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14:00
yolo
It's not automatic, ffs. Just run it.
@tombull89 Not really. Set your standards to an objective estimation of yourself -> You'll get laid and even get a girlfriend.
@AviD I blame you for this :op
hahahahahahahahaha
The kick doesn't work because Manish's script doesn't work anymore for some reason and there's no way I can figure out how to do it 'cause I'm not a mod.
14:00
riiiight, right. I'm going to run somebody else's script. Shure shure.
@AviD Hey, it's open source. ;)
@AviD why not, most of the security professionals here have told me to adopt a default permit strategy to life, maybe you should take the advice of your peers
It works so well, I'm sad that you won't run it.
Except that if you click "kick", it won't kick.
LULZ
@kalina We probably have very different ideas what "security professional" means.
But it detects my yoloing flawlessly.
14:02
@kalina I actually also believe in trusting people - but only after they earn it.
Every 5 seconds.
seeing a face helps.
@TerryChia the rories
@AviD fuck trusting people, people are scum
WAT
somethings wrong
14:03
I'm sad that nobody will run it :(
@kalina Hmm? Which Rory? One of them is a HR manager.
see, I knew I shouldnt run other peoples' scripts.
@kalina fine, people are scum - but some persons are not.
@AviD shame for those people
@TerryChia Please run itttttttttttt.
@Simon #no #stfu #gtfo #simon
14:04
#ihateyou #yolo
@Simon Will it do anything with the "Manish needs to fix this part" bit commented out?
SEE IT DETECTED THE YOLO
@Xander It will alter the HTML, that's all.
@Simon Hmm.
I see.
To display the option to kick/ignore the yolo
@AviD STOP BEING A DONUT.
sorry what?
I heard donuts, so I was pinged.
dammit, I need to go to US to get some good donuts.
14:06
@AviD Are you a fat cop from USA?
@kalina interesting interpretation. FTR @TerryChia I suggested that when people said something that could be taken two ways and one of them didn't make her angry @kalina tried taking that one on board
not what I'd call default permit
By the way, you need to copy/paste in the console what's between the <script> tags
@TerryChia oh I would be. I would be so frikkin fat.
On this page
@kalina :-) but I am an optimistic, unjaded, mostly uncynical security professional
14:06
@Simon I think we know how to run JS code.
@RoryAlsop there is no such thing as an uncynical security professional
@RoryAlsop that is extremely rare.
@TerryChia Apparently not because YOU DIDN'T RUN IT YOU DONUT.
@kalina I get paid. And I'm not really an HR manager. And I am at least 79% uncynical
@Simon I know how to run code. It doesn't mean I will run your code.
14:07
@AviD others use the phrase "special"
@AviD Inspired by an experiment I found on some blog, I set up my own fake OkCupid. Found a stock picture looked like something form a shaving machine ad, and filled the profile info with some random info. The amount of women (and men) who initiated conversations with me was unbelievable!
@TerryChia You're afraid of its efficiency.
@RoryAlsop I'm sorry, the words you are saying are not compatible with each other
@AviD Message after message, I kept sending the most perverted, rude, and creepy messages I can think of, and probably around 90% of the women seemed not to mind.. at all! And that came from college-educated women with good careers. Almost nobody seemed to mind, and they still agreed to meet me.
@AviD I've had more than 500 of those conversations.
@AviD He probably got over his cynicism some time around the middle ages.
14:08
@Adnan this feels like you're copying and pasting something from some dodgy website
@Adnan yeah, I've seen blogs about that.
I think it was on Cracked....
@AviD Yup, I think that's where I first saw it.
but you're missing the main point: your sample set are by definition self-selected. by virtue of the fact that they are messaging you on OKCupid.
You're a virtue.
it's like going to a KKK meeting, doing some research, and concluding that 97% of all white men are racist.
14:10
@AviD Are you kidding me? That's like saying "Well, you sample is shit because you contacted Facebook users"
The only thing you've really proven, is that you're ugly.
and... we knew that already
lulz
@kalina Oh no.. my feelings.. they're hurt..
