The DMZ

Adnan

12:01

@Kisunminttu Mine as well now

Resembles your work in the scholary

Kisunminttu

@Adnan I do not understand

Adnan

@Kisunminttu I'm implying you're bad at cooking as well.

Which isn't true. Thus, busting your balls a bit.

Which you don't have

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Not a burn because it's true...

Adnan

In which case, I guess I'm just an asshole.

2

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Guess who's not getting marshmallow fudge when I make some

Adnan

12:04

@Kisunminttu You?

Because I'll steal all of them

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Yeah ._.

Terry Chia

@Kisunminttu It's precisely because it's true that there's a burn no?

Adnan

@TerryChia Just doesn't know what a burn is.

Probably that's why she doesn't know when to stop cooking chicken

Kisunminttu

@TerryChia Only if someone outs you on your "secret"

Adnan

BURRRN!

Kisunminttu

12:06

@Adnan Clever

Terry Chia

@Adnan Burnt chicken is such a waste. :(

@Kisunminttu I actually meant a literal burn.

Kisunminttu

@TerryChia This is too complicated for me now

Terry Chia

@Kisunminttu #burn

Kisunminttu

@TerryChia Well, not really

Adnan

Okay, let's all stop burning my girlfriend. She's cooked enough for today.

Of course, if she knew what "cooked enough" means, she'd probably ask you to stop way before now.

Terry Chia

12:10

@Adnan Hah!

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Tried Googling. Didn't find the answer.

@Adnan Thank you for providing water to burned area

kalina

12:28

@Kisunminttu O_O

Kisunminttu

@kalina Eh?

kalina

eh

Rory Alsop

eh?

Rоry McCune

heh?

Rory Alsop

2 hours ago, by Rоry McCune

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:-)

FEichinger

12:38

o.ô

Rоry McCune

12:48

huh interesting. Anyone else get a mail from someone asking "top stackexchange contributors" to complete a survey

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Yep.

Just got it.

Rоry McCune

I didn't realise my e-mail address was public from my profile

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Yeah.. that's not good.

Rоry McCune

actually looking at it I can't see your E-mail address

so how the heck did this guy get them?

@RoryAlsop @AviD hey mods, should random people be able to see users e-mail addresses in profiles?

I'm personally not that bothered my business e-mail is pretty public, but I could see some people not being happy if that's not meant to be public info...

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune nope. I'm just checking - I didn't get that email. I'm not a top contributor :-(

AviD

12:52

@RоryMcCune not really, no

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Only mods should be able to see them

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop I can forward on if you want the details....

Rory Alsop

and we have to click through, we don't get it in the clear on your profile pages

AviD

@RoryAlsop @RоryMcCune I didnt get it either.

Rory Alsop

but I did just get an email for a top Justgiving contributor survey.... hmmm

Rоry McCune

12:53

curiouser and curiouser...

AviD

could he have searched for you guys, e.g. on linkedin?

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune I always want to follow that up with, "...said Gromit"

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop now that's getting a bit co-incidental...

AviD

for those users with a full name.

Rоry McCune

gist.github.com/raesene/1c825f15b37b7f7f0c73

there's the text of the one I got, it also has a PDF attachment (which I'm sure as hell not opening :) )

Simon

12:54

I was supposed to pick up Carl.

AviD

@RоryMcCune oh but arent you curious??

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune It may be above board, but I'd just delete it on principle

Rоry McCune

@AviD potentially curious enough to get it in linux and run strings, but not to open in a mainline PDF viewer :)

@RoryAlsop oh yeah It'll get deleted, but just interested in whether it's spam or actually something malicious...

hey it'd be cool if I'm important enough to spear-phish

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune I highly doubt that's it since they sent it to me as well. :P

AviD

@RоryMcCune arggh. I'm trying to open up my Cx install for remote access. after struggling with it for a while I realize that my problem is I installed it on their internal mini-webserver, instead of on IIS/ASP.NET. I'm screwed.

Rоry McCune

12:58

@TerryChia hey come-on this is your chance to lord it over the mods who didn't get the mail!

although if this is spam harvested from Stack Exchange mail addresses, that would explain avoiding the mods....

@AviD d'oh

AviD

moral of the story: dont skimp on resources, if you use the mini-webserver that cannot serve remotely, you won't be able to access it remotely. Duh.

oh and no SSL either (yet, in this version).

Terry Chia

@AviD Is there a reason why reinstalling isn't an option?

AviD

so I'm back to RDPing in remotely, but I dont want to let somebody else RDP into my machine...

@TerryChia I SO dont want to risk messing it up, now that I have everything just so. Also I dont have that much time to futz around with it.

but I might decide to do that, anyway.

Terry Chia

@AviD Ahh. That actually sounds pretty dangerous to me. What happens if your system crashes? :P

AviD

then again, I could just run the scan, then export a report. that should be probably work well enough, and at a fraction of the time invested.

