeah. probably shouldn't be using securid for it either lolz - without reseeding anyway. Did you figure that the RSA hack that got all/most of the seeds was stage 1 of the Lockheed(or whatever aero company it was). Definitely. It was the same way with RFID for a while. If you programmed your own chip most of the reader applications were vuln to sql-inject like stuff

Rory Alsop

And as @GrahamLee says, to up the baseline security level

Incognito

Also, I hope it draws attention from other parts of the internet as a fun question that will bring more blood into the site.

Rory Alsop

20:56

Wish we could show the mod stats - you can spot what each popular question does to member numbers etc., and just how big a difference the xkcd question made:-)

aking1012

On Iranian renegade...it could just be a "mistake" when they try to admin their own network...like that BGP black-hole that DoS-ed a lot of big-name sites for a while...

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Has that looked like a sustained presence?

Incognito

I lurk here quite a bit, I just don't have many questions to promote activity.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack yep. The peak was immense, but the level it has dropped back down to is still well up on even the highest previous peaks

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Excellent!

Incognito

20:59

Alright everyone, I'm headed out. Take care.

Rory Alsop

well, there was a spike early July, but it was short

@Incognito seeya later

Scott Pack

Ta

Probably time for me as well. It is, after all, quitting time in the canonical time zone.

Rory Alsop

what the stats do show is continual increase, and then every time there is a spike, the rate of increase increases

@ScottPack and I do have a glass of wine now, and wife is back from the gym, so I may also leave and be social IRL

ttfn all

have a pleasant evening

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop That will be me in about 3 hours.

g'night

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack drinking wine with my wife?

dash it all, man

:-)

Scott Pack

21:01

Shit! Was that out loud?

Rory Alsop

LOL

later

Scott Pack

ta

this.josh

23:55

@ScottPack Err, thats not what I meant. Sorry, my nerual stackpointer most not be triggering for change in context.

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