I doubt that
@Adnan if your research is related to social networking, and purports to cover everyone, then yes.
14:11
You have the emotional range of an amoeba
@Adnan It's ok, yesterday she told me to get infected and die.
if you do your research on Facebook, you are going to get Facebook users 97% of the time.
@Simon and yet you're still here
That's offensive...to the amoeba.
@kalina he said "average looking".
14:12
@AviD and if I do it on OkCupid, I'll get OkCupid users 100% of the time. So?
@kalina A- I can selectively chose to have some or none. B- I know I'm not.
@Adnan SO trying to draw conclusions from that to normal people is a mistake.
@AviD Dude! Normal people do use Facebook and OkCupid!
Oh wow.
No, Adnan
Not all normal people, of course.
@Adnan okay, let me explain.
14:13
What the hell is OkCupid?
The kind of people who would respond are already a particular subset of everybody
@AviD Oh, please.
Therefore any conclusion you reach its only valid for that subset
if you ask on Facebook "how many of you use a social networking site?", you're going to conclude that EVERYBODY does.
Yet you're not acknowledging the fact
14:14
@Adnan How do you know that these "women" were not another Adnan doing a similarly weird experiment ?
Two Adnans?
FML
@kalina So, if a scientist asks people to volunteer for a research then any conclusion drawn from the experiments are only valid for the subset of people who respond to research ads?
Are you fucking kidding me?!
and if you look around OkCupid, you're going to conclude that everyone is sad, desperate, horny, and willing to put up with infinite crap just so they woooont haaaave to be ALOOOONNEE anymooooorrreeee!
A useless argument is happening right now in The DMZ? It can't be!
@AviD You just described @Simon.
14:16
@kalina christ, @Adnan, when even @kalina has to explain basic logic to you, you know you're screwed ;-)
@AviD Umm... no. If I send those messages, I won't get the same reaction.
1 min ago, by Adnan
@kalina So, if a scientist asks people to volunteer for a research then any conclusion drawn from the experiments are only valid for the subset of people who respond to research ads?
@Adnan YES OF COURSE
@AviD :O
@TerryChia AND FOR ONCE, I CODED SOMETHING WHICH IS RELATED TO THIS CHAT AND NO ONE WILL EXECUTE IT.
this is a major complaint against most university social research, that it only applies to desperate uni students
14:17
SO I WILL CONTINUE TO TYPE IN CAPS AND ANNOY THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYONE.
@Adnan yes, even if they try and pass it off as otherwise
@Adnan I hadn't heard of OKCupid
EXAMPLE: IF YOU POLL PEOPLE IN A STEAK HOUSE ON THEIR OPINION OF QUORN, YOUR DATA IS FUCKING POINTLESS.
Now that we've finished teaching Adnan the basics of statistics
Can we move on to something interesting
@kalina But OkCupid and Facebook aren't a fucking steak house!
@Simon reeeeally ?
14:17
Oh my god!
@Simon This is a (i think it still is?) infosec chatroom. No one will execute your code in here.
@Adnan ... To be fair, they kinda are.
@Adnan OkCupid is
@Adnan OkCupid is in the business of advertising flesh and meat, though.
I mean, just gotta map "desperate for sex" to "desperate for meat" to "desperate for a steak" ... Yeh, definitely.
14:18
I am kind of enjoying watching the Simple Simon disc popping dropping down the screen, then reappearing. Over and over again
@Kalina @AviD So you're telling me when scientists develop medications after trials on volunteers, then those medications are only suitable for the subset of the human population who respond to research ads?!
@TerryChia Ffs, it's like 50 lines of code. A quick eye glance and you'll see that it's safe, come on.
@Adnan But by the very fact people respond to you on OKCupid, you're already limiting your subset to a group of individuals who're extroverts, willing to appear on an internet dating site, etc
@RoryAlsop hahaha! i wish I was a mod so I can kick him as well.
You people are insane!
14:19
@RoryAlsop Please no.