@TerryChia oh I do have backups of course.

Terry Chia

13:01

I'm slowly moving to automating all my VM installs.

AviD

but I dont want to take time (right now) to mess around.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia using ansible?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Yep. I'm also gonna write kickstart scripts once I get around to it.

I wanna be able to rebuild VMs in a single command.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia would be v.cool

AviD

@TerryChia I've actually started on that this week too. Slowly.

@TerryChia why dont you just have like a template to reuse?

Terry Chia

13:04

@AviD Well, yeah. That's the plan.

It's boring work though, so I'm procrastinating as usual.

Rоry McCune

@AviD you thinking of a template machine? Problem I see with that is that it gets out of date, so it would be cooler, to have something that builds the machine and then has a pre-determined set of packages to install and configure to put it in the desired state

AviD

@RоryMcCune true, it does get out of date. not always a big deal, but yeah...

Terry Chia

To start of I'm just going to automate the base. Setting up the sudo stuff, installing the base packages and configuring my shell/git whatever.

AviD

I do update the template every once in a while, e.g. when 8.1 came out...

Terry Chia

I'm fully Linux so doing it with ansible is pretty simple.

Rоry McCune

13:07

@AviD with windows you could prob. use chocolatey/nuget to automate a lot of it...

AviD

@RоryMcCune true, but as of right now I dont need it that often.

and if I would, I would really need to get a bigger disk first.

ooh, and more memory. I'm limited to running 3-4 machines at a time now (well the heavier ones, like Cx).

Rоry McCune

@AviD in an ideal world I want to do it for each test, so that you have a clean build for each piece of work, nice for keeping data for different customers separate..

AviD

@RоryMcCune true true.

for that you can use Visual Studio's Test Lab Management.

havent run it much, but from looking into it it looks pretty darn awesome for that.

Simon

You're pretty darn awesome.

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AviD

I used an internal pre-pre-version when I was at MS, and it was pretty awesome - you just pop in the layout of machines you need (e.g. AD DC, 2xFW cluster, 3 web servers, distrubuted Sharepoint, and Exchange), and it sets it all up, and pings you when its up and ready to go.

then you would just RDP into the base machine, which would have access to all lab machines.

Terry Chia

13:11

@AviD Isn't your memory maxed out for a single machine?

AviD

@TerryChia Hyper-V supports dynamic memory.

Terry Chia

You will need to get Xeons if you want more RAM.

AviD

so it is re-allocated on the fly as the VMs demand.

Simon

vSphere 4 lyf3

AviD

@TerryChia ahh you meant physical?

Terry Chia

13:12

@AviD No, as in your physical RAM.

Yup.

AviD

no I have support up to 32GB. I only have half that now.

Terry Chia

Oh, you aren't at 4x8GB yet?

AviD

nah, only 2. is what I was saying, I need to add another 2.

didnt think I would max out so fast...!

Terry Chia

Hehe. Yeah, should be a relatively cheap upgrade.

I'm at 4x4GB so upgrading will be a little more expensive. :(

AviD

I think its about 150 USD for good quality modules.

actually Im guessing, I should take time to look into that.

Scott Pack

13:15

@AviD For 4x8?

Terry Chia

@AviD Not bad since your workload is memory constrained.

AviD

@ScottPack 2x8

Scott Pack

Ah, yeah, that's the prices I've been seeing too.

AviD

@TerryChia true, though I have run into CPU constraints believe it or not

when I have more than one scanner running and some movies and....

Simon

"movies"

Terry Chia

13:16

@AviD Woah. I have not encountered any workload that my CPU struggles with yet.

It's mostly IO bound for the stuff I do.

AviD

Checkmarx likes to get intimate with the CPU.

Terry Chia

Even compiling big C projects is mostly IO bound.

AviD

@TerryChia yes, but I use a lot of Javascript apps ;-)

Terry Chia

@AviD Hehe.

Go write a Javascript interpreter kernel module. ;)

Scott Pack

Javascript is the CPU killer.

It's better than it used to be but this gorram chat room would often spool several processors up to 100%.

Simon

13:19

Just bash on everything I like. JUST DO IT.

Terry Chia

@Simon I prefer zsh.

Scott Pack

Of course you do.

Not tsch?

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Is that good?

Scott Pack

It's not bash, so...not worth my time.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia No.

Scott Pack

13:20

abitus

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin The Bear has spoken.

Thomas Pornin

tcsh is just "not as bad as csh"

AviD

@TerryChia @ScottPack Powershell FTW.

Terry Chia

@AviD Yeah, but that would mean using Windows

Simon

^

Terry Chia

13:21

let the OS debate start again

AviD

@Simon true, another benefit right there.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD I have used PowerShell, and I am unconvinced.

Simon

There's no debate when it's about Windows.

Thomas Pornin

Good ideas, much better than cmd.exe, but not exactly good.