@Adnan How fucking dense are you?
@TerryChia oh - is it not a script? :-)
@Adnan no, because thats medical, and is not affected by personal choice.
@FEichinger A bit less than depleted uranium
@RoryAlsop It's more satisfying to do it manually the first fifty or so times I'd wager.
14:19
@Adnan they increase their sample size to incorporate as many of the variables as possible, but yes, there are many MANY reported cases of people having an allergic reaction to medication
on the other hand - if the experiments are only on volunteers from a bar - alcohol might skew the results, yes.
I can't believe we're actually discussing this
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@kalina thats a much nicer way to put it than I did.
@Adnan Trial tests for medications are established along a defined scientific protocol, among which subject selection is a big matter. You indeed want to have a panel that is representative of the target demographics.
14:20
I can't believe you're afraid of MY code.
Time to change the topic: Oi, @FEichinger, stop writing PHP.
E.g. if you want to test a medication against rheumatism, you don't take teenagers.
@TerryChia I HAVEN'T EVEN WRITTEN PHP IN ... two days.
@FEichinger That's not nearly long enough.
@FEichinger that like one of those alcohol abstinence things then...
14:21
@ThomasPornin @Adnan I'll explain the connection: you are living your whole life (sic) in an old age home. You dont even realize there ARE teenagers.
and no, I dont mean you personally.
just trying to stretch the analogy past the point of all reason.
@RоryMcCune Oh my god. There's an idea.
@RоryMcCune Is there a ten step program to quit?
@FEichinger PHP Anonymous?
@AviD Yep.
@FEichinger well for alcohol it's "clean and serene" so for PHP it could be "clean and sane"
14:23
Actually, @FEichinger I'll bet you stop drinking so much if you quit writing PHP.
@ThomasPornin But how does making a social experiment on Facebook users skew the results?! Facebook has almost half a billion users!
I think we annoyed @Adnan too much.
@AviD Actually, no. When I'm wrong, I like to be corrected.
@Adnan because they are self-selected to be Facebook users.
just not by me
14:24
You know you lost an argument when @ThomasPornin disagrees with you.
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and anything you conclude based on that half-billion, likely does not apply to the other 5.5 billion.
IF it has anything to do with being a FB user, of course.
@AviD even then, the choice to not be a Facebook user clearly separates the two groups
@AviD But the questions in the experiments aren't "Are you a Facebook user?". In that case, you're right! Because you'll get that 100% of FB users are FB users, thus 100% of humanity are Facebook users.. which is false.
It would not be unreasonable to believe that is not the only major difference between the two groups
@Adnan well, I went with 97% - margin of error.
14:25
Maybe those people aren't interested in technology
suddenly it doesn't just invalidate all social networking correlations and expands to the entire technology industry
@AviD See, I agree with you that if the experiment was like that, then you're right.
@Adnan but the question IS correlated with being a FB user.
@kalina Or they are and that's exactly why they are or are not on FB.
"Do you have regular electricity and access to plumbing?"
Oh my god... Here's the answer: the chicken actually never crossed the road. And we're done, everybody's ready to move on now?
14:27
--> EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS COMFORTABLE.
@Simon Adnan can't grasp that he's wrong
his mind is thinking of the small picture and gets the small picture correct at the expense of ever noticing there is a bigger picture to look at
@Simon oo, there's chicken? maybe some marinade?
@kalina sigh
@AviD Om nom nom.
@Adnan I hate you for making me on the same side as @kalina.
14:28
@AviD But my experiment isn't something that can be largely skewed by the fact that you use Facebook!
Having access to electricity is clearly skewed
@AviD Wut? You are on the same side as @kalina every single day.
@Adnan of course it is!
@Adnan Wasn't your experiment related to social desperation?
'cause that sure as hell correlates with FB.
You hate PHP developers, she hates PHP developers.
Inherently.
14:29
@Adnan Quantity does not make representativeness until you reach majority. Weren't we talking about OkCupid by the way (not Facebook) ?
"Are you willing to put up with stupid crap in the hope of finding someone to be with / cuddle with / rub your floppy parts with?"
--> IF YOU ARE ON OKCUPID THE ANSWER IS YES
@ThomasPornin Oh, true. Somebody mentioned Facebook and I derailed
only question is how much stupid crap.
@FEichinger had nothing to do with FB, that was an example... but yeah, same can be said about OkCupid.
@AviD Actually, the only question (which I wanted to answer by the experiment) is about the source of said crap.
@AviD More so, I'd argue.
14:30
@AviD I actually have an okcupid account because they had a bug bounty program. Then I realized they were too cheap to pay so I stopped looking.
@TerryChia Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
@TerryChia maybe they pay in product.
@TerryChia I never heard that they actually paid bug reporters. They're assholes in that regard
Only recognition, no $$.
@AviD Heh, how would that work?
@TerryChia Assholes
14:32
@TerryChia I wouldnt know, I'm happily married.
Couldnt they just send some of the women direct to your house?
Or men, I'm not judging.
@AviD I don't think that's how okcupid works. ;)
51 secs ago, by AviD
@TerryChia I wouldnt know, I'm happily married.
But hey, let's ask @Adnan. He obviously has more experience with the service. :P
Alright, I guess I was indeed not entirely correct. Being on OkCupid might correlate with being slightly more desperate than the general population, which means that you're more likely to tolerate certain behaviour. In my case, that clearly skews the result of my experiment.
Thanks @Kalina and @AviD
@TerryChia why wouldn't he be on my side, I'm awesome
14:35
@Adnan yay! One less person on the Internet being wrong!
and let it never be said again that @Adnan does not acknowledge his mistakes.
@AviD he has no choice in this instance, your sample size is inadequate to make a conclusive statement
Especially thanks to @Kalina. She was the only one who actually didn't assume I didn't understand what correlation means, and instead she focused on showing me where the correlation actually is.
@TerryChia yes yes, that was the reference of course
Unlike @AviD and @FEichinger
14:36
@AviD I know. It had to be linked though.
@kalina hahaha, lets start this all over again.
@Adnan Was @FEichinger even in that conversation?
@Adnan aaaaand it is well known that many "meet forums" use fake women (either bots, or cheap male labour) to help reach a closer to 1 apparent sex ratio. It is possible that a substantial proportions of the women with which you conversed really were some pour guy in Bangalore.
@Kalina I'm actually quite impressed that you knew what I was missing and tried to help.
a single counter example is enough to disprove a theory, absent reasonable explanation for exception.
14:37
@Adnan and to repay my kindness you have another go at flipping me onto your side with a kind compliment that's obviously powered by an ulterior motive
@Adnan heeey thats what I kept saying!
@AviD Nope, sorry, AviD. Your argument was based on showing me that certain correlations can skew the results (which I understood), but you failed to highlight the actual correlation. Nevertheless, thanks for the good intentions of helping me understand.
heh, whatev
@kalina God damn it! Did you have to say "flipping me"? Ewww
10 mins ago, by AviD
"Are you willing to put up with stupid crap in the hope of finding someone to be with / cuddle with / rub your floppy parts with?"
dammit, why do you always get me to argue with you!
14:40
@AviD Yup, finally after lines and lines of the same unhelpful argument.
@AviD Because internet?
@AviD Because we shared kisses once
whatevs maaan
wat
@ThomasPornin Interesting... never knew that
14:42
@ThomasPornin That is one of the worst jobs I can possibly imagine.
@Xander some people enjoy that
Chatting to deprived little boys on the internet? Sounds like Stack Exchange...
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@Adnan Your wish is my command
@kalina I'd have starred that if it was in the same line
@AviD Sure, until they have to put it on a resume, or a loan application. Job: "Pretending to be a lady"
@kalina Careful with that
14:47
@Xander I'm sorry, I can't abide by your misuse of the word "lady"
@Adnan I don't need to be, you're not man enough to dominate me
@kalina I'm surprised you would want to be dominated.