Terry Chia

After we get done with OS X vs Linux vs Windows, let's move on to vim vs emacs.

Scott Pack

13:22

@AviD Powershell has some nice features, and I really dig the dynamic way it processes return values, but I haven't had to deal with it enough to really grock the structure.

@TerryChia How is that even a discussion?

Terry Chia

@ScottPack I dunno, there are some nasty emacs fanatics out there.

Scott Pack

@TerryChia Stallman uses emacs. That should be sufficient motivation against.

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Terry Chia

@ScottPack Hahaha!

kalina

@TerryChia no need, Windows 8.1 is the best operating system ever </discussion>

Terry Chia

@kalina No.

kalina

13:24

yes

AviD

@kalina s/ever/yet/

kalina

@AviD I concede to your suggestion

pico is the only text editor you need

Simon

s/s/ever/yet//s/ever/EVA

#yolo

kalina

how adorable

why hasn't he been kicked yet

@AviD

Terry Chia

@Simon Please go read a book on regex.

kalina

13:26

seriously, you only have ONE thing to do with your life, at least do it

@AviD the Simon kicker

Simon

@TerryChia I just replaced his regex by my regex so how about you go read a turtle?

kalina

@Simon you didn't escape

Terry Chia

@kalina @AviD has joined the dark side. :(

Simon

@kalina I know, hence the yolo.

Terry Chia

And so has @RoryAlsop.

We need new mods.

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kalina

13:27

@TerryChia are you saying that @AviD is a yoloer?

Simon

@kalina He's actually the yolo lord.

Terry Chia

@kalina Yes. :(

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Most of the state management in the Shang dynasty (circa 1700 - 1500 BC) was, indeed, about "reading turtles".

kalina

@TerryChia vote me in as a moderator and I will send each of you cake

Terry Chia

@kalina Sounds good.

Xander

13:29

@kalina What kind of cake? I don't want to vote for you if it's going to be crummy cake.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Which means that I'm not too insane if some people before me have done it.

kalina

@Xander it will be the most delicious and moist cake you've ever experienced

the cake based equivalent of multiple orgasms

literally the best cake EVER.

Simon

fatso

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Yeah, but they are all dead now.

kalina

@Simon psh, I'm literally a third of the person you are.

Xander

13:31

@kalina Can I have pie instead? I prefer pie. A nice apple pie, for instance.

Simon

@ThomasPornin People with great ideas always end up dead.

kalina

@Xander I can issue you the most delicious and moist apple pie you've ever encountered if that is your wish

Simon

@kalina Are you GNOME 3?

Xander

@kalina Yay! Count me in.

kalina

@Simon ...

Rory Alsop

13:37

@kalina It isn't as good as 7, but better than Vista

Simon

Vista was hell on earth.

Rory Alsop

@Xander mmmm, pie

Simon

I think it's time for elections. I suggest @AviD for mod.

Adnan

@Simon I'd actually like to see @kaliana as a mod

Simon

@Adnan Do you like your balls, @Adnan? Do you? Would you like to make sure that they don't get cut off?

FEichinger

13:44

@kalina would actually make a pretty good mod.

And I'm not saying that because she's threatening me.

Totally not.

Terry Chia

@FEichinger We believe you.

Adnan

@FEichinger We know

non-sarcastically believe you.

Rоry McCune

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@adnan that sounds really believable :op

Adnan

@RоryMcCune No no, we actually do know he's not saying that because she's threatening him.

Rоry McCune

@Adnan ok that's true

Adnan

13:48

@Kisunminttu So much burana in my system!

AviD

@Adnan TWSS

AJ Henderson

@RoryAlsop I wouldn't go that far

better than XP perhaps

but it depends what you ran Vista on

on a low end system, Vista was bad

on a good system, Vista was actually a pretty nice upgrade

I was quite happy with it on my desktop

kalina

@RoryAlsop 8.1 > 7, sorry

Simon

^ she's MENTAL

Xander

@RoryAlsop I disagree. Windows 8 is better than 7 in every way, except for the lack of a functional start button and the whole stupid "metro UI" paradigm.

Rоry McCune

13:57

@Simon actually not in this case, once you get past the metro interface 8.1 is definitively better than 7

Simon

@RоryMcCune One does not simply get past the metro UI.

Rory Alsop

@Adnan I ant to see how many spellings of her name you can come up with

AviD

dont know whey everybody is hating on MUI. It is very awesome, for some usecases.

Rоry McCune

@Simon Rly. I start to desktop and launch programs by "press windows key and type" which works pretty well

apart from that I never see it

Rory Alsop

@AviD Those use cases do not exist in my world

Rоry McCune

13:59

and on tablets it's nice

AviD

typical powerusers, like those here, usually need the full desktop, sure.

for most of my family - so much better.

Rory Alsop

(I still like the 5250 or 3270 screens.....)

AviD

except for those who are too resistant to any change.

Terry Chia

@AviD It's just stupid on a large screen though.

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