@kalina C'mon. You know that would look funnier on a loan application than any of the alternatives.
@kalina Why would I want to dominate you?
@Xander and better than many other popular jobs.
@AviD I am not going into further detail with you people
14:48
@kalina Doesn't that imply having the slightest attraction for you?
@Adnan no
Ewuguuughh
uuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhh
Almost threw up my subway after that thought
oo subway. yumm. miss that.
"I just puked up my subway" "ooo subway... yum"
That is all.
@kalina See, we're both quite lucky I went with the humours reply.
14:50
@kalina I have selective reading comprehension.
@Adnan In the early 1980s France deployed home terminals known as Minitel. It turned out that people did not use it for "serious" administrative purposes, but chat services were very succesful
Among "interesting" facts gathered at that time was that men were a lot more "chatty" than women, when it came to "online meeting with strangers"
Elisa-like bots were developed at that time; some were quite good at fooling male users.
@ThomasPornin inb4 @kalina's comment about how it's easy to fool male users with anything
Nothing to add
Oh my god!!! What have I done?!
What's happening to me?!
Did I just..? Did I...
@ThomasPornin The motivation to get laid always messes the males' actions.
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14:54
@Simon possibly the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you say
@Simon In many cases, I've seen it mess with female behaviour too.
@Adnan also true
@Adnan Sure but usually men are way less subtle. Hanging out 15 mins in a club is more than enough to see this.
@Simon Where's @AviD and his comments about how your sample is skewing your results?
lawl
14:57
@Adnan it is anecdotal, sure, but I dont see a direct constraining correlation.
@Simon But, seriously, it's less common with females, but much more sever.
@Adnan You think so?
@AviD Guys who go to clubs are already more prone to have their actions affected by their desire to get laid. Plus, alcohol.
@Simon Oh yes. On multiple occasions I've had the misfortune/fortune to observe that firsthand.
Well, in most cases, dudes go to clubs TO get laid.
From what you've seen, at least.
@Simon girls can be equally one track minded but its usually provoked by the desire to fuck with the status quo
like stealing one of your friends' boyfriends
14:59
@Simon Girls too.
@kalina dayum, that's harsh.
@Adnan actually, I go to clubs to dance
just sayin'
@Adnan Well, I guess so too.
getting laid with somebody from a club is just asking for AIDS
@kalina Oh.. I hear that as often as I hear "I'm not like other girls".
@kalina 1000x yes. I completely agree with that.
15:01
Let's not generalize but yeah, it does sound like that.
@Adnan I know this is an attempt to provoke me, but any guy approaching me in a club is literally wasting his time, I would rather lick used needles than go with a guy I met in a club
and thus my presence in said environment is strictly to dance
@kalina Dancing can happen at home as well.
@kalina I married a girl I met in a club...
wrong environment
@kalina Turning a person down just because you met him at X place seems like a drastic action.
@RoryAlsop I met my gf at a music show.
15:02
dancing in a club is accompanied by the immersion from the loud music
@Simon it's not your life, what gives you the right to question the way I do things?
I consider myself being a "normal" person and I do go to clubs/music shows from times to times, does it mean that I can't meet someone else who's "normal" too?
@kalina He has every right to give his opinion on your actions and anything else in the universe.
@Adnan and "I just read it for the articles"
@AviD Yup.
@kalina Jeeze...
15:03
@kalina correct, but it does restrict your choices. At least at a club you'll probably meet people who like the same music as you.
@RoryAlsop Voilà.
@Simon yeah - even string quartet fans
:-)
@RoryAlsop Which is almost always the same kind of music, at least these days.
In every fucking club
@RoryAlsop lmao
@Adnan not the clubs I go to
because I dislike the music you get in clubs these days
15:04
@RoryAlsop I guess it's different in Finland
Maan, last time I've been to a club was with @kisu about 6 months ago
I like a club that plays good rock/blues/metal
and luckily SWMBO likes not only her Zumba stuff but also the rock and metal
remember when we used to not have so much drama and personality exhibitionism? Sooo long ago...
@Adnan this opinion is naive, it's like saying all art is identical because brushes were used
@AviD yarrrrrr
the good old days
okay, ontopic question - DDWRT users, how the hell do you configure a cert for TLS?
15:07
@AviD I could tell you but I've given you three good answers in a row and it's somebody else's turn
@AviD That's not on topic. That's SU.
@TerryChia lol
You are a mod. You should know better.
@TerryChia wait, its leading up to it.
@AviD OFF TOPIC. MIGRATE.
15:08
hehe
Is it fair to say that the main difference between encryption and hashing is that one is reversible while the other isn't? (This is targeted at people without any crypto knowledge.)
Though it does not seem to answer right now...
@TerryChia encrypt-tag yolo makes no sense, but hash-tag yolo does, according to @Simon
dang, thanks! I'd looked, but didnt find that...
@RoryAlsop ...
15:14
@RoryAlsop yoho
Please don't degrade to @AviD's standards.
lmao
@TerryChia completely inaccurate and mathematically wrong, but still fair.
thanks again!
15:15
One yoloing mod is enough. We don't need two.
That's how the modern programmers do documentation: they don't. They let users discuss their reverse-engineering in forums and blog posts.
@TerryChia I don't even know how to spell it
@RoryAlsop spell what?
yolo
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dammit
caught
WEE WOO WEE WOO IT'S THE YOLO POLICE
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@RoryAlsop Sir, it appears that you have yolo'd without the hashtag in a context where it would have been appropriate. I will let you go this time but please be careful next time.
15:22
@Simon hahahahaha
nice
15:37
OH HAI
interesting star wall again :)
g'day gents, ladies
@TerryChia Oh god no. Pure C. There may be a small amount of inline asm though.
@DavidFreitag Ahh. Shouldn't be that difficult then?
I'd offer to help but microcontroller stuff is a little beyond me. :)
@TerryChia Well the problem is that I've never worked with the SAM uC's, so it will mean countless hours of reading a two thousand page document about configuration registers
@DavidFreitag There isn't a compiler you can use?
Or is the code microcontroller specific?
15:45
@TerryChia Yeah but a compiler won't help me for this. The way you configure the pin mux is chip specific
it has to be if there is inline nasm
@DavidFreitag I see.
For example, any one given pin can be SPI, I2C, CAN, USB... and there are configuration registers that set the function of what you want
So it's not only architecture specific (which should be easy), but chip specific as well.
@M'vy hello
15:46
Then you have to set baud rate, enable the peripheral clocks setup the internal power
@TildalWave hello
@DavidFreitag hello
(Sane members of the DMZ have returned)
@RoryAlsop I'm offended.
Me too, I always say clever stuff.
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@TerryChia Yep. The addresses are usually different, but the compiler sometimes #define's them for an architecture so one library will work for all, say, ATMega chips.
@RoryAlsop Allo!
hehehe @Terry you've already been here ;)
15:47
@DavidFreitag Man, you're ready for a trip in Montreal.
You're perfectly bilingual.
@Simon Good eye mate.
@RoryAlsop Welcome back!
@DavidFreitag "Sorry, eh"
@TerryChia "Soorey, eh"
The good news is that with a beffy-er uI might be able to port a TLS library for use with the ATSHA402A
@DavidFreitag That shouldn't need much porting though if it's ARM.
15:50
As well as perhaps some filesystem encryption.
@TerryChia The code will likely be in C. Hopefully I can just plop the library in and make some calls.
@DavidFreitag Yep, just compile OpenSSL or NSS for ARM.
@TerryChia Nah, I don't even need to do that. I can import the whole library into Atmel Studio (which is just Visual Studio with a face lift) and use it there.
@DavidFreitag Ahh, I see.
The cool thing about the new board is the onboard EEPROM storage. You can save all kinds of stuff there, like MAC/IP information.
I suppose you could also stick your private key there as well. The footprint is standard and DigiKey as parts that go up to 8KB